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post #41 of 275
2/17/10 at 11:47pm
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Originally Posted by vvid View Post

The article's feature table makes particular mention that voice/data can't be used at the same time using CDMA on the competing Smartphones, but conveniently doesn't mention that the iPhone doesn't even support CDMA.

How about some journalistic integrity, AppleInsider.

Everyone knows that. It's not news.
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post #42 of 275
2/17/10 at 11:56pm
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

Android is just getting started. The iPhone is 3 years of the same stuff and the iPad (given the demo) so is the iPad (such a bad name).

Android today from an OS point of view is supieri or in almost every category.

I read a great posting today. The iPhone is like the pre-teen kids phone. Easy to use but can't do enough to hurt them. Android is for the mature smartphone user. Elegant, Intuitive and a work horse that you can still have fun with.

Just getting started? The difference is 1 year.
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post #43 of 275
2/17/10 at 11:59pm
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Originally Posted by xyzzy01 View Post

I've got a couple:
  • Skype. It's an integral part of my daily workflows and communications at work, and I also use it home.
  • Spotify. We don't have pandora here, but we do have spotify
  • (actually, any audio or radio app that isn't the ipod application)

Also, many applications would work better. Take IM - if you are doing something else today, you'll get a notification. Good. But seeing it and replying requires you to quit your current application (and lose state...), start the IM app (slow) and then start the original application again.

The iphones today are more powerful than a computer just a couple of years back, so they certainly can handle multitasking paradigms that have been in use on lesser hardware for decades. The biggest concerns would be battery life and security - that something can't run in the background "below the radar".

But how are you going to truly run Skype at the same time as another app. You only have room on your screen for one thing at a time.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for more features. I just don't know if "true" multi-tasking is a necessity.

I use my iPhone a lot, probably more than my laptop. I just don't think it's a big deal.

I see Apple trying to take care of the Pandora/Spotify issue by offering their own version of it. Honestly, I don't care who offers it, but I agree, those stations music services are great and should be standard on a device.
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post #44 of 275
2/18/10 at 12:01am
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Originally Posted by stonefree View Post

This is as silly as the days of the iphone lacking copy and paste. Despite C&P being one of the most essential established features of computing, there were hordes defending its exclusion prior to OS3. (On a related note they also defended Apple's lack of a netbook by pointing out how full featured the iPhone was). Now it's in and it seems like a no brainer in hindsight. You may not need it all the time but when you do, it's lifesaver.

No multitasking on iPhone is bad enough but on the iPad it's a joke. Maybe you're writing a paper in iWork and you need to look something up in Safari. Simply save your work, close iWork, flip over a few screens to Safari, open it, wait for the page to load, close Safari, scroll back to the screen with iWork, reopen it, and load your document again. What could be simpler!

I also find it amusing that this is a tech forum where the majority of the members are very computer savvy, yet rabidly defend glaring omissions on the account that it's justified because it would be too confusing for suburban soccer moms.

Most of us weren't defending the idea that the iPhone lacked C/paste, though some did. What most of us were defending was that most people don't use C/paste, and so it didn't lose sales to any great extent, and Apple said that it was coming. Some people think that everything is easy, while many things are not. Technical writers were saying that to do C/paste properly, systemwide, was difficult. When Apple did come out with it, it was admired as being the best solution available. Then they allowed all earlier phones to get it as well. That's something!

The same is true for multitasking. While some older phones may not get this it's possible that the3GS will. We'll just have to wait and see.

As far as your soccer mom reference goes, it's not really fair. If you think you're a superior human being because you know a little computerize, that's great for you! But most of the world doesn't care for it, or your claiming that superiority. If you really want a geek phone, buy the Droid. It's made for boys like you, with the flaming meteoroids, and other manly references and all. The iPhone is very popular because people can use it without having to go to geeks like you think you are, and asking how to use it.

Netbooks have nothing to do with this argument.
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post #45 of 275
2/18/10 at 12:03am
Aren't all iPhone apps supposed to save state upon exit, if that's even remotely beneficial? I might be mistaken, but wasn't that one of the initial requirements?
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post #46 of 275
2/18/10 at 12:05am
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Originally Posted by donlphi View Post

But how are you going to truly run Skype at the same time as another app. You only have room on your screen for one thing at a time.

Implementation of multitasking usually doesn't involve sharing screen space - rather it's usually done like the way Safari handles multiple webpage tabs.
lmao internet
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lmao internet
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post #47 of 275
2/18/10 at 12:08am
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Originally Posted by xyzzy01 View Post

I've got a couple:
  • Skype. It's an integral part of my daily workflows and communications at work, and I also use it home.
  • Spotify. We don't have pandora here, but we do have spotify
  • (actually, any audio or radio app that isn't the ipod application)

Also, many applications would work better. Take IM - if you are doing something else today, you'll get a notification. Good. But seeing it and replying requires you to quit your current application (and lose state...), start the IM app (slow) and then start the original application again.

The iphones today are more powerful than a computer just a couple of years back, so they certainly can handle multitasking paradigms that have been in use on lesser hardware for decades. The biggest concerns would be battery life and security - that something can't run in the background "below the radar".

iPhones are certainly NOT more powerful than computers "... a couple of years back." More powerful than a medium speed dual G4, but that's about it. Maybe the next one will equal a fast G4.

But these are phones as well, and as such have a number of tasks to do that regular "computers" don't have to bother with. In addition, Apple was using video cards to share the workloads back when the G4 was out. The gpu in their phones still don't reach those levels. They also don't have the fast busses and other structure that computers have. It's oversimplification to compare them to regular computers at all. Maybe in a few years, but not yet.
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post #48 of 275
2/18/10 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Everyone knows that. It's not news.

The implication is that Apple chose the standards that allow for simultaneous voice and data.
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post #49 of 275
2/18/10 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by anonymous guy View Post

If you don't like Apple, you're a viral marketer.

If you talk badly about Apple, you're a PAID viral marketer.

It's not likely he gets paid. It's likely that he's just one of those few that come here to be a problem for people, and enjoys getting people annoyed. Otherwise, he and those others would inhabit the Android forums instead, lapping up the joy over there.
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post #50 of 275
2/18/10 at 12:14am
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Originally Posted by kari.patila View Post

Aren't all iPhone apps supposed to save state upon exit, if that's even remotely beneficial? I might be mistaken, but wasn't that one of the initial requirements?

I've got abut 100 apps. Most of the ones that would benefit from tha,t do it.
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post #51 of 275
2/18/10 at 12:14am
I've been using a Windows Mobile phone for the past 7 years. To me, I've never found much use for multi-tasking on a small screen, low resolution, low-powered PDA device. It's rather annoying actually b/c your device will slow down if you forget to quit your programs. I've used an iPhone for 2 years and haven't really had the need for complicated multi-tasking either. However I do see a need for multi-tasking for background process for 3rd party apps. For example, don't you hate it when you're playing a game or typing up an email, when suddenly someone calls, and you lose all your data? That's probably the only complaint I have about about it.
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post #52 of 275
2/18/10 at 12:16am
Remember the uproar about Cut and Paste not being on the iPhone? So many people claimed the device was sub-par without it, practically unusable. Now that Apple has updated the OS to include Copy and Paste, no one seems to care that it's there or even to be using it much. In fact, I now routinely hear complaints from users that the pop up is annoying and gets in their way.

I highly suspect the negativity about Flash and Multi-tasking will prove to be every bit as "important" in the near future.

Some people just like to complain. Some people just like to complain about Apple. Most of us just want devices that are simple to navigate and work reliably. Thankfully Apple provides just that with the iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad. Luckily, if someone doesn't like those choices there are plenty of other devices for them to choose form. I suggest they go get one, have fun and try to stop complaining.
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post #53 of 275
2/18/10 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

The implication is that Apple chose the standards that allow for simultaneous voice and data.

