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post #121 of 194
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

I love how folks just keep on with this "Apple was going to put blu-ray in their machines but changed their minds' schtick. Sorry but I don't see it. When Apple added 720p videos to the itunes store it was pretty clear they were trying to push past optical disks.

And the consumers have also made it pretty clear digital movies in their current proprietary and heavily DRM laden form isn't something their interested in. Nobody wants a movie that's lower quality and can only play on devices from one company. While Blu-Ray may or may not catch on, optical disks are not dead by a long shot and digital movies aren't going to catch on until companies, Apple included, get a lot less greedy.
post #122 of 194
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Is it pixel perfect, meaning not scaled?
I think we're using different terms to mean the same idea. I'm pretty sure your computer is still sending out the same full 1920x1080 raster, the difference between that and your 1825x1006 is lost to empty data, ergo, you've just lost 240k pixels of image area.

Yes and no. By lost, meaning the extra resolution, yes. Equate this to opening up your display preferences and selecting 800x600 instead of 1024x768. All SwitchResX does is to tweak the timings in the driver. You end up with a perfect, edge to edge OS X desktop. Nothing is cropped, it's just at a lower resolution.

This isn't the same as some media players like Plex and whatnot that simply use less display area and scale the images down to the app 'display area' defined in the Overscan settings. This is an actual defined 'resolution' in your display preferences.
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post #123 of 194
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

The people that want to hook a mini up to their HDTV are a niche within a niche within a niche.

Hardly. What makes you say that? A Mac Mini connected to your TV is the PERFECT solution to setting up a computer in the living room to watch movies and photos, play music with the iTunes visualiser at parties, catch up on TV shows with the BBC iPlayer, have a computer the kids can use for games (with a wireless keyboard and mouse) so you can keep an eye on them rather than have them go off to their bedrooms, etc.

I have one set up just like that, the only downside is having to route the audio to a separate amplifier so it's more awkward to use than just turning the TV on. If Apple produced a new Mac Mini with HDMI and BluRay I'd upgrade my existing Mini in a flash.

Create a good VNC app for the iPad and I'll buy one of those too, just to use as a fancy wireless keyboard and trackpad for the Mini (think iTunes Remote on steroids).

Neither of those will replace the MBP I use as my main work machine but as a family computer for use in the lounge I don't think the combination can be beat.
post #124 of 194
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Originally Posted by rhowarth View Post

I have one set up just like that, the only downside is having to route the audio to a separate amplifier so it's more awkward to use than just turning the TV on. If Apple produced a new Mac Mini with HDMI and BluRay I'd upgrade my existing Mini in a flash.

Can you REALLY not get your TV to play audio from the Mac mini? With my TV, I can think of three options to make that work.
post #125 of 194
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Originally Posted by DJRumpy View Post

Yes and no. By lost, meaning the extra resolution, yes. Equate this to opening up your display preferences and selecting 800x600 instead of 1024x768. All these apps do is to tweak the timings in the driver. You end up with a perfect, edge to edge OS X desktop. Nothing is cropped, it's just at a lower resolution.

This isn't the same as some media players like Plex and whatnot that simply use less display area and scale the images down to the app 'display area' defined in the Overscan settings. This is an actual defined 'resolution' in your display preferences.

I wasn't saying the desktop was cropped at all. It is the raster signal that is left out.

The problem is that doing that means it's probably not the panel's native resolution. With any flat panel, you pay a scaling penalty any time you use a resolution that's not pixel for pixel to the panel matched to the panel. And if you play video on that computer using the TV as the output, you probably pay two scaling penalties, it scales the video to your computer's resolution, and the TV scales the TV input.

I just tried it again on my recently purchased TV, if I let it overscan, it's scaling and showing obvious scaling artifacts. I tell the TV to fit the signal to the panel, it has a 1:1 pixel mapping, the full 1080p raster shows with no scaling artifacts.
post #126 of 194
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I wasn't saying the desktop was cropped at all. It is the raster signal that is left out.

