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Damn, since when have they already done the first part? the free skate portion is tonight, with the lovely Michelle Kwan in first place. That's the only reason I wanna watch is cause I think Michelle Kwan is beautiful. Asian hotties all the way.
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[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>Damn, since when have they already done the first part? the free skate portion is tonight, with the lovely Michelle Kwan in first place. That's the only reason I wanna watch is cause I think Michelle Kwan is beautiful. Asian hotties all the way. </strong><hr></blockquote>

yea, she did very well tuesday night.


If you like Kwan there is a nice feature in last week's Newsweek. Front page and couple pages inside. decent pics
post #3 of 51
oh, I'll add my predictions.

Irena Slutskaya (spelling?) will win.

Kwan will come in a close 2nd.

But I think Sasha Cohen could give the two a run for their money as well

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What was the problem before anywhoo? I kind amissed the whoel jduging scandal or whatever oit iwas . And now I/'m too lazy to lolok it p/. Or type coherently, appartetnly.
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Aww don't say that applenut!

Michelle deserves it so much and I think this is realistically her last shot. She's old for the sport even if she's only 21 (I think). Lipinski was great but I think maybe Michelle deserved the gold in Nagano. She's probably one of the best skaters ever.

Sasha Cohen has some real firepower and I think she could stun. trouble is I don't think she is going to attempt the quad, which would give her major pts if she executed the jump.

I'm really pulling for Kwan though. I heard she was disappointed with the technical marks Tuesday despite coming in 1st. What time is the free skate?
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Sasha Cohen has no reason to attempt a quad. Nobody else can do it, she has no pressure to do it. She is graceful enough on her own...much more so than *ugh* Sarah Hughes.

I hope to JEBUS Slutskaya messes up.
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OMG....I can't believe this....

I just can't believe it....
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Hahahahaa, omg...Sarah Hughes and Slutskaya should have gotten ugly points deducted. That would have put Sasha and Kwan on the top two pedestals.

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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>Hahahahaa, omg...Sarah Hughes and Slutskaya should have gotten ugly points deducted. That would have put Sasha and Kwan on the top two pedestals.

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wow. you are quite the asshole. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

what the hell kind of comment is that? that's just low.

Sarah Hughes was amazing tonight and flawless. Kwan was not. Irena was close.

I still am trying to fully understand what exactly happened but Sarah was by far the best.
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Hey, how do yo guys know what happened? It's 9:30 PST and the NBC announcer just said they'd be right back with the figure skating...LIVE! It even says "LIVE" in the corner of the screen!

As the Games go on, I find I'm watching more and more CBC and less and less NBC. Never thought I'd appreciate living close to Canada. Tonight really gets me, though. CBC showed the Men's Super-G live (for real) around 5, the Women's hockey final live right after that, and the figure skating live right after that (perfectly smack in the middle of prime time). Why does NBC feel the need to tape delay all three (rather exciting) events by 2-3 hours? It's just dumb.
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[quote]Originally posted by Towel:
<strong>Hey, how do yo guys know what happened? It's 9:30 PST and the NBC announcer just said they'd be right back with the figure skating...LIVE! It even says "LIVE" in the corner of the screen!

As the Games go on, I find I'm watching more and more CBC and less and less NBC. Never thought I'd appreciate living close to Canada. Tonight really gets me, though. CBC showed the Men's Super-G live (for real) around 5, the Women's hockey final live right after that, and the figure skating live right after that (perfectly smack in the middle of prime time). Why does NBC feel the need to tape delay all three (rather exciting) events by 2-3 hours? It's just dumb.</strong><hr></blockquote>

NBC (not CNBC and MSNBC which have been great) has really annoyed me with their coverage. They only show the americans and the top 5 or 8 people in an event and they tape delay em all till primetime so they can eat up the ratings. I know they need the ratings but they should at least show some of the events live during the daytime. Much better than watching "The other Half" and a bunch of soap operas followed by Judge Judy
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Yeah, the NBC coverage has been the worst I have ever ever seen for the Olympics. Canadian CBC has been rocking. Almost 24/7 live coverage of the Olympics. And if something is taped they tell you.
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[quote]Originally posted by Falcon:
<strong>Yeah, the NBC coverage has been the worst I have ever ever seen for the Olympics. Canadian CBC has been rocking. Almost 24/7 live coverage of the Olympics. And if something is taped they tell you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

whoa. I wouln't go that far. NBC's Sydney olympics coverage was by far the worst in my short experience of 94, 98, 2000, and 2002.