Assuming that the rumors about Verizon weren't true, or were intended to get AT&T to give them a better deal.

But now, it's possible for CDMA operators to do this too, from a new standard for it that was put out late last year. The question is whether the CDMA operators will want to spend the money to upgrade their networks for it.
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post #54 of 275
2/18/10 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by BonScott View Post

Can you list any practical examples that would require multitasking rather than Apple allowing certain services to be called upon?

I'll give you four, but there are plenty.

1. Use a 3rd party alarm app to set an alarm. If the app is not the last thing running on the iPhone before you go to bed, the alarm won't sound.

2. I was checking out the well reviewed NPR app and started listening to the Car Talk podcast. As I was listening, I clicked on the button to send the link to a friend. The Mail app started and stopped the podcast. I have to go to the restart the app again, find the podcast again and start playing - from the start.

3. On the Android, I have an adblocker app that downloads a large hosts file and replaces the phone's hosts file (The fact that I can do this, in itself, is one of the reason I switched to an Android). All this happens in a background thread.

4. I don't have to scroll through pages to find the icon to start the app while switching between them. And when they start, the state is maintained and I start where I left off.

Quite simply, unless the next version of the iPhone adds multitasking, widgets and a better notification system, the iPhone will continue to slide further and further behind the Android.
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post #55 of 275
2/18/10 at 12:27am
Someone hasn't done their homework on PalmOS and its (admittedly limited) multitasking capabilities.
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post #56 of 275
2/18/10 at 1:01am
Can anyone point me to any Windows Mobile or Android virus or I can talk about another FUD, erroneous and bashing article of our beloved Daniel Eran Dilger?
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post #57 of 275
2/18/10 at 1:05am
[CENTER]To be quite honest...

I find Apple's mobile OS to be little more than an app/widget launcher rather than (what many have come to know as) an actual operating system, so multi-tasking on such a 'modal' platform really isn't all that compelling given the associated limitations as dictated by its core mission, which is to run one app/widget at a time.[/CENTER]
"Why iPhone"... Hmmm?
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"Why iPhone"... Hmmm?
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post #58 of 275
2/18/10 at 1:06am
Somebody wanted a list of practicle examples of backgrounded apps on iphone, heres my list:


Software running in background ### software in foreground

-file uploader/downloader ### Use any app in the meantime while loading some files to the server eg photos, documents
etc. eg "air sharing" / readdledocs / dropcopy
-Sporify or any internet radio streaming app. ### phone, calendar or any other app.
-navigation software (voice use) ### Phone, you can go back to nav app now after you have answered so its not that big of a deal
-skype ### recieve calls while doing something else
-GPS tracking software (to record trail) ### any other app
-Some other datacollecting software ### any other app
-safari ### do something else while your gprs connection downloads webpages (for several minutes)....
-mail ### download some attachments on slow network and do some use in the meantime...
-cisco webex meeting ### use mail. eg. while on meeting

Dont tell me that these wouldnt be usefull. THESE WOULD BE KICKASS!!!!

I would only need to use ONE third party app in the background at a time and I would be 300% happier!!!! . The third party app would be user definable easily. Maybe ask when exiting if you want to change this app to the backgrounded app. And this wouldnt be possible to leave app backgrounded if its of no real use like games, video, etc.
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post #59 of 275
2/18/10 at 1:29am
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

Because Apple may ban you now from your iTunes log in if you do. Do some research.

If you can't beat them ban them.

Argh, argh. Stop the stupidity. It hurts.

Apple have banned app developers from the App Store if they are known to also assist in the development of tools to jailbreak the iPhone.

Seems a little pointless (surely they'll just set up a new account a plunk down another 100 bucks); but not unreasonable. What Apple are not doing is banning people who have simply jailbroken their phone.

Do some research: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02...phone_hackers/
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post #60 of 275
2/18/10 at 1:31am
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Originally Posted by yensid98 View Post

Remember the uproar about Cut and Paste not being on the iPhone? So many people claimed the device was sub-par without it, practically unusable. Now that Apple has updated the OS to include Copy and Paste, no one seems to care that it's there or even to be using it much. In fact, I now routinely hear complaints from users that the pop up is annoying and gets in their way.

