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post #82 of 125
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Originally Posted by Ctaylor2010 View Post

People are upset because they (grown adults) are being told what they can and cannot see by apple.

No they're not, because the web browsers have unfettered access so you can still access what ever smut or religion info you want via the web. Heck, you can even play porn videos on your iPhone.

What you have a problem with is Apple being a business that chooses what to sell and what not to sell, but this is just like any store in the world in a free country. I don't expect to see Hustle magazine for sale in Toy R US because it's not good for business. Apple made a decision as to what is appropriate for their store, not yours. You don't have to like it but you do have to accept it. CAPITALISM FTW!
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post #83 of 125
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Originally Posted by nite41 View Post

Why are people making so much noise about these useless apps being thrown out of the App Store? Agreed, for some people, those apps might have been the only reason to visit the App Store. But, me, as an average user, I was irritated to see these useless apps hog the limelight in the Most Popular section. Sometimes, it seemed to me that the App Store would soon start looking like YouTube (videos with thumbnails of semi-nude women)! I am grateful that Apple banned them! 5,000 less crap apps now in the App Store.
Now, some developers are crying out loud over lost income. I honestly do sympathize with you. I haven't read the fine-print of the App Store rules, but, I am sure somewhere Apple must have stated 'Rules and conditions are subject to change'. They just exercised the option. Simple.
If anyone really misses such apps, get your dose through other sources! I really do not have any sympathy for users who want such useless apps to satisfy their sexual desires!

It's not for you to decide which apps are useless and which ones are useful, and your sympathy is inconsequential. The price you pay for your freedom to say what you want and look at what you want is that you have to put up with other people saying what they want and looking at what they want.

Everyone defends free speech until someone says something they don't like.

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post #84 of 125
I still can't believe that Phil Schiller, in the same conversation said, "Putting kids and families first" (whatever the f___ that means), and then said, "Established brands are OK, big names = OK. Little guy = f you"

It's just staggering. If you read that and don't have a problem with it, well I think you might need help.
post #85 of 125
Hopefully this is all temporary while we wait for better parental controls on the AppStore... I could care less about most of these apps, but we all know where censorship leads. It would be nice if Apple gave us a better idea of what their intentions and plans are before making huge changes like this...

I agree with another poster that this is Apple's store and they should have the right to pull apps that they don't think match their image. I think that is an okay form of censorship. The same reason they pulled the Droid app. Personally though, I hope they just revamp parental controls and create some new categories so we don't have to see these apps in the popular categories. There obviously is interest in some of these apps so it is probably bad for business to totally exclude them.

If Apple is going to sell explicit music in iTunes, I don't see why they shouldn't sell explicit Apps on the AppStore.
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Originally Posted by shippster View Post

This analogy doesn't work since Sony does not provide, market or host any of the content. Apple has chosen a business model that is more problematic because they host and market the content for apps.

Correct.

The point is, would you buy a Sony TV if you were limited to Sony channels?

Would you buy the spin that the limits were because Sony was "looking out" for you?

Would it not be a bit hypocritical if they filtered content yet offered video from Playboy and Penthouse?
post #87 of 125
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

I still can't believe that Phil Schiller, in the same conversation said, "Putting kids and families first" (whatever the f___ that means), and then said, "Established brands are OK, big names = OK. Little guy = f you"

It's just staggering. If you read that and don't have a problem with it, well I think you might need help.

Agreed. That pisses me off.
post #88 of 125
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Originally Posted by Ctaylor2010 View Post

Censorship is Censorship.

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Apple made this problem by making itself the exclusive dealer in apps

I'm very surprised the ACLU (for better or worse) hasn't chimed in on this.
post #89 of 125
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

I still can't believe that Phil Schiller, in the same conversation said, "Putting kids and families first" (whatever the f___ that means), and then said, "Established brands are OK, big names = OK. Little guy = f you"

It's just staggering. If you read that and don't have a problem with it, well I think you might need help.

My thoughts exactly. I don't see a problem with pulling content, just treat everyone equal. Hopefully this is temporary until Apple improves parental controls. If that is the case, they will probably need to resubmit their apps to end up in the right categories anyway.
post #90 of 125
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Originally Posted by shippster View Post

I sell iPhones and iPods and when a parent comes in to say "How can my 10 year old get games on here" and I say "Its easy - look at the popular free apps in the top 25 free apps section Apple provides" and the parent sees 2 boob apps and one about creative positions it looks like Apple is not doing its job to market appropriately for a huge portion of its potential customer base.

Good point.
post #91 of 125
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Originally Posted by Woode View Post

This is getting freakin' ridiculous! Blocking an app that sells bikinis? Seriously?

