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Apple is currently evaluating a handful of upcoming Mac software updates with the help of an elite group of testers, including Safari 4.0.5, QuickTime 7.66, and significant maintenance release for its pro applications.

Safari 4.0.5

People familiar with the seedings say one of the primary focuses of Safari 4.0.5 is to fix a regression in the browser's JavaScript engine that manifested with the release of Safari 4.0.4. The maintenance release will also reportedly see certain code blocks, like Move Code, transitioned from the Safari codebase to that of Webkit in order to improve cross platform support.

A short list of other enhancements planned for the Safari 4.0.5 include improved HTML5 Video Playback, quicker loading of the Top Sites panels, faster JavaScript performance, better performance loading YouTube, and an overall reduced memory footprint.

Additionally, the release should also sport a much improved Plug-in manager aimed at reducing the number of crashes caused by plug-ins, including Adobe Flash plug-in, people familiar with the current betas say. These advances will reportedly also improve load times for plug-ins.

Safari 4.0.5 is currently undergoing tests in four distinct distributions: a build for Windows, one for Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, one for Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, and another for Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. Each are members of the 405Axx build train and weigh between 26 and 38 megabytes.

QuickTime 7.66

Meanwhile, Apple is also evaluating a maintenance, security and performance release for QuickTime 7 labeled QuickTime 7.66. It's expected to be one of the final updates to QuickTime 7 and is currently undergoing evaluation for Mac OS X Leopard and Windows. The current build is said to be build 23.

Pro Applications Update

Finally, the Mac maker is also wrapping up QA testing on a significant maintenance release to its Final Cut Studio and Pro applications labeled "Pro Applications Update." Those familiar with this release, code named "Iron Man," say it was originally scheduled to go live last week but has been pushed back a week or so for further evaluation.

AppleInsider correspondent Kyla helped contribute to this report.
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As a matter of interest, why are they still developing QT7? Wouldn't those resources be better deployed on QT X?
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... A short list of other enhancements planned for the Safari 4.0.5 include ... a much improved Plug-in manager aimed at reducing the number of crashes caused by plug-ins, including Adobe Flash plug-in, people familiar with the current betas say. T...

I know this is probably just "developer speak" but you make it sound like Safari actually supports user plug-ins and has some kind of end user "management tool" for that purpose.

Safari has no such tool and doesn't officially support plug-ins like FireFox and the others do AFAIK.

Steve Jobs hates customisation dontcha know.
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Cool. Besides improved security and performance I hope they implement separate processes for each tab.

I used the latest Google Chrome for several days. The opening and closing of the app as well the speed of the app itself was great. The only reason I moved back to Safari was for the much better history, including visual history. Other than that, I was sold.


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As a matter of interest, why are they still developing QT7? Wouldn't those resources be better deployed on QT X?

That s coming along with Snow Leopard. QTX is very important to Apple it's part of iPhone OS and Macs. QuickTime 7 is still used on Windows. If they are updating QT7 for Mac it's not the major focus or attention that QTX will be getting, just some security and stability changes. I doubt there will be any noticable performance on QT7 on the Mac side.
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As a matter of interest, why are they still developing QT7? Wouldn't those resources be better deployed on QT X?

Just because a new version is released doesn't mean that the support for older versions drop, especially in this case where QT X is not a real replacement, but rather a new start, sort of.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

I know this is probably just "developer speak" but you make it sound like Safari actually supports user plug-ins and has some kind of end user "management tool" for that purpose.

Safari has no such tool and doesn't officially support plug-ins like FireFox and the others do AFAIK.

Steve Jobs hates customisation dontcha know.

What are you talking about? I have written plugins for Safari. I have two third party plugins (1 Password and Click to Flash) that I have installed separately running in Safari. There is no management tool. You just put (or delete) the plugins in the "Internet Plugins" folder on your hard drive. There is lots of developer documentation on writing plugins at www.apple.com/developer and they are trivial to write.

You may also want to check out this Safari Plugin site:
http://pimpmysafari.com/
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Safari has no such tool and doesn't officially support plug-ins like FireFox and the others do AFAIK.

