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post #241 of 361
I feel better already!
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I've changed my sig just for you Seg.

Heheh.....excellent.....is much better.

I think you neglect to factor in my knowledge that Obama is just another tool of the establishment and a far worse in many respects than the usual Right-wing crew but is a vast improvement...

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Heheh.....excellent.....is much better.

I think you neglect to factor in my knowledge that Obama is just another tool of the establishment and a far worse in many respects than the usual Right-wing crew but is a vast improvement...

Thanks!

Speaking of Barack Obama and his ability to be a vast improvement at being far worse....

Turns out he, like much of the left, has resorted to the ol' ad-hom reasoning as the last tool in his desperately sinking presidency and party. Utopia hasn't arrived and the left is very pissed about that fact.

Obama's going all in and don't doubt that means more violence. In the leftist worldview, no one can actually reasonably disagree with them.

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Speaking of Barack Obama and his ability to be a vast improvement at being far worse....

turns out he, like much of the left, has resorted to the ol' ad-hom reasoning as the last tool in his desperately sinking presidency and party. Utopia hasn't arrived and the left is very pissed about that fact.

Obama's going all in and don't doubt that means more violence. In the leftist worldview, no one can actually reasonably disagree with them.

Except I am a Leftist and despise Obama because he is Right-wing. As evidenced by continuing the violence and wars started by the Right-wing.

But don't worry about that....it's a fact as opposed to an ideological on the-the-fly construct so it can be safely ignored, twisted or distorted according to taste.
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Except I am a Leftist and despise Obama because he is Right-wing. As evidenced by continuing the violence and wars started by the Right-wing.

But don't worry about that....it's a fact as opposed to an ideological on the-the-fly construct so it can be safely ignored, twisted or distorted according to taste.

Bingo.

How the right thinks Obama is a Liberal is beyond me. They just don't seem to have enough thought capacity to get beyond the "D" next to his name.
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Except I am a Leftist and despise Obama because he is Right-wing. As evidenced by continuing the violence and wars started by the Right-wing.

But don't worry about that....it's a fact as opposed to an ideological on the-the-fly construct so it can be safely ignored, twisted or distorted according to taste.

Yes, and every time you've been shown a leftist doing wrong, you simply declare they aren't a "true leftist."

I've asked you this before Seg and perhaps now Tonton can join in as well. Can you give me a few "true leftists" in power so we can note the differences between true leftists and pseudo leftists?

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Yes, and every time you've been shown a leftist doing wrong, you simply declare they aren't a "true leftist."

I've asked you this before Seg and perhaps now Tonton can join in as well. Can you give me a few "true leftists" in power so we can note the differences between true leftists and pseudo leftists?

I would say Zapatero in Spain is possibly a true Leftist...though nowhere near as radical as I would like. His policies so far have included:

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One of the first measures he carried out as soon as he took office was to withdraw every Spanish soldier fighting in Iraq, which he did in less than a month. This drew criticism from some right-wingers who held the view that he was ceding to the pressure of the terrorists who attacked Spain. However, it was a measure announced by him before the general elections and supported by the majority of Spanish population.

Much of Zapatero's work has been on social issues, including gender-motivated violence and discrimination,] divorce and same-sex marriage. The most recent social issue tackled has been the Dependency Law, a plan to regulate help and resources for people in dire need of them, and who cannot provide for themselves and must rely on others on a daily basis.

He has increased the minimum wage and pursued other classically socialist policies.

The legalization of same-sex marriage in Spain on 1 July 2005 includes adoption rights as well as other rights that were previously only available to heterosexual couples.

In 2007, Zapatero's government was also responsible for a Gender Identity Law that allows transsexual persons the right to have their identity legally recognised, the criteria being one clinical evaluation and two years of treatment (generally hormone replacement therapy), and without demanding mandatory genital surgery or irreversible sterility. The law is, alongside with the legislation of some US states, one of the most simple and non-bureaucratic that currently exist in the world. Transsexual persons also have the right to marry persons of the opposite or same sex they have transitioned into, and to biologically parent children either before or after transitioning.