The problem is that doing that means it's probably not the panel's native resolution. With any flat panel, you pay a scaling penalty any time you use a resolution that's not pixel for pixel to the panel matched to the panel. And if you play video on it, you probably pay two scaling penalties, it scales to your computer's resolution, and the TV scales the TV input.

The clock frequencies do not change. By adjusting the front and back porch, you basically just delay or advance the start of the active signal area. It doesn't change the PAR, but rather the active area of the scan line from what I understand. I see no noticable scaling artifacts switching between 1080P, 720P, or a custom resolution.
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post #127 of 194
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Originally Posted by Undo Redo View Post

Can you REALLY not get your TV to play audio from the Mac mini? With my TV, I can think of three options to make that work.

I'm using the HDMI input on my TV and that expects audio to come on the same cable. If you know of a solution that will inject the audio and doesn't cost $500 please tell me, I have looked into this. My Mini has DVI not Mini Displayport, so the Displayport+Digital audio => HDMI adapters you can buy won't work.
post #128 of 194
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Originally Posted by rhowarth View Post

I'm using the HDMI input on my TV and that expects audio to come on the same cable. If you know of a solution that will inject the audio and doesn't cost $500 please tell me, I have looked into this. My Mini has DVI not Mini Displayport, so the Displayport+Digital audio => HDMI adapters you can buy won't work.

Your mini just needs a TOSLINK adapter. It comes with digital optical out via the same port that you plug a simple analog headphone into (the headphone jack). You basically use HDMI or DVI for the video signal, and a fiber optic cable for the audio via a TOSLINK adapter.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...k+mini&x=0&y=0
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post #129 of 194
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Originally Posted by fluffylump View Post

Would be fine if you routed sound and picture to your AV amp with the one cable. Then continue on from the amp to the TV with another HDMI. That's how I have my ONKYO set up with my Apple TV. All inputs go to the amp and one HDMI goes to the TV. The TV stays on the one source setting and all the switching between sources is handled by the amp. Easy

It isn't really any harder for me either. 2 cables to my receiver and "poof" I'm done. I prefer optical audio myself even on my old mac mini. Why bother using a port you can't hook up to a regular pc monitor?
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post #130 of 194
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Originally Posted by DJRumpy View Post

The clock frequencies do not change. By adjusting the front and back porch, you basically just delay or advance the start of the active signal area. It doesn't change the PAR, but rather the active area of the scan line from what I understand. I see no noticable scaling artifacts switching between 1080P, 720P, or a custom resolution.

Front porch and back porch is for analog TVs and CRT monitors. The term doesn't apply with a digital connector.

To see whether you're scaling, try this on the TV:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/683...art1080tf3.jpg

If it's scaling, you will see several "waves" in the 1080p boxes made up lines of different thicknesses and different shades of gray. The lines are supposed to be equally sized and equally spaced black and white lines, each line is one pixel thick. That way, it should be easy to tell if it's 1:1 pixel mapping or not. If it's just gray, then the TV may be filtering it, covering up the scaling artifacts.
post #131 of 194
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Originally Posted by rhowarth View Post

I'm using the HDMI input on my TV and that expects audio to come on the same cable. If you know of a solution that will inject the audio and doesn't cost $500 please tell me, I have looked into this. My Mini has DVI not Mini Displayport, so the Displayport+Digital audio => HDMI adapters you can buy won't work.

I guess it depends on the inputs your TV has. Mine has a computer audio input which works in conjunction with the HDMI video input. If yours does not, perhaps this gizmo would work: link
post #132 of 194
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Originally Posted by JEDIDIAH View Post

What's simpler than a hard drive? Optical media was always inherently more complex than random access disks. The same goes for tapes. If you can just drag files over and not worry about some sort of hidden mastering process, then the whole thing is much better. It will be more robust because it is simpler. It will also be easier.

A bus powered USB drive is like a gigantic floppy drive and about the same size too.

You can use on any machine with a USB port. ALL of your Macs will be able to use it. The same goes for PCs. Whereas PC BD-ROM drives are still rather unusual.

Then there's always the fun potential of disks not getting along with individual drives. There's bound to be some of that nonsense with bluray.