I don't know, Gaz, I'd say that Safari officially supports plug-ins.
Menu Bar » Help » Installed Plug-ins
file:///Applications/Safari.app/Cont.../Plug-ins.html
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Hey Apple, how about some update love for us Final Cut Express customers? It's the least you could do since you left us out in the cold after shipping a major upgrade to Final Cut Pro, then pointedly ignoring Express like you forgot it exists.

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Apple released ProKit 5.1 update yesterday. It was specifically for the apps you mentioned.
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Hey Apple, how about some update love for us Final Cut Express customers? It's the least you could do since you left us out in the cold after shipping a major upgrade to Final Cut Pro, then pointedly ignoring Express like you forgot it exists.

They dropped the price of Final Cut Pro instead.
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I know this is probably just "developer speak" but you make it sound like Safari actually supports user plug-ins

a quick glance at Macintosh HD/Library/Internet Plug-Ins yields the following:
ClickToFlash.plugin
DirectorShockwave.plugin
DivXBrowserPlugin.plugin
Flash Player.plugin
Flip4Mac WMV Plugin.plugin
iPhotoPhotocast.plugin
QuickTime Plugin.plugin
Silverlight.plugin

so yes, Safari actually does support user plug-ins.

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and has some kind of end user "management tool" for that purpose.

The management tool you use to maintain the plugins is known as "Finder". Open the above folder and trash any plugins you no longer wish to have.
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Apple released ProKit 5.1 update yesterday. It was specifically for the apps you mentioned.

Yes that was my thought ... is this over and beyond 5.1 or a timing error on the reporting? Perhaps this is an update to the actually apps up from FCPro 7.0.1?

64 bit maybe?
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QTX is very important to Apple it's part of iPhone OS and Macs. QuickTime 7 is still used on Windows.

QT7 is still in use on Macs to. in fact I can't stand QTX. It lacks so many features that QT7 Pro has and yet there is no Pro version. Not only that but the UI has problems too. It's pretty, but manually having to roll over the player an then roll out in order to get the control bar to go away annoys me to no end. It should just be off by default and appear on roll over.

Although to be fair, I don't use QTX at in part because if I just want to watch a video I use spotlight, which is an awesome feature that behaves like I expect it and I'm sure it uses the QTX engine.
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Hey Apple, how about some update love for us Final Cut Express customers? It's the least you could do since you left us out in the cold after shipping a major upgrade to Final Cut Pro, then pointedly ignoring Express like you forgot it exists.

My guess is that we have seen the end of active Final Cut Express development.

Apple laid off about forty Final Cut engineers a couple of months ago. While they did not specify which group(s) were affected, my guess is that they killed the Express product.
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QT7 is still in use on Macs to. in fact I can't stand QTX. It lacks so many features that QT7 Pro has and yet there is no Pro version. Not only that but the UI has problems too. It's pretty, but manually having to roll over the player an then roll out in order to get the control bar to go away annoys me to no end. It should just be off by default and appear on roll over.

Although to be fair, I don't use QTX at in part because if I just want to watch a video I use spotlight, which is an awesome feature that behaves like I expect it and I'm sure it uses the QTX engine.

No arguments here. Doing a sceenshot in QTX with a paused video will include the controller even if the mouse isn't over the window. I like a lotvof what QTX has to offer but QT7 has so many great features in the Pro version that just aren't as easy to use in other apps.

I'm sure QTX will evolve. Remember, QT was quite old with a lot of code so a rewrite from the ground up will take time. I think this is what is taking iTunes and othe apps so long to transition as they'll have to get these right out of the gate, especially iTunes as it's a hub to all their iDevices. I expect to see iTunes X arrive this fall with the next iPod event.

Check out Movist. Essentially, it's the versatility of VLC with the look and feel of Mac app. I find myself using it more often for non-MP4 files.
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Leopard is still on the majority of Macs, therefore so is QT7, and it needs a lot more work than QTX.

Any improvements to Top Sites speed and javascript are wholly welcome.

I thought for a minute the article said Flash blocker, but I guess it was my imagination
Click2Flash works brilliantly anyhow.
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Flash? What's that, abandonware?! ;-) Didn't Adobe abandon it years ago and relegate it to crashing and poor performance for many years?! Now they raise it from the grave?
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Leopard is still on the majority of Macs, therefore so is QT7, and it needs a lot more work than QTX.

Any improvements to Top Sites speed and javascript are wholly welcome.

