Sources offer peek at Adobe Creative Suite 5 for Mac - Page 2

By the way, Aperture 3 is pretty good.

Ed

Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver and InDesign are industry standards. Furthermore, these apps have made careers for countless developers.....utter crap?.....uh....how about you go back to your KidPix image editor and we'll ask for your opinion next time we need to fill a circle with the paint bucket.

See above. I have the Lr 3 beta. I have the Aperture 3 trial. Neither is going to completely take away the need for Ps, not in their current incarnations.

At least with Adobe, I can guess why they won't; my guess is that they simply refuse to add enough functionality to Lr in order to prevent cannibalizing Ps sales.

As for Apple, I have no idea why they won't step up to the plate.

You do not want to be too isolated on the Apple island.

Ed

[QUOTE=waltsatan;1573024]Whoever these people are, they aren't very familiar with iPhone compiling. It's very much working and is pretty impressive. There are quite a few apps already in the app store:

I agree......it works great and I'm blown away at how easy it is!!

If you know why I need them in Ps, you'd know why I'd like them in Lr.


Is that what the article says about CS5? That's not what I got from it:


Are you saying you have some inside information to the contrary?

The reason Photoshop has layers is because it's a destructive program.

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/compare/

awesome. yet another reason to be glad that i'm still using CS. (which runs fine under snow leopard on my new iMac, by the way)

I don't need Flash, I need for InDesign to do a much better job of creating ePub books. For the first time since CS1, it looks like I may be taking a pass on this next upgrade.

I wish Adobe hadn't brought Macromedia, because ImageReady wouldn't have died.

And ImageReady, unlike Fireworks, came with Photoshop.

No wonder CS is pirated so much...it's just not worth what Adobe charges.

I wonder with CS5 if Adobe will finally get rid of scratch disks. OS X has really great memory management, and it seems stupid for them to reinvent the wheel trying to use their own virtual memory system. That may have been a good idea back under OS 9 but not now under OS X.

If only this came with Middle Eastern support as standard.

Can't wait to get CS5 from the torrents. There's no other way I'll ever get to use it...

I prefer to buy my music, movies, books, and software. Adobe's Creative Suite is very expensive, but this might be the year I buy it for home (rather than continuing to use a "shared" version. I've been waiting for the 64-bit versions for a while. It's going to be an expensive year, but this is my career and Photoshop will easily make me back the money I spend on it. Hope it runs well.

How the f**k can "traditional print publishers" print a document with "video and animation"? or did I miss the point of this new "feature' ...

And yet I use Ps all the time, non-destructively. Clearly, I should be drawn and quartered or at least tried as a heretic for using a feature in such an unapproved fashion.

There are corrections I can only do in Ps (by essentially pulling apart pieces of an image) that a photography-based program such as Lr should easily be able to deliver on.


I'm missing your point here; the top features of Ps CS4 from your link include:

Appleinsider, please write articles that are less USA/northern hemisphere centric. 'Spring' for the southern hemisphere is in September, please use months instead for timeframes. Also less on the americanisms, such as 'under the hood' and 'in the fall'. Others in non USA countries, really don't know what you are talking about, what is 'hood' for instance the curtain that covers the clitoris? This is not in this article but 'sometime in the Fall' , what is that, snow fall?

This is a concern "The casual Photoshop user won't recognize too much of a difference in the software over the existing version, these people say."

You mean to say after all this word porting to 'Cocoa' there is no User Interface improvement? Is the GUI ported to Cocoa or not? Is it going to look like a crappy piece of legacy Carbon? How can they possibly and supposedly 're-write' the GUI in Cocoa for it to be unchanged to the end user? I can tell the difference between FireFox and Camino.

Print publishers also have online sites.

Adobe is somewhat famous for designing their own UI/UX instead of following the Apple HIG. It's easier for them to develop one Adobe UI instead of developing specific Windows and OS X style UIs.

So to answer your question, it's going to look like a crappy piece of legacy Adobe.

This concerns me also.

If they were re-writing the thing in Cocoa, the GUI would be the first thing to change would it not?

It seems to me that what they are doing here is making the underpinnings of the program 64 bit, but not changing the GUI, and not necessarily using an all Cocoa development environment. So despite what they've been saying for years, they actually (probably) *aren't* changing their development environment at Adobe and are still using the cross-platofrm (i.e. - Windows) tools to create the products.

The whole point of why Photoshop sucks is not because it's not 64 bit "under the hood."

- Photoshop sucks because it uses an inconsistent, custom, Windows-style UI written in Flash.
- Photoshop sucks because the installer was written in 1993.
- Photoshop sucks because it uses proprietary memory management.
- Photoshop sucks because it includes a bunch of crap that no one uses or wants (like the "3-D" stuff they are focussing on according to this article.)

They aren't listening to their customers at all. They're changing all the stuff that no one cares about but leaving in all the problems that people have been writing about for years.

I think they must be just batshit insane over at Adobe. There is no other explanation.

You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

Frankly, I couldn't care less CS 5.
Adobe in my mind has long ago gone the way of Microsoft, and that is not a complement.
Flash has all kinds of problems. CS is overpriced and bloated.
This, and my attitude toward the company, aren't new either. I've been seeking alternatives to Adobe products for the last few years.