Who complained about bikinis, anyway? Some puritanical (literally) f-wads with a website and big mouths? Bikinis? Seriously?

Now, granted, I'm not into girls in bikinis, but I sure as heck am not offended by them. And they're everywhere on TV. Seriously, check out that Hard Rock Rehab show, and other reality crap. Jeebus!

I think Apple may have to backtrack somewhat on this. Girls in bikinis and guys in speedos should be allowed. Said girls and guys being nekkid and/or doing lewd things, well... that's different. The difference being that I can go to any random beach and see the girls and guys in bikinis and such, but I don't expect to see the lewd stuff.

Yes, I realize other people's moral limits are different than mine, but COME ON! BIKINIS?!?!

Bikinis can reveal the soft supple skin of a woman's inner thigh and evoke the thought of softly caressing her.
post #92 of 125
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

I still can't believe that Phil Schiller, in the same conversation said, "Putting kids and families first" (whatever the f___ that means), and then said, "Established brands are OK, big names = OK. Little guy = f you"

It's just staggering. If you read that and don't have a problem with it, well I think you might need help.

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Originally Posted by esummers View Post

My thoughts exactly. I don't see a problem with pulling content, just treat everyone equal. Hopefully this is temporary until Apple improves parental controls. If that is the case, they will probably need to resubmit their apps to end up in the right categories anyway.

Really? You've never paid more money for a product because you had prior experience with the brand or company over a one you' had never heard of? Of course you have because your experience led you to trust a product more than others. The same philosophy applies here.

For instance, Apple is pretty sure the Sport's Illustrated Swimsuit app isn't going to start posting porn, but they can' be so sure of most App Store developers.

I see your point, but I don't think the issue is as black or white as many are making it out to be.
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post #93 of 125
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Originally Posted by bigmc6000 View Post

EDIT: Case in point from CNN's main page "Apple bans most sexy iPhone apps" - from the average joe schmo consumer standpoint that's nothing but a good thing.

Were you aware that the average guy enjoys porn?
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Originally Posted by Woode View Post

Yes, I realize other people's moral limits are different than mine, but COME ON! BIKINIS?!?!

According to some posters here, that sort of thing causes children to get raped.
post #95 of 125
It was getting pretty bad with the iWiggle Boobs apps and very pornographic "appearing" apps creeping higher and higher up into the top 10 on a daily basis... I remember looking at an app

I think it was bad PR move by apple to allow any 17+ rated apps or anything with BOOBS in the title to reach a top 50 status... There should have been a walled garden for such material and it shouldn't even be in the ranking system for other apps.

Apple screwed up and they are banning them for now.. As a sort of PR move to Moms and Dads.. who they are CLEARLY marketing the IPAD too...

Eventually they can quietly open a adults only section.. where you actually have to contact apple to verify your age or something to access it. But until then it's really not a big deal at all...
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Really? You've never paid more money for a product because you had prior experience with the brand or company over a one you' had never heard of? Of course you have because your experience led you to trust a product more than others. The same philosophy applies here.

For instance, Apple is pretty sure the Sport's Illustrated Swimsuit app isn't going to start posting porn, but they can' be so sure of most App Store developers.

I see your point, but I don't think the issue is as black or white as many are making it out to be.

Paid more money for a better product? Sure - we pay a premium for a premium product. We are on an Apple forum because we prefer a premium product. Noone has said that bigger brands can't or shouldn't charge more. That totally misses the point, which is that smaller brands aren't even available or allowed to be in the app store based on a false justification.

If the justification really is that the content is objectionable, then the SI, Playboy, Maxxim apps would also have been removed. Schiller admitted that they were given special treatment.
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

I'm very surprised the ACLU (for better or worse) hasn't chimed in on this.

It is not a civil liberties issue.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Really? You've never paid more money for a product because you had prior experience with the brand or company over a one you' had never heard of? Of course you have because your experience led you to trust a product more than others. The same philosophy applies here.

For instance, Apple is pretty sure the Sport's Illustrated Swimsuit app isn't going to start posting porn, but they can' be so sure of most App Store developers.

I see your point, but I don't think the issue is as black or white as many are making it out to be.

It wouldn't even be an issue if Apple's Parental Controls were properly in place to begin with. The privacy controls currently only allow users to block the installation of adult content.

If Apple were to simply allow those Parental Controls to block the display of the "offending" content from Top 25/What's Hot/Search as well, this wouldn't even be an issue because parents and prudes would be able to easily block the content.

