Inside Apple's iPad: Adobe Flash - Page 3

Originally Posted by Clayton Bigsby

I can agree with this. I was recently at an educational conference with my MBP. I kept thinking that this would be the perfect venue for an iPad; a small device for taking notes and communicating with my coworkers via email. But, when I attended a workshop on educational sites to enrich any classroom it became painfully obvious that I would have been crippled had I been using an iPad. The presenter showed me a ton of great sites perfect for my students but I would not have been able to visit any of them since they were flash based. Having the option to turn on flash when needed would have been nice for the brief amount of time that it was needed. I would much rather have carried around a portable communication device instead of my laptop but without flash, it will be crippled for educational use. I'm no fan of Flash and will rejoice when it is replaced by something more efficient but until a viable option comes along the ability to use it when needed would be nice.

Originally Posted by kcmac

Thank you for printing the article so we don't have to watch Daniel speak. That is as painful as watching flash.


OOOOOPS! His video is on Flash!


Keep your thoughts in print. Thanks.

Apple's new iPad is being criticized for lacking the capacity to render interactive content built using Adobe's Flash platform, but the company shows no sign of reversing course.

Originally Posted by hill60

So what's wrong with teaching people to read rather than sitting there interacting with cartoons?

Originally Posted by alkrantz

I am positive the guy who writes these articles is constantly thinking about how he can include the word "Flash" in the headline. No doubt it drives his click-throughs and increases his conversion rates resulting in more money.

I'll admit the first few times I threw my two cents in, being a web developer for the last 10 years and all. But then I realized most of the people here have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and based on their comments they clearly don't actually work in the field at all.

Eventually I realized the point of these articles isn't really to say anything meaningful, and the point of the ensuing forum discussions isn't really to discuss the nature of whats really going on.

This article was posted just to drive traffic. That simple. And once again, it worked. I prognosticate that within the next week we will see another Flash related "news break".

MacRumors is really so much better.

Originally Posted by Clayton Bigsby

I agree totally with that statement. None of the sites were those silly Flash game sites. I don't have time for those but they were sites designed to extend the curriculum for gifted learners. I hate Flash just as much as the next guy but there are a few sites that have made use of it that are quite beneficial for educational. They are in the vast minority.

Originally Posted by JavaCowboy

As long as IE 6 remains the corporate browser of choice, HTML 5 will have a hard time taking off.

Originally Posted by vinney57

You have just described the entire internet.

MacRumours never posts anything to drive traffic

Originally Posted by OccamsAftershave

H.264 is open, but licensed -- codecs and hardware acceleration. The fee is modest now, but should it become a monopoly by uniform use, MPEGLA can put the hammer down any time and charge the moon.

Originally Posted by OccamsAftershave

I am gobsmacked that the article did not mention (nor did any one yet in the comments) Google's purchase Thursday of On2.

This means that Google can open source On2's old and new codecs, ending the HTML5 War for opensource that Mozilla is waging against the licensed-proprietary H.264 in favor of Ogg, thus speeding the accelerated acceptance of HTML5 because the 25% of the world using Firefox will support it.

Originally Posted by solipsism

Google has removed IE6 support from their services since most of the attacks last month were from IE6 exploits. Overall IE6 has already been pushed out as the most common version of IE.

Originally Posted by derrickh

Just wanted to note that the Flash-Bashing video embedded in the article is brought to you in part by Flash.

Ironic.

Originally Posted by JavaCowboy

OK, so IE 6 is on its way out, but IE 7 is still going strong. Last time I checked, IE 7 didn't support HTML 5, and neither did IE 8.

Originally Posted by MacMad

Thinking back to the cool-looking SI interactive reader that was demo'd.... it was made using Adobe AIR and Flex... will a lack of flash on the iPad mean this cannot be used on the iPad?

Originally Posted by solipsism

How would you interact with it? Did they rewrite to work with a finger-based touchscreen as well as a keyboard and mouse? They could always make into an App Store app. Adobe specifically made that an option because Flash apps don't work on touchscreens anyway without a rewrite.

Originally Posted by bartfat

That may be true in certain cases, but there's still the issue that too many sites rely on Flash when you could do it in plain HTML and once rendered, HTML does not suck CPU. Meanwhile, Flash will keep sucking CPU till the end of time or until you exit that Flash page. I'm actually tempted to say that you work for Adobe if you say that Flash is largely energy equivalent to simple HTML and CSS.