Hey lQQK i am a Software Analyst/Trainer here in NYC and i remember when I worked at Y&R advertising in NY back in 1999/2000/2001 when Adumbe decided that they would leave the Mac crowd behind on the Photoshop releases because Windoze users were more important (financially speaking probably) so they would always release a PC Windoze version with all the bells and whistles and make US Apple Mac users wait until the next version release to get what the PC crowd was getting first, never mind that the entire creative dept at the Ad agency i worked at and probably ALL the Ad agencies creative dept's use MAC's for creating ads and magazines but Adumbe just left the Macs out in the cold and now they are paying for it APPLE is single handily KILLING FLASH by not using it on the iphone or on the ipad and now HTML5 with be non-FLASH dependent... serves them RIGHT!!!! can't wait unitl APPle makes a PHOTOSHOP KILLER!!!!

It's a layout application, I use that or Illustrator, as do most professional designers. Fireworks does not provide me with any of the tools I want for creating customisable grids or using styles.

Exactly! There is no alternative, and more importantly I love the workflow I have with Illustrator and InDesign. I use Dreamweaver too, but only on the code side, however, the ability to see referenced files in CS4 is fantastic. Worth the upgrade alone. A 64-bit Cocoa version will be great.

If CS5 is what I expect - proprietary and buggy -- I'm sticking with CS3. Screw you, Adobe, especially if you're out to screw me!

I don't really use the Creative Suite a whole lot for my own needs, but I deploy and manage a few hundred systems. The issues I have always had is just dealing with that and trying to automate it. Our management software company, bless their heart, has done everything they can to make it as simple as possible to deploy. Even with that there are still issues that just SUCK!

- How about allowing the installation of the suites without requiring a user to be logged on for those installations to work.

- How about allowing the installation of the some of the suites updates without requiring a user to be logged on to make them work.

- How about making the Acrobat Pro and Acrobat Readers updaters conform to your standard updater packages so my management system can handle them native like the rest of the suite updaters. Your Acrobat team needs to get their head out of their ass and you all need to be on the same boat!

- How about having Acrobat Reader install in a single location instead of FOUR depending on if the suite is or isn't installed and if the system is PPC or Intel. Not that the PPC part will probably matter so much this time around.

- How about doing away with me having to put updaters in my system at all and give me a command line updater, like Apple's softwareupdate command, so I can just schedule it to run on a regular basis without user intervention or the need to have an interface up or a user logged in. I actually wouldn't mind running my own centralized Adobe Software Update Server to minimize bandwidth usage and control the updates people get...WEIRD...like my Apple Software Update Servers!

- How about NOT requiring the launch of Photoshop FIRST to license the rest of the damn suite. Shouldn't that just HAPPEN as part of the damn install?!

I could probably go on and on, but those are the big ones. I've burned up days and weeks of my life making these work, not only in CS4, but with CS3 as well...which was even worse.

I hope it does everything it needs to for you folks that actually use it, too. Good luck! =)

they ARE utter crap. they have made the lives of countless designers a daily hell. do you use these apps everyday? sound like you do not. i want adobe illustrator 6 ported to osx. i want photoshop 3 ported to osx. for the last TEN YEARS adobe has more or less just layered on crap and bloat that has perpetually made their apps less stable and a pain in the ass to use.

sadly, the independent developers are not seeing the opportunity. pixelmator is getting closer with each release, but it is still not quite meeting the minimum that photoshop 3 set as a usable professional toolset. what we need is a good, stable, easy to use (not simple-minded or dumb, but just slick with a conscious workflow) app for about $150-200. if i had the money to invest, i would seriously do it myself.

adobe is the microsoft of creative apps.

UPDATED: Adobe rep Larry Masinter:


Source:http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/02...ing_html5.html


I guess they got it all wrong.\

that's what would happen in a windows installation, and i'm not surprised the same happens in osx

Awesome!

Ed

Embattled is just one step away from beleaguered.

Ah yes, the White Rabbit, from Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. The one best known for muttering "Oh dear! Oh dear! I shall be too late!"

Fitting.

How? By using Qt 4.6.x.

Indeed

Is everything in CS5 both written in Cocoa and 64 bit? The only thing that explicitly says this is photoshop. If it is JUST photoshop that has been rewritten, I will be very disappointed. Why no news of illustrator?

Yes, I'm afraid so. Me too. Print is dying super fast, I am afraid. I was wondering if Adobe would try to help out designers. I've been trying to learn hand coding of web sites. I t is so slow. (Actually, what I would like is a pro version of iWeb from Apple.

You mean Adobe are finally using the Mac frameworks to write their Mac applications? That is some wild and crazy stuff

Tom... you are NOT the only one with a "hate-hate" on Adobe... I assure you.

PS is fine by me and the speed increase with 64-bit will be nice (finally).

It didn't say much about Illustrator here, but that program is the absolute "sh*t"!

I've been in the design biz with FH and PS for more than 20 years now.... and since FH was bought and allowed to die, I as well as most of my clients have been "trying" to like, and move everything over to Illustrator for our packaging design work.

I said "trying", because after more than a year, we all have the same frustrations that we are not as productive.... because Illustrator gets in our way too much.

For example just trying to choose elements like a line: in preview mode, you MUST select the center of the line, even if it's 50 pts. wide, or else you'll select what's behind it! Unbelievable! If you don't use multiple layers, and have that palette open all of the time... you are doomed to frustration.

Just one example (there are many on YouTube)... ut why Illustrator needs a TOTAL reworking. I have my fingers crossed.... but am also ready to be disappointed. Sad.