All of this could have been easily avoided with that simple change. As I said before, with that in place, people wouldn't have a reason to complain at all.
post #99 of 125
I can't believe the people that claim the aren't going to buy an Iphone because Apple removed a bikini App. Obviously the problem is that as apposed to Victoirias secret, Sport's Illustrated and playboy that the retailer didn't want to be labeled as an adult App. Apple is not a totalitarian regime censoring people. If you want porn, RIP a movie and synch your ipod. Why would an adult ever pay for a flaccid softcore bikini app?

The whole thing is a bit silly and an over reaction on Apple's behalf given that there are probably better implementations at their disposal to fix the problem like better parental controls and App store organization, but obviously they are looking for a quick fix. The real problem is that every kid i know with an IPT jailbreaks it immediately and can put whatever content they want on the damned thing. I'm not sure this is Apple's problem, but it does kind of overshadow the problem apps on the store. If a kid can reset or Jailbreak how the ITS works is kind of a mute point.

Honestly it's easy to understand that Apple doesn't want to distribute anything even remotely smutty, it's not really a moral way of making a popular product and not the kind of reputation that is easy to live with; it would truly kill the product if things got out of hand. Apple has to "police" their store as best as they can and I support and applaud them in this effort, but have to acknowledge that Apple appears to be slightly floundering on this issue and it is a dichotomy that Apple should resolve once and for all. Apple adult store? LOL Obviously a bikini retailer shouldn't be left out.

On a side note... Everyone here should read some of the feedback for the "massager" apps on the ITS, they're equally disparaging (if not more so) as the feedback the "bikini" apps might have gotten and decidedly comical. The teen girls are thrilled of course, but the parents aren't happy about their little girls masturbating with their IPT's either. That's just wrong. I feel dirty.

I wonder if these apps are next to get the axe.
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post #100 of 125
And once again Americans become prurient laughing stock for the rest of the world.
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Originally Posted by alphajack7 View Post

Bikinis can reveal the soft supple skin of a woman's inner thigh and evoke the thought of softly caressing her.

Sacrilege!!!
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Originally Posted by dualie View Post

And once again Americans become prurient laughing stock for the rest of the world.

Only the fool (or the insecure) decides what's right and what's wrong by whether anyone is laughing at them.
post #103 of 125
Not only is Apple bowing to pressure from a vocal religious fringe... theyre implementing it in crazy ways

It will be weird to see iTunes with all movies over PG removed (and all G movies with swimsuits too), and half the TV shows, and half the music, and half the podcasts.... Is that whats next? Bow to pressure and more pressure will come!

Content ratings and filter options (opt-in?) can keep the scary swimsuits away from the psychologically-damaged. Theres no need for an outright ban.

I expect Apple will improve on this mistakethey often have with past bad calls in the App Store. But even if that happens, a bad call was still made.
post #104 of 125
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

I'm very surprised the ACLU (for better or worse) hasn't chimed in on this.

Really? Maybe we should have a constitutional amendment requiring Apple to sell Wobble iBoobs on the app store. Get right on that, write your congressman today!
post #105 of 125
I wouldn't mind Apple purging these junk applications (and most of them look pretty worthless) so much if Apple allowed users to download apps from any other place. Put the burden on the buyer to vet non-Apple App store purchases and live with the consequences.

The biggest problem is that Apple demands that it be the sole retailer of third-party apps. As pointed out, Apple's decisions are completely arbitrary, Playboy and SI swimsuit app - yes; iWobbleBoobs no. A while back Apple denied a political guide to Congress app approval because of unflattering caricatures drawn by a Mad magazine artist. It was later approved after a public outcry. I don't want the sole retailer of apps making moral or political decisions on what I can see and use. Let grown- ups make grown up decisions on what apps they want, even if you and I may think they are stupid. Thats what makes America great.
post #106 of 125
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

It is not a civil liberties issue.

Suppressing the contents of privately-owned devices doesn't tread on any rights?

I see. Here's looking forward to whatever Apple imposes next...
post #107 of 125
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Originally Posted by iBill View Post

Really? Maybe we should have a constitutional amendment requiring Apple to sell Wobble iBoobs on the app store. Get right on that, write your congressman today!

Laugh it up.

What happens when Apple decides that everything we do with their hardware needs to be approved by them? Forget about reading or posting to any discussions like this.

Apple used to be all about non-conformity and free thought. Now they're Big Brother. It's time to wonder if maybe Microsoft wasn't that bad....
post #108 of 125
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

I still can't believe that Phil Schiller, in the same conversation said, "Putting kids and families first" (whatever the f___ that means), and then said, "Established brands are OK, big names = OK. Little guy = f you"

It's just staggering. If you read that and don't have a problem with it, well I think you might need help.