I thought for a minute the article said Flash blocker, but I guess it was my imagination
Click2Flash works brilliantly anyhow.

Apple should have a link to CliktoFlash on the Apple home page.
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No arguments here. Doing a sceenshot in QTX with a paused video will include the controller even if the mouse isn't over the window. I like a lotvof what QTX has to offer but QT7 has so many great features in the Pro version that just aren't as easy to use in other apps.

I'm sure QTX will evolve. Remember, QT was quite old with a lot of code so a rewrite from the ground up will take time. I think this is what is taking iTunes and othe apps so long to transition as they'll have to get these right out of the gate, especially iTunes as it's a hub to all their iDevices. I expect to see iTunes X arrive this fall with the next iPod event.

Check out Movist. Essentially, it's the versatility of VLC with the look and feel of Mac app. I find myself using it more often for non-MP4 files.

Agreed. I do like the direction of the QTX UI overall though, I'm hoping the rumors about the UI refresh system wide are true because I am sort of tired of the current look, Aqua and Brushed metal both seem so dated. Particularly when compared to Windows 7 which sad to say, actually has a better UI than OSX right now in my opinion. But if the whole OSX system look were brought more in line with either Apples pro apps or the QTX look that would be very slick.

Thanks for the tip I'll give Movist a spin, I use VLC all the time, as well as MPEG StreamClip, Perian, and Flip4Mac, lately I have also been using the Adobe Air player. Unfortunately none of them do everything. They all have either some UI or functionality gap.
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What are you talking about? I have written plugins for Safari. I have two third party plugins (1 Password and Click to Flash) that I have installed separately running in Safari. There is no management tool. You just put (or delete) the plugins in the "Internet Plugins" folder on your hard drive. There is lots of developer documentation on writing plugins at www.apple.com/developer and they are trivial to write.

You may also want to check out this Safari Plugin site:
http://pimpmysafari.com/

Okay, everyone noticed this and I explained myself poorly there. What I was differentiating between was developer support for plugins versus user support for plugins.

Yes Safari runs plug-ins.
Yes developers know all about it.
Yes Apple provides (minimal) support docs for writing them.

but ...

No, the fact is not advertised nor mentioned outside of developer circles hardly at all.
and
No, the average user has no idea that this is possible.

I do a lot of tech support work and I have yet to find any user (other than the aforementioned power users, techs, etc.), that knows they can get an adblocker plug-in or click to flash or any of the rest. I get people all the time telling me the main reason they use Firefox is because it supports plug-ins even though Safari supports their version of all the important ones.

There is literally nothing in Safari's UI that would let a user know that plug-in support is possible AFAIK and there was nothing on Apple's website either until a very small blurb was added recently after the release of Safari 4. While most of us here know about the plug-in directory and how to use it, the average user just isn't going to do it or know how to and until the day they stumble across an advertisement for a Safari plug-in, most are unaware that it's even possible. Especially given the history of Apple not even supporting it unofficially for years and years.

Sorry for the confusion in my remarks.
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I know this is probably just "developer speak" but you make it sound like Safari actually supports user plug-ins and has some kind of end user "management tool" for that purpose.

Safari has no such tool and doesn't officially support plug-ins like FireFox and the others do AFAIK.

Steve Jobs hates customisation dontcha know.

You're thinking of add-ons, not plugins. The two are different beasts.
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aiy, aiy, aiy. Apple Insider continues in it's Childish obsession with Flash. Even readings AI's own description of the enhancements, this has nothing to do with Flash at all... it's another real stretch here. Lets see... Apple is putting in some fixes to the plugin manager --> Flash is a plugin --> therefore Adobe stinks and is buggy and crashy? That's basically what the headline was screaming out. Come on guys, grow up.
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A short list of other enhancements planned for the Safari 4.0.5 include improved HTML5 Video Playback, quicker loading of the Top Sites panels, faster JavaScript performance, better performance loading YouTube, and an overall reduced memory footprint.

Good, 724MB is a lot more memory than a web browser should be using.
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Apple testing Safari 4.0.5 with Flash plug-in crash protection

Apple is currently evaluating a handful of upcoming Mac software updates with the help of an elite group of testers, including Safari 4.0.5, QuickTime 7.66, and significant maintenance release for its pro applications.


Wow, bet those elite testers are surfing a lot of porn sites, that's one good way to test the Flash crash protection.