Originally Posted by Glockpop

The problem is that both Flash content AND open web content authored in JavaScript can be optimized by improving the rendering engine. However, if everything is done in Flash, only Adobe can do anything to improve things. If you're using web apps authored in JavaScript and web standards, then new innovations in HTML and JavaScript rendering at Apple and Google and Mozilla and whoever else in the community can compete to deliver improvements.

If you look back, Adobe/Macromedia has done very little to improve core Flash performance over the last decade, certainly nothing like the vast improvement in JavaScript that has exploded in the last few years due to intense competition in the browser arena.

This is a benefit of open source and open standards and should not be overlooked.

Originally Posted by rnp1

Steve Jobs has a grudge:
1. Why aren't people all using Quicktime rather than Flash?
2. In the 80's& 90's, only Mac's ran Photoshop and PageMaker.
3. Microsoft hired W&K to create the Windows 95's release.
4. It was all done on Macs, using Adobe. The Flag, the stolen Mac icons, not to mention the code itself. Even the Rolling Stones edit. All on Macs!
5. Bill Gates found out and demanded everyone at W&K throw away their Macs and get PCs!
6. Adobe became a traitor and rewrote all their standardized, user friendly programs for PC.
7. Microsoft bought the Mac based Movie editor, Avid, and forced audio giant ProTools onto PCs too.
8. Microsoft directly lifted the QuickTime code, but got caught before Paul Allan could rewrite it and bury the roots as was done to Mac's System, which became Windows 3.0.
9. Steve Jobs regained Apple and returned the company to being a Mac maker rather than a PC cloner/copier.
10. Adobe still writes their programs for PCs first, then makes a pseudo standardized Mac version, which is based on the cluttered, randomized PC version-so it is artistically unsatisfying, but does the job, and gives Intel a reason to build faster chips.
11. Adobe's code is bloated and over written and as unstable as any PC program.
12. Steve Jobs is still not a fool. "Fool me once...!"
13. Therefore, Flash isn't on the well protected iPhone and won't be easily available on the iPad.
14. W&K is still bullied by Nike, the purely money based charade, who has a Flashed based web site and still abuses child labor, as they pioneered over 25 years ago. Now we have WallMart and Secret Chinese Apple factories! (No Logo). Way to go Phil! (In China, he is known as, Fear Night! All the workers really do fear night, because that's when the North Korean task masters suddenly wake up and whip them for no reason). If Phil's wife ever finds out about those Illuminati/Jesuit Luciferian connections, it could cost him a very pretty Penny!
---The Real Insider---

Originally Posted by Jerseymac

The real reason you will not see Flash on the iPad is so Apple can force you to buy content on iTunes. It's a ploy.

Originally Posted by solipsism

You're right, but that is hardly an issue. There is nothing corporate websites need that require HTML5 on IE right now. The benefits of HTML5 can be seen in the consumer space, but are most relevant on mobiles where resources (including power) are limited and where current Flash apps and games simply doesn't work on a touchscreen.

Right now, the video tag is the most relevant aspect of HTML5, and it's part of every decent mobile browser. I would not be surprised to see Windows Phone 7 Series support the video tag out of the gate despite the desktop browser's lack of support. It's just too important to the mobile space for streaming video. The benefits are clear on the desktop, too, but the requirment isn't there.

Originally Posted by Gazoobee

This is a bit misleading. In almost every single case it's actually free right now, not requiring even a "modest fee."

Also, MPEGLA has stated very recently their intentions to keep it free for the next few years, so you are painting a picture of an immanent danger here that doesn't really exist.

This "great development" you are talking about here will only ignite a standards war.

H.264 is already too embedded in the products and strategies of too many companies for it to be arbitrarily dropped because "Google's working on an open source alternative"

How is Google or anyone going to develop a mature alternative with the same qualities as H.264 in anything less than a few years at minimum?

That's a way more likely scenario than the fantasy you are pushing.

Originally Posted by Zandros

To me, it seems like the real battle is with the advertising agencies and the resellers of ad space that insists on and accepts (*cough*), respectively, the use of animated advertisements. I'm reasonably sure Adobe will develop tools for whatever they decide upon, even if they ditch Flash.

