The rising tide of left wing extremism and violence - Page 7

Originally Posted by trumptman

I've changed my sig just for you Seg.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Speaking of Barack Obama and his ability to be a vast improvement at being far worse....

turns out he, like much of the left, has resorted to the ol' ad-hom reasoning as the last tool in his desperately sinking presidency and party. Utopia hasn't arrived and the left is very pissed about that fact.

Obama's going all in and don't doubt that means more violence. In the leftist worldview, no one can actually reasonably disagree with them.

Originally Posted by segovius

Except I am a Leftist and despise Obama because he is Right-wing. As evidenced by continuing the violence and wars started by the Right-wing.

But don't worry about that....it's a fact as opposed to an ideological on the-the-fly construct so it can be safely ignored, twisted or distorted according to taste.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Yes, and every time you've been shown a leftist doing wrong, you simply declare they aren't a "true leftist."

I've asked you this before Seg and perhaps now Tonton can join in as well. Can you give me a few "true leftists" in power so we can note the differences between true leftists and pseudo leftists?

One of the first measures he carried out as soon as he took office was to withdraw every Spanish soldier fighting in Iraq, which he did in less than a month. This drew criticism from some right-wingers who held the view that he was ceding to the pressure of the terrorists who attacked Spain. However, it was a measure announced by him before the general elections and supported by the majority of Spanish population.

Much of Zapatero's work has been on social issues, including gender-motivated violence and discrimination,] divorce and same-sex marriage. The most recent social issue tackled has been the Dependency Law, a plan to regulate help and resources for people in dire need of them, and who cannot provide for themselves and must rely on others on a daily basis.

He has increased the minimum wage and pursued other classically socialist policies.

The legalization of same-sex marriage in Spain on 1 July 2005 includes adoption rights as well as other rights that were previously only available to heterosexual couples.

In 2007, Zapatero's government was also responsible for a Gender Identity Law that allows transsexual persons the right to have their identity legally recognised, the criteria being one clinical evaluation and two years of treatment (generally hormone replacement therapy), and without demanding mandatory genital surgery or irreversible sterility. The law is, alongside with the legislation of some US states, one of the most simple and non-bureaucratic that currently exist in the world. Transsexual persons also have the right to marry persons of the opposite or same sex they have transitioned into, and to biologically parent children either before or after transitioning.

An important change in Spanish foreign policy was Zapatero's decision to approach left-wing leaders such as Cuba's Fidel Castro and Venezuela's Hugo Chávez. Zapatero has played an important role in the improvement of the relationship between the Cuban government and the European Union.

Originally Posted by trumptman

YIKES - In light of recent accusations, we're taking the opportunity to set the record straight. For a side so concerned with Tea Party hate speech, they sure seem full of rage.

DISCLAIMER: Full of harsh language and violent rhetoric. Emails and voicemails are only edited to remove names and phone numbers.

The hate of the left on full display. The photo collage shows, as typical that the very rare exception to rightist protests signs PALES in comparison to what the left promotes.

Originally Posted by trumptman

It doesn't make sense. You simply remove entire categories of actions from your definition when convenient. It also conflates cause and effect and is a prime example of the nirvana fallacy.

The reasoning is clear as day above by you and makes no sense. A leftist who fails to follow the Utopian idea state is simply doing wrong, not selectively becoming a rightist.

Hard to argue with someone though who continually redefines right and wrong for political expediency. It amounts to say, Zapatero didn't do anything wrong, he just woke up on the right side of the bed this morning and perhaps will wake up on the left side tomorrow.

Originally Posted by trumptman

What is "wrong"? When I've been shown a Leftist following a Right-wing policy I claim they are not a Leftist..that's true. It also makes sense.

That doesn't make sense. Try it with any other terms besides left and right. They do not suddenly and temporarily switch political ideologies.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Hey, the newest example of left wing extremism is from these very forums.

Originally Posted by NoahJ

He was obviously (at least I hope so) being sarcastic.