Mostly got a nice list from users who hit "Submit" when the crash reporter appeared.
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Check out Movist. Essentially, it's the versatility of VLC with the look and feel of Mac app. I find myself using it more often for non-MP4 files.

I was hoping Movist would be the answer to my media player woes but unfortunately it doesn't play nice with my JVC receiver over optical with DTS or AC-3 pass-thru. I have the same problem with MPlayer OSX Extended. VLC is the only one that always works but it has other bugs which haven't been fixed. Grr...

As for Safari, I'm looking forward to the update. Safari is my browser of choice because it is the only one which will sync bookmarks with iTunes/iPhone. I was also very impressed with Chrome.
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Will Apple (back)port QuickTime X to Leopard and/or Windows?

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Will Apple (back)port QuickTime X to Leopard and/or Windows?

None of us know for sure, but historically speaking I'd say QTX will not be developed for Leopard. As for Windows, they'll surely update it, maybe giving it visual features from QTX and a better de/encoding engine, but I don't think much of the technology in QTX would be remotely Windows compatible. As I recall, they developed it for iPhone OS since QT7 wasn't a viable option and then adapted it Mac OS X.
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QT7 is still in use on Macs to. in fact I can't stand QTX. It lacks so many features that QT7 Pro has and yet there is no Pro version. Not only that but the UI has problems too. It's pretty, but manually having to roll over the player an then roll out in order to get the control bar to go away annoys me to no end. It should just be off by default and appear on roll over.

Although to be fair, I don't use QTX at in part because if I just want to watch a video I use spotlight, which is an awesome feature that behaves like I expect it and I'm sure it uses the QTX engine.

Totaly agree. QTX is really awful- you can't trim anywhere in the middle, constantly crashes, etc. And converting video to ATV or iPhone takes forever.
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Flash? What's that, abandonware?! ;-) Didn't Adobe abandon it years ago and relegate it to crashing and poor performance for many years?! Now they raise it from the grave?

Perhaps Adobe decided to keep at it, with or without Apple's cooperation.

As much as everyone likes to hate Adobe and flash around here, one would think Apple really truly had nothing to do with Flash running poorly in osx.

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aiy, aiy, aiy. Apple Insider continues in it's Childish obsession with Flash. Even readings AI's own description of the enhancements, this has nothing to do with Flash at all... it's another real stretch here. Lets see... Apple is putting in some fixes to the plugin manager --> Flash is a plugin --> therefore Adobe stinks and is buggy and crashy? That's basically what the headline was screaming out. Come on guys, grow up.

TROLL! LOOK ITS A TROLL! EVERYONE PUT ON IGNORE LIST! (jk)

Nobody around here cares. If Apple tells them to hate Flash, they will, no questions asked. It's not like Flash runs great in Windows because Microsoft cooperated with Adobe developers or anything, oh no.

It's all good though because if more people listen, it will mean Adobe will just have to step up their game, which means cooler stuff for everyone.
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It'll certainly be amusing to watch Steve and the Bloatmeisters at Adobe slug it out. In general, watching people seethe and flux over ubiquitous but inferior software is reminiscent of an extended family where a terribly handsome, utterly charming alcoholic who gives great presents is also know to cruelly beat his children. But here, where no actual children are being abused, we're free to giggle without guilt as the various naked emperors model their pretensions.

Personally, I dealt with Flash's legendary unreliability by removing it. It's remarkable how the performance of Safari and of OS X improve in its absence, and the environment in which I spend 8-10 hours a immediately became so much more peaceful that I felt as though some office hero had finally silenced the coffee room smoke alarm.

I'd never stopped to consider that nearly all Flash content on the web is either advertisement or entertainment. The former is deceit, the latter trivia: both are arguably the excrement of capitalism, and my daily life is much improved by their absence. With rare exceptions, I don't want objects in my environment to move or speak without my permission. (I have friends who serve that purpose.) Without my pausing to consider it, Flash content had turned my virtual environment into the equivalent of a nightmare circus where my stapler, ruler, and pen jar might at any moment leap up on tiny cybernetic legs, dancing and singing "It's a Small World" without warning or invitation.

