Originally Posted by jimmac
Trumpy you must realize that anyone unfamilure with the antics going on here would come in and just read some of the titles to your threads and laugh themselves silly. You understand that right?
And I assume you mean Generic polls. Could you provide a recent link showing that +7?
I understand that while your folks are falling 20+ points in the polls (Obama specifically) and while the generic vote has swung a solid 10 points, you want to still put forward the same claims and attempt to use ridicule instead of reason to engage in discussion.
Originally Posted by Northgate
Trumptman's just trying to point out that his hypocrisy is no different than our hypocrisy.
Originally Posted by Aquatic
+1 cool points.
Trumpt, I just saw a poll that said 98% of conservatives always agree with the science and the numbers, when it proves their point. OK I made that up. But...that would explain the "global warming is made up and I didn't pay attention in CHM 101" arguments your cohort is advancing in the climate thread here. That actually pushed me out of PO basically for good. You can't argue with ignorant people unless you're brilliant, or a comic, or both. I'm neither unfortunately for me.
I think your own language shows the problem. Claiming something PUSHES you out of a place when all your own actions are required to engage or disengage the place is just so typical of the liberal mindset. You've got all the answers but someone else is always responsible for throwing all the levers to make it happen. It is pure know-it-all attitude. Only like most know-it-alls who want those who get things done using the method of those who get nothing done, it just gets ignored.
Anyway, trumpt...come on. McVeigh, conservative. Guy that just flew plane into IRS building. Conservative. Pentagon shooter just recently: conservative. Uumm...9/11 terrorists: conservative. (Just talking pure polisci 101). I can't think of any leftist violent people. Maybe that's because they don't like guns or violence?
Yes clearly MSNBC and your own reading has informed you well about this when the depth of analysis is "guy who flew that plane." Claiming to fight ignorance while demonstrating it is just embarrassing and I can see why one would avoid discussion and leave rather than keep having this point noted as I am doing to you right now.
The environmentalists and animal rights people are perhaps one of the only exceptions. And there...well, I don't condone their methods. And again, they don't nearly approach the damage done by McVeigh. Or plenty of other conservative nutbags.
Yes and most of us would note Pot Pol, Mao, Stalin, and just a few others as well. Also you magically forget historical baggage when it suites you. You know like how the Democrats caused the Civil War over slavery. Al Gore's father was one of the Senators filibustering the Civil Rights Act. Even now it is happening but those selective blinders are in place. It isn't Republicans noting that Obama couldn't sell watermelon in the side of the road, it is DAN RATHER. When Republicans have someone praise a former segregationist, he steps down. The Democrats are the party that still has former klan members actively serving in the Senate. We all know it must be okay because he is former and still hasn't made any notable "white n*gg*r" comments lately.
Trumpt I am disappointed. You used to disparage poor logic and dishonorable tactics. You remind me of McCain, when he was asked bluntly if he was now using the very same dishonest tactics he so often disavows, in an interview once he started running for President, I think the View or something and he had to admit "yes" he was doing the dishonest things he had so roundly criticized.
Be disappointed. Nothing has changed about me. I'm not the guy wandering in half-informed telling everyone else what to think and do.
It always seems like liberals try to base arguments on facts. Do we get stuff wrong? Sure. Everyone gets stuff wrong. When you crunch numbers, you'll make mistakes every now and then.
How wrong was the effectiveness of that now $870 billion dollar stimulus? How do you insure 40+ million more people for billions less per year and not have rationing of health care? How do you take a program, Medicare, that is predicted to not only go broke as a program but has future liabilities worth more than the entire net-worth of the entire United States, have it underpaying doctors and suffering from massive fraud, and say yes please extend this to everyone and now the numbers will magically get better.
We aren't talking about numbers that are wrong. We are talking about entire philosophies that are wrong. Japan has been trying Keynesian economics for almost two decades and it has destroyed their entire economy and they still have no real growth to speak about.
But it seems like conservatives, particularly politicians and pundits, and their fans, are more intellectually dishonest. Thus I have stopped hanging out here in PO. It's like when some idiot lady asked about Obama's birth certificate last year and MA Congressman Barney Frank told her he didn't want to answer her question because he might as well be talking to a coffee table or something equally devoid of intelligence.
Barney Frank must be as bright as a coffee table himself because while claiming this woman is an idiot, she likely would have noticed a brothel being run out of her living room. It took Barney Frank a while to figure that one out. Oh, but he does have all the answers!
Peace protesters... violent domestic terrorists? I just get an image of a long-haired, retired hippy...peace pins, sweater made out of hemp...probably sipping coffee, kicking back.....packing a DOZEN Uzis!!! Ready to blow you away!
I hope you continue to deal with imagery. Go to the pretty idiot box and get some more of it to fill in the blanks in the brain. Let the pretty imagery fill up the places where thought might have occurred. Go watch some Daily Show and grab you some Keith O. Let the rants and caricatures fill what might have been thought. Then you can ignore history, and numbers and statistics and complain about informed posts with a rant of your own whereby you have the high ground and everyone else is an idiot. Rinse, repeat, and wash.
Originally Posted by O-Mac
"Crazy" does NOT pick a side, Left OR Right.
True and to add to that, the exception does not prove the rule. However to have a little fun, we can revisit how brilliant and deep thinking all the folks were who signed the petition to ban water.