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post #1 of 65
2/23/10 at 2:49pm
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Tell me, how is it that the media ignores this?

October 14th, 2008: Obama is asked about his relationship with ACORN.

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Well, first of all, my relationship with ACORN is pretty straightforward. Uh...when...it's probably 13 years ago, uh..when I was still practicing law...uh..I represented ACORN, and my partner in that representation was the US Justice Department..uh...in having Illinois implement what was called the Motor Voter Law....

<description of Motor Voter implementation problems>

...that was my relationship and IS my relationship with ACORN.

...They're not advising my campaign....we've got the best voter registration and turnout and volunteer operation right now and you know, uh, we don't need ACORN's help.

November 2007: Obama meets with ACORN behind closed doors during his campaign. He says:

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You know <unintelligible> that you've got a friend in me. And I definitely welcome ACORN's input...you don't have to ask me about that, I'm gonna call you...

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When I ran Project Vote...voter registration drive in Illinois, uh, you know...ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it...once I was elected, there wasn't a campaign that ACORN worked on...down there in in Springfield...that I wasn't right there with ya

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Since I've been in the United States Senate, I've been...uh...always a partner with ACORN as well.

Here are the videos.

Can't wait to see the 6 percenters defend this one.
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2/23/10 at 4:03pm
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Democrat in office: Dig dig dig dig dig for scandals unrelated to the job of leading the country.

Republican in office: Deflect deflect deflect deflect deflect attention away from scandals directly relating to the job of leading the country.

Scott Brown busts through the Republican Wall of Negativity and the core conservonuts come rushing to distract the nation from what's truly important in an attempt to rebuild that wall.

WWRD?

We welcome change and openness; for we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of American prosperity. There is one sign the Republicans can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. Republicans, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Republican party and all of America, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate. Mr. Republican open this gate. Mr. Republican, tear down this wall!

 

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2/23/10 at 5:40pm
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Democrat in office: Dig dig dig dig dig for scandals unrelated to the job of leading the country.

Republican in office: Deflect deflect deflect deflect deflect attention away from scandals directly relating to the job of leading the country.

Scott Brown busts through the Republican Wall of Negativity and the core conservonuts come rushing to distract the nation from what's truly important in an attempt to rebuild that wall.

WWRD?

We welcome change and openness; for we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of American prosperity. There is one sign the Republicans can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. Republicans, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Republican party and all of America, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate. Mr. Republican open this gate. Mr. Republican, tear down this wall!


People that suffer from PPD ( Partisan Polarity Disorder ) often don't even realize their condition is obvious to the outside world and yet self awareness in this regard is totally absent. They also don't realize that displaying it over and over again will actually turn people against the very case they're trying to make. Republicans seem to have a natural tendency toward this malady.


It's sad really.
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post #4 of 65
2/23/10 at 6:19pm
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People that suffer from PPD ( Partisan Polarity Disorder ) often don't even realize their condition is obvious to the outside world and yet self awareness in this regard is totally absent. They also don't realize that displaying it over and over again will actually turn people against the very case they're trying to make. Republicans seem to have a natural tendency toward this malady.


It's sad really.

Yes they surely are suffering.

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post #5 of 65
2/23/10 at 6:22pm
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Yes they surely are suffering.


And how are those republicans doing?
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post #6 of 65
2/23/10 at 7:08pm
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And how are those republicans doing?

Making a resurgence, from what I can see.

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post #7 of 65
2/23/10 at 7:20pm
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And how are those republicans doing?


Pretty darn well.

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post #8 of 65
2/23/10 at 9:08pm
Saw the title of the thread and the first thought that came to mind was that the US is currently trying to find some way to draw a close to the illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation and the resulting deaths of thousands and thousand of people, an effort that was started based on lies.

 

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post #9 of 65
2/24/10 at 3:34am
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Saw the title of the thread and the first thought that came to mind was that the US is currently trying to find some way to draw a close to the illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation and the resulting deaths of thousands and thousand of people, an effort that was started based on lies.

Yet Obama is still a war hawk. Which contributes to his disapproval rating. Obama is weak on public health care. Which contributes to his disapproval rating. Yet the Republicans try to pretend that his disapproval ratings are solely due to his liberalism.
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post #10 of 65
2/24/10 at 5:51am
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Saw the title of the thread and the first thought that came to mind was that the US is currently trying to find some way to draw a close to the illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation and the resulting deaths of thousands and thousand of people, an effort that was started based on lies.



"Illegal"---not at all.

