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post #121 of 397
NoahJ's got it right. MJ has now assumed the ShawnJ role of editor for all.

Got any more hoops you want jumped through this morning boss? Next time just write up the condemnation and ask me to sign on to it since all you've done this morning is beg and then complain about the result you asked for while also now claiming to be attacked.

Someone get the guy some decaf. Clearly we need to add a second name to the ignore list this morning. Enjoy your time there and also enjoy begging people to quote your posts for you Hassan. Trolling is as trolling does.

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post #122 of 397
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No, NoahJ, I didn't. I think you are wrong in your reading of these sentences.



Where does he mention politicians here?

He doesn't. And since when has anyone ever “broken” a politician in a polling booth? Never. Because you don’t “break” a politician. Like extreme right wing people in America, you break a window.

You "break a politician" by voting him out of office. Please do not try to tell me, being a person in America, what the vernacular means.

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The only noun in the middle sentence is “windows.” The verb “break” in the third sentence refers to this noun. That is what the preposition "them" is for.

Sorry. I’m sure trumptman appreciates you intereceding on his behalf by casting doubt on my facility with language, but it’s not a very good collection of sentences.

The sentences were not clear and were very open to interpretation as he originally posted them, granted. However, he has clarified quite concisely what his original intention was. No real skin off my nose what you interpreted honestly. His post had been edited, without showing the edit line below it so I had the benefit of only seeing his edits. Perhaps I might have interpreted it differently having seen it in its previous state, but I am not sure of that. Cheers...
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post #123 of 397
Hey folks! Vote for the Tea Party because they're different!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36059672...=MSNToolbar100

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Nevada tea party candidate facing felony charges
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post #124 of 397
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Hey folks! Vote for the Tea Party because they're different!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36059672...=MSNToolbar100

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A Nevada asphalt contractor who faces a legal challenge to his Tea Party of Nevada candidacy for U.S. Senate was hit Friday with felony theft and bad check charges in Las Vegas that allege he bounced a $5,000 business check last year.

Looks like he's perfect for Congress. He'll fit right in.

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post #125 of 397
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Looks like he's perfect for Congress. He'll fit right in.

Yes even if it's the congress from 2005!
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post #126 of 397
A Weekly Standard article recounts all the Tea Party violence from last August. The tally might surprise a few of you, but it doesn't surprise me.

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Altercations featuring Obama supporters as the aggressors hardly fit the climate-of-fear storyline of the mainstream media, so it must have come as a relief to liberals when one of the violent, racist "teabaggers" they'd been conjuring finally seemed to show up. At a St. Louis town hall meeting on August 11 hosted by Democratic senator Claire McCaskill, a white man tore away the sign of a black woman before police stepped in and escorted both parties out. The left labeled it a hate crime, saying the poster was taken because it had Rosa Parks on it. But there was more to the story than that, and it's quite plausible his motivation wasn't racial at all. There were no signs allowed inside the auditorium. In video shot before the altercation, three women with posters enter the auditorium, marching in dramatic protest style. The crowd yells, "No signs!" several times, before McCaskill herself tells them they must put them away, at which point one of the women remains standing, seeming to taunt the crowd. When a reporter comes over to inquire about her poster, the man steps in and rips it away. He was arrested on suspicion of misdemeanor assault.

On August 25, liberals were once again delighted when the Democratic party headquarters in Denver was vandalized, attributing the 11 broken windows to efforts by the "other side" to "stir up hate." It turned out the guy doing the stirring up and breaking windows was one of their own--Maurice Schwenkler, who worked for a Democratic candidate in 2008 and is a member of Denver Bash Back, a group of "radical gay, lesbian and transgender individuals," according to the Denver Post. In another act of vandalism, a swastika was painted outside black Georgia Democrat David Scott's office, and attributed by the left to a racist element on the right, but police have yet to find a suspect.

In a fitting turn of events, an August 25 town hall meeting of Virginia Democrat Jim Moran also saw an altercation. Fitting because Moran may be the only congressman with an entire section of his Wikipedia page dedicated to "assaults and threats"--featuring the congressman as the perpetrator (including a 2000 dust-up with an Alexandria, Va., second-grader).

At the Moran event, an Obama critic had his shirt ripped, and an Obama supporter was punched in the eye. According to witnesses, there was a dispute over a sign. The Obama supporter grabbed the critic's shirt, ripping it, and the critic threw the first and only punch. No one was arrested, and neither man pressed charges, police said, but from my vantage point it looked like the Obama critic reacted with more force than he should have. The rest of the event, save for one yelling pro-life protester who was ejected, went very smoothly but was reported as far more chaotic than it was.