My point, and what I was responding to was that having a BD drive in my machine that I could use to either play BD movies from or record them to the HDD was simpler than having a DVD drive in the machine, and a separate BD player connected to the system.

I've never had a problem playing Cd, DVD, or BD disks from my PS3, though I prefer playing Cd's through the Cd player, as the quality is better for that.
post #133 of 194
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Originally Posted by requieminadream View Post

Clearly a fake image, come on guys, check your sources:


yeah, c'mon people. This poster clearly knows his stuff, he realises too that the image is merely for illustration purposes.



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post #134 of 194
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Originally Posted by fleggy View Post

I did not think I was. I am pointing out three separate usages.

1) Burning home movies to distribute to family
3) Burning backup data (in my case native AVCHD files - which I don't want to overwrite)
2) Stating the previous poster had his BRD costs wrong for the home theater usage (I have a blu-ray player for this)

Why burn anything? seriously? Compress the files and upload your movies as h264's and let your family download them. Don't you guys have 100 mb cable yet? If not, it's just around the corner. I live in the sticks and have it, so i would assume just about anyone can get it and it doesn't cost any more than DSL did a few years ago.

Further, Hd's are stupid cheap and only getting cheaper. Burning takes forever, burned disks are not archival and when it comes time to transfer those files from an obsolete format, get ready to waste a bunch of time. Not to mention you'll have to burn 2 copies if you want redundancy and you've got files strewn about across potentially hundreds of disks. Forget it, I've already done that with DVD and I don't want to waste time doing it yet again.

ps. why are you out of order?
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post #135 of 194
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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

Why burn anything? seriously? Compress the files and upload your movies as h264's and let your family download them. Don't you guys have 100 mb cable yet? If not, it's just around the corner. I live in the sticks and have it, so i would assume just about anyone can get it and it doesn't cost any more than DSL did a few years ago.

Optimum is a regional carrier, with reach into only three states. Also, their site doesn't advertise a speed faster than 30Mb download, 5Mb upload.
post #136 of 194
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Originally Posted by rhowarth View Post

Hardly. What makes you say that? A Mac Mini connected to your TV is the PERFECT solution to setting up a computer in the living room to watch movies and photos, play music with the iTunes visualiser at parties, catch up on TV shows with the BBC iPlayer, have a computer the kids can use for games (with a wireless keyboard and mouse) so you can keep an eye on them rather than have them go off to their bedrooms, etc.

I think the point is, why would you need the rest of the computer if it only plays media? do you really want a keyboard and mouse hooked up to your TV? A mac mini would require that in it's current form. I've done it and I'm much happier with the Apple TV. Surfing the internet and working on a television display just isn't practical. People want something more like a traditional appliance than a computer. Put the server in a closet and forget the extra hassle.
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post #137 of 194
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Optimum is a regional carrier, with reach into only three states. Also, their site doesn't advertise a speed faster than 30Mb download, 5Mb upload.

Only 3 states? Ok then I take that back. The 100mb plan is "commercial" so i guess I need to take that back as well. I assumed "city dwellers" had easier access to high speed because they always have. The hudson valley has never gotten anything first in telecom. Guess things have changed. Makes me happy though.
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post #138 of 194
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And as usual you haven't read the comment or understood anything about Apple's product line. Where is the slot in that drive? What part of the slot-laoding tech coming after tray-loading at a higher cost often with slower speeds is hard to comprehend? But thanks for pointing out that even the tray-loading drive is selling on eBay for $500 when people claim that they can buy a whole Blu-ray player at BestBuy for under $100.

Firstly, the 9.5mm blu-ray burner sells for $342. I updated the link. Keep in mind that burning could be limited to the high-end models, with playback available across the board, just as it was when Apple adopted DVD.

Secondly, Apple is one of the only PC manufacturers that use slot-load drives; I honestly don't know of any other to be honest. They're also probably the only laptop manufacturer who doesn't limit 9.5mm drives to some premium "ultra slim" series, instead making their entire line-up equally thin. So it's no surprise that, given Apple's reluctance to adopt blu-ray, no slot load blu-ray drive is available on the market.

But given that Panasonic was producing samples of a tray-load 9.5mm blu-ray drive two years ago, I highly doubt any technical challenge remains for producing a 9.5mm slot load blu-ray drive if Apple expressed interest in ordering 12 million of the things per year. I don't recall any slot load DVD players being on the market before Apple put them in the 1999 iMac DV series, either. Lots of hardware components have seemed to not exist before showing up in a new Mac or other Apple product over the years.
post #139 of 194
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Front porch and back porch is for analog TVs and CRT monitors. The term doesn't apply with a digital connector.

To see whether you're scaling, try this on the TV:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/683...art1080tf3.jpg

If it's scaling, you will see several "waves" in the 1080p boxes made up lines of different thicknesses and different shades of gray. The lines are supposed to be equally sized and equally spaced black and white lines, each line is one pixel thick. That way, it should be easy to tell if it's 1:1 pixel mapping or not. If it's just gray, then the TV may be filtering it, covering up the scaling artifacts.

I'll have to fire it up and copy the URL over..back in a sec.
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post #140 of 194
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

You need to look at what's going on around you, right in front of your face. Blockbuster is circling the drain. Hollywood Video has already assumed room temperature. Netflix is in the process of moving to online content delivery. iTunes is already there.

How much evidence does it take to get the picture? Physical media is on the way out and the trend is accelerating. Blu-ray is completely useless as a data storage or backup media when blank discs are expensive and one can buy a 1TB hard drive for under a hundred bucks. Online content delivery is "good enough" and getting better. The Blu-ray titles are twice as expensive as standard DVD. Walk into any video rental store, or Walmart and take a look at the Blu-ray section squirreled away n the corner. Blu-ray is a technology whose time has already come and gone. It's legacy will be as a transitional technology. Why people can't see that is a mystery to me.

So why should Apple waste its time and expense on a technology that is on the way out, just like the floppy disk drive was when the iMac was introduced?

This. So very well stated.
post #141 of 194
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Front porch and back porch is for analog TVs and CRT monitors. The term doesn't apply with a digital connector.

To see whether you're scaling, try this on the TV:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/683...art1080tf3.jpg

If it's scaling, you will see several "waves" in the 1080p boxes made up lines of different thicknesses and different shades of gray. The lines are supposed to be equally sized and equally spaced black and white lines, each line is one pixel thick. That way, it should be easy to tell if it's 1:1 pixel mapping or not. If it's just gray, then the TV may be filtering it, covering up the scaling artifacts.

Here you go. Not sure if the bit of the screen I captured has the data you're looking for though. Since it's a lower resolution you can't see the whole screen. Let me know if I need to capture a different section.

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4...ncapturevj.png

EDIT: Hmm..the raw TIFF look much better than the PNG, but it's 6 MB in size. Not sure if I can upload that to ImageShack or not. Let me give it a try.
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post #142 of 194
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Originally Posted by DJRumpy View Post

Here you go. Not sure if the bit of the screen I captured has the data you're looking for though. Since it's a lower resolution you can't see the whole screen. Let me know if I need to capture a different section.

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4...ncapturevj.png

EDIT: Hmm..the raw TIFF look much better than the PNG, but it's 6 MB in size. Not sure if I can upload that to ImageShack or not. Let me give it a try.

Must have had preview zoomed or something. With both the TIFF and the PNG set to 100% they look pretty much identical. I'll try uploading the TIFF anyway just in case you want to see the original image.

Display resolution is 1824 x 1006

Scratch the TIFF. ImageShack automatically converts it to a PNG anyway

Let me know if this has what your looking for. Make sure you zoom the image in if you view it in Safari, or just download it locally and open it in Preview.
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post #143 of 194
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Front porch and back porch is for analog TVs and CRT monitors. The term doesn't apply with a digital connector.

Not sure where you got the idea that Front and Back porch are not used in LCD technology.

Just search Google for "lcd front porch" for thousands of examples.
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post #144 of 194
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

This. So very well stated.

You've never been to a Walmart, then? Not quite a "corner" in my local store. More front and center Blu-ray stands!