This one isn't actually all that bad for the way they are doing it. And probably has the most mass market appeal. It's just people like us who actually want to see the entirity of the events that get left out.

Everyone says the CBC coverage is great but I don't get it. I know some in the US do. How? I have DirecTV and get nearly everything
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Oh pfft, applenut, like you calling me an asshole is n't one of the heftier doses of irony on this messageboard. You should have called me an asshole Republican.

They both look like little boys, flexible little boys.

Michelle Kwan has a big honker and Sasha Cohen looks like she builds toys for Santa, but they are both decidedly more attractive to me than the two top placed figure skaters tonight.
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[quote]Originally posted by Falcon:
<strong>Yeah, the NBC coverage has been the worst I have ever ever seen for the Olympics. Canadian CBC has been rocking. Almost 24/7 live coverage of the Olympics. And if something is taped they tell you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Summer last time was much worse.
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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>Michelle Kwan has a big honker...</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't care for Kwan's looks at all. My wife thinks she looks good but I can't see it.
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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>Oh pfft, applenut, like you calling me an asshole is n't one of the heftier doses of irony on this messageboard. You should have called me an asshole Republican.

They both look like little boys, flexible little boys.

Michelle Kwan has a big honker and Sasha Cohen looks like she builds toys for Santa, but they are both decidedly more attractive to me than the two top placed figure skaters tonight.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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there was a point when I looked upon you as a respectable person but you're just a dick
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I'm sorry I don't live up to your expectations.

I like Kwan and Cohen more than Hughes and Slutskaya, who are both very agonizing to watch artistically. Hughes doesn't know where to look in her routines, and Slutskaya just ham-fists all her moves...like when she pulled he leg up behind her head. Some people have no stage presence. Some people do. People like Steve Jobs and Theo Gray from Wolfram have remarkable stage presence while people like Phil Schiller do not. Hughes and Slutskaya are just like Phil Schiller in that respect. They don't have the art.

They should have been deducted ugly points because their artistry was lacking. Did Slutskaya skate a 5.8 presentation for artistry? Did Hughes? No, they were ugly performances compared to Kwan and Cohen's. Plus both Kwan and Cohen are prettier to me.

Whatchutalking'bout, Willis?

Scott, well, I have sort of a complex. I've lived with Asian women all my life. I'm pretty sick of them in general. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

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post #19 of 51
It's hard for Kwan to win when she's sitting on the ****ing ice.
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[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>It's hard for Kwan to win when she's sitting on the ****ing ice.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's true, but the killer was Slutskaya's second place standing, which sent Kwan from 1st to 3rd. Slutskaya's artistic marks were nearly as high as Kwan's. Slutskaya also didn't skate a perfect technical program. She didn't do any triple-triple combos for example.

Like Hamilton said, it was wide open at the end. It depended on the little things, and I feel Slutskaya should have been deducted for both artistry and technical merit.

Of course, if it were up to me, I would have put Kwan in 1st, Hughes in 2nd, and Cohen in 3rd, but Slutskaya didn't fall...she *almost* fell *twice.* Had she fallen even once, I would have put Cohen ahead of her, because Cohen is dazzling on the ice. Her split jumps and split glides are awesome. Her spins are faster than Kwan's and she is also pretty technical. She's the only skater there that could have done a quad jump.

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I do think that Michelle Kwan is ugly (and I'm Asian), but that's irrelevant to me. I was rooting for Sarah Hughes, because she had more "Olympic Spirit". She was very gracious after her short program even though the judges underrated her performance. She just wanted to skate her best, and wasn't focused on winning a medal. As a result, her performance was gutsy and inspiring. On the other hand, Kwan was extremely obsessed with winning the gold medal, and even booed her technical merit scores during the short program. Not very classy if you ask me. Michelle Kwan is a bad role model and needs to grow up. Winning isn't everything.
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[quote]Originally posted by Brian J.:
<strong>I do think that Michelle Kwan is ugly (and I'm Asian), but that's irrelevant to me. I was rooting for Sarah Hughes, because she had more "Olympic Spirit". She was very gracious after her short program even though the judges underrated her performance. She just wanted to skate her best, and wasn't focused on winning a medal. As a result, her performance was gutsy and inspiring. On the other hand, Kwan was extremely obsessed with winning the gold medal, and even booed her technical merit scores during the short program. Not very classy if you ask me. Michelle Kwan is a bad role model and needs to grow up. Winning isn't everything.</strong><hr></blockquote>


