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post #41 of 449
2/15/10 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by jpmuk View Post

First off, I can't stand Microsoft and their demise can't come quickly enough for me.

Unfortunately though, I really like this.

I don't understand why Apple has resisted grouping activities on the iPhone user interface. I'm sick of searching through pages and pages for apps (and Spotlight searching is slow and cumbersome).

I hope that the 4.0 upgrade really is an A+ effort and completely overhauls what's now looking like a tired interface, one that was a fantastic (mindblowing) first effort, but needs to adapt to the changing role of the device.

MS has had the advantage of starting from scratch and addressing issues that probably were not on the Apple radar 4 years ago (countless apps for one). Apple needs to, and I'm sure will, do the same.

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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

I'm pleasantly surprised. It's a refreshing change of direction if nothing else. For too long Microsoft has based its smartphone strategy around enterprise. It's little wonder that their marketshare has dwindled.

Of course, it's hard to judge a mobile OS by a handful of screenshots and videos. I can't wait to try it for real.

The other question is - now that Windows Phone 7 Series has been revealed, how many people will be willing to buy a Windows Mobile 6.5.x phone? There's no guarantee that Windows Phone 7 Series will ever be available for older phones.

Although I disagree about wanting to see Microsoft's demise, I agree for the most part with these two posts. It's nice to see a refreshing take on the smartphone UI instead of seeing "How many application icons can I fit on the page" mentality that we're seeing today.

In addition, I find the OS very "pretty" -- something that we've all long said about Apple's hardware.
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post #42 of 449
2/15/10 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by darkbaron View Post

Im in the process of writing a developer training course on the Windows Phone 7 Series SDK so dont talk about what you dont know.

im sure you are, and if you were, you'd be under NDA which means you are 100% full of shit.

Thats like someone claiming they work for Apple and know whats behinds the scenes and actually post on a message board (lol)

I'll give you 0/10 for your trolling attempts sir.
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post #43 of 449
2/15/10 at 7:59am
The Ui certainly looks cool, but it seems to me that it has been done a marketing team looking for dream pictures for their adverts, rather than folks concerned that the user get something interactive, readable and usable. In my experience phone interactions need to be readable and usable first and cool-looking second.

But more importantly it does not seem suited to the concept of Apps at all - where would I find my BA flights app, or Yelp, or Amazon Kindle? Where would Spotify or Rhapsody live? I don't feel like going out of my way to design a non-game app if it has no home on WinMo7.

And if the code base is WinMo6.5, then porting apps will be easy, but the user experience once past the home screen will be miserable. If the code base is all new, and the UI architecture is all new, then that is great for the user experience, but will anyone ant to write apps for it (if they are not backwards compatible)?
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post #44 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:00am
Hey where's the stylus Bill?! I thought it was the way to go?
How about the keyboard Mr. Ballmer, I thought you found it funny that the iPhone did not have a keyboard?

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post #45 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by darkbaron View Post

Im in the process of writing a developer training course on the Windows Phone 7 Series SDK so dont talk about what you dont know.

If it's based on old code, why do none of the Windows Mobile 5.x or 6.x applications work on the phone?
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post #46 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by jpmuk View Post

First off, I can't stand Microsoft and their demise can't come quickly enough for me.

Unfortunately though, I really like this.

I don't understand why Apple has resisted grouping activities on the iPhone user interface. I'm sick of searching through pages and pages for apps (and Spotlight searching is slow and cumbersome).

I hope that the 4.0 upgrade really is an A+ effort and completely overhauls what's now looking like a tired interface, one that was a fantastic (mindblowing) first effort, but needs to adapt to the changing role of the device.

MS has had the advantage of starting from scratch and addressing issues that probably were not on the Apple radar 4 years ago (countless apps for one). Apple needs to, and I'm sure will, do the same.

What he said.

I love the iPhone. But Apple would benefit from some stiff competition.