There were also two prominent reports of people carrying guns outside Obama town halls. Police told news outlets that William Kostric was within his rights to carry a holstered hand gun in New Hampshire on August 11, even at a protest. In Arizona, where there's also an open-carry law, both Obama supporters and critics were spotted with assault weapons at an August 17 rally against Obama-care in Phoenix. None of the armed protesters threatened anyone, but MSNBC's Contessa Brewer took the opportunity to crop out the face of a black man with a firearm, even while asking if all these "white people showing up with guns" evinced a dangerous "racial overtone."

That's the full list of documented violence from the August meetings. In more than 400 events: one slap, one shove, three punches, two signs grabbed, one self-inflicted vandalism incident by a liberal, one unsolved vandalism incident, and one serious assault. Despite the left's insistence on the essentially barbaric nature of Obamacare critics, the video, photographic, and police report evidence is fairly clear in showing that 7 of the 10 incidents were perpetrated by Obama supporters and union members on Obama critics. If you add a phoned death threat to Democrat representative Brad Miller of N.C., from an Obama-care critic, the tally is 7 of 11.

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post #127 of 397

trumpy if this keeps up all we have to do is wait until Nov. when the right will pay dearly for their violent outrage.
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post #128 of 397
The Weakly Substandard

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The Weakly Substandard is a American neoconservative opinion rag published 48 times per year. It was founded by Noise Corporation and made its debut on September 18, 1995. Its current editors are founder William Kristol and Fred Barnes. The Weakly Substandard produces The Daily Substandard with commentary and articles written for the rag's website. Other frequent contributors include Christopher Hitchens, P.J. O'Rourke, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, Stephen Schwartz, Matt Labash, and Stephen F. Hayes.

Although the rag has never been profitable and "loses more than a million dollars a year", Rupert Murdoch, the head of the Noise Corporation, had previously dismissed the idea of selling it. In June, 2009, a report circulated that a sale of the rag was imminent to Philip Anschutz, with Murdoch's rationale being that, having purchased The Wall Street Urinal in 2007, his interest in the smaller rag had been less forceful. Anschutz, for his part, has been an active patron of a number of religious and conservative causes. The Washington Exhumer reports that the Exhumer's parent company Cloudy Media Group has purchased the Substandard.

The Weakly Substandard has been described as a "redoubt of neoconservatism" and as "the neo-con bible".

I wonder if Billy and Freddy are Locked and Loaded.

I wonder if anyone thinks this rag is unbiased and objective or just publishes biased-with-intent hit pieces a la Faux Noise.
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post #129 of 397
The perpetrators of these threats and heinous vandalism against Americans - spitting on the Constitution, the rule of law, and all this country once stood for - should be prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Those who vandalized their offices and made any serious threats against them and/or their families should be punished, too.

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post #130 of 397
Older, White

You mean Boomers?

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Tea Party supporters are likely to be older, white and male. Forty percent are age 55 and over, compared with 32 percent of all poll respondents; just 22 percent are under the age of 35, 79 percent are white, and 61 percent are men. Many are also Christian fundamentalists, with 44 percent identifying themselves as “born-again,” compared with 33 percent of all respondents.

Yeah, they want a job with the ATF, they all will be in Washington DC April 19th with their job applications firmly in hand.

But, you'll have to pry them from their cold dead hands for some odd reason.
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post #131 of 397
Well, apparently the FBI have been making raids in many states for the last day or so, most notably in Michigan. It seems they're raiding extreme right wing militia organisations. Bear in mind that these are only "exceptions", these raids, and they "prove the rule" that there is no violent tendency abroad in right wing American politics.

This from Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28...ivity-midwest/

It seems they were making pipe bombs.

A spokesman from the FBI said "We weren't going to bother, because these were only exceptions that prove the rule. But we decided that if people died because of right wing violence, those deaths might have been exceptions that prove the rule but they would have been very unpleasant for their families none-the-less."

I made this quote up, ho ho.
post #132 of 397
Michelle Malkin recounts the large number of false allegations the left has used in their continual smear campaign which this thread personifies.

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— In November 2009, Kentucky census worker Bill Sparkman was found dead in a secluded rural cemetery with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest and a rope around his neck. The Atlantic Monthly, Huffington Post and liberal media hosts stampeded over themselves to blame Fox News, conservative blogs, Republicans and right-wing radio. Federal, state and local authorities discovered that Sparkman had killed himself and deliberately concocted a hate-crime hoax as part of an insurance scam to benefit his surviving son.

— In mid-October 2008, news outlets from Scranton, Pa., to ABC News to the Associated Press and MSNBC reported that someone at a Sarah Palin rally shouted “kill him” when Obama’s name was mentioned. In fact, the Secret Service (which was at the event in full force) couldn’t find a single person to corroborate the story — other than the local reporter for the Scranton Times-Tribune who made an international incident out of the claim. Agent Bill Slavoski “said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers, and not one heard the comment,” the paper reported in a red-faced follow-up.

— In late October 2008, a gaggle of liberal blogs spread the rumor that a Republican supporter of vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s had shouted that Obama was “a nigger” during a campaign rally in Iowa. Video and firsthand accounts showed that the protester did not shout “he’s a nigger,” but “he’s a redistributor.” A lefty activist at the “progressive” Daily Kos blog confirmed the truth — but to this day, the crisis-manufacturing smear stands uncorrected and unretracted across the Internet.

— In September 2009, supporters of Colorado Democratic Rep. John Salazar falsely accused a town hall protester of hurling a death threat at the congressman. Liberal blogs again disseminated the angry Tea Party mob narrative. A week later, the local press quietly reported that Grand Junction police had investigated the incident — and determined the claim was “unfounded.” A police spokeswoman revealed that “people who witnessed the interaction between the man who made the complaint and the suspect confirmed they never heard any direct threats made regarding Congressman Salazar.” Witnesses included a Grand Junction cop “in close proximity when the interaction took place.”

— In late August 2009, as lawmakers faced citizen revolts at health care town halls nationwide, the Colorado Democratic Party decried a vandalism attack at its Denver headquarters.

A hammer-wielding thug smashed 11 windows and caused $11,000 in property damage. The perpetrator, Maurice Schwenkler, turned out to be a far-left nutball/transgender activist/single-payer anarchist who had worked for an SEIU-tied 527 group and canvassed for a Democratic candidate. Nevertheless, Colorado Democratic Party Chair Pat Waak continued to blame “people opposed to health care” for the attack.

Then, as now, being a Democratic Party official means never having to say you’re sorry for smearing conservative dissent.

This is absolutely why with leftist attacks, until you have names, faces or more, you have to consider the claim a lie because they have proven they will lie to no ends to advance their political cause.

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post #133 of 397
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Well, apparently the FBI have been making raids in many states for the last day or so, most notably in Michigan. It seems they're raiding extreme right wing militia organisations. Bear in mind that these are only "exceptions", these raids, and they "prove the rule" that there is no violent tendency abroad in right wing American politics.

This from Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28...ivity-midwest/

It seems they were making pipe bombs.

I've been looking into this. It will be interesting to see what develops out of this. Interestingly none of the articles, besides the one linked above, have mentioned pipe bombs at all. All have mentioned the vague "weapons charges" but then the FBI and ATF don't have a pure reputation on this sort of thing. I'll wait to see if there is actually anything to this other than the FBI harassing a bunch of people who may be "different" and a bit "odd" but are otherwise law-abiding citizens.

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I'll wait to see if there is actually anything to this other than the FBI harassing a bunch of people who may be "different" and a bit "odd" but are otherwise law-abiding citizens.

Do you think that these militia groups pose a potentially serious threat to America's national security?
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post #135 of 397
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Michelle Malkin recounts the large number of false allegations the left has used in their continual smear campaign which this thread personifies.

This is absolutely why with leftist attacks, until you have names, faces or more, you have to consider the claim a lie because they have proven they will lie to no ends to advance their political cause.

Are you trying, with a straight face, to convince us, with a quote from Michelle Malkin, that the attested, photographed, videod and reported attacks of the homes and property of elected officials and their supporters and families last week didn't happen?

Actually, let's just cut the bullshit.

Are you saying that all this violence last week is "a lie"?

Jesus, trumptman.

You post a list, in which NOT ONE of the attacks last week is included, and you try and make the point that all the attacks this week a "smear campaign." And apart from anything, you're expecting us now to believe that the FBI, who have provided extra security for ten congressmen and have spent a whole day arresting people, are participating in a smear campaign?