couldn't have said it better. for a 16 year old, Sarah Hughes showed a lot more maturity and class than the "veteren" Kwan who has been a stuck up princess for the past 5 years.
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[quote]Originally posted by Brian J.:
<strong>I do think that Michelle Kwan is ugly (and I'm Asian), but that's irrelevant to me. I was rooting for Sarah Hughes, because she had more "Olympic Spirit". She was very gracious after her short program even though the judges underrated her performance. She just wanted to skate her best, and wasn't focused on winning a medal. As a result, her performance was gutsy and inspiring. On the other hand, Kwan was extremely obsessed with winning the gold medal, and even booed her technical merit scores during the short program. Not very classy if you ask me. Michelle Kwan is a bad role model and needs to grow up. Winning isn't everything.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No kidding. Kwan has no presence off the ice, and her on-camera interviews are filled to the brim with FOB-ish grammar errors that make you go hmmm. But that's not the point. Sasha Cohen has a bubbly Olympic Spirit too, but she didn't even get on the podium. If there was a 3rd set of marks for attitude, sure, Cohen and Hughes would be on top.

But that's not how skating is judged. And in the short program, even the commentators pointed out Kwan's technical marks were pretty low...a flurry of 5.7s and even a 5.5, for a routine that saw basically mistakes. Cohen's marks in the short were low too...5.6s!

Plus the 'boo' was purely light-hearted...and you've got to expect the worst from kids raised by ball-and-chain Asian parents, you know. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

Even then, Kwan knows winning isn't everything. She cried in Nagano but she didn't cry in Salt Lake today. This entire facet of this dispute is just a detour. You don't get points for having the Eternal Spirit Olympic FlameĀ® If that was true you'd see that Nepalese nordic skiier win gold. You'd see the Indian luger on TIME magazine brandishing his medal. Georg Hackl would have won gold again. It's not like Kwan through down her flag and started digging he skates in the ice like that Korean guy...or Amy van dyken spitting into the lane of Inge de Bruijn at the Sydney games.

I think applenut's just mad because I dissed Sarah, a New Yorker

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But that's not how skating is judged. And in the short program, even the commentators pointed out Kwan's technical marks were pretty low...a flurry of 5.7s and even a 5.5, for a routine that saw basically mistakes. Cohen's marks in the short were low too...5.6s!<hr></blockquote>

Kwan came out on top in the short program. You can't complain about points in the short program when you win it. She had better marks than everyone else.

personally, I don't even see the point of the short program if its not going to be waited equally to the long.

Cohen looked like a robot in the short program. it was like she was skatng to connect the dats making sure she did each and everything thing she planned. there was no flow. for the long program she loosened up.

she has great potential for 2006.

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I think applenut's just mad because I dissed Sarah, a New Yorker <hr></blockquote>

Not mad. I'm dissapointed in you for ruining a thread with prepubescent remarks that have no relation to the topic at hand and make you look like a fool.
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Of course you can complain. I'm sure Canadians all over complained heavily today when their women's team got the short end of 10 power-plays, 8 of which were probably bad calls. Still, Canada won the gold for Women's Ice Hockey, but there's a lot to complain about. And do you think Jamie Sale and David Pelletier are just happy campers now that they've got their gold medals?

No sane person would argue that Hughes or Slutskaya are more artistic than Cohen or Kwan. Neither Hughes or Slutskaya have 'signature' moves. 17 year-old Cohen has the split, lay-back, forward glide and the "Sasha Spin" (the one where she pulls her leg straight up with her arms while in a spin.) Kwan has the "Pure Joy" S-curve glide with her arms outstretched and one leg in the air. Kwan also has some of the best spirals in the business...not as fast as Cohen's but generally much more intricate.

I follow skating pretty religiously since Albertville, so I think I have some perspective on the sport.