C.
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post #47 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by slapppy View Post

Me to! Me to! Me to!

Do you mean Apple is "me, too"?
Last I remember Windows CE/Windows Mobile has a longer history than any Apple device besides the Newton.

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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

Gotta hand it to Microsoft, after 7 tries at something they seem to come up with something that almost catches up to the status quo that the rest of us have been enjoying for awhile...

Enjoy your multitasking on the iPhone/iPad much...oh wait!

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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

... of course, it's not scheduled to be released until October. That'll be a major iPhoneOS version of software, a new iPhone hardware platform, and probably a couple of Android and WebOS releases from now.

They have WinMo 6.5.3 with many of the features of these OS on the market right now (heck, it can even do FLASH!). And still WinMo got a few features on its own like strong Exchange and enterprise support.
The only thing holding WinMo right now is the UI.

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Originally Posted by stuffe View Post

Looks interesting, wonder if it has wireless outlook sync for calendars - just trying to find alternatives so I don't have to give my iPhone 3G to the missus in the summer when I get a new one...

I'm not too sure about the "doesn't quite fit" ratio of a lot of the stuff shown, but visually it has a very unique style. I think they are making a mistake tagging it "Win 7" when I imagine it shares precisely zero code base with Win 7, and using the Zune look and feel without giving it a namecheck seems to be burying the brand somewhat. Windows 7 Z-Series even would help to tie the brans together better.

I'll play with one when they are in stores.

All MSFT mobile OS are based on a common lower denominator aka Windows CE.

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Originally Posted by MobileMe View Post

If Microsoft was thinking more clearly, they should position the Windows mobile platform as an extension to the XBox 360. Make their phone more of a gamers phone. Apple wouldn't even be able to compete with that and Microsoft would benefit greatly from that since their user base is already familiar with XBox.

Microsoft needs to Think Different, and lose the notion of direct competition with Apple.

Theirs so much they can do with Win mob but they cripple it, with their LETS COPY APPLE mantra

Looks like WinMo 7 phones will be the portable xbox that everyone wanted.

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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Awesome!

Now they're only a year behind.

And Apple is like 10 years behind. Hope they bring multitasking this summer.

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Originally Posted by ifail View Post

Where does that leave Apple missing features like Multi-Tasking...
inb4 apple crybabies try to use mail as an example.

man...they will get multitasking this year...and claim Apple invented it with a "think different" approch to it while everyone has been doing it since at least 10 years ago before the Cupertino "Me, too" company.

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But more importantly it does not seem suited to the concept of Apps at all - where would I find my BA flights app, or Yelp, or Amazon Kindle? Where would Spotify or Rhapsody live? I don't feel like going out of my way to design a non-game app if it has no home on WinMo7.

Find those in the "APPS" menu or "pinned" to your homescreen(s).
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post #48 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

What he said.

I love the iPhone. But Apple would benefit from some stiff competition.

C.

It's a shame that this isn't it.
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post #49 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:06am
my big worry about series 7 is the assumtions made in the design. What if you dont use facebook or windows live. What if you use a PS3 and dont use xbox live. These major features of the phone then become redundant.
What if you use facebook but dont have ay friends!
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post #50 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:06am
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Where does that leave Apple missing features like Multi-Tasking...

inb4 apple crybabies try to use mail as an example.

We don't even know how you'll build apps for this thing (details , let alone if you'll be able to run multiple third party apps in the background (or "multi-tasking" as it is commonly called, even though that's not what it means in the purest technical sense).
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post #51 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:06am
For the first time in history, a product coming from Microsoft actually looks very beautiful, probably even better than those of all their competitors. To be seen whether the ergonomics of this software follow the excellent design.
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post #52 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by Ricardo Dawkins View Post

multitasking, etc.

Still not a factor. Until Apple implements it.

That's the way it works. Apple has the total package - the ideal combination of hardware + software. The absence of any single feature cannot compromise the whole.