An important change in Spanish foreign policy was Zapatero's decision to approach left-wing leaders such as Cuba's Fidel Castro and Venezuela's Hugo Chávez. Zapatero has played an important role in the improvement of the relationship between the Cuban government and the European Union.

You'd probably have to put Chavez in there too with Castro and possibly Ahmedinejad though I don't think he is so good for Iran in the long run as he plays too much into US hands. Definitely Assad of Syria who I have a lot of respect for.

By the way - you said "when you've been shown a leftist doing wrong..." - this needs clarification.

What is "wrong"? When I've been shown a Leftist following a Right-wing policy I claim they are not a Leftist..that's true. It also makes sense.

I'm sure you would find many of Zapatero's actions listed above to be 'wrong' but you won't find me claiming he is not a Leftist because of them. Nor do I accept they are 'wrong' or that 'wrong' is what you think it is.
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YIKES - In light of recent accusations, we're taking the opportunity to set the record straight. For a side so concerned with Tea Party hate speech, they sure seem full of rage.

DISCLAIMER: Full of harsh language and violent rhetoric. Emails and voicemails are only edited to remove names and phone numbers.


The hate of the left on full display. The photo collage shows, as typical that the very rare exception to rightist protests signs PALES in comparison to what the left promotes.

Heheh....if you want to see hilarious irony in action just read the comments on there by the Right!
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I would say Zapatero in Spain is possibly a true Leftist...though nowhere near as radical as I would like. His policies so far have included:



You'd probably have to put Chavez in there too with Castro and possibly Ahmedinejad though I don't think he is so good for Iran in the long run as he plays too much into US hands. Definitely Assad of Syria who I have a lot of respect for.

By the way - you said "when you've been shown a leftist doing wrong..." - this needs clarification.

What is "wrong"? When I've been shown a Leftist following a Right-wing policy I claim they are not a Leftist..that's true. It also makes sense.

I'm sure you would find many of Zapatero's actions listed above to be 'wrong' but you won't find me claiming he is not a Leftist because of them. Nor do I accept they are 'wrong' or that 'wrong' is what you think it is.

It doesn't make sense. You simply remove entire categories of actions from your definition when convenient. It also conflates cause and effect and is a prime example of the nirvana fallacy.

The reasoning is clear as day above by you and makes no sense. A leftist who fails to follow the Utopian idea state is simply doing wrong, not selectively becoming a rightist.

Hard to argue with someone though who continually redefines right and wrong for political expediency. It amounts to say, Zapatero didn't do anything wrong, he just woke up on the right side of the bed this morning and perhaps will wake up on the left side tomorrow.

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It doesn't make sense. You simply remove entire categories of actions from your definition when convenient. It also conflates cause and effect and is a prime example of the nirvana fallacy.

The reasoning is clear as day above by you and makes no sense. A leftist who fails to follow the Utopian idea state is simply doing wrong, not selectively becoming a rightist.

Hard to argue with someone though who continually redefines right and wrong for political expediency. It amounts to say, Zapatero didn't do anything wrong, he just woke up on the right side of the bed this morning and perhaps will wake up on the left side tomorrow.

What?? It's gibberish....btw that word comes from the Arabic philosopher Geber - or Jābir_ibn_Hayyān (said to have invented chemistry) but that doesn't help me understand a word of it..

What are you talking about??

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What?? It's gibberish....btw that word comes from the Arabic philosopher Geber - or Jābir_ibn_Hayyān (said to have invented chemistry) but that doesn't help me understand a word of it..

What are you talking about??


What is "wrong"? When I've been shown a Leftist following a Right-wing policy I claim they are not a Leftist..that's true. It also makes sense.

That doesn't make sense. Try it with any other terms besides left and right. They do not suddenly and temporarily switch political ideologies.