[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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Not mad. I'm dissapointed in you for ruining a thread with prepubescent remarks that have no relation to the topic at hand and make you look like a fool.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nanny nanny boo boo. I am rubber and my daddy can beat up your daddy, but what am I?

Sarah sucks! Yankees suck! Giuliani sucked! Bergdorf Goodman sucks! The Plaza (or formerly known as) sucks! The Hamptons suck! Natalie Portman sucks! Broadway sucks! New York sucks!

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I wasn't a Sarah Hughes fan before she skated. I thought Sasha Cohen was much more graceful, even moreso than Kwan. I guess I wanted Kwan to win the gold medal just for the sake of winning it. However, I think it was apparent that SHE wanted to win the gold more than she wanted to skate, and she couldn't pull it off.

Of the four top skaters, only Hughes skated flawlessly. She was very involved in her performance, not acting nervous, and not consumed with getting a gold medal.

I decided after it was all over that a decision to award the gold to one of the others, who did fall (or almost) would have been wrong. Flexible boy bodies, big honkers, or other attributes that have nothing do with skating notwithstanding!
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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
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If there was a 3rd set of marks for attitude, sure, Cohen and Hughes would be on top.
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I was trying to say that Hughes' attitude showed up in her performance. She just "went for it." (I sort of sound like a Nike commercial.) Her long program was more difficult than her reknowned competitors, and she didn't make any mistakes. Of couse, I'm not a figure skating expert, and I don't know a triple sow-cow from a triple loop, but that's the way I saw it.

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Yeah, tell me about it.
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post #28 of 51
[quote]Originally posted by Barvow:
<strong>Of the four top skaters, only Hughes skated flawlessly. She was very involved in her performance, not acting nervous, and not consumed with getting a gold medal.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Only Hughes skated a technically flawless routine, but both Cohen and Kwan skated more artistic routines. Slutskaya was neither technically explosive tonight, nor artistically driven. All it would have taken to change the leader board completely was one more forward lean on a landing by Slutskaya, by the judges standards. Slutskaya got three 5.9s for artistry and nearly 5.8s across the board for technical merit in a program where Scott Hamilton remarked how slow she was and how she didn't do a triple-triple. Can you believe that?

Oh well! Kwan missed her boat on a fluke, I guess that's why she's handling it much better than Nagano, where the Silver seemed much more tarnished. After her fall, she didn't give up. When the music stopped playing, she had a smile on her face. Of course there's a bit to be consumed by wanting to win the gold medal. When you're the favorite for two Olympics in a row, you're going to feel the pressure to compete.

And of course there was Lillehammer where Kwan was set to go as the alternate until Tonya Harding got a second chance. Of course she really would have had no chance against Oksana Baiul, who leveled the competition (though Gregg disputes that.)

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[quote]Originally posted by Brian J.:
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I was trying to say that Hughes' attitude showed up in her performance. She just "went for it." (I sort of sound like a Nike commercial.) Her long program was more difficult than her reknowned competitors, and she didn't make any mistakes. Of couse, I'm not a figure skating expert, and I don't know a triple sow-cow from a triple loop, but that's the way I saw it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I see it as having nothing to lose. Bode Miller did the same thing. He dug himself a hole in the Combined Downhill / Slalom and a Giant Slalom but he went crazy on his last runs for both events and got double silvers.

Or it's like Bakken and Flowers who were completely overshadowed by Racine and Johnson in the Women's Bobsleigh event. They had nothing to lose.

It was Kwan and Slutskaya's gold to lose, perhaps even Cohen's.
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post #30 of 51
Uh, while we're discussing figure skating...

What's the difference between a triple sow cow, triple loop, triple toe, triple lutz, triple flip, and triple axle?

Thanks in advance!

EDIT: Added more triples.

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[quote]Originally posted by Brian J.:
<strong>Uh, while we're discussing figure skating...

What's the difference between a triple sow cow, triple loop, triple toe, triple lutz, triple flip, and triple axle?

Thanks in advance!

EDIT: Added more triples.

[ 02-22-2002: Message edited by: Brian J. ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you jump counter-clockwise:

A Salchow is the easiest jump. You push off on the left skate while on a backward approach and you swing your right leg out to assist the jump.

A Flip is next easiest. I think it's like a Salchow...almost...but without the swing and with a toe pick.

The Toe-Loop is done by skating backward on the right skate. You extend the left leg backward and the kick it forward to assist the jump.