If Apple implements multitasking, it'll be just another sprinkle on the Apple sundae.
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post #53 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:09am
I wouldn't be so quick to be dismissive. This is the same thing we complain that people do to Apple, they dismiss a product without giving it a fair chance.

I hope this works out well for MS. Apple needs competition to keep them innovating.

I'm sure next year MS will realize they need to use Windows Phone 7 for tablets.
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post #54 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:10am
Microsoft is doing what they always do: trying to foist high-minded concepts on users who just want to get stuff done. Why should I have to grok the idea of "hubs" just to look at pictures or use Facebook? The iPhone interface is so much simpler: there's a button for each thing you can do.

This is just more evidence of Microsoft thinking like programmers rather than users.
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post #55 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:10am
I think people are missing the major upside to this announcement for Apple fans (and perhaps the significance of the complete re-deisgn of the OS).

Windows Mobile is dead. Lanced through the heart on the field of battle by Apple's iPhone. Whatever "7 Series" turns out to be, it's certainly not Windows Mobile.

Microsoft just admitted that their flagship product in mobile devices that they've been refining for over a decade, is a failed attempt and have thrown the entire thing out.

That's a huge win for Apple and iPhone.

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post #56 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:10am
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my big worry about series 7 is the assumtions made in the design. What if you dont use facebook or windows live. What if you use a PS3 and dont use xbox live. These major features of the phone then become redundant.
What if you use facebook but dont have ay friends!

If you had seen the live press conference, you would have seen that the UI is highly customizable. If you don't want a tile on the home screen, you can easily remove and it replace it with something that you prefer. Also, the existing tiles can all be edited/customized to your liking.
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post #57 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

Yep. Exactly what I wanted.. Bing search button on my phone

Unless, of course, Apple adopts Bing as it's default search engine and then you will argue why it's better than Google.
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post #58 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:11am
Microsoft - copying, but trying not to be seen to copy.

Trying to achieve good taste.

Trying to make it just work.

Nope. Nope. And nope again.

Stick with spreadsheets Redmond.
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post #59 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Multitasking is far from a sprinkle. You talk about MS being a year behind, not having multitasking is about five years behind.

Precisely.

You cant debate logically with Apple Fans. There is always some exception that allows Apple to get away with BS moves but they are quick to rain down on anyone else (extreme fanboyism at its worst) missing something.
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post #60 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

If you had seen the live press conference, you would have seen that the UI is highly customizable. If you don't want a tile on the home screen, you can easily remove and it replace it with something that you prefer. Also, the existing tiles can all be edited/customized to your liking.

Come on now, he works as a Premiere Partner making training stuff for the new WinMo7 SDK, he of all people knows.

/sarcasm off
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post #61 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:18am
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Multitasking is far from a sprinkle. You talk about MS being a year behind, not having multitasking is about five years behind.

You people talk about multi tasking like its the fruit of the gods!

I bet you also want - 48 mega pixel cameras front and rear, 1080p video projection, high def recording. built in 128gig solid state drive and 365 days of talk time, all for 99$. Get real.

I have been developing software (.NET) for over 12 years and multi tasking is not the answer to your problems. The iphone has multi tasking but it doesnt allow you to run multiple 3rd party apps. that is not the same thing.
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post #62 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:19am
I would reframe that and call it a huge win for consumers and mobile phone development. The iPhone forced MS and Palm to throw out their old clunky platforms. Go back and refresh everything. Ultimately this will be great for consumers.

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I think people are missing the major upside to this announcement for Apple fans (and perhaps the significance of the complete re-deisgn of the OS).

Windows Mobile is dead. Lanced through the heart on the field of battle by Apple's iPhone. Whatever "7 Series" turns out to be, it's certainly not Windows Mobile.

Microsoft just admitted that their flagship product in mobile devices that they've been refining for over a decade, is a failed attempt and have thrown the entire thing out.

