Originally Posted by dreyfus2
I do not know about other US companies, but I can safely say that several European companies do a lot more. From much more precise supplier terms (Apple's are really superficial), frequent random checks, providing anonymous complaint hotlines, to even putting undercover workers or permanent reps into companies, if there are any doubts. (No, I am not saying that solves all the problems – but it sure makes it less convenient for the bad boys.) Apple pretty much relies on paperwork, and that is more CYA than efficient. So, their checks indicated that a huge amount of their suppliers does not pay enough and that people do work too many hours... does that help? There are several developing countries with high industry standards throughout Asia. If China is unable an unwilling, move elsewhere... If this increases production cost by 2-3% (hardly more), so what?
Please give several examples of such European companies! That way it'd be easier to see how different they are from Apple: size, kind etc.
I wonder if Apple could emulate such honorable practices.. From your comment one might infer that Apple is knowingly looking the other way from these problems!
The other Q: where does compliance end, and nation building begins? If one is not a Saint, are they a Devil?
What are you basing your 2-3% production costs increase estimate on? Are you in a similar business? Where you at the Apple meetings when those decisions where made?
Have you shared your suggestions with Apple? If so, how did that go? If you have not, why not?
I am not looking to start a fire here, just sharing a Q...peter236:
Probably, Foxconn has operations in many developing countries. They are the leaders in contract manufacturing. It is not China's problems, it is Foxconn's problem. Even if Apple moves to some other country, it will still be Foxconn's factories.
If Foxconn is a leader, then there are followers, right
!?! I.e. Foxconn is not the only one.... Thus Apple does have other options, right?
Unless one knows all that Appe's execs know about how to do put it all together, how is anyone really qualified to advise? Anyone can criticize, but, as they say - the devil is in the details...
One more point on SECRECY:
I heard about the criticism of US Military advertising in advance an offensive in a particular area of Afghanistan. That gave Taliban a chance to mine roads with mines. True or not, it's best to not telegraph the next punch. Yes, maybe decoys, in lieu of a reverse psychology is a tactic too, but none of those are a perfect science...
I am glad to see this discussion, and I hope that Apple is monitoring it, but I wonder how wide this discussion is. Are we just a few people reading this Forum, or is this something that is a really wide, worldwide concern?
Are Apple's hands the dirtiest, bloodiest out there, when it comes to outsourcing etc? I doubt it...
Apple is a leader, so it's no surprise that it'll the get most criticism. No success comes without its mistakes!
I am not qualified to judge Apple, and I wonder if everyone who criticizes Apple is either, no matter how knowledgeable they appear to sound!
I guess Apple could have a PR Czar who would take on every single rumor, allegation etc. Sometimes I wish they had one, but then I realize that if they did, there would be a whole army of those who'd keep that PR Czar busy, in order to keep themselves visible, in the news, and thus artificially important. That would change the topic from what Apple does... Such concept already exists outside technology -- just turn on the TV, and you'll see a bunch of pundits appearing on similar shows on various Networks in US. I guess the the rest of the world might adopt such trends, if they haven't already! The pundits constantly look for a fresh new "meat" to keep themselves visible, and thus working... Apple can't ignore all pundits, but it can't pander to them either...
Apple sets their own agenda, and protects it... We all have our Wish Lists... And so it goes...
No, I am not a fan boy, but I have thought about that stuff a bit, so I though I'd share...