Have you never heard of the term "marketing spin"? That's what directors of marketing do, and in this case, Apple has made Phil Schiller's job quite a challenge, no doubt about it.

But in any event, if you take everything a marketing person says at complete face value, perhaps you're the one that needs some help.
post #109 of 125
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

Laugh it up.

What happens when Apple decides that everything we do with their hardware needs to be approved by them? Forget about reading or posting to any discussions like this.

Apple used to be all about non-conformity and free thought. Now they're Big Brother. It's time to wonder if maybe Microsoft wasn't that bad....

Windows Phone 7series looks pretty tempting now
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post #110 of 125
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Originally Posted by NanoAkron View Post

Ah...the slippery slope of mass censorship.

Wonder how the 'glad they banned the boobs' crowd is going to spin this into a positive move.

I imagine they'll try the old 'Apple can do what they want, sellers can just go elsewhere' argument - well worn, but entirely fallacious.

Toshiba doesn't dictate what apps I can use on their laptops, neither does Microsoft ban an entire swathe of applications for fear of offending American sensibilities that fly in the face of their European customers.

Tell me, why shouldn't these apps still be available in the UK or French app store? Why not just ban them from the US?

Or do the 'ban the boobs' crowd on this board genuinely believe that US morals should apply to us as well?


Don't try and characterize the whole United States.... Although it has a reputation for moral righteousness and narrow-minded religious orthodoxy, most of that nonsense is restricted to a (albeit large) minority. The majority of people are pretty moderate (or liberal) in their views of sex. Just take a look at the sex-crazed media industry.
post #111 of 125
LOLs



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So Apple Bans Girls In Bikinis, But A Shirtless Gay Dude Washing A Car Is OK

Apple has banned sexy apps. But apps from Playboy and Sports Illustrated remain. Why does Apple care what turns me on?

If you need another example of why the iTunes App Store's walled garden is flawed, Apple has been only too happy to oblige, capriciously and arbitrarily removing an unknown number of "sexy" apps without warning. All that's missing to complete the metaphor is a flaming sword.

Some of those apps were certainly garbage, but it seems most were simply slideshows of women in various states of undress.

http://gizmodo.com/5478334/so-apple-...ng-a-car-is-ok
post #112 of 125
does this mean Apple is encouraging Nudity by baning Swimming Suits?

Lands' End Swimwear
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www.LandsEnd.com

How's that for a google add?

it was in this message header ... LOL
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Originally Posted by kiwee View Post

If you remove 5000 apps. Mistakes are bound to happen.
If a mistake was made, I'm sure it will be corrected..

Mistake was to remove those 5000 apps. Waiting for that to get corrected...
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Nazis in Apple completely took over.
post #115 of 125
You people realize the swimwear seller is back on the App Store, right?


Link: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/simpl...335321798?mt=8
post #116 of 125
Apple's puritanistic views and draconian rule over the app store leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'm in the market for a new phone, and was looking forward to getting an iPhone... But I'd hate myself for supporting this bullshit. BlackBerry here I come.

In view of this article, it's ironic that the iPhone is the sexiest phone out there.

Shame.
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Originally Posted by Belligerence View Post

Apple's puritanistic views and draconian rule over the app store leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'm in the market for a new phone, and was looking forward to getting an iPhone... But I'd hate myself for supporting this bullshit. BlackBerry here I come.

In view of this article, it's ironic that the iPhone is the sexiest phone out there.

Shame.

Seems like that's a pretty dumb way to decide on which mobile phone you're going to buy.
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Originally Posted by Hudson1 View Post

Seems like that's a pretty dumb way to decide on which mobile phone you're going to buy.

You don't think the ability to use any app you like on a phone that you spent good money for is important? I don't want to spend a bunch of money on a phone that's crippled by these enforced parental controls. I like my freedom, thank you.

It's not this app in particular that is bothering me, but the policies at Apple. The problem is, the stuff they make is so attractive, they can essentially be as arrogant as they want and they'll still sell a ton.
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

Suppressing the contents of privately-owned devices doesn't tread on any rights?

I see. Here's looking forward to whatever Apple imposes next...

Apple can choose to sell or not sell whatever they want. They have no legal duty to carry any particular goods.
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Originally Posted by Hudson1 View Post

Seems like that's a pretty dumb way to decide on which mobile phone you're going to buy.

Not IMO. I bought an iPhone, and the device is great. But Apple sucks.

They actively prevent me from using the device in the manner I want to use it (and no, I have no interest in lame bikini apps).

iTunes sucks - bloated and buggy, and I have little choice but to use it.
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