Originally Posted by Crimguy
Does it have to be a love/hate fest? I agree with Adobe - I think Apple has the horsepower to run flash on the ipad, so they should allow it. When the iPhone came out they said it lacked the muscle to do flash well.
Let's see. We have some anonymous poster on AppleInsider saying Apple can do it. We have Apple's CEO (based on the experience of thousands of employees) saying the trade-offs are too great. We have the experience of millions of people who admit that running Flash sends their Activity Monitor through the roof and their fans head to warp speed.
Just why should we believe that your 'I think Apple has the horsepower' is of any validity at all?
Originally Posted by AppleZilla
Please, please Apple. Install Flash into the iPad OS. I LOVE those giant web ads that push the content of whatever page I'm at two-thirds of the page down and then back up again. Flash is ever so dreamy!
Don't forget all the flashing lights and dancing movement. And it would be great if Apple had to install fans in the iPad because I'll miss that racing engine noise.
Originally Posted by ghostface147
Someone has to blink first.
Not necessarily. The iPhone did well without Flash. Adobe is still making lots of money. It could go on the way it is for quite a while - until the point when html has largely displaced Flash.
Apple's not going to blink. Adobe COULD, theoretically, by writing a decent version of Flash that doesn't require a dedicated power plant, but since they haven't done that yet, it appears to be beyond their capabilities.
Originally Posted by jwervel16
Damn, folks. Apple is probably one of three companies with the muscle to actually impact the fate of Flash. If they manage to make a big enough dent in Adobe's doughboy, we're all better off. Adobe either shapes up or ships out. Only shills or very shortsighted present-pinchers have reason to whine about this.
Microsoft is another. Note that Flash will not be on the new Windows Mobile either (yes, I know they said 'at launch', but that's the same thing they said about the iPhone). Even if it becomes available later, it won't be out until the end of the year at the earliest. If you're a developer considering how to deliver mobile content, you know iPhone doesn't have Flash. IPad doesn't have Flash. And, as of today, Windows Mobile doesn't have Flash. Not to mention that 10.1 isn't living up to its hype - it's delayed and examples on the web are slow and choppy on mobile devices.
A smart developer would have to look at all that info and very seriously consider non-Flash technologies.
Originally Posted by tundraBuggy
Such a short-sighted comment. Lets say Flash went away tomorrow for good. Do you really believe that irritating ads are going away when Flash is gone?
No, but at least my battery won't go dead 5 times as fast.
Originally Posted by palegolas
Flash is mainly used for three things:
3. Video (youtube and such)
Flash games for kids is big. But they're for computers, not for phones or pads.
They're not designed to work on minimal platforms. Everything else is easy to replace. I other words, no need for Flash in my daily life.
I'm not sure I agree with the latter part. For example, my daughter plays Webkinz which is Flash-only. That would be great to play on an iPad - it doesn't require a full blown computer. It would be nice if they coded that site in something other than Flash (not to mention that there are entire bulletin boards dedicated to how bad the current Webkinz is, apparently because of its Flash architecture.
Originally Posted by RichL
So when is Apple Insider going to stop using Flash? I'm seeing some very
annoying Flash adverts at the moment.
Good point. Let's have the Apple sites lead the way!
Originally Posted by Jerseymac
The real reason you will not see Flash on the iPad is so Apple can force you to buy content on iTunes. It's a ploy.
Nonsense. You don't have to buy content on iTunes on the iPhone, why would you need to on the iPad?
Originally Posted by Jerseymac
Choice is good to have. The battery issue was the reason 3G was not on the original iPhone, I do believe. Now it is available with a toggle to turn it off and on. Seems to me that a system preference could solve this whole flash matter.
Ability to toggle it on and off would be the WORST of both worlds. It would allow lazy developers to continue to use Flash for their web sites because they'd simply assume that users could always turn it on.
Apple is forcing a paradigm shift - and you don't accomplish that without breaking a few eggs (sorry for the mixed metaphor). Just like the Floppy disk and serial ports, once something has outlived its usefulness, you have to take significant steps to create change. Yes, there will be some discomfort in the end, but eventually the transition is successful and everyone's better off.