That's a huge win for Apple and iPhone.
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post #63 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:20am
No it hasn't. Android sales and influence haven't reached anywhere near the level of Windows Mobile.

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Even if this is true it really isn't a hugh win for Apple seeing Google has simple taken over Microsofts place.
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post #64 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:20am
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Come on now, he works as a Premiere Partner making training stuff for the new WinMo7 SDK, he of all people knows.

/sarcasm off

you really are a TWAT arent you. I know you can customize the UI, my point is, the design makes certain assumptions about the way you use it. What if you dont use these services, then its just a phone right? If you dont use xbox live, facebook etc then your start page is prety emtpy.
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post #65 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:21am
Five years behind what? What exactly does multitasking do that makes it as great as you make it sound?

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Multitasking is far from a sprinkle. You talk about MS being a year behind, not having multitasking is about five years behind.
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post #66 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by Ricardo Dawkins View Post

Looks like WinMo 7 phones will be the portable xbox that everyone wanted.

This may turn to be interesting... for the few million people who have xboxes. I wonder what kinds of things this can do. Will it also be capable of being some kind of a controller for the xbox? That would be awesome.

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And Apple is like 10 years behind. Hope they bring multitasking this summer.

While I hope so too, I don«t think they are "behind", having seen the implementation of "multitasking" by all the other competitors, i.e., irrelevant multitasking (except the PRE, which has a cool multitasking).

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man...they will get multitasking this year...and claim Apple invented it with a "think different" approch to it while everyone has been doing it since at least 10 years ago before the Cupertino "Me, too" company.

Yeah.... TEN years.... and apple fanboys are the kool-aid-drinkers... this is just plain delusion.
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post #67 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:23am
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Unless, of course, Apple adopts Bing as it's default search engine and then you will argue why it's better than Google.

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post #68 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:23am
Amazing how a company can introduce a mobile phone and not talk about how the phone works. I looked at all the screenshots and haven't seen how to make a call.

As far as the UI goes, why are the fonts cutoff at the sides, top and bottom? Guess I should wait to see real, live demoes(spelling? I'm Dutch).

Multi-touch and pinch to zoom...I thought Apple had some specific patents on this. What do you guys think? Will Apple sue M$ if there is a violation?

As others have stated, it does look a lot like the Zune interface. Haven't bothered to see that product in person. Maybe it's not available here in The Netherlands. But yes, I like Apple products anyway. And having to use M$ software at work I don't bother to check out what they have besides Windoze and Office.

When is 'the holiday season'? Someone wrote October. If that's the case, Apple will most likely have new things out already, and M$ couldn't possible add additions things after Apple's announcement/release in July(?)

And why only show one single hardware model? They're saying it is a Windows Phone 7 _Series_ so I would expect them to show more models.

I do think they did the right thing by only showing how it's used and not run down a list of hardware specs. Seems to me that's a first for M$. Not a first to copy someone else's showman case though.

I will have a great time reading the hundreds of posts later today.

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post #69 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:23am
I don't think multitasking is all that important. I do agree people are being overly biased. MS has done something interesting and they should be given credit. The people here who are just dumping on it simply because its MS are being fanboys.

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Precisely.

You cant debate logically with Apple Fans. There is always some exception that allows Apple to get away with BS moves but they are quick to rain down on anyone else (extreme fanboyism at its worst) missing something.
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post #70 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:28am
The cut off fonts are apart of the Zune UI aestetic.

Apple does not have a patent on multitouch, they can only patent their specific multitouch technology.

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As far as the UI goes, why are the fonts cutoff at the sides, top and bottom? Guess I should wait to see real, live demoes(spelling? I'm Dutch).

Multi-touch and pinch to zoom...I thought Apple had some specific patents on this. What do you guys think? Will Apple sue M$ if there is a violation?
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post #71 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

That's the way it works. Apple has the total package - the ideal combination of hardware + software. The absence of any single feature cannot compromise the whole.