That's utterly loathsome.
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Do you think that these militia groups pose a potentially serious threat to America's national security?

Not really, no. But you're free to try and convince me that they do.

More to the point though, my comment was simply a let's wait and see what comes of this. Did these people actually commit any crimes (beyond technical violations of the law)? Or were they just guilty of some kind of "pre-crime?"

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Not really, no. But you're free to try and convince me that they do.

More to the point though, my comment was simply a let's wait and see what comes of this. Did these people actually commit any crimes (beyond technical violations of the law)? Or were they just guilty of some kind of "pre-crime?"

There's always the next step. And it doesn't seem to be going in the other direction.
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post #138 of 397
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There's always the next step. And it doesn't seem to be going in the other direction.

WTF does that mean?

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WTF does that mean?

It means that jimmac is doing his usual thoughtless trolling.
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WTF does that mean?

It means that these militia's might be planning on using violence illegally and I suspect that jimmac meant very bloody violence, given what some of these groups are saying.
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It means that these militia's might be planning on using violence illegally* and I suspect that jimmac meant very bloody violence, given what some of these groups are saying.

Maybe. Maybe not. But what crimes have they committed or do you simply advocate their arrest based on the fear that they might commit some crime?

Frankly I consider Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank as people whom are a greater threat to this nation's security than I do this so-called militia groups. In fact, Barack Obama has presided over the killing of more people than all of the militia groups now in operation in the U.S.

*As opposed to the U.S. government which uses it legally.

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post #142 of 397
So the warrants were unsealed this morning: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/29/...ex.html?hpt=T2

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Nine suspected members of a militia group were charged Monday with seditious conspiracy and related charges, federal prosecutors said.

A federal grand jury in Detroit, Michigan, indicted six Michigan residents, two Ohioans and an Indianan on the conspiracy charges, plus attempted use of weapons of mass destruction, teaching the use of explosive materials and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, U.S. Attorney Barbara L. McQuade and Andrew Arena, FBI special agent in charge, announced.

The five-count indictment unsealed Monday charges that since August 2008, the defendants, acting as a Lenawee County, Michigan, militia group called the Hutaree, conspired to oppose by force the authority of the U.S. government.

Undoubtedly that last one is the most heinous of their crimes. The first and last are basically the government saying "you can't go against us." It is unclear what happened with the others. I'd sure like more details.

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Maybe. Maybe not. But what crimes have they committed or do you simply advocate their arrest based on the fear that they might commit some crime?

Frankly I consider Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank as people whom are a greater threat to this nation's security than I do this so-called militia groups. In fact, Barack Obama has presided over the killing of more people than all of the militia groups now in operation in the U.S.

*As opposed to the U.S. government which uses it legally.

Very true. I don't support that either. I don't think we should be in Afghanistan or Iraq. Targeted killings of certain terrorist, that don't include killing innocent people is OK with me, but that's gone way too far already.

I certainly don't believe anyone should be charged for no reason. Reasons for that would have to be proven beyond a doubt that actions causing harm were planned. I have no problem arresting people who are planning to commit crimes. I agree those that there are a lot of blurry lines in that process and hopefully the laws don't allow for going after people wrongly. It's a completely legitimate fear for anyone to have that they could be wrongly accused and I am weary of what government powers might become or are already regarding this.
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Very true. I don't support that either. I don't think we should be in Afghanistan or Iraq. Targeted killings of certain terrorist, that don't include killing innocent people is OK with me, but that's gone way too far already.

I certainly don't believe anyone should be charged for no reason. Reasons for that would have to be proven beyond a doubt that actions causing harm were planned. I have no problem arresting people who are planning to commit crimes. I agree those that there are a lot of blurry lines in that process and hopefully the laws don't allow for going after people wrongly. It's a completely legitimate fear for anyone to have that they could be wrongly accused and I am weary of what government powers might become or are already regarding this.

Based on these statements, I would say we largely agree here. This is part of why we have due process and open, public trials, etc. So if someone is legitimately guilty of a crime they go through a process. Which is also why we ought to be careful to assume anyone is guilty based on initial reports and news stories.

Frankly I don't know what these people have done. At this point only an accusation has been made. Well, that and the aggressive raid, detention and confiscation of people and property.

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As MJ1970 posted above, the FBIs smear campaign against Michelle Malkin continued today with the release of some information about the arrests and the charges in Michigan.