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What is "wrong"? When I've been shown a Leftist following a Right-wing policy I claim they are not a Leftist..that's true. It also makes sense.

That doesn't make sense. Try it with any other terms besides left and right. They do not suddenly and temporarily switch political ideologies.

Ok:

When I've been shown a Christian regularly attending a Black Mass and worshipping Beelzebub I claim they are not a Christian...... that's true. It also makes sense.
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Ok:

When I've been shown a Christian regularly attending a Black Mass and worshipping Beelzebub I claim they are not a Christian...... that's true. It also makes sense.

However this bad analogy is not what you are claiming. This would indeed be a wholesale conversion.

Your analogy would be along these lines. Frank attends service on Sundays, goes to Wednesday Bible study and tithes his 10%. He also spends every other Thursday humping Sarah who, by the way, isn't his wife.

The reasoning you put forward makes Frank a 98% Christian and then 2% whatever label you would want to apply to someone who screws their neighbor every other week. From what you claim, he could never be a Christian who does wrong, merely a Christian who stops being a Christian at certain times.

That makes no sense. It is Utopian because it defines certain classes of people as perfect. They never stop being perfect, they just step outside the classification of what is perfect for periods of time and then resume being perfect.

Frank is a perfect Christian. When he is screwing his neighbor, he isn't a Christian at that time. At that time he is something else.

It doesn't work that way sorry to say.

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post #257 of 361

He was obviously (at least I hope so) being sarcastic.

But he should be held to his own standards... He must have meant, PRECISELY, what he wrote...
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I don't think he was being sarcastic at all. It is clear via abortion, euthanisia, and now lack of energy and economic growth due to green policies that folks of this nature believe the human population must be managed and the weak culled from the flock so to speak. The entire history of socialism, and the belief that science is the only force that guides all of society shows this to be true.

Why killing a couple billion humans, it is no different to them then slaughtering some cows to prevent the spread of disease. Carbon dioxide is the disease according to them, and if two billion murders won't stop it, then perhaps three billion murders will by their reasoning.

Remember that phrase... quality of life.... it masks the murder.

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He was obviously (at least I hope so) being sarcastic.

But he should be held to his own standards... He must have meant, PRECISELY, what he wrote...

You see the problem is that Trumpt is an exceptional case - in many ways very 'special'. And in order to connect with him (I mean try to) you have to speak his language.

We all have our own methods (mine is whenever Trumpt insists that all British people are Australians I nod furiously and put on a funny hat with corks on it and grap a tinnie) and this is probably Wormhole's too... it might help to look at it like this:

1) Trumpt calls 'helping old ladies across the road' mass murder...

2) rational posters try to politely point out that there might be an error there

3) After a while of pointing this out to him that mass murder is something very different and realizing he will never get it you have to - in order to communicate - say, "yes, I think we should all mass murder more often".

Except then when you do that the definition suddenly changes back to what it should be all along but that's a different story....
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However this bad analogy is not what you are claiming. This would indeed be a wholesale conversion.

Your analogy would be along these lines. Frank attends service on Sundays, goes to Wednesday Bible study and tithes his 10%. He also spends every other Thursday humping Sarah who, by the way, isn't his wife.

The reasoning you put forward makes Frank a 98% Christian and then 2% whatever label you would want to apply to someone who screws their neighbor every other week. From what you claim, he could never be a Christian who does wrong, merely a Christian who stops being a Christian at certain times.

That makes no sense. It is Utopian because it defines certain classes of people as perfect. They never stop being perfect, they just step outside the classification of what is perfect for periods of time and then resume being perfect.

Frank is a perfect Christian. When he is screwing his neighbor, he isn't a Christian at that time. At that time he is something else.

It doesn't work that way sorry to say.

Umm...I think we should stick to discussing politics, theology is probably a bridge to far...
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You see the problem is that Trumpt is an exceptional case - in many ways very 'special'. And in order to connect with him (I mean try to) you have to speak his language.