But he should be held to his own standards... He must have meant, PRECISELY, what he wrote...

Originally Posted by trumptman

However this bad analogy is not what you are claiming. This would indeed be a wholesale conversion.

Your analogy would be along these lines. Frank attends service on Sundays, goes to Wednesday Bible study and tithes his 10%. He also spends every other Thursday humping Sarah who, by the way, isn't his wife.

The reasoning you put forward makes Frank a 98% Christian and then 2% whatever label you would want to apply to someone who screws their neighbor every other week. From what you claim, he could never be a Christian who does wrong, merely a Christian who stops being a Christian at certain times.

That makes no sense. It is Utopian because it defines certain classes of people as perfect. They never stop being perfect, they just step outside the classification of what is perfect for periods of time and then resume being perfect.

Frank is a perfect Christian. When he is screwing his neighbor, he isn't a Christian at that time. At that time he is something else.

It doesn't work that way sorry to say.

Originally Posted by trumptman

I don't think he was being sarcastic at all. It is clear via abortion, euthanisia, and now lack of energy and economic growth due to green policies that folks of this nature believe the human population must be managed and the weak culled from the flock so to speak. The entire history of socialism, and the belief that science is the only force that guides all of society shows this to be true.

Why killing a couple billion humans, it is no different to them then slaughtering some cows to prevent the spread of disease. Carbon dioxide is the disease according to them, and if two billion murders won't stop it, then perhaps three billion murders will by their reasoning.

Remember that phrase... quality of life.... it masks the murder.

Originally Posted by segovius

You see the problem is that Trumpt is an exceptional case - in many ways very 'special'. And in order to connect with him (I mean try to) you have to speak his language.

We all have our own methods (mine is whenever Trumpt insists that all British people are Australians I nod furiously and put on a funny hat with corks on it and grap a tinnie) and this is probably Wormhole's too... it might help to look at it like this:

1) Trumpt calls 'helping old ladies across the road' mass murder...

2) rational posters try to politely point out that there might be an error there

3) After a while of pointing this out to him that mass murder is something very different and realizing he will never get it you have to - in order to communicate - say, "yes, I think we should all mass murder more often".

Except then when you do that the definition suddenly changes back to what it should be all along but that's a different story....

Originally Posted by segovius

A little judicious culling often happens in the way of things - large scale wars serve that purpose I believe. It's probably more Darwinian than Socialist.

Though I guess some people should be removed from society - don't Wingers all have the hots for the death penalty?

If you add up all the people that get killed that way it's quite a lot and Wingers think it is a good thing. Its not genocide of course as it is not based on race but then again nor is what you are talking about and wrongly accusing another poster of.

So I don't see why you should see a problem.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Frank attends service on Sundays, goes to Wednesday Bible study and tithes his 10%. He also spends every other Thursday humping Sarah who, by the way, isn't his wife.

Originally Posted by Frank777

The freaky thing is that I actually have a friend named Sarah.

Originally Posted by trumptman

BTW, be prepared to die if you tell a good socialist they have to retire at 63 instead of 61.

Originally Posted by FloorJack

The system worked.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Maybe he's just Frank and then when he does something not defined as Frank he becomes Tom or George instead.

Originally Posted by tonton

Can I be frank with you? That sounds like a hell of a lot of Politicians. Especially the breathing ones, as well as the ones who claim to be against earmarks, spending or big government.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Obama has just decided to add 2.2 trillion more to the deficit by extending and making permanent the Bush tax cuts. How do you personally defend something like that?

Originally Posted by trumptman

Illegal use of bad pun. 15 yd penalty.

It sounds like a lot of politicians. There is a reason I tried to examine this with the boomer thread. It looks like an entire generation of politicians, regardless of party, believe they are above the rules. Obama has just decided to add 2.2 trillion more to the deficit by extending and making permanent the Bush tax cuts. How do you personally defend something like that?