Originally Posted by d_saum

Oh is that so? What content am I forced to buy exactly? And don't give me that "Hulu" crap argument. I've watched a show on Hulu maybe a total 3 times. Youtube has HTML5, Movies I get from Netflix, and tv shows.... well, I watch them on that thing called "TV" ... I know.. crazy huh? Worst case, I'll use bit torrent to find a TV if I need to see it. HD, no commercials, and NOT in flash. But hey... even with bit torrent.. I think I've only downloaded a total of 5 shows ever. The rest were watched on that crazy Tel-a-vishun thing.

So again.. what am I being forced to buy?

Originally Posted by alkrantz

I am positive the guy who writes these articles is constantly thinking about how he can include the word "Flash" in the headline. No doubt it drives his click-throughs and increases his conversion rates resulting in more money.

I'll admit the first few times I threw my two cents in, being a web developer for the last 10 years and all. But then I realized most of the people here have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and based on their comments they clearly don't actually work in the field at all.

Eventually I realized the point of these articles isn't really to say anything meaningful, and the point of the ensuing forum discussions isn't really to discuss the nature of whats really going on.

This article was posted just to drive traffic. That simple. And once again, it worked. I prognosticate that within the next week we will see another Flash related "news break".

MacRumors is really so much better.

Originally Posted by OccamsAftershave

For distributors. Currently. Not for codec and hardwaremakers.
I painted no such picture, because I said absolutely nothing about "imminent."
MPEGLA would be fools to jack the terms and include distributors before H.264 becomes the defacto only encoding used. Which they then can do anytime.
Heaven forbid. There's already standards war. What is AI's article about?
Google now owns VP8, which is better than H.264. They don't have to "work on" anything except legal documents.
If you think massive video distributors, looking at colossal growth of IPTV, are so stupid as to not diversify and put their heads in a open and shut patent noose that could be pulled before 2028, go ahead.

You apparently know absolutely nothing about On2's existing VP8.
Google must then be completely out of their minds to have bought On2. Alternate codecs are all worthless, because H.264 is a lock.

Originally Posted by rnp1

Steve Jobs has a grudge:
1. Why aren't people all using Quicktime rather than Flash?
2. In the 80's& 90's, only Mac's ran Photoshop and PageMaker.
3. Microsoft hired W&K to create the Windows 95's release.
4. It was all done on Macs, using Adobe. The Flag, the stolen Mac icons, not to mention the code itself. Even the Rolling Stones edit. All on Macs!
5. Bill Gates found out and demanded everyone at W&K throw away their Macs and get PCs!
6. Adobe became a traitor and rewrote all their standardized, user friendly programs for PC.
7. Microsoft bought the Mac based Movie editor, Avid, and forced audio giant ProTools onto PCs too.
8. Microsoft directly lifted the QuickTime code, but got caught before Paul Allan could rewrite it and bury the roots as was done to Mac's System, which became Windows 3.0.
9. Steve Jobs regained Apple and returned the company to being a Mac maker rather than a PC cloner/copier.
10. Adobe still writes their programs for PCs first, then makes a pseudo standardized Mac version, which is based on the cluttered, randomized PC version-so it is artistically unsatisfying, but does the job, and gives Intel a reason to build faster chips.
11. Adobe's code is bloated and over written and as unstable as any PC program.
12. Steve Jobs is still not a fool. "Fool me once...!"
13. Therefore, Flash isn't on the well protected iPhone and won't be easily available on the iPad.
14. W&K is still bullied by Nike, the purely money based charade, who has a Flashed based web site and still abuses child labor, as they pioneered over 25 years ago. Now we have WallMart and Secret Chinese Apple factories! (No Logo). Way to go Phil! (In China, he is known as, Fear Night! All the workers really do fear night, because that's when the North Korean task masters suddenly wake up and whip them for no reason). If Phil's wife ever finds out about those Illuminati/Jesuit Luciferian connections, it could cost him a very pretty Penny!
---The Real Insider---

Originally Posted by JavaCowboy

Consumers do much of their surfing from work. To give you an example, if Facebook were to drop IE support, the site would go probably suffer a huge drop in usage. With much of the "customers" of social networking and other "consumer" websites forced to use IE, the benefits of moving the HTML 5 are totally out of reach.