"Sovereign nation" All nations are "sovereign," therefore it's illegal to invade anyone, ever.

"Occupation" This is what one does after a war. It's called rebuilding. Perhaps we should have walked away immediately.

"deaths of thousands..." cause by Saddam Hussein

"Lies" The same "lies" that every major intel agency in the world believed.
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post #11 of 65
2/24/10 at 5:53am
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I love how no one has yet addressed the unquestionable lie Obama told. No one. The response has been:

IRAQ!!!!!

The GOP is no better!!!!

You're deflecting and attacking!!! Let Obama do his job!!!!
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post #12 of 65
2/24/10 at 6:51am
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"Illegal"---not at all.

"Sovereign nation" All nations are "sovereign," therefore it's illegal to invade anyone, ever.

"Occupation" This is what one does after a war. It's called rebuilding. Perhaps we should have walked away immediately.

"deaths of thousands..." cause by Saddam Hussein

"Lies" The same "lies" that every major intel agency in the world believed.

SDW we've been over this. There are many countries where there's an evil dictator ( some like Saddam that we've supported in the past ) so why did we pick this one? Also this war was sold on the idea of a threat which turned out to be nonexistant. There was nothing about sticking a pin in a map and picking an oppressed people to liberate.

And not everybody believed in the lies. Also the people over there inspecting were saying there's nothing to find in their opinion. No amount of spin will change the fact that they were right.
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post #13 of 65
2/24/10 at 7:00am
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Pretty darn well.

Well here's someone with a different opinion.

http://northcountrypublicradio.org/b...-im-still.html
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post #14 of 65
2/24/10 at 7:25am
I didn't link to a person with an opinion. I linked to polls. Those polls had very bad news for the Democrats which is why I'm sure you'd rather ignore the numbers and discuss the opinion of some other person.

Of course I also look forward to the post after this whereby someone who wants to look at the numbers and doesn't want to discuss some spin on is now PPD or partisan in your view.

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post #15 of 65
2/24/10 at 7:29am
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I didn't like to a person with an opinion. I linked to polls. Those polls had very bad news for the Democrats which is why I'm sure you'd rather ignore the numbers and discuss the opinion of some other person.

Of course I also look forward to the post after this whereby someone who wants to look at the numbers and doesn't want to discuss some spin on is now PPD or partisan in your view.

I thought you didn't like polls?
Yes there's been an uptick in The republican image. Yes Obama is less popular but that doesn't mean an instant gain for the GOP. And is the uptick big enough to make a big difference? Not yet.
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post #16 of 65
2/24/10 at 7:36am
Small beans SDW2001. Obama's incompetent bungling of the terror trails should tell everyone what they need to know about the man. Not to mention his foreign policy of alienating our friends and embracing our adversaries.
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post #17 of 65
2/24/10 at 8:53am
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SDW we've been over this. There are many countries where there's an evil dictator ( some like Saddam that we've supported in the past ) so why did we pick this one?

That's another argument.

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Also this war was sold on the idea of a threat which turned out to be nonexistant. There was nothing about sticking a pin in a map and picking an oppressed people to liberate.

And not everybody believed in the lies. Also the people over there inspecting were saying there's nothing to find in their opinion. No amount of spin will change the fact that they were right.

Yes, we have been over this. You obviously still do not understand why the inspectors were there and what their job was. You still think their job was to find hidden weapons and yell..."gotcha!"
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post #18 of 65
2/24/10 at 9:13am
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That's another argument.



Yes, we have been over this. You obviously still do not understand why the inspectors were there and what their job was. You still think their job was to find hidden weapons and yell..."gotcha!"

SDW they were saying there's no point to their job. There was no reason to comply. And if you say this war was fought over a lack of compliance that makes it even more damning. There was nothing to find. You can slice it sideways and guess what? There was still nothing to find. Nothing is nothing. It's history now. You can't change it or spin it.
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post #19 of 65
2/24/10 at 6:56pm
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Small beans SDW2001. Obama's incompetent bungling of the terror trails should tell everyone what they need to know about the man. Not to mention his foreign policy of alienating our friends and embracing our adversaries.

"incompetent bungling of the terror trials" That's funny. Tell me again, how many terrorists did Bush try right here in the good ol' USofA? 190?

Again, there isn't one single conservative tenant that you guys won't betray in order to simply gain political points. Astounding.
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2/24/10 at 9:11pm
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"incompetent bungling of the terror trials" That's funny. Tell me again, how many terrorists did Bush try right here in the good ol' USofA? 190?

