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Constrained supplies of MacBook Pros suggest an anticipated notebook refresh is growing closer -- one that could further differentiate the premium lineup from the low-end MacBook. Also, Apple has improved its shipping times for 27-inch iMacs to three to five business days.

MacBook Pro constraints suggest coming refresh

In checking with sources in distribution channels, analyst Shaw Wu with Kaufman Bros. has found that supplies of MacBook Pro machines are "fairly limited at two to three weeks vs. a more normal four to six weeks." Given strong Mac sales in January, Wu said it's possible that demand has played a part, though the timing would also suggest new MacBook Pros are on the horizon.

Apple has not refreshed its MacBook Pro line since last June, and with Intel's new Arrandale mobile processors now shipping in volume, Apple is expected to make an upgrade. Wu said Apple could use the opportunity to further differentiate the low-end, $999 MacBook from the premium MacBook Pro line.

"Benefits of the new mobile architecture, helped in part by its new 32 nanometer process (vs. previous 45 nanometer), include much better performance through hyper-threading and turbo mode, battery life, and weight characteristics, which we believe give AAPL engineers more room to further differentiate the MacBook Pro," Wu wrote in a note to investors Wednesday.

"We believe new Mac models could ship in the March quarter, or at the latest the June quarter. It is not clear to us whether AAPL will introduce these new Macs through special event or 'quietly' through a press release."

Wu said he feels the entry-level $1,199 MacBook Pro has some overlap with the $999 MacBook, which was updated last October. He said a new processor could add more than the aluminum casing, SD slot and FireWire that currently give the higher-end systems their 'pro' distinction.

In addition to the new Arrandale chips from Intel, Apple is expected to employ a new automatic switching of dual graphics modes on future MacBook Pro models. The system would allow switching between integrated and discrete graphics processors automatically, allowing use of Nvidia's latest graphics technology and also improving battery life.

27-inch iMac ships in 3-5 days

The Core 2 Duo and Core i5 versions of Apple's newly redesigned 27-inch iMac desktop now have estimated shipping times of three to five days direct from Apple. It's a significant change from previous months, when new buyers had to wait weeks for the new hardware.

It's also the second time in less than a week that shipping times on the 27-inch iMac have improved. Last Thursday, new purchases improved to a wait of just five to seven days.



Early adopters of the big-screen iMac have seen a number of hardware issues pertaining to the display, with reports of flickering and yellow discoloration. Apple released two software updates to fix the issues, and also reportedly offered some customers a 15 percent refund for their troubles.

Earlier this month, Apple denied a rumor that it had halted production of new models. At the same time, ship times that had lingered at three weeks for months improved to two weeks.

Supplies of the 27-inch iMac have been constrained for months, with Apple in December even apologizing for delays, citing considerable demand from consumers. When it first launched in October, the new iMac was the best-selling desktop machine for the month. The 21.5-inch iMac came in first place, while the 27-inch iMac took third in overall sales.

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BRING IT.

I've waited long enough - 13" will have to do. No interest in an iTunes MaxiTouch.
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I am happy with my Santa Rosa MBP. One day I will upgrade to a more recent MBP. It won't be until at least I see USB 3.0 integrated.
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Like anyone is gonna order a MBP today when refresh is imminent..
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Like anyone is gonna order a MBP today when refresh is imminent..

Quadra- are you there?
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Is there any reason to expect that Apple won't start 2010 with USB 3?

Besides the iPad not currently USB 3.0 publicly.
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Quadra- are you there?

uh. no. I'm just saying. It's the waiting game right now...
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uh. no. I'm just saying. It's the waiting game right now...

March not June, god willing.
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Now that's what the industry calls the demand when you reach 10% market share, Apple.

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not June, not March...I'm hoping today
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BRING IT.

I've waited long enough - 13" will have to do. No interest in an iTunes MaxiPAd.

That's enough of that "joke".
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Is there any reason to expect that Apple won't start 2010 with USB 3?

Besides the iPad not currently USB 3.0 publicly.

Well Intel not providing USB 3.0 chipsets for another year is a hurdle. Given the delay in releasing new MBP, I would think (hope?) that something new is coming though.
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Well Intel not providing USB 3.0 chipsets for another year is a hurdle. Given the delay in releasing new MBP, I would think (hope?) that something new is coming though.

Can we pray for a Blu-ray R/CDRW drive or a 13" matte/nonglare screen?
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Can we pray for a Blu-ray R/CDRW drive or a 13" matte/nonglare screen?

Probably not a matte option for the 13". It seems this is an option apple only wants to offer the pro users (started with 17 and finally migrated to 15).

I'm starting to think we'll never see blu-ray drives in mac computers...

 

 

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not June, not March...I'm hoping today

Gotta be soon. End of March is for beginning of iPad sales. Next Tuesday, perhaps.
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Is there any reason to expect that Apple won't start 2010 with USB 3?

Besides the iPad not currently USB 3.0 publicly.

See subject line.
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LOL. Oh shit guys Shaw Wu has spoken.

Now that Wu said they are coming soon they aren't going to be updated for a decade. \

I wonder what sources this guy checked. People at macrumors have checked international stores and the wait is still 24 hours to a few days for various MBP models.

I really, really hope for next Tuesday. In fact I am really feeling it. I didn't really feel this past Tues even though I wanted it, because this week was the end of Chinese New Year. So that would have mucked up order times I am guessing.
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Like anyone is gonna order a MBP today when refresh is imminent..

Actually, I was in one of my local Apple Stores last week. A fellow "silver hair" was looking at the MPB 17. I pulled out my C2D 2.33 and we compared notes. I told him repeatedly that a refresh was long overdue, but he bought one anyway - even after stating he could wait.

Sometimes the call of the shiny bright things is just too great.

That, and the RDF that surrounds all things Apple.

As for me, I will wait. My late '06 model works just fine, although I would love to have more than 2MB of my 4MB RAM split between the cores when using VMware Fusion.
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LOL. Oh shit guys Shaw Wu has spoken.

Now that Wu said they are coming soon they aren't going to be updated for a decade. \

I wonder what sources this guy checked. People at macrumors have checked international stores and the wait is still 24 hours to a few days for various MBP models.

I really, really hope for next Tuesday. In fact I am really feeling it. I didn't really feel this past Tues even though I wanted it, because this week was the end of Chinese New Year. So that would have mucked up order times I am guessing.

I have always viewed Wu in the same category as John Dvorak.

Babbling pundits who offer nothing, but live for the recognition as if they did.
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about time, who in their right mind would pay $2000 for a 15" LCD laptop with a C2D and only 256MB of graphics RAM?
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When MacBook Pros get new features, they eventually trickle down to the regular MacBooks. This increases the value/quality of the MacBooks but also makes the MacBook Pros seem less "worth it" in terms of cost. Since the last MacBook update added the LED display, built-in batteries and Multitouch trackpad, I wonder if Apple will add any new features to the Pros to help differentiate?

Benefits of MacBook Pro vs. MacBook
+Slightly faster processor speeds
+Aluminum Unibody
+Firewire 800
+SD Card Slot
+Backlit Keyboard
+Upgradable to 4 or 8 GB RAM
+Upgradable to 7200 RPM HDD
(Am I missing anything?)

I am waiting to update my 2006 first-gen MacBook with the new (presumed) 15" Core i5s. I just wonder when?! I can barely take my MB off the outlet anymore - it's more like a portable desktop!
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about time, who in their right mind would pay $2000 for a 15" LCD laptop with a C2D and only 256MB of graphics RAM?

I can think of 2, no make that 3 on here, that would- without a doubt.
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Really anxious for the update myself. This will be my first laptop of any kind that is actually mine, and not a work laptop. Right now I'm looking at the middle tier 15" MBP, and I assume I'll probably stick with that post-refresh. The processor update will be great, and anything else is just a bonus as far as I'm concerned.

Personally, I'm planning on getting the stock hard drive and then upgrading this to a SSD in 6 months or a year when the prices come down more. It's really hard for me to justify (to the wife especially) another $650 when the base price is already $2k.

Well, here's to hoping that the refresh is soon.
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I am happy with my Santa Rosa MBP. One day I will upgrade to a more recent MBP. It won't be until at least I see USB 3.0 integrated.

Now that we are past the average upgrade time and Arrandale should be good supply now, it's looking more and more like the next pro Mac update will be a major revision, not just a spec bump.

I'm hoping they include USB3.0 in their pro Macs now because if they wait until the next typical revision it'll be 2011 and well after most vendors will be likely including it.Plus, it would help the iPhone this summer and iPod Touch this fall if it was USB3.0 capable. They obviously aren't going to support FireWire for syncing and LightPeak is still aways off so USB is it.


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Like anyone is gonna order a MBP today when refresh is imminent..

On this site, not likely, but I went to the Apple Store the other day to get a couple new Nike+ sensors and waited behind two people buying Macs. This was right when they opened and there were already a dozen people in the store. Even if you watch the upgrade cycles if you need it, you need it.


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Is there any reason to expect that Apple won't start 2010 with USB 3?

Besides the iPad not currently USB 3.0 publicly.

While I doubt it has USB3.0, if it did I'd doubt they'd have publicly stated that the iPad supports USB3.0 when they don't have a single Mac supporting it yet.


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March not June, god willing.

Now you're referring to Steve Jobs as god? You are the ultimate self-hating Applist.


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not June, not March...I'm hoping today

It's to late in the day. Hopefully we get notice by tomorrow of a special event next week for the new pro Macs.


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That's enough of that "joke".

Emphasis on the quotations around joke.


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Well Intel not providing USB 3.0 chipsets for another year is a hurdle. Given the delay in releasing new MBP, I would think (hope?) that something new is coming though.

Intel not supporting may not mean anything, especially to Apple who often doesn't use every part of Intel's chipsets.

Note that Asus started producing logic boards with USB3.0 last year and Apple has used Asus before to make their boards. I'm hoping that the reason jumped on this so quickly was because of Apple's designs and requests to get USB3.0 out in 2010.


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When MacBook Pros get new features, they eventually trickle down to the regular MacBooks. This increases the value/quality of the MacBooks but also makes the MacBook Pros seem less "worth it" in terms of cost. Since the last MacBook update added the LED display, built-in batteries and Multitouch trackpad, I wonder if Apple will add any new features to the Pros to help differentiate?

Benefits of MacBook Pro vs. MacBook
+Slightly faster processor speeds
+Aluminum Unibody
+Firewire 800
+SD Card Slot
+Backlit Keyboard
+Upgradable to 4 or 8 GB RAM
+Upgradable to 7200 RPM HDD
(Am I missing anything?)

I am waiting to update my 2006 first-gen MacBook with the new (presumed) 15" Core i5s. I just wonder when?! I can barely take my MB off the outlet anymore - it's more like a portable desktop!

The aluminium unibody is two points: strength/rigidity and resale value.

I'm jumping the gun, but I'd like to see the removal of the ODD, the use of 2x 7mm HDDs or SSDs. SSD options from a wider range, including Intel. Make a HW RAID for the two drives and and use 6Gbps SATA3 (obviously this means fixing the current SATA controller issues). The removal of the ODD, use of a 7mm HDDs or SSDs means the max height could be 7mm, or a thinning by 2.5mm.

When this happen I'd also like to see a 15" unibody plastic MB with the clunky ODD inside added to the list. I think there is a market for it. This would create a wider range between the pro and non-pro machines while offering more choices for users. I have to think that the 13" MB in one configuration was to test the plastic unibody construction. Recall that they updated it many times last year.
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March not June, god willing.

not likely.

a May refresh to kick off Back to School allows them to join the marketing together. In fact I wouldn't be shocked to see them off a free ipod touch, or use the money for an ipad

part of why they might have slowed down laptop production is that sales have slowed (given that many know that there's often a late spring price drop/refresh) and they want to devote resources to ipad production. Just because we haven't seen an announcement about the FCC doesn't mean Apple hasn't gotten the approvals.

releasing two ipads over 2 months AND new laptops not likely. They will want to spread things out a little so the retail staff can focus on the ipad and kick it off strong.
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I am starting to doubt that Apple will refresh the macbook pro's prior to the release of the Ipad. I know a lot of people on these boards are waiting for new tech, but I don't know how many of the average users out there really think about that. If Macbook sales aren't dipping, Apple is under no pressure to update them.

By waiting until Ipad's are available for purchase in the stores, the additional traffic to the stores generated by a Macbook Pro refresh will be opportunities for Ipad sales as well.

I am really interested in seeing what the update brings, but I am getting skeptical that anything will happen before April.
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The aluminium unibody is two points: strength/rigidity and resale value.

I'm jumping the gun, but I'd like to see the removal of the ODD, the use of 2x 7mm HDDs or SSDs. SSD options from a wider range, including Intel. Make a HW RAID for the two drives and and use 6Gbps SATA3 (obviously this means fixing the current SATA controller issues). The removal of the ODD, use of a 7mm HDDs or SSDs means the max height could be 7mm, or a thinning by 2.5mm.

When this happen I'd also like to see a 15" unibody plastic MB with the clunky ODD inside added to the list. I think there is a market for it. This would create a wider range between the pro and non-pro machines while offering more choices for users. I have to think that the 13" MB in one configuration was to test the plastic unibody construction. Recall that they updated it many times last year.

Good points to consider. I would hope that at least some of your list is also on theirs.
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That's enough of that "joke".

that joke was old the first time it was said.

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Can we pray for a Blu-ray R/CDRW drive or a 13" matte/nonglare screen?

you can pray. but you have better odds getting that pony.

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Probably not a matte option for the 13". It seems this is an option apple only wants to offer the pro users (started with 17 and finally migrated to 15).

i could see them doing it online but agree it is not likely to appear in store.

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I'm starting to think we'll never see blu-ray drives in mac computers...

with the itunes store, not likely. someone might make an internal for the pros but it's unlikely we'll ever have built in drives for anything else. Although playback from an external would be nice. We already have burning via things like Toast.
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My mid-2004 PowerBook finally bit it a few weeks ago (5 and a half years of use isn't too bad for a laptop, eh?) and the wait for these new MBP's is killing me!
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I'm waiting for the new 13"...and hopefully a new 21.5" ACD to go with it.
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what are the chances you guys think the next refresh will incorporate the automatic switch dual graphic chips?
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what are the chances you guys think the next refresh will incorporate the automatic switch dual graphic chips?

I thought I forgot something. If they don't have dynamic graphics switching this round I will hold off on getting a new MBP. This is about the only requirementI have for my next purchase.
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Now you're referring to Steve Jobs as god? You are the ultimate self-hating Applist.

No - but you just did and that reveals more about you than I or anyone should ever need to know.
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Like anyone is gonna order a MBP today when refresh is imminent..

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Quadra- are you there?

I might. But just after the refresh. Deals, deals!!

I sometimes get the previous gen right after the refresh. Then again I hang onto my Mac(s) for quite a long time before I upgrade.
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Well...i predict new MBPs with new processors...then apple will somehow manage to make a fault with it, which apple will blatently ignore for a few months, then semi-fix.....i hope not lol
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Probably not a matte option for the 13". It seems this is an option apple only wants to offer the pro users (started with 17 and finally migrated to 15).
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I was attending a government technology conference recently and several of the professionals there used a 13" MBP. I would use it too if it had a matte display.
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When MacBook Pros get new features, they eventually trickle down to the regular MacBooks. This increases the value/quality of the MacBooks but also makes the MacBook Pros seem less "worth it" in terms of cost. Since the last MacBook update added the LED display, built-in batteries and Multitouch trackpad, I wonder if Apple will add any new features to the Pros to help differentiate?

Benefits of MacBook Pro vs. MacBook
+Slightly faster processor speeds
+Aluminum Unibody
+Firewire 800
+SD Card Slot
+Backlit Keyboard
+Upgradable to 4 or 8 GB RAM
+Upgradable to 7200 RPM HDD
(Am I missing anything?)

Yes, You are missing .. BLU-RAY
The Superdrive is just not very super anymore. As someone who works with music and photography, I really need to option to backup files to BD disc. Also, i have a large BD movie collection and i can't spare any hard drive space on my laptop for digital copies to fill it up. and i also have netflix. so i like to rent BD discs. digital copy or not. i need BD
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I might. But just after the refresh. Deals, deals!!

I sometimes get the previous gen right after the refresh. Then again I hang onto my Mac(s) for quite a long time before I upgrade.

Were you the guy in the CNBC special "MAcHeads' who has Macs all over his house, attic and garage?
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Were you the guy in the CNBC special "MAcHeads' who has Macs all over his house, attic and garage?

I have a Color Classic and a bunch of Duos, does that get me cool points?

WTF with this update, for real. I feel like more people are waiting on this update than usual, maybe it's just because I'm waiting it feels so nuts. But it seems there are dozens of people here and hundreds at Macrumors.com (which I never even heard about until this dang MBP update limbo). Also I feel like there are way more rumors this time around. Just look at macrumors.com or even AI. It's torture. A new rumor that seems to be very convincing that MBPs are coming out in a week or "any day now" comes out like every week since January!! This Apple secrecy crap is just lame for minor product updates.
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I have a Color Classic and a bunch of Duos, does that get me cool points?

WTF with this update, for real. I feel like more people are waiting on this update than usual, maybe it's just because I'm waiting it feels so nuts. But it seems there are dozens of people here and hundreds at Macrumors.com (which I never even heard about until this dang MBP update limbo). Also I feel like there are way more rumors this time around. Just look at macrumors.com or even AI. It's torture. A new rumor that seems to be very convincing that MBPs are coming out in a week or "any day now" comes out like every week since January!! This Apple secrecy crap is just lame for minor product updates.

This crazy impatience and hand-wringing is typical for Apple fansites, which incidentally, do not reflect reality. Just don't read too much into it, go with the flow, and have your $$ ready for when the updates arrive.
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