And since you seem to agree that Blu-ray is "on its way out"...care to enlighten us on what is replacing it?
post #145 of 194
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

You're quoting the price of a 1/2 height (~1.75" thick) desktop BD reader, most of Apple's computers don't have space for them inside. I can't find a 9.5mm *slot loading* drive that would work in an Apple notebook.

Apple hardware supports HDCP, you can install Windows on a Mac Pro and play BD content just fine. I wonder if Apple doesn't offer a way for third party software makers to use HDCP in OS X.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=...5aa4278f68e4a4
post #146 of 194
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I don't see any BRDs that are 9.5mm -AND- slot-loading. Even the 12.7mm slot-laoding drives or the 9.5mm tray-loading drives are $500+, that isn't something that would satisfy many people, especially when the common theme is "it should cost only $100". The point remains that it's just not viable on so many fronts for Apple to include BRDs in their notebooks.
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post #147 of 194
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Originally Posted by fleggy View Post

You've never been to a Walmart, then? Not quite a "corner" in my local store. More front and center Blu-ray stands!

And since you seem to agree that Blu-ray is "on its way out"...care to enlighten us on what is replacing it?

Ask Steve Jobs he's on the Blu-ray standards board. That's why he's not going to support it. It's sales are just starting to sky rocket and it takes money out of his pockets. I love Netflix and Hulu downloads, I use them all the time to hook my PC via HDMI up to my High Def TV and it's Free (Netflix with a subscription that I can rent Blu-ray discs on).

Blu-ray like Flash is here to stay for many years. Regardless of what the foaming at mouth die hard haters of technology in this room may think.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I don't see any BRDs that are 9.5mm -AND- slot-loading. Even the 12.7mm slot-laoding drives or the 9.5mm tray-loading drives are $500+, that isn't something that would satisfy many people, especially when the common theme is "it should cost only $100". The point remains that it's just not viable on so many fronts for Apple to include BRDs in their notebooks.

Then Apple should get off their lazy ass and make a device or make a thicker notebook.

Blu-Ray is here to stay as is Flash for many, many years.

Read some other media than Apple sites and Fan forums. Maybe get a room outside of your mom's basement and see that there are many PC users have been very easily unhooking their Blu-ray players and hooking up their notebooks and along with a wireless mouse you have 5.1 dolby sound and Free TV. Not the greatest resolution but it's as good as DVD for most current content.

HDMI is the future, Apple's DVI is a sleazy solution to keep you hooked into their eco system.
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Originally Posted by DJRumpy View Post

The image is irrelevant. I don't think anyone here needs to know what an HDMI connector looks like. You seem the be the only person excited by the fact that the image is a mock-up. Mock-ups are used all of the time for electronics. It doesn't matter if you 'agree with me' or not. No where in the article does it claim that the image is an actual image of this new hardware. You made that assumption on your own.

he was not the only person...
and nowhere in the article? excuse me? a photo with its caption edited in an article is what? is it a google ad?

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There is no mention of AI having obtained images of the mac mini in the article. They have two sources telling them that an hdmi connector is there. That is it. If you look at the image, it has an AppleInsider watermark which means they are laying claim to the photoshopped image as their own. I'm sorry they didn't connect the dots for you.

are you sure? doesn't Watermark on a picture say the originality of the source and the rights for that site?
so when iFixit posts a photo with its watermark, for you it means a mock-up? very funny
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Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post

Firstly, the 9.5mm blu-ray burner sells for $342. I updated the link. Keep in mind that burning could be limited to the high-end models, with playback available across the board, just as it was when Apple adopted DVD.

Secondly, Apple is one of the only PC manufacturers that use slot-load drives; I honestly don't know of any other to be honest. They're also probably the only laptop manufacturer who doesn't limit 9.5mm drives to some premium "ultra slim" series, instead making their entire line-up equally thin. So it's no surprise that, given Apple's reluctance to adopt blu-ray, no slot load blu-ray drive is available on the market.