Again, there isn't one single conservative tenant that you guys won't betray in order to simply gain political points. Astounding.

At least Bush picked his venue and saw it through. Obama wasn't even smart enough to talk to his constituents in NYC before blew it with them. Kinda like the Uighur going to Palau without even bothering to talk to the UK about. What a buffoon? How's that closing of Gitmo going? Way overdue it seems. Obama doesn't seem to think things though before he starts. He thinks he just signs an edict gives a speech and it's done.
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post #21 of 65
2/24/10 at 11:59pm
This thread seems predicated on an insane proposition. Think about it:

1) Obama is a liberal and want to do liberal things. Baaaaad.

2) But he doesn't do them - he does the opposite or ignores what he said. Baaaaaad

It doesn't make sense? I think we've found a bug in the winger reverse-speak loop...

If it was on the other foot with Repubs there'd be no problem from the Left:

1) Bush is a winger and he wants to do winger things like invade countries and kill people. Baaaaad.

2) But he doesn't do them - he does the opposite or ignores what he said. Goooooooood.

See what the problem is here?

The winger argument is that Obama is bad and his popularity rating is down and that proves it - but it is down because he is not doing many things the liberals would approve of... wtf?????
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post #22 of 65
2/25/10 at 4:55am
It's interesting to note that the US was embroiled in something called the Cold War for several decades and won the war without firing a single shot. The war was raged against a country called the USSR which had a leader, Stalin, who killed many millions of his people, yet the US did not invade.

The USSR certainly had nukes; they tested them regularly. They had missiles, and subs, and long range bombers, and many tanks and men. In short, they were a huge threat to the US. Yet we never attacked them.

What's the difference with Iraq? Could it be that they were weak (though the administration played them up to be so powerful) and more importantly, not because of Saddam, nor the WMDs, but the financial rewards the invasion would bring a few of the president's cronies and because of that BLACK stuff under Iraq? Halliburton. Blackwater. Some people got pretty wealthy. Oh, and I forgot the companies that make the tanks, and GOD gun sights, and guns and etc, etc.

What was the difference between the USSR and Iraq? Why invade one, not the other? Why discuss invading Iran? China has WMDs. So do France, England, Russia and Israel. Why aren't they considered more of a threat?

 

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post #23 of 65
2/25/10 at 6:11am
^ Yea you're making a whole lot of sense there.
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post #24 of 65
2/25/10 at 7:00am
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^ Yea you're making a whole lot of sense there.

More than you've made in the last several of your " Drive by " posts.
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post #25 of 65
2/25/10 at 7:11am
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SDW they were saying there's no point to their job. There was no reason to comply. And if you say this war was fought over a lack of compliance that makes it even more damning. There was nothing to find. You can slice it sideways and guess what? There was still nothing to find. Nothing is nothing. It's history now. You can't change it or spin it.

I just realized that once again you are trying to make a thread that has nothing to do with Iraq into a WMD debate. Not playing that game, sorry.


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This thread seems predicated on an insane proposition. Think about it:

1) Obama is a liberal and want to do liberal things. Baaaaad.



Yes....
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2) But he doesn't do them - he does the opposite or ignores what he said. Baaaaaad


Uh, he DOES do them. He's done them and is continuing to do them.

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It doesn't make sense? I think we've found a bug in the winger reverse-speak loop...

If it was on the other foot with Repubs there'd be no problem from the Left:

1) Bush is a winger and he wants to do winger things like invade countries and kill people. Baaaaad.

2) But he doesn't do them - he does the opposite or ignores what he said. Goooooooood.

See what the problem is here?

The winger argument is that Obama is bad and his popularity rating is down and that proves it - but it is down because he is not doing many things the liberals would approve of... wtf?????

His rating is down because: He never had the Right, he's losing the middle quickly and he's pissed off the extreme left, who wants him to go even further.



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It's interesting to note that the US was embroiled in something called the Cold War for several decades and won the war without firing a single shot. The war was raged against a country called the USSR which had a leader, Stalin, who killed many millions of his people, yet the US did not invade.

The USSR certainly had nukes; they tested them regularly. They had missiles, and subs, and long range bombers, and many tanks and men. In short, they were a huge threat to the US. Yet we never attacked them.

What's the difference with Iraq?


Could it be they had a massive nuclear and conventional capability, not to mention what...50x the land area? Of course not.