This from Fox News, which is a news channel on TV.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28...ivity-midwest/

They were planning on killing policemen and then blowing up the funeral.

Theyve been charged with seditious conspiracy, possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, teaching the use of explosives, and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction -- homemade bombs.

God damn you, FBI, and your smear campaign against patriotic violent extremists!
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Based on these statements, I would say we largely agree here. This is part of why we have due process and open, public trials, etc. So if someone is legitimately guilty of a crime they go through a process. Which is also why we ought to be careful to assume anyone is guilty based on initial reports and news stories.

Frankly I don't know what these people have done. At this point only an accusation has been made. Well, that and the aggressive raid, detention and confiscation of people and property.

Yes, but there has been louder and louder threats from more and more groups and people should express their concerns that things may get ugly. I agree that doesn't mean that we know that anyone has done anything illegal, but it seems that it's getting more likely that things could get serious.
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Based on these statements, I would say we largely agree here. This is part of why we have due process and open, public trials, etc. So if someone is legitimately guilty of a crime they go through a process. Which is also why we ought to be careful to assume anyone is guilty based on initial reports and news stories.

Frankly I don't know what these people have done. At this point only an accusation has been made. Well, that and the aggressive raid, detention and confiscation of people and property.

George W. Bush went to war with a nation over accusations. It will cost us about 2 trillion when it's done and costed around 700,000 lives.

That's much better.

Thanks to Bush we now have the tools in the patriot act to go after freaks like this. Thanks George!
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George W. Bush went to war with a nation over accusations. It will cost us about 2 trillion when it's done and costed around 700,000 lives.

That's much better.

Thanks to Bush we now have the tools in the patriot act to go after freaks like this. Thanks George!

And I consider those to be mistakes of epic proportions. Both the wars and the "patriot" act.

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Yes, but there has been louder and louder threats from more and more groups and people should express their concerns that things may get ugly. I agree that doesn't mean that we know that anyone has done anything illegal, but it seems that it's getting more likely that things could get serious.

I agree that things are getting "ugly." Personally I do not advocate or support the use of violence (by civilians or government) to achieve goals. I was merely saying let's slow down here in the rush to judgement until we have all of the facts. At this point we have accusations. We also know that the federal government has been know to lie and fabricate things to go after unpopular people and groups. I'm not saying that's the case here. But wisdom demands caution and restraint. This is what the accused in this case are claimed to lack. Becoming like them (in just another way) doesn't solve the problem.

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I agree that things are getting "ugly." Personally I do not advocate or support the use of violence (by civilians or government) to achieve goals. I was merely saying let's slow down here in the rush to judgement until we have all of the facts. At this point we have accusations. We also know that the federal government has been know to lie and fabricate things to go after unpopular people and groups. I'm not saying that's the case here. But wisdom demands caution and restraint. This is what the accused in this case are claimed to lack. Becoming like them (in just another way) doesn't solve the problem.

Again we mostly agree. I'm not sure that anyone here is making any definitive judgements though. I think instead people are voicing their concerns about the possibilities of serious events happening. The law should be properly applied and if they have done nothing wrong, then great, that's good news.
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EDIT- Sorry Mumbo Jumbo, I missed that you had already posted about this.

This looks like serious stuff-

"Nine suspects tied to a Midwest Christian militia that was preparing for the Antichrist were charged with conspiring to kill police officers, then attack a funeral using homemade bombs in the hopes of killing more law enforcement personnel, federal prosecutors said Monday.

The Michigan-based group, called Hutaree, planned to use the attack on police as a catalyst for a larger uprising against the government, according to newly unsealed court papers. U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said agents moved on the group because its members were planning a violent reconnaissance mission sometime in April."
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_516937.html
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post #152 of 397
Militias in Michigan have been playing weekend warrior for a long time. It's not something new related to the tea party people.
post #153 of 397
Every eye fixed itself upon him; with parted lips and bated breath the audience hung upon his words, taking no note of time, rapt in the ghastly fascinations of the tale. NOT!
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Every eye fixed itself upon him; with parted lips and bated breath the audience hung upon his words, taking no note of time, rapt in the ghastly fascinations of the tale. NOT!
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post #154 of 397
The Democratic Partys offices in Alaska were vandalised yesterday.

http://www.alan.com/2010/03/29/vanda...-blames-palin/

Apparently theyd been receiving threatening calls all week, and then someone threw a stone through window.