The Lutz is done with the opposite skate as the Toe-Loop but executed similar, since you are taking off with the left foot, it is quite a bit harder. It's the second hardest jump.

The Axel is the hardest. You approach facing forward, so it's actually a half turn more than other jumps. You approach on the left skate.

I don't know for sure what the Loop is, but I assume it's like the Toe Loop without the toe!

EDIT: er duh. all landings for right-legged jumpers are done on the right skate, facing backward.

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post #32 of 51
Eugene, thanks for the information about the jumps! I can never remember which is which.
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post #33 of 51
I think the judges got it right this time. Slutskya was better than Kwan, but only by a "nose". Sarah Hughes will develop more refined artistry as time goes on. She was the youngest of the top 6 for cryin' out loud. But, on that night, she gave the best performance. (Kind of like Kwan last time, and Nancy before her, eh Eugene?)
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[quote]Of course she really would have had no chance against Oksana Baiul, who leveled the competition (though Gregg disputes that.)<hr></blockquote>

Actually, Baiul was behind (2nd place) after the short program and won the long program to tie it up with Kerrigan. But Baiul's artistic scores were higher, so she won gold. It was very close, but it was an awesome skate for her -- she threw in the unexpected triple in the end to make up for a fall in the short program.

Why do I know so much about this? My mother is Ukrainian, and my sister figure skated for years. (I converted her to hockey around '96 though). This was a big deal in my house.

I thought Slutskaya's performance was better than all of them, but that's sort of personal. She seems taller and more co-ordinated than the rest, and just better to watch. Kwan and the rest seem kind of jerky on the ice. Slutskaya is and was a lot more smooth, despite any technical mishaps.
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post #35 of 51
Slutskaya.

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Hughes and that Russian shemale have no artistery whatsoever, especially Sarah Hughes. Not only is she ugly, but I can't stand her period. Did I mention she's fugly! I know that she performed well but I still don't understand how you can move from 4th to 1st like that. I also DO NOT understand how the Russian got better artistic marks than Kwan when she made mistakes and doesn't come close to the artistic merit Kwan displayed. Other than that slip up on a jump, she really countered well and skated a great performance aside from that. Did she slip on the hardest jump? I was surprised but maybe it was so much pressure for this to FINALLY be her time to win gold. Now it's Tara Lipinski all over again. If Slutskaya or whatever the heck her name is really came in 2nd and the judging was unfair, Michelle could've gotten gold. Still can't believe it was only bronze. Also, Sasha Cohen came sooooooooo close to nailing that triple triple (forget what it is called but it was the hardest combo) which could've given her a realistic shot at the whole thing. She skated well in my opinion, good enough to win a medal I felt. Anywayz, I'm just disappointed.....this was Michelle's time and I don't think she can stick around any longer.

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And for those who say Michelle Kwan is ugly, you're probably attracted to Macy Gray or something. Gotta be kidding me.
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Well she is!
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[quote]Hughes and that Russian shemale have no artistery whatsoever, especially Sarah Hughes.<hr></blockquote>

[quote]I know that she performed well but I still don't understand how you can move from 4th to 1st like that. I also DO NOT understand how the Russian got better artistic marks than Kwan when she made mistakes and doesn't come close to the artistic merit Kwan displayed. Other than that slip up on a jump, she really countered well and skated a great performance aside from that. Did she slip on the hardest jump? I was surprised but maybe it was so much pressure for this to FINALLY be her time to win gold. Now it's Tara Lipinski all over again. If Slutskaya or whatever the heck her name is really came in 2nd and the judging was unfair, Michelle could've gotten gold. Still can't believe it was only bronze. Also, Sasha Cohen came sooooooooo close to nailing that triple triple (forget what it is called but it was the hardest combo) which could've given her a realistic shot at the whole thing. She skated well in my opinion, good enough to win a medal I felt. Anywayz, I'm just disappointed.....this was Michelle's time and I don't think she can stick around any longer. <hr></blockquote>

Exactly.

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[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>And for those who say Michelle Kwan is ugly, you're probably attracted to Macy Gray or something. Gotta be kidding me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Tiga...I don't know about Cleveland but Seattle on any given Weekend has clubs full of Asian women and many are as good looking or better than Kwan. I do think she's attractive though myself.
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