I highly suspect the negativity about Flash and Multi-tasking will prove to be every bit as "important" in the near future.

Some people just like to complain. Some people just like to complain about Apple. Most of us just want devices that are simple to navigate and work reliably. Thankfully Apple provides just that with the iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad. Luckily, if someone doesn't like those choices there are plenty of other devices for them to choose form. I suggest they go get one, have fun and try to stop complaining.

ARGH!!!

You wont hear me complaining about copy-paste as a corporate user I think its compulsory and I use it all the time... Just because some ipod user doesnt use it doesnt mean it shouldnt be implemented. We can discuss on how its implemented as its not what I had anticipated it do be. But I have learned how to use it (it wasnt that obvious at first)

And if there were a platform that i could sync my music library with (something decent) then i probably would switch eg android. But the competiton isnt quite there but almost....

Androids media software stinks from anything I have read. If apple doesnt do something about backgrounding in 4.0, then My next phone might not be apple. But if I get some kind of backgrounding (no, not intrested in jailbreaking because of the update hastle) then my 3G would get new life again...
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post #61 of 275
2/18/10 at 1:50am
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

The ability to suspend tasks would be nice (independently of whether they are allowed to run or not in the background). It is quite tedious having to quit and restart apps.

Agree. Apple could implement this invisibly and it would offer the main benefit of multitasking without the problems associated with offering background execution.

C.
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post #62 of 275
2/18/10 at 2:02am
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

This article could have been written in the 90's period. There is no excuse not to offer Multi Tasking for All Apps.

If this is they path MS Phone 7 chose to take they made a mistake.

60,000 Android devices being shipped each day (that is 60k per day in phone sales that Apple is losing)

That was the quote of the week that AI chose to not post.
It took a few days for BoyGenius (BoyDumbass) to report. It was made at the MWC this last week.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/...pped-each-day/

Google has multi tasking and Flash 10.1 on at least one shipping phone.

There is an entire world outside of AT&T and Google has decided to give them the opportunity of experiencing true unlimited multi tasking.

Mobile phone chip sets are more than capable of running multiple tasks (other than decided by Apple).

You don't need to Jail Break your iPhone to experience it.

I don't need 140k apps. I want a phone that can run web apps (HTML5) and for now Flash.

Apple and AI don't make excuses for your OS. Every other smart phone has multi tasking and will soon have Flash.

A simple formula - if you don't like it, don't buy it. See how that works??
2011 13" 2.3 MBP, 2006 15" 2.16 MBP, iPhone 4, iPod Shuffle, AEBS, AppleTV2 with XBMC.
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2011 13" 2.3 MBP, 2006 15" 2.16 MBP, iPhone 4, iPod Shuffle, AEBS, AppleTV2 with XBMC.
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post #63 of 275
2/18/10 at 2:09am
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

As far as your soccer mom reference goes, it's not really fair. If you think you're a superior human being because you know a little computerize, that's great for you! But most of the world doesn't care for it, or your claiming that superiority. If you really want a geek phone, buy the Droid. It's made for boys like you, with the flaming meteoroids, and other manly references and all. The iPhone is very popular because people can use it without having to go to geeks like you think you are, and asking how to use it.

Netbooks have nothing to do with this argument.

No I think it was a valid reference and not condending. I don't think I'm superior because of my tech skills and most of friends are actually non-techies. But there is irony of tech savvy people on this forum who eagerly hail even the smallest improvement in the iPhone who then say it doesn't need something as useful as multitasking.

I'm not interested in any of that crap you mentioned. I love my iPhone 3G and my MBP unibody. If Apple made a mid range tower, I'd buy it in a second. But I can't help but notice all the Orwellian doublethink that goes on among Mac fans and I point it out. Two years ago these people were saying Apple didn't need to allow third party apps, now they celebrate the app store as the defining feature. As for your condescending remarks - you spend all day on a computer forum, reading every post and replying at length. Nuff said. Some of us have a life.
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post #64 of 275
2/18/10 at 2:10am
So how's the system wide cut and paste on Android coming along?