Perhaps I'm getting old but I find this intrusion both distracting and offensive. I wrote a little script to restore Flash in a trice, should I ever want it. I've never run it. All that imagery turns out to be endless emotional manipulations with virtually no factual content. Who knew?
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pro Apps Still rely on QuickTime 7.

Also pro users use qt7 to convert videos the pro way, something that has been removed in QuickTime X (booooooh!)

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Just because a new version is released doesn't mean that the support for older versions drop, especially in this case where QT X is not a real replacement, but rather a new start, sort of.
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As a professional video user, QTX is unusable. I deleted it and installed QT7, but even after changing the 'open with' info on all files, the system still looks for QTX and nothing happens. I have to drag the file to the QT7 icon every time to open
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As a professional video user, QTX is unusable. I deleted it and installed QT7, but even after changing the 'open with' info on all files, the system still looks for QTX and nothing happens. I have to drag the file to the QT7 icon every time to open

I thought Plug-in Crash Protection was an features of Saferi 4? Why is it suddenly a 4.05 feature?
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It'll certainly be amusing to watch Steve and the Bloatmeisters at Adobe slug it out. In general, watching people seethe and flux over ubiquitous but inferior software is reminiscent of an extended family where a terribly handsome, utterly charming alcoholic who gives great presents is also know to cruelly beat his children. But here, where no actual children are being abused, we're free to giggle without guilt as the various naked emperors model their pretensions.

Personally, I dealt with Flash's legendary unreliability by removing it. It's remarkable how the performance of Safari and of OS X improve in its absence, and the environment in which I spend 8-10 hours a immediately became so much more peaceful that I felt as though some office hero had finally silenced the coffee room smoke alarm.

I'd never stopped to consider that nearly all Flash content on the web is either advertisement or entertainment. The former is deceit, the latter trivia: both are arguably the excrement of capitalism, and my daily life is much improved by their absence. With rare exceptions, I don't want objects in my environment to move or speak without my permission. (I have friends who serve that purpose.) Without my pausing to consider it, Flash content had turned my virtual environment into the equivalent of a nightmare circus where my stapler, ruler, and pen jar might at any moment leap up on tiny cybernetic legs, dancing and singing "It's a Small World" without warning or invitation.

Perhaps I'm getting old but I find this intrusion both distracting and offensive. I wrote a little script to restore Flash in a trice, should I ever want it. I've never run it. All that imagery turns out to be endless emotional manipulations with virtually no factual content. Who knew?

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This is easily one of the most narcissistic comments I have ever read on these forums.

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I'd never stopped to consider that nearly all Flash content on the web is either advertisement or entertainment. The former is deceit, the latter trivia: both are arguably the excrement of capitalism,

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advertisement ...... is deceit

Equating all advertisement to deceit is an astonishing oversimplification of not only advertising, but economics and social structure.

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entertainment..... trivia

Equating all entertainment as trivial is at its core an admonishment of art itself. Because before you can decide that entertainment is trival, you must agree on what entertainment actually is, a hardly ubiquitous perception.


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both are arguably the excrement of capitalism,

Why don't we just tell everyone that anything they find entertaining is trivial and unnecessary and every shop owner that their advertisements are the excrement of capitalism.

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I don't want objects in my environment to move or speak without my permission.

That sounds like a severe mental disorder. Control issues anyone?

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In general, watching people seethe and flux over ubiquitous but inferior software is reminiscent of an extended family where a terribly handsome, utterly charming alcoholic who gives great presents is also know to cruelly beat his children.

Actually using Flash is nothing at all like beating children. Beating children can actually kill them which is wrong on a moral level. Using Flash is something you can choose to do or not by closing your browser or disabling the plug-in..if you didn't spend "8-10" hours a day on the web you would probably understand the difference.

At best sir, you are facetious and narcissistic, at worst you're mentally and emotionally disfunctional. I do agree however, you're not a bad writer. But then neither was Hemingway. He was however a drunk **hole.
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This is easily one of the most narcissistic comments I have ever read on these forums.





Equating all advertisement to deceit is an astonishing oversimplification of not only advertising, but economics and social structure.


Equating all entertainment as trivial is at its core an admonishment of art itself. Because before you can decide that entertainment is trival, you must agree on what entertainment actually is, a hardly ubiquitous perception.




Why don't we just tell everyone that anything they find entertaining is trivial and unnecessary and every shop owner that their advertisements are the excrement of capitalism.