We all have our own methods (mine is whenever Trumpt insists that all British people are Australians I nod furiously and put on a funny hat with corks on it and grap a tinnie) and this is probably Wormhole's too... it might help to look at it like this:

1) Trumpt calls 'helping old ladies across the road' mass murder...

2) rational posters try to politely point out that there might be an error there

3) After a while of pointing this out to him that mass murder is something very different and realizing he will never get it you have to - in order to communicate - say, "yes, I think we should all mass murder more often".

Except then when you do that the definition suddenly changes back to what it should be all along but that's a different story....


Clearly since there isn't a quote you could find that would justify your caricature above, you must be practicing what your sig preaches, that reality is what you can get away with... or in this instance, lie about.

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Umm...I think we should stick to discussing politics, theology is probably a bridge to far...

Well it was your analogy that I fixed. Sorry you chose a flawed one. Likewise the casual reader will see the trap that you've fallen into there and how your reasoning does not follow.

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I don't think he was being sarcastic at all. It is clear via abortion, euthanisia, and now lack of energy and economic growth due to green policies that folks of this nature believe the human population must be managed and the weak culled from the flock so to speak. The entire history of socialism, and the belief that science is the only force that guides all of society shows this to be true.

Why killing a couple billion humans, it is no different to them then slaughtering some cows to prevent the spread of disease. Carbon dioxide is the disease according to them, and if two billion murders won't stop it, then perhaps three billion murders will by their reasoning.

Remember that phrase... quality of life.... it masks the murder.

A little judicious culling often happens in the way of things - large scale wars serve that purpose I believe. It's probably more Darwinian than Socialist.

Though I guess some people should be removed from society - don't Wingers all have the hots for the death penalty?

If you add up all the people that get killed that way it's quite a lot and Wingers think it is a good thing. Its not genocide of course as it is not based on race but then again nor is what you are talking about and wrongly accusing another poster of.

So I don't see why you should see a problem.
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You might want to see a doctor about that knot you've twisted yourself into there.

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You see the problem is that Trumpt is an exceptional case - in many ways very 'special'. And in order to connect with him (I mean try to) you have to speak his language.

We all have our own methods (mine is whenever Trumpt insists that all British people are Australians I nod furiously and put on a funny hat with corks on it and grap a tinnie) and this is probably Wormhole's too... it might help to look at it like this:

1) Trumpt calls 'helping old ladies across the road' mass murder...

2) rational posters try to politely point out that there might be an error there

3) After a while of pointing this out to him that mass murder is something very different and realizing he will never get it you have to - in order to communicate - say, "yes, I think we should all mass murder more often".

Except then when you do that the definition suddenly changes back to what it should be all along but that's a different story....

Trumptman might have a tendency to exaggerate a position, but I have found that he is willing to not do so when the other side works in kind. Wormhole is not taking anything seriously and has seemingly given up on any kind of reasonable conversation. Even when the party on the other side tries. Trumptman is taking some of that bait, while not very productive, it does make a point.

You on the other hand take a very sarcastic view to many subjects when people don't fall right into how you think they should argue a point. I don't think that mere disagreement gets this view, simply arguing in a way that does not match your thought of correct arguments gets the flamboyant treatment. eg:

We all have our own methods (mine is whenever Trumpt insists that all British people are Australians I nod furiously and put on a funny hat with corks on it and grap a tinnie)

Whatever the case, I see the over the top style from both sides and at this point I cannot help but shrug and hope for a change. I can only control myself, but I can point out ridiculous arguments when I see them.
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A little judicious culling often happens in the way of things - large scale wars serve that purpose I believe. It's probably more Darwinian than Socialist.

Though I guess some people should be removed from society - don't Wingers all have the hots for the death penalty?

No, they likely don't. And this is hardly the same thing anyhow.

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If you add up all the people that get killed that way it's quite a lot and Wingers think it is a good thing. Its not genocide of course as it is not based on race but then again nor is what you are talking about and wrongly accusing another poster of.