I noticed that on an HTC Magic that what you can select to cut or copy is extremely limited.

I wonder why Task Killer applications are so popular in the Android Marketplace, there's plenty of fart applications and quite a few "free" applications that are nothing more than a link to a functional paid version.

I've got 4.5GB of iPhone Apps that I look forward to transferring to a new iPhone, can Android give me that?

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Originally Posted by habi View Post

ARGH!!!

You wont here me complaining about copy-paste as a corporate user i think its compulsory and i use it all the time... Just because some ipod user doesnt use it doesnt mean it shouldnt be implemented. We can discuss on how its implemented as its not what I had anticipated it do be. But I have learned how to use it (it wasnt that obvious at first)

And if there were a platform that i could sync my music library with (something decent) then i probably would switch eg android. But the competiton isnt quite there but almost....

Androids media software stinks from anything I have read. If apple doesnt do something about backgrounding in 4.0, then My next phone might not be apple. But if I get some kind of backgrounding (no, not intrested in jailbreaking because of the update hastle) then my 3G would get new life again...

"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.

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"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.

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post #65 of 275
2/18/10 at 2:24am
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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post

A simple formula - if you don't like it, don't buy it. See how that works??

As a retort, not very well, I'm afraid.

There is one in use case in particular that I am interested in.

Tracking my run through run keeper. When you're busting your balls on a run and you get an SMS or a phone call you have to dismiss the dialog with the correct button. If you miss the button and hit the wrong one, the run keeper gets preempted and your GPS tracking is gone. Thanks iPhone. In fact, this use case does not even need multitasking (in the user app sense of the word). Why not have the OS continue to log GPS data where an app that is shut down was using that part of the framework for a certain period of time. I'm sure the runkeeper guys in the init could pop the queue and fill in the gaps.

I would like to be able to listen to streaming music as well, but if the iPod part could handle music streams that that problem also goes away.
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post #66 of 275
2/18/10 at 2:30am
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

If you really want a geek phone, buy the Droid. It's made for boys like you, with the flaming meteoroids, and other manly references and all. The iPhone is very popular because people can use it without having to go to geeks like you think you are, and asking how to use it.


And why someone has to ask a geek how to use the Droid?
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post #67 of 275
2/18/10 at 2:33am
It is a clever solution to extend the API to background server apps (or daemons).
Extending the core facilities of the OS is the right way I think.

But another type of solution to the background app problem is possible.
Unix operating systems use 'nice' and 'renice' to kind of throttle the CPU bandwidth used per thread (or process). Nice and 'renice' isn't working as well as it could - at least on all Unixes (including Linux) I know of - but it is possible to implement real CPU bandwidth throttling.
This is not a trivial kernel extension and it will take time to implement it.

With CPU bandwidth throttling it is easy to restrict all background apps to a maximum of (say) 10% CPU performance. This will guaranty enough cycles will be available for powerful foreground apps and system services, but it will also allow for third party background apps without performance degradation or user management.

Even Apple itself can use the enhanced kernel to achieve better (guaranteed) performance for its own apps and system services.

This kernel enhancement is not easy to do, even for Apple, but it would be a true long term solution to the performance problem in general and the third party background apps in particular.

J.
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post #68 of 275
2/18/10 at 2:55am
The most thorough analysis of different kinds of multitask scenarios, I have seen, can be found here:
http://db.tidbits.com/article/10989
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post #69 of 275
2/18/10 at 3:02am
I wonder why Symbian and Blackberry OS (the 1st and 2nd most popular smartphone platforms) were left off the table.

Talk about cherry picking data.