That sounds like a severe mental disorder. Control issues anyone?



Actually using Flash is nothing at all like beating children. Beating children can actually kill them which is wrong on a moral level. Using Flash is something you can choose to do or not by closing your browser or disabling the plug-in..if you didn't spend "8-10" hours a day on the web you would probably understand the difference.

At best sir, you are facetious and narcissistic, at worst you're mentally and emotionally disfunctional. I do agree however, you're not a bad writer. But then neither was Hemingway. He was however a drunk **hole.

Get the F*** outta here! If anybody is "emotionally dysfunctional, it is you "sir"! We've been over this on a different thread, and you actually did a pretty good job showing us some "decent" uses for Flash. Yippee! However, personally attacking other poster's for writing their opinions, which in this case was quite entertaining, is plain "boorish"... and may I remind you, against the forum rules!

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Go back to your fucking zoo
Or whatever it is you do

I don't know why
I don't like what's in your eyes
and I'd love to split 'em wide

I could pretend
Can't you understand
I hate you, my friend

And some call it obsession
And some call it pure hate
And others call it pathetic
But some totally relate

I'd rather go to hell
Than shake your hand or wish you well
In case you couldn't tell

Go ahead boy drink your drink
Go ahead boy do your thing
Can you ????
and the words to every song I sing

I could pretend
Can't you understand
I hate you, my friend
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post #37 of 48
I hated Flash since it wouldn't work with Linux 64 bit in 2004 and afterwards I've always blocked it, even Farmville is so shit lately I've left a desolate wasteland of withered crops I can't be bothered fixing up, maybe it's this:-

Shockwave Flash
Shockwave Flash 10.1 d51 from file Flash Player.plugin.


which really hasn't made much difference.

Maybe I should put this bit in spotlight--> "Flash Player.plugin", find it and delete it, that's how I manage plug ins.

OMG it's stinking Flash bane of my weblife for 6 years.

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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

Perhaps Adobe decided to keep at it, with or without Apple's cooperation.

As much as everyone likes to hate Adobe and flash around here, one would think Apple really truly had nothing to do with Flash running poorly in osx.



TROLL! LOOK ITS A TROLL! EVERYONE PUT ON IGNORE LIST! (jk)

Nobody around here cares. If Apple tells them to hate Flash, they will, no questions asked. It's not like Flash runs great in Windows because Microsoft cooperated with Adobe developers or anything, oh no.

It's all good though because if more people listen, it will mean Adobe will just have to step up their game, which means cooler stuff for everyone.
Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
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Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
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post #38 of 48
I installed the latest Flash Player beta (MAC 10,1,51,95) from http://bit.ly/d4iCTS No crashes yet, and better CPU use so my fans don't spin up as much, but I'll keep clicktoflash to grey-out the ads.
post #39 of 48
A "much improved Plug-in manager" could mean a wide variety of things. Although I doubt Apple would do it, but I'd certainly welcome something like Click2Flash functionality as a native control in Safari. It wouldn't need to be targeted at Flash specifically, perhaps by offering customized control of other plug-ins as well. But if they did add it, then the Apple/Adobe drama would certainly get even more interesting.
post #40 of 48
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

...
Yes Safari runs plug-ins.
Yes developers know all about it.
Yes Apple provides (minimal) support docs for writing them.

but ...

No, the fact is not advertised nor mentioned outside of developer circles hardly at all.
and
No, the average user has no idea that this is possible.

....

There are no but's. You are confusing two different and unrelated things. As others have pointed-out, Apple provides the Internet Plug-ins folder as a global repository for Netscape-style plug-ins. There are a few plug-ins that are browser-specific. With these few exceptions, however, every browser on the Mac uses the same plug-ins. You are correct that Safari does not provide a tool for managing them. I will leave it to others to argue about the necessity of such a tool.

You are confusing Firefox Add-ons with Internet Plug-ins. Add-ons come in two flavors--Extensions which add functionality to the app and Themes which change the appearance of the browser. Firefox includes the Add-ons Tool that allows the user to manage Extensions, Themes, and Plug-ins. Safari supports neither extensions nor themes. However, the plug-ins that are managed using the Firefox Add-ons Tool are same plug-ins used by Safari and every other browser on the Mac.

Are things clear to you now?
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