But given that Panasonic was producing samples of a tray-load 9.5mm blu-ray drive two years ago, I highly doubt any technical challenge remains for producing a 9.5mm slot load blu-ray drive if Apple expressed interest in ordering 12 million of the things per year. I don't recall any slot load DVD players being on the market before Apple put them in the 1999 iMac DV series, either. Lots of hardware components have seemed to not exist before showing up in a new Mac or other Apple product over the years.

Everything I stated was a objective point on what is preventing Apple from including BRDs in their systems. Stating that Apple could make Panasonic make them if they wanted doesn't change anything I stated.

Look, personally I don't care if BRDs come or not so if ODDs are going to be around in notebooks for awhile I am all for the option as it doesn't affect me either way, but that doesn't mean I think Apple will go that route. I absolutely think Apple is holding out until they remove the internal ODD from their notebooks altogether.
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post #151 of 194
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

Then Apple should get off their lazy ass and make a device or make a thicker notebook.

Blu-Ray is here to stay as is Flash for many, many years.

Read some other media than Apple sites and Fan forums. Maybe get a room outside of your mom's basement and see that there PC users have been very easily unhooking their Blu-ray players and hooking up their notebooks and along with a wireless mouse you have 5.1 dolby sound and Free TV.

I see your court apponted anger management class get out early tonight?
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post #152 of 194
It's hard for me to decide which I like less - the apologists or the trolls.

- HDMI in this case is an output - it's for hooking an external display to your computer. Every HDTV made in the last few years has an HDMI input. This has absolutely zero to do with whether or not you have an internal BD player.

- If you do have an internal BD player and you want to transmit not only 1080p video but high resolution audio as well, once again, the industry standard solution is called HDMI. Have you naysayers ever heard Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio played through a compatible sound system? The difference is huge. TOSLink is nearly an order of magnitude less bandwidth.

- Ditto with video bandwidth. There is not currently any other video source (other than stolen ripped BD movies) that approaches the quality of Blu-ray.

Granted not all that many people hook a computer up to their living room TV, but those of us who do know that it's an elegant way to not only consume media in the absolute highest available quality, but also pretty cool for casual web browsing as well. I'm typing this from the couch while playing back NBC Nightly News in a window.

Microsoft currently owns this space, and before anyone has a stroke because of this statement, have you actually seen Windows 7 Media Center? It's a very capable DVR with a great interface. I strongly prefer it over any other DVR I've ever seen. Apple could do well here if they wanted to.
post #153 of 194
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I absolutely think Apple is holding out until they remove the internal ODD from their notebooks altogether.

That day will be a sad commentary indeed on the company who these days is first and foremost a whore for the record companies and movie studios.
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solipsism..

I have a theory on the matter, might sound crazy but still..

Maybe Apple holds off on the audio because of licensing issues concerning HDMI. I don't know how the licensing models look, but if they were to enable audio they would almost certainly have to sell an adapter for mDP to HDMI since that would be the sole purpose of the audio.

And maybe that would require HDMI licensing. A bag of hurt someone called it. Or was that Blue-Ray.?

Well. Who Knows.. except Steve.

Interesting thought. They wouldn't have to sell a mDP-to-HDMI cable if they didn't want to and they already pay the required $1000(?) for the HDMI license and 04¢ per device for each AppleTV. I don't think the license is for each device type, just each company.

I really hope they add audio and data for the mDP port. mDP USB data is already 50% faster than USB2.0. With any luck we'll get USB3.0 on the next builds since waiting 3 more seasons for another release will put them woefully behind, LightPeak isn't ready and ever increasing NAND capacities makes restoring an iPhone a slow process.


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That day will be a sad commentary indeed on the company who these days is first and foremost a whore for the record companies and movie studios.

That will be a happy day, just like when Apple shocked the world by removing the floppy drive. I haven't used the ODD for years, except to restore the OS, but we have other, better options for that. The ODD is taking up 25% of the case and 5" of port-side real-estate in the 13" MB/MBP. If not for the MBA being so thin that only a small capacity 1.8" HDD or SSD can be used I'd have gone with that. The HP Envys already go that route in their 13" and 15" models, but with sufficient performance, ports and storage capacity. It's the wave and way of the future.

I've posted so many times so I'll only put up a link this time to an xray of the MacBook. Check out that huge, slow, power-consuming component that rarely gets used these days: http://mikepk.com/wp-content/uploads...ok-xray-01.jpg (image)
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post #155 of 194
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I see your court apponted anger management class get out early tonight?

I see by your typo and lack of a 15 page reply that you've hit the bottle again.

Can I be banned for commenting on an arrogant posting with the same disregard for feelings?

Go to bed and get up ad post a relevant coherent posting. This is really starting to become a habit for you and I rarely log on to call you out on your lack of knowledge and incoherent postings.
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Sadly, that's a list of mostly dry holes, or 12.5mm slot loading, or 9.5mm tray loading.

I did manage to find this: http://store.fastmac.com/product_inf...roducts_id=338

$999.95 for the PATA version. No SATA version for current models. I do not recall hearing of this dealer before.

http://www.digistor.com/Panasonic-9-...lot-Load-Drive

*call for pricing* - NOT a good sign. I've found a couple others being sold by dealers that I've never heard of, for $300. I'm going to have to assume they're scammers.

Newegg doesn't have them, Amazon doesn't have them (however, a dubious sounding seller in AMZN market place has one for $900), OWC doesn't have them.

One drive I found on eBay was a tray-loader, another, 12.5mm.
post #157 of 194
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

That will be a happy day, just like when Apple shocked the world by removing the floppy drive. I haven't used the ODD for years, except to restore the OS, but we have other, better options for that. The ODD is taking up 25% of the case and 5" of port-side real-estate in the 13" MB/MBP. If not for the MBA being so thin that only a small capacity 1.8" HDD or SSD can be used I'd have gone with that. The HP Envys already go that route in their 13" and 15" models, but with sufficient performance, ports and storage capacity. It's the wave and way of the future.

I've posted so many times so I'll only put up a link this time to an xray of the MacBook. Check out that huge, slow, power-consuming component that rarely gets used these days: http://mikepk.com/wp-content/uploads...ok-xray-01.jpg (image)

There's nothing more useful that the optical drive's space could be used for in a laptop. More ports for what? More storage space than the TB you can already get with a single drive? More battery life than the 7hrs you can already get? Professionals exchange GBs of data every day, and it has to be done in a manner that's 1.) cheap enough you can send a disc away and not care if you never get it back, 2.) reliable, and 3.) shelve-able. Even if they were cheap, you can't shelve a flash drive, because you can't label it. Posting 4GB of data on the internet sucks, let alone 50GB; too many people work daily off slow, unreliable wi-fi connections to post files that large.

To eliminate the optical drive would be an extremely foolish thing to do. It's nothing like the floppy drive, whose demise was a no brainer given it's 1.3MB storage capacity and terrible reliability. People never had floppy drive players in their living rooms, game consoles, and SUVs like they do DVDs. When the floppy drive died, you could already email it's maximum storage quickly and without issue; we're nowhere near being able to easily share 4GB of data quickly and electronically — And if Apple would get with the times, we could be using optical drives whose storage is 6-12 times that which Apple offers its customers now. When you can attach 4GB of data to an email and send it in less than 3 minutes, we can talk about getting rid of the optical drive.

But hey, what am I talking about? Doing work with a Macintosh? That's so 2001. People shouldn't be doing anything with their computers these days besides buying movies, music, books and tv shows from the iTunes Store.
post #158 of 194
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That day will be a sad commentary indeed on the company who these days is first and foremost a whore for the record companies and movie studios.

I think it's the other way around, they just don't realize it yet.
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If they make a Mac-Min with an HDMI port the Apple-TV is dead. At least for me it is. I hardly use mine as it is.
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If they make a Mac-Min with an HDMI port the Apple-TV is dead. At least for me it is. I hardly use mine as it is.

It's a shame Apple more or less hasn't touched the Front Row interface since it's introduction in late 2005. It's missing a ton of features that would be necessary for it to be a real Apple TV replacement; you can't even browse available movie rentals.
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