And let's get real about this "can't handle voice and data simultaneously" BS. That's a limitation of the network, not the OS. Why is it included on a table listing operating systems? It's irrelevant. If we are going down that rather dubious route then why is there no mention of the fact that most GPRS/EDGE networks can't handle voice and data simultaneously either?
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post #70 of 275
2/18/10 at 3:17am
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

So how's the system wide cut and paste on Android coming along?

I noticed that on an HTC Magic that what you can select to cut or copy is extremely limited.

I wonder why Task Killer applications are so popular in the Android Marketplace, there's plenty of fart applications and quite a few "free" applications that are nothing more than a link to a functional paid version.

I've got 4.5GB of iPhone Apps that I look forward to transferring to a new iPhone, can Android give me that?

Im not saying that there is any perfect contender for the iphone right now. If there were I might have switched. What I ment that if someone delivers about what the iphone does now on the platform (appstore excluded) with somekind of backgrounding I have to say that I might switch. Im getting really sick of people that dont need some feature that someone else needs and start shooting them down. If apple isnt doing any real R&D effort on this front (backgrounding 3rd party apps) then Im sorry but the train will eventually catch up. I like my iphone 3G but i would like it just about that 300% more if it would do basically what backgrounder(on jailbreak) but in a more apple-oriented way (and you might even file bugreports on a feature ) I also understand the limits of mobile phone memory and as such am willing to limit backgrounding to 1 app at atime by my choosing. That would be a good compromise and keep alot of people happy, thats my 2 cents anyway.
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post #71 of 275
2/18/10 at 3:33am
Apple's products tend to focus on doing what they do better than the competition. With Apple it has never been about products that in a bumbling fashion try to be all things to all people.

I doubt that the vast majority of folks who buy the iPad in the early going are going to be disappointed because the device isn't able to handle absolutely every imaginable scenario. It's success will hinge on how well it performs the tasks that Apple assures us it's meant for.

Based on past experience with this company, I suspect that once these devices are out in the wild, satisfaction with many aspects of the unit will render the whining about relatively minor omissions meaningless.

In time the device's capabilities will expand and if it's critical to have those additional functions - for the majority it will not be - save your money and buy Version 3.
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post #72 of 275
2/18/10 at 3:41am
After switching from iPhone to Google's Nexus one, Leo Laport has reported that multitasking in the Android phone results in serious battery drain and and an interference in the basic telephony task. It takes up to 45 minutes to recover from an interrupted call.
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post #73 of 275
2/18/10 at 3:44am
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Originally Posted by vsp View Post

After switching from iPhone to Google's Nexus one, Leo Laport has reported that multitasking in the Android phone results in serious battery drain and and an interference in the basic telephony task. It takes up to 45 minutes to recover from an interrupted call.

Can you put a link to that information? Because after using an HTC Hero since August and a Nexus One since January I haven't had any telephony interference or any serious battery drain.

The fact is that in my case the battery lasts more in the Hero and Nexus than in my iPhone 3G
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post #74 of 275
2/18/10 at 3:47am
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Originally Posted by habi View Post

... thats my 2 cents anyway.

Ok heres my 2c then if we are all chipping in wisdom from the blogosphere.

Why is it ONLY Apples fault that particular apps do not work in the background?, or when a link in an app opens the mail client and this shuts down the main app and then you have to start fresh?

Isnt this just bad coding on the part of the developers?

I mean seriously Apple isnt the only people that are writing code for the iPhone but they seem to be the only ones that are copping the flack due to badly written code on part of the app developers.

Point in case, push notifications. Why is it that some apps work with them brilliantly but then another basic app just cant get them to work right?

Is that Apples fault or the fault of the developer for not being able to code the information in correctly?

Im not saying that Apple are blameless in this whole thing, but lets look at the whole picture before we cast judgement on just one party.
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2/18/10 at 3:56am
Hey, the guy's kinda cute. If I was a girl, I might be attracted to him. I like people who can multitask!
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post #76 of 275
2/18/10 at 4:44am
All Apple needs to do is make an exception for "radio apps" that they continue to play unless they the user presses the stop button (only one radio app obviously), an option they turn off by default (the user would have to enable it) so no regular user gets confused and those who want radio are happy. They could go even further too, when someone who's playing a radio app in the background plays the iPod app that radio app would automatically stop playing, i.e. it would Quit. The same would apply to users who press play in an additional radio app, the first one would stop and Quit.

