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post #81 of 94
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Originally Posted by daving313 View Post

While I apologize for that :gasp: second! it takes for a page to turn (my Kindle must not be the norm, the page turns are pretty flawless...and why is this such a big deal to begin with?) As for eBooks in the realm of textbooks and reference books, the same holds true for an iPad as well.

The thing about the iPad is it has the same highly responsive interface as the iPhone. It has an interface that responds instantly to each and every input in less that 1/30s.
So navigation, whether it be web-pages or books or games, has the potential to be instant and intuitive. A 30frames a second you could potentially flick through an entire book in 5 seconds. At 1.5 seconds per page, the Kindle would take thee or four minutes.

E-ink can not deliver a responsive interface. Because every input is followed by a one or two second delay while the screen re-draws itself. That technology simply cannot do "responsive'"

A super-responsive interface is one reason why the iPhone has performed so well in the eyes of users.

Apologies for that.

C.
post #82 of 94
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

At 1.5 seconds per page, the Kindle would take thee or four minutes.


1.5 sec per page? I highly doubt that speed, perhaps 0.5 sec
post #83 of 94
I want a unit the size of the iPhone, for carrying, that expands to the size of the iPad when you when you want to use it. Also must support a stylus.
post #84 of 94
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

The thing about the iPad is it has the same highly responsive interface as the iPhone. It has an interface that responds instantly to each and every input in less that 1/30s.
So navigation, whether it be web-pages or books or games, has the potential to be instant and intuitive. A 30frames a second you could potentially flick through an entire book in 5 seconds. At 1.5 seconds per page, the Kindle would take thee or four minutes.

E-ink can not deliver a responsive interface. Because every input is followed by a one or two second delay while the screen re-draws itself. That technology simply cannot do "responsive'"

A super-responsive interface is one reason why the iPhone has performed so well in the eyes of users.

Apologies for that.

C.

Ha, I'll have to ask my fiance about her "super-responsive" iPhone that takes many seconds to load text messages, open up apps, etc (yes, she does a every few month wipe of the device and re-load as well). I would love to see you swipe through an entire book in 5 seconds also. Please, put that on YouTube. I should put a YouTube up of my Kindle. It does not take 2 seconds to re-draw a page. It is < 1 second, which in this fast-paced world of on demand gotta have it now, is plenty fine.
post #85 of 94
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Originally Posted by daving313 View Post

Ha, I'll have to ask my fiance about her "super-responsive" iPhone that takes many seconds to load text messages, open up apps, etc (yes, she does a every few month wipe of the device and re-load as well). I would love to see you swipe through an entire book in 5 seconds also. Please, put that on YouTube. I should put a YouTube up of my Kindle. It does not take 2 seