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Honestly I was not a fan of SUV's until I dated a woman with not 1 but 2 small children(3 & 1). The need for additional space is a very pressing need and honestly I can see alot of people want more than the Minivan provides.

The SUV catagory has grown a little out of control...I mean a glorfied station wagon lifted does not constitute a SUV in my opinion.

Below are my favorite 3 SUV's

Cadillac Escalade- I don't know..it's angular grille and 345hp appeal to my wild side.

BMW X5- Classy SUV built on a car chassis. Nice and supple leather. Good performance.

Trailblazer 2002- I might have to test drive one. Love the 270hp hate the dash.

I'm no longer with my ex with 2 children but I do realize that SUV's do offer some important amenities. What do you think? What are your favorite SUV's?
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post #2 of 73
I don't care either way.
post #3 of 73
Well according to you my SUW does not count, but I love my Subaru Legacy Outback! AWD rocks!

As far as SUVs go I like this one the best! <a href="http://poseur.4x4.org/futuresuv.html" target="_blank">http://poseur.4x4.org/futuresuv.html</a>
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post #4 of 73
Though I understand that one owner in 10 legitimately needs one, I can't f*cking stand them - or the way they are so completely, falsely advertised. Most SUV's handle like crap in snow and on lousy terrain. Even if they didn't, people who buy them somehow think they will be a part of this rugged world/crowd by owning one, even though they drive on nothing but highways and parking lots. Nimrods, all of them (the other 9 I mean).

SUV's are the poster-children for much of what's wrong with this country IMO. F*ck em. By the way Outbacks are indeed cool. I wouldn' even categorize the Forrester as an SUV -it's too small.

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post #5 of 73
I hate them, the look like oversized station wagons, use loads of gasoline and give people an inflated sense of security, but that's my biased opinion.
post #6 of 73
I generally dislike them, but the new smaller SUVs are more carlike with the added utility of storage space. I really like the new Saturn Vue................
post #7 of 73
Nope... dont like em. They guzzle gas, are easy to flip, and are most often driven by soccer-moms talking on cell phones.
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post #8 of 73
I don't hate all SUVs, but I do hate the trendy "upper middle class housewife chatting on her cell phone while nearly taking the front end off of my cute silver beetle in her obliviousness" aspect. Every once in a while there's a trend in automobiles, a bandwagon that lots of people jump on for no other reason than that it's "cool" and that's annoying.

But if you have some actual use for the thing (hauling equipment, going off road, going skiing) to justify the gas guzzling aspect, I don't really see how they're any "worse" than a minivan or pickup.
post #9 of 73
They're good if you live somewhere where it snows a lot. But if you live in florida and are not part of the mafia and don't need ot hull bodies around, then you're better served up getting a coupe or a souped up eclipse
post #10 of 73
My dad has a Grand Cherokee that I drove up from NYC one day last summer. It handled great on the highway. I was impressed. He aso has a very long, sweeping driveway (probably about 100 yards long) that doesn't always get plowed quickly when it snows. The 4-wheel-drive comes in handy. I have to laugh about people bitching about SUV owners who never take their vehicles off road. They are gas guzzlers; you want them chewing up the landscape too? He doesn't drive that much and his Jeep gets better mileage than a lot of other SUVs so he doesn't use up that much gas either. That said, I'm not much of a fan of those really monster SUVs that are so popular these days.
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post #11 of 73
Hate 'em. 99% of the idiots here that have them drive them like they were Ferraris, not realising that these things are not held to the same safety standards as cars are. They don't drive like cars, they don't stop like cars and when you go into a corner too fast in 90% of them, you are going to flip (Jeep Liberty, anyone?)

My neighbor backed her gargantuan Ford Extinction into a pole that she (all 5'3" of her) couldn't see at less than 5 mph. Damage? $5000. I have never seen her carry more than she, her 5'6" husband, their 6 year old and some groceries in it in 4 years of living next door. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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post #12 of 73
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post #13 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by sizzle chest:
<strong>I don't hate all SUVs, but I do hate the trendy "upper middle class housewife chatting on her cell phone while nearly taking the front end off of my cute silver beetle in her obliviousness" aspect.
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dittos!!! This drive me nuts as well.

I have a 4runner and I love it. I did not buy it for handling but because its built on a truck frame and it sits up high. When you sit up high, you can see above the cars in front of you which allows you more time to react in case an accident happens on the road ahead of you. Also, when you sit up high, you can see through the windows of the SUV your behind.
post #14 of 73
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post #15 of 73
I have nothing inherantly against SUVs. Indeed, an SUV used for its towing capabilities, it's storage capacity, or its off road ruggedness is just fine in my book.

But that's not what we're talking about, is it? We're talking about every 16 year old who drives a Ford Explorer and every housewife who drives a Navigator because "they feel safe," or because "they have kids," or mainly because they are drones who follow the pack.

SUVs are dangerous to both their drivers and to other drivers, they harm the environment much more than cars do, they are slow, they are unweildy, they blind me, they block my view from behind, and all in all make driving a less pleasent experience.

So, do I hate SUVs? No. But I most certainly do hate the number of SUVs out there that have been purchased for unsubstantiated reasons.

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post #16 of 73
PookJP makes an important point. One SUV on the road is not a problem, but a road full of SUVs makes it less safe for people driving "normal" cars, and especially for those of us in smaller cars.

Seems like every woman under 5' 2" or so gets a power surge from getting behind the wheel of the biggest possible SUV or pickup...
post #17 of 73
As BRussell says,
[quote]Don't like 'em.<hr></blockquote>
post #18 of 73
I have nothing inherantly against SUVs. Indeed, an SUV used for its towing capabilities, it's storage capacity, or its off road ruggedness is just fine in my book.

Hahaha

Im happy your kidding. Right? Right?
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post #19 of 73
Don't think I'd ever get one. If I need room, I'll get a minivan. If I need power and towing, I'll get a pickup. I think SUVs look more effective than they are...

...unless, of course, we're talking about something that you can drive while talking on a cell phone, cutting cars off on the highway, and generally pissing off other drivers, then I'd say that SUVs are REALLY effective.
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post #20 of 73
If you have not driven one then you really cannot say whether or not the vehicle is good for your needs. I seem to remember a thread earlier that Jonathan started with him driving well in excess of 140mph. That kind of driving bothers me more than what some of you are complaining about. Thos people driving SUV's may not need them, but if they get into an accident with you it is not likely to kill you as if Jonathan hit you at 145+.
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post #21 of 73
My family has a 1998 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer.

It's a beautiful/comfortable vehicle. It handles very well, and has a kickass V8 in it. Nice sound system too

But the gas mileage is horrendous. often around 11-14 in normal use. Using cruise control on a long trip you can get around 20. But we pay so much in gas its insane.

I would love to see a company implement a hybrid SUV with regenerative braking and everything. that would certainly help the gas economy a little bit.

The thing that annoys me about them the most though is that they are not considered as trucks. And ones like the expedition and excursion are bigger than any pickup truck I've seen.
post #22 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
<strong>If you have not driven one then you really cannot say whether or not the vehicle is good for your needs. I seem to remember a thread earlier that Jonathan started with him driving well in excess of 140mph. That kind of driving bothers me more than what some of you are complaining about. Thos people driving SUV's may not need them, but if they get into an accident with you it is not likely to kill you as if Jonathan hit you at 145+. </strong><hr></blockquote>

that was on a track, buddy.
post #23 of 73
I have nothing against SUVs. There are dumber habits and trends we should be worrying about first.

Actually, smaller SUVs don't really make as much sense as bigger ones. There are 6 people and 2 large dogs in my family. 4 of my family members are female.

Our choices were big van or big SUV, we picked a Suburban.

If it's emissions we hate, then I don't want to hear a peep from anybody who drives a car from the early-90s or earlier.

The only major problems with SUVs are injury related. You don't want to be hit by an SUV.
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post #24 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
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The only major problems with SUVs are injury related. You don't want to be hit by an SUV.</strong><hr></blockquote>

the fact that nearly none of em average above 15 MPG and some don't egt above 10 is not a major problem?
post #25 of 73
Groverat hates SUVs and cell phones.

But the way the world is moving I will have no way to avoid either.

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post #26 of 73
I do not in general like them. I had an '89 Blazer. Handled like crap, always skidded in the rain and was not great in the snow. Most idiots who drive these things tend to think they're great in inclement weather and drive as if conditions were normal.

As for the space issue, I can fit the same amount of passengers in my Saab and can pretty much fit the same amount of gear in the hatch that I could in the Blazer.
post #27 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by tmp:
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They don't drive like cars, they don't stop like cars and when you go into a corner too fast in 90% of them, you are going to flip...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed.

[quote]<strong>(Jeep Liberty, anyone?)
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:confused: No worse than a Toyota 4-Runner, a Nissa Xterra or a Mistsubishi Montero.
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post #28 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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the fact that nearly none of em average above 15 MPG and some don't egt above 10 is not a major problem?</strong><hr></blockquote>

My 12 year old BMW averages very slightly better than my Suburban. Your point? I bet modern SUVs have better MPG than many of the cars people on this board drive. Sports cars also have worse MPG than regular cars.

The bigger problem is people in general...when people drive any car 4 blocks to g to a friend's house, or people who park on one side of a strip mall to purchase something at one store, and then get back in the car to shop on the other side. People who don't need SUVs probably shouldn't buy them, but that's an issue with people, not the product. And for Groverat, the same goes with cell phones. I have access to an SUV. I don't drive it unless I need it. I have a cell phone. I heed cell phone etiquette...in addition to not having any people that know my cell phone number. It's for calling out, emergencies, coordinating large groups affairs (group dinners, birthday parties...when multiple drivers need to know where they're going when the directions are wrong...)

My crystal ball says...
Viable alternative fuels are probably ~10 years away from being standard fare, so I don't see fuel consumption as a huge problem with SUVs.
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post #29 of 73
Love SUVs.

Love my M3-ass-kickin', Dodge Carvan 2.4L 4-cylinder, t-passenger $14,000, brand new van even better!

The tires are REAL rubber!

(seriously, suvs are great, too. Don't think that I'm making fun of them and don't run over me!)
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post #30 of 73
Well, I bought mine becasue at 6'5", I need a little extra room. I also did not want a pickup or a "boat" luxury car, like a Crown Victoria or something, just to fit comfortably in it. I have a 1997 Explorer (Eddie Bauer )

I know the vehicles limitations and I rarely go over 60 in it (I tend to be a more cautious driver anyway). I never intend to take it off-road or anything, and I do not consider myself the outdoorsie type.

I do agree about the mom aspect which sucks. One listen to the Grand Theft Auto 3 in-game commercial for the Mybotsu (sp?) Monstrosity tells you all you need to know about the average "mommy with an SUV."
post #31 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:
<strong>The need for additional space is a very pressing need and honestly I can see alot of people want more than the Minivan provides. </strong><hr></blockquote>

If space is the main criteria, you get more for your dollar from the minivan than the SUV. You'd have to go to one of the "super sized" SUVs to match the interior space of the "extended" length minivans. The shorter minivans still have as much or more room than the standard size SUVs do. The main appeal of an SUV, in my opinion, is some false sense of status. But, to me it says, "I'm willing to spend more money to get less, just to show off that I can." Of course, if space is not the main criteria, there might be something I'm missing.

P.S. The space comparisons are from old research I've done on more than one occasion. Statitistics are available in several magazines. I got mine from Consumer Report.

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post #32 of 73
I used to drive SUV's for years (lived in VT for quite sometime) . When my wife and I finally decided to buy a new car we new that we needed either 4-wheel drive or all-wheel drive because we were still in the Northeast at the time. Decided to get a Subaru Outback Wagon and haven't looked back! Handles much better than any SUV I have ever had and handles bad weather like a champ. SUW is the way to go.
post #33 of 73
I'd rather get a BMW 3 series wagon with AWD.
post #34 of 73
Most SUV drivers are wretches who don't need SUVs.

I drive a 97 Jeep. Don't think it qualifies as an SUV, or does it? I rarely drive it these days. Of the ~50k miles on it, most are from highway trips driving across country. The rest are mostly camping/canoe trips - in which case it comes in handy. about 20% of my usage is grocery getting.

The types of SUV I hate are those like the Cadillac Escalade. That thing gets stuck easier than most cars. There should be no such thing as a 'luxury' off road vehicle. Either you want luxury, or you want to be in mosquito territory. Pick one.

Real Jeep guys would laugh if they knew I had a CD player in mine.
post #35 of 73
now this is an suv.




that's my buddy's d90.

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post #36 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
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that was on a track, buddy.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Reading through that thread there was more talk about driving very fast on "remote roads" then driving on a track. I stand by my assertion.
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post #37 of 73
Gotta love the snorkel! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by The Milkman:
<strong>Gotta love the snorkel! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Any snorkel higher than the drivers nose misses the point
post #39 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by Timo:
<strong>As BRussell says,
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Oh god, don't bring that up again.


Where I live, in the wild wild west, they have banned cars. Absolutely no one has a car. Well, I do, and if I park in a parking lot, it gets swallowed up in the sea of 4X4s and trucks and SUVs and the like.

When everyone else has one, you have to eventually get one yourself just so you can see around the other cars while you're driving.
post #40 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by roger_ramjet:
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:confused: No worse than a Toyota 4-Runner, a Nissa Xterra or a Mistsubishi Montero.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I only mention the Liberty because it's a brand new vehicle that was flipped, not by CU or Consumer Reports, but by AutoWeek. They took the tone (since they, like most mainstream car magazines, are pretty much in the manufacturers pocket), that this was some random accident during the regular slalom test. Chrysler said it was because they did it in a parking lot. Like nobody ever makes an abrupt turn there.

[quote]Originally posted by eugene:
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The bigger problem is people in general...when people drive any car 4 blocks to go to a friend's house, or people who park on one side of a strip mall to purchase something at one store, and then get back in the car to shop on the other side.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You hit it with that one. My neighbors look at me like I am out of my mnd for walking to the grocery store three blocks away. By the time that I have gotten the car out of the garage, pulled out into traffic, and fought for a parking space in the lot, I can walk there and back.
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