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Could it be that they were weak (though the administration played them up to be so powerful) and more importantly, not because of Saddam, nor the WMDs, but the financial rewards the invasion would bring a few of the president's cronies and because of that BLACK stuff under Iraq? Halliburton. Blackwater. Some people got pretty wealthy. Oh, and I forgot the companies that make the tanks, and GOD gun sights, and guns and etc, etc.

What was the difference between the USSR and Iraq? Why invade one, not the other? Why discuss invading Iran? China has WMDs. So do France, England, Russia and Israel. Why aren't they considered more of a threat?

Yes, yes, Berg. War for oil. It was all done to enrich Bush's "cronies." You sound like a goddamned junior high school student.
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post #26 of 65
2/25/10 at 10:57am
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I just realized that once again you are trying to make a thread that has nothing to do with Iraq into a WMD debate. Not playing that game, sorry.

Not at all - you lost that one a long, long time ago....no need for replays. Especially with players not in the same league.

What I was actually doing was using an example so things take on a vague sense of coherence ...I find it helps when faced with rampant gibbering lunacy. well..actually it doesn't help at all - still incomprehensible but it makes me feel better when wading through the detritus.
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post #27 of 65
2/25/10 at 1:50pm
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Could it be they had a massive nuclear and conventional capability, not to mention what...50x the land area? Of course not.



Yes, yes, Berg. War for oil. It was all done to enrich Bush's "cronies." You sound like a goddamned junior high school student.

His point was that if we can win a war without firing a shot against a much, much greater threat, why did we have to invade a much, much lesser one?

 

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2/25/10 at 2:40pm
Back on topic... you do know that there is a difference between professional relationship (e.g. the relatiosnhip between a lawyer and a client) and an incidental relationship (e.g. the relationship between a supporter and a candidate), right?

And you do know that only one of those things is relevant in legal context, right?

Did Obama or his administration have any kind of contract with ACORN? No? Then they didn't have a professional relationship. Period.

Now... I wonder what a lawyer would say. Hmm... And whether this "lie" is relevant to the leadership of the nation... or perhaps it's just a spitball.

Meanwhile... Niger... WMD... Imminent attack... Iraq is in league with Al Qaeda...

Those lies were ok.
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2/27/10 at 7:22am
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His point was that if we can win a war without firing a shot against a much, much greater threat, why did we have to invade a much, much lesser one?

So they're the same situation then, hmm?
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2/27/10 at 7:25am
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Back on topic... you do know that there is a difference between professional relationship (e.g. the relatiosnhip between a lawyer and a client) and an incedental relationship (e.g. the relationship between a supporter and a candidate), right?

And you do know that only one of those things is relevant in legal context, right?

Did Obama or his administration have any kind of contract with ACORN? No? Then they didn't have a professional relationship. Period.

Now... I wonder what a lawyer would say. Hmm... And whether this "lie" is relavant to the leadership of the nation... or perhaps it's just a spitball.

Yes, yes. Let's talk about context. Let's give every benefit of the doubt. Let's analyze, justify, et al. Awesome....

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Meanwhile... Niger... WMD... Imminent attack... Iraq is in league with Al Qaeda...

Those lies were ok.

But hey, when it comes to Bush...let's close the book. He lied, period. A Democrat lies and it's not really lying. See, it can all be explained, if only the neanderthal, partisan Republicans were smarter. But if a Republican gets something wrong, makes a mistake, gets bad information or even disagrees with a liberal's position...he's a lying warmonger who makes war and lies. Liar!
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2/27/10 at 8:09am
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Yes, yes. Let's talk about context. Let's give every benefit of the doubt. Let's analyze, justify, et al. Awesome....



But hey, when it comes to Bush...let's close the book. He lied, period. A Democrat lies and it's not really lying. See, it can all be explained, if only the neanderthal, partisan Republicans were smarter. But if a Republican gets something wrong, makes a mistake, gets bad information or even disagrees with a liberal's position...he's a lying warmonger who makes war and lies. Liar!

If I lie about something, it might be about being sick so that I can reschedule an appointment. I won't lie to Congress.

There is such a thing as the difference between a big lie and a little one. Keep pretending it's all the same thing.
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2/27/10 at 8:32am
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So they're the same situation then, hmm?

Doesn't matter. Iraq's threat was so much less than that of the Soviet Union's. If the worse situation can be solved without war, I have little doubt the lesser situation could be, too.

 

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2/27/10 at 11:35am
The lesser threat led to a war based on lies. Lies that killed over one hundred thousand people (depending on the source).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

 

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2/27/10 at 12:08pm
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Tell me, how is it that the media ignores this?

October 14th, 2008: Obama is asked about his relationship with ACORN.

November 2007: Obama meets with ACORN behind closed doors during his campaign. He says:

Here are the videos.

Can't wait to see the 6 percenters defend this one.

And the point is....
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2/27/10 at 2:09pm
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If I lie about something, it might be about being sick so that I can reschedule an appointment. I won't lie to Congress.

There is such a thing as the difference between a big lie and a little one. Keep pretending it's all the same thing.

And the beat goes on. Ignore, trivialize, explain away when it comes to clear cut lies by Obama. Say they don't matter, or that they're not lies at all. Bravo.
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post #36 of 65
2/27/10 at 2:15pm
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Doesn't matter. Iraq's threat was so much less than that of the Soviet Union's. If the worse situation can be solved without war, I have little doubt the lesser situation could be, too.

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The lesser threat led to a war based on lies. Lies that killed over one hundred thousand people (depending on the source).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

I see this is the new talking point you've both embraced. Comparing the two "conflicts" is utterly absurd. They are different in too many ways to list. Really, this tactic to derail the thread is cheap and transparent.

As for a War Based On Lies, that's become quite tiresome as well. There is no evidence that the Bush Administration lies. None.
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post #37 of 65
2/27/10 at 2:35pm
Regardless of what the war was based on or why we went, it is unconstitutional.

Support our troops. Bring them home.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

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2/27/10 at 2:37pm
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And the beat goes on. Ignore, trivialize, explain away when it comes to clear cut lies by Obama. Say they don't matter, or that they're not lies at all. Bravo.

How the fuck can you make the distinction between the situations of the Soviet Union and Iraq on one hand and then claim that you can't make the distinctions between George W Bush & Obama on other?

 

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post #39 of 65
2/27/10 at 3:22pm
Acorn... Big Fxcking Deal. They are the sole significant incidence of election fraud that the corporate media, and the likes of SDW etc, care to acknowledge? Ha!

Compared to Acorn, the proven wholesale scuppering of two presidential; elections, those of 2000 and 2004, by parties loyal to conservative causes, counts for nothing. Unimportant. The illegal purging of 10s of thousands of black people from the voter rolls is just fine: Database Technologies? Off-message for the weaselmedia. The illegal antics of the companies that manufacture voting machines and their liability to tampering means nothing. The crime empire of the Urosevitch brothers? The blatant and arrogant (but candid) admission of Rep. Peter King (R) in summer 2004 that he was fully aware of voter fraud demonstrates the flagrant, breathtaking bias and duplicity in the corporate media: "it's already over--the election's over, we won." When the camera woman asks "How do you know that?" Congressman King replies, "it's all over but the counting, and we'll take care care of the counting."

What more can one say, especially in the knowledge that this complete jerkwad traitor congressman has close ties to the organization (NORAID) responsible for funding of bombings and other terrorist acts in the UK and Europe by the Provisional IRA. How come this idiot's still sat on his fat ass in Congress instead of languishing in a maximum security prison cell for a couple of decades, as he and his ilk deserve? Pah!

But the Provos are not Muslim..... so that clears King? ASSHOLE.

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post #40 of 65
2/27/10 at 4:12pm
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I just realized that once again you are trying to make a thread that has nothing to do with Iraq into a WMD debate. Not playing that game, sorry.




Yes....




Uh, he DOES do them. He's done them and is continuing to do them.



His rating is down because: He never had the Right, he's losing the middle quickly and he's pissed off the extreme left, who wants him to go even further.






Could it be they had a massive nuclear and conventional capability, not to mention what...50x the land area? Of course not.



Yes, yes, Berg. War for oil. It was all done to enrich Bush's "cronies." You sound like a goddamned junior high school student.


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I just realized that once again you are trying to make a thread that has nothing to do with Iraq into a WMD debate. Not playing that game, sorry.


We got into it with this post :
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Saw the title of the thread and the first thought that came to mind was that the US is currently trying to find some way to draw a close to the illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation and the resulting deaths of thousands and thousand of people, an effort that was started based on lies.

Originally posted by SDW 2001

"Illegal"---not at all.

"Sovereign nation" All nations are "sovereign," therefore it's illegal to invade anyone, ever.

"Occupation" This is what one does after a war. It's called rebuilding. Perhaps we should have walked away immediately.

"deaths of thousands..." cause by Saddam Hussein

"Lies" The same "lies" that every major intel agency in the world believed.

Do you see me anywhere in there? I do see you so maybe it's you who are trying to make this about Iraq.
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