To recap on the excuses:

All these phonecalls, threats, blog posts, acts of vandalism etc., which he have seen recorded on video, and in audio, and which the police and the FBI are investigating, and have seen representatives receive extra protection from the FBI are:

Exceptions, and do not mean anything
Part of a smear campaign from the FBI / unhinged left anyway,.
Harmless (in the case of literature that invites Stupak to hang himself)
The Democrats attempt to change the subject

and have nothing to do with the outpouring of rage we saw with our own eyes after the Healthcare Reform legislation was passed, and which was whipped up on blog posts we have read and by elected Republican officials with talk of armageddon we have seen and by television commentators who called Obama Hitler, Mao and compared his policies to both fascism and communism.

___________ (insert next excuse here)
post #155 of 397
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___________ (insert next excuse here)

Are completely ignored when the left does them under a republican white house and amplified when the right does them under a democrat white house.
post #156 of 397
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Are completely ignored when the left does them under a republican white house and amplified when the right does them under a democrat white house.

Hey, I must have missed it when half a dozen Republican offices were attacked with stones, and gas pipes cut in the families of Republican congressmen, and the addresses of Republican politicians posted on blogs in the same week, and hundreds of phone calls made threatening death in the same week. I must have missed it when he FBI offered extra protection to Republican congressmen. Maybe I was on holiday when left wing militia groups agitated to blow up policemen and were indicted on charges of sedition and manufacturing weapons of mass destruction.

Why dont you give me a couple of links so I can check the comparison out?
post #157 of 397
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Hey, I must have missed it when half a dozen Republican offices were attacked with stones, and gas pipes cut in the families of Republican congressmen, and the addresses of Republican politicians posted on blogs in the same week, and hundreds of phone calls made threatening death in the same week. I must have missed it when he FBI offered extra protection to Republican congressmen. Maybe I was on holiday when left wing militia groups agitated to blow up policemen and were indicted on charges of sedition and manufacturing weapons of mass destruction.

Why don’t you give me a couple of links so I can check the comparison out?

Please. Checkout Keith Olbermann the many times he was screaming into the camera that Bush is a fascists. Student protesters shutting down speech on campus. Recruiting offices attacked. Look up the photo blogger Zombie at all the "peace" protesters advocating for a new holocaust against the Jews (israel).


Not to mention the tea party guy that got his finger bitten off by a union thug. <- there's a case of someone actually be irrevocably maimed.

The anti-war protesters that target the funerals of service men and women.

All of this and more is ignored and buried by the MSM.
post #158 of 397
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Please. Checkout Keith Olbermann the many times he was screaming into the camera that Bush is a fascists. Student protesters shutting down speech on campus. Recruiting offices attacked. Look up the photo blogger Zombie at all the "peace" protesters advocating for a new holocaust against the Jews (israel).

Not to mention the tea party guy that got his finger bitten off by a union thug. <- there's a case of someone actually be irrevocably maimed.

The anti-war protesters that target the funerals of service men and women.

All of this and more is ignored and buried by the MSM.

Well, I've just visited zombietime. I can't see anyone advocating for a new holocaust. Anywhere. Please, do send me a link to a picture of someone advocating a new holocaust.

The recruiting office attack seems be religious in motive.

Now please show us some links to where in the same week a dozen Republican offices were attacked with stones, and gas pipes cut in the families of Republican congressmen, and the addresses of Republican politicians posted on blogs in the same week, and hundreds of phone calls made threatening death following the passing of any piece of legislation. Or when he FBI offered extra protection to Republican congressmen. Or when left wing militia groups agitated to blow up policemen and were indicted on charges of sedition and manufacturing weapons of mass destruction.

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Oh... the guy with this finger. Er... I'll give you that one. Oh my god.
post #159 of 397
Here's a sample of the outrageous peace protesters that were ignored and encouraged by democrats, liberals and the MSM during the last administration. I don't remember the cries for moderation in tone and message back then.

http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Anti-semitism



Child abuse.

Young child holding a sign accusing Jews of stealing organs from dead Palestinians, at the Bus 19 anti-terror rally in Berkeley on January 16, 2005.


Advocating Violence to children.

A mother helps her young daughter play "Pin the Molotov on the Cop Car" at the Anarchist Bookfair, March 18, 2006.
post #160 of 397
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The recruiting office attack seems be religious in motive.

So if the person is left wing the motives can be parsed out between, say, religion or political affiliation then. They are not at all intertwined in that case? However for the right winger, there is no such line...
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