So I don't see why you should see a problem.

Really? How many die due to the death penalty annually?

One figure claims:

According to Amnesty International, at least 714 executions were carried out in 18 States in 2009.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment
By states they appear to be meaning countries...

It is not genocide, nor does it support your claim, at all... The number for the US was 52. More people died from Lightening strikes, which are considered exceedingly rare. But we already know you play to theatric on purpose.
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Frank attends service on Sundays, goes to Wednesday Bible study and tithes his 10%. He also spends every other Thursday humping Sarah who, by the way, isn't his wife.

I knew there was something up with that Canadian boy.
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The AP puts a good spin on this one for the lefties. There is no liberal media!


Calif. immigrants' rights march ends in vandalism


Calif. immigrants' rights march ends in riot.


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Redstate.com

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An employee opened an envelope addressed to Governor Jan Brewer which contained a “powdery white substance.” The immediate area and lobby were closed for about thirty minutes, during which time the substance was “packaged as evidence of a crime” and sent to the State lab for analysis, says Staubitz.

The media can report on fake slurs, but not biological agent threats against governors when they are Republican or when they disagree with the policy.

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The freaky thing is that I actually have a friend named Sarah.
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The freaky thing is that I actually have a friend named Sarah.

Maybe there's a 'Good Frank' and a 'Sinner Frank' who does all the fun things?

And neither know of the other's existence...Like in that old film with Roger Moore or that book by that Russian bloke...
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Maybe he's just Frank and then when he does something not defined as Frank he becomes Tom or George instead.

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The system worked.

The 'system' has been working for decades. That's why there are so many sheep - and certainly why there are so many on here.

Luckily it is showing signs of being under attack. The Islamists are attacking it. The Tea Party wing-nuts are attacking it.

Just a matter of time before the sane reasonable people start to attack it too and then it's sayonara - and thank God.
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Maybe he's just Frank and then when he does something not defined as Frank he becomes Tom or George instead.

Can I be frank with you? That sounds like a hell of a lot of Republicans. Especially the gay ones, as well as the ones who claim to be against earmarks, spending or big government.
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Can I be frank with you? That sounds like a hell of a lot of Politicians. Especially the breathing ones, as well as the ones who claim to be against earmarks, spending or big government.

TFTFY I know you have a focus on winning the argument, but honestly, it is not that narrow overall.
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Can I be frank with you? That sounds like a hell of a lot of Republicans. Especially the gay ones, as well as the ones who claim to be against earmarks, spending or big government.

Illegal use of bad pun. 15 yd penalty.

It sounds like a lot of politicians. There is a reason I tried to examine this with the boomer thread. It looks like an entire generation of politicians, regardless of party, believe they are above the rules. Obama has just decided to add 2.2 trillion more to the deficit by extending and making permanent the Bush tax cuts. How do you personally defend something like that?

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Obama has just decided to add 2.2 trillion more to the deficit by extending and making permanent the Bush tax cuts. How do you personally defend something like that?

I don't. I'm starting to side with the "Obama fooled me too" bunch, but I still think he's better than McCain.

Obama pretended to be a Liberal. Before the election, he spoke the Liberal talk and walked the Liberal Walk. He is not a Liberal.

He is hawkish on the war. Not progressive with social policy. And now he's apparently buying the supply-side horseshit.
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Illegal use of bad pun. 15 yd penalty.

It sounds like a lot of politicians. There is a reason I tried to examine this with the boomer thread. It looks like an entire generation of politicians, regardless of party, believe they are above the rules. Obama has just decided to add 2.2 trillion more to the deficit by extending and making permanent the Bush tax cuts. How do you personally defend something like that?

Obama is not the problem. Left and Right, Dem or Repub are not the problem.

The problem is a system that is so moribund and corrupt that it is dying on its feet and nobody can tell who stands for what anymore because they all have their snouts in the same trough.

The system needs to be torn down and replaced before we can even begin to talk of Left or Right ever again.
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