So you would agree the Microsoft comes closet out of Apple's rivals to competing with this ecosystem? Microsoft has a music store, a large developer community, internet services, a large gaming community and now a seemingly competent mobile OS. All the pieces appear to be there so question will be whether Microsoft can integrate them all together.
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post #72 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:30am
I'll reserve final judgement until I get a chance to use it hands on. Initial judgement? It's another competitor to all platforms and I am sure all platforms will look at it and rob some of the ideas. They all do it.
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post #73 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by darkbaron View Post

you really are a TWAT arent you. I know you can customize the UI, my point is, the design makes certain assumptions about the way you use it. What if you dont use these services, then its just a phone right? If you dont use xbox live, facebook etc then your start page is prety emtpy.

You mad cause i called you on your BS dog? You work on this dont you, so you of ALL PEOPLE should know.

No, it expands and integrate based off services you use. Xbox Integration is what millions have been pining for, but most likely stays collapsed until your info is added (similar to how the Zune HD is). 350 million use Facebook but in the off chance you dont, it most likely wouldnt show up on the home screen.
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post #74 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:30am
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But more importantly it does not seem suited to the concept of Apps at all - where would I find my BA flights app, or Yelp, or Amazon Kindle? Where would Spotify or Rhapsody live? I don't feel like going out of my way to design a non-game app if it has no home on WinMo7.

There would be a simple tile with the app's icon. And you can move it around on the Start screen. Maybe the developers will be allowed to post notifications on that tile.

And your app would run in full screen. I don't see any problem here?!
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post #75 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:31am
TBH I'm not getting the whole interface and I think it looks rather confusing, but then again that might be because i'm hung over.
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post #76 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by aduzik View Post

The iPhone interface is so much simpler: there's a button for each thing you can do.

Indeed, there are 11 x 16 buttons, with no way to consolidate similar buttons into nested groups.

The iInterface sucks. It is not scaleable.
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post #77 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by toddd240 View Post

Anything that pushes products and gives consumers more, is a win for the end user. The live content is an interesting idea. Microsoft already has a huge user base when it comes to the xbox. these users aren't just 10 year olds. Many people into their 20's and 30's play this. It is a great way to present a product that many people would gravitate to because of their current product and service usage. It looks promising. Hopefully this continues to push Apple and provide products to the end user that we would want.

I don't really understand what the benefit of this integration is. I have an xBox live account, but frankly I don't see why being able to see my avatar and achievements is particularly useful or even interesting. Sure they will integrate it with games on the phone, but then what, you will have achievements for phone games?

Maybe the problem is I never understood the interest in achievements.

If they provide added features to Live gold members it might be more interesting, but what are you going to add that the phone wouldn't be able to do already? Maybe you wont be able to play multiplayer games on the phone unless you have Live gold, just like on Xbox. That would suck.
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post #78 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:33am
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That's a huge win for Apple and iPhone.

Go Team Go!

Do you think that Apple can take third place with this win?
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post #79 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:34am
Might have to give it a try. I'm so pissed at Apple for telling me "if you want to be with me, you WILL use AT&T" At least this bloody thing works on Verizon so I might be able to complete a phone call for the first time in nearly two years. Thats kinda important to some of us Mr. Apple.
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post #80 of 449
2/15/10 at 8:36am
How many phone markets are left to MS?

I mean, I have read that Motorola is going their way and Palm has WebOS and Android is on a bunch of HTC phones instead of MS, does that mean MS will have just this one model phone and they have to "Make" it themselves? Or is the OS available to other phone manufacturers and who will license it? I think even Dell is looking elsewhere, not sure though.

Also, is this CDMA phone? Which carrier will have this?

Not interested in getting one. Just have some questions. There is more then enough comments about MS belated attempt to alter their phone OS. Just because I agree with most of them, I won't be superfluous...

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