That's a real world iPhone user right there, and that's one that would be happy.

That and better handling of IM and most of the complains users have would dramatically decrease.
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post #77 of 275
2/18/10 at 4:47am
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

Because Apple may ban you now from your iTunes log in if you do. Do some research.

If you can't beat them ban them.

So over the last 3 years where there was no reports of bans for jailbreaking you were running background tasks and whatever you wanted and suddenly when two people who cracked baseband code get banned "allegedly" you get all scared.

I call bull on everything you are writing. Troll 101. You are switching arguements faster than the Pre switches cards.

BTW I have a 3rd party app, from the AppStore which is allowed to multitask and allows any app to interact with it. It's the Tom Tom car kit app.

The iPhone is not without room to grow, yawn, so are your trolling strategies.

Nexus One, oh yeah it's like so perfect, it's so amazing it won't even need an update for like 10 years, actually a friend of mine got one from his grandfather who had it since he was a kid, it's so like amazingly ahead and got everything right you can pass it on when you die

All computing is still baby land, start your rant when they are like hammers and other tools that are still the same in operation after 100 to a 1000 years. Until then, bahhhh
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post #78 of 275
2/18/10 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

This article could have been written in the 90's period. There is no excuse not to offer Multi Tasking for All Apps.

If this is they path MS Phone 7 chose to take they made a mistake.

60,000 Android devices being shipped each day (that is 60k per day in phone sales that Apple is losing)

Apple and AI don't make excuses for your OS. Every other smart phone has multi tasking and will soon have Flash.

I understand Apples position. I have turned off most of the 'notification' features of my iPhone, and don not miss flash.

I had notifications turned on for a couple apps when 3.0 came out, and it cut my battery life by 66%.

THAT is what unfettered multi-tasking will do. I expect the Win Phone 7 to FLOP. WiMo already has terrible battery life. The always connected, always refreshing mode that they presented in Barcelona won't last 3 hours (my guess) based on current battery technologies.

I expect Flash to come to iPhone. Once it is properly optimized and cleaned up. As for losing 60k phones a day, so what? By your logic, apple is losing out on millions of PC sales a month.

And yet they are the most profitable PC manufacturer, per unit, out there.
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post #79 of 275
2/18/10 at 4:58am
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With CPU bandwidth throttling it is easy to restrict all background apps to a maximum of (say) 10% CPU performance. This will guaranty enough cycles will be available for powerful foreground apps and system services, but it will also allow for third party background apps without performance degradation or user management.

What happens when that background app is, say, a streaming app (a major reason people want background apps), and throttling it to only 10% CPU effectively makes it useless?

Anyway, looking at history Steve seems to abhor multitasking as much as he abhors buttons.
Unless it becomes a major competitive issue, I wouldn't be too anxious to see background apps anytime soon.
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post #80 of 275
2/18/10 at 5:01am
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Originally Posted by djsherly View Post

As a retort, not very well, I'm afraid.

There is one in use case in particular that I am interested in.

Tracking my run through run keeper. When you're busting your balls on a run and you get an SMS or a phone call you have to dismiss the dialog with the correct button. If you miss the button and hit the wrong one, the run keeper gets preempted and your GPS tracking is gone. Thanks iPhone. In fact, this use case does not even need multitasking (in the user app sense of the word). Why not have the OS continue to log GPS data where an app that is shut down was using that part of the framework for a certain period of time. I'm sure the runkeeper guys in the init could pop the queue and fill in the gaps.

I would like to be able to listen to streaming music as well, but if the iPod part could handle music streams that that problem also goes away.

If you're busting your balls on a run, responding to an SMS or phone call seems the wrong priority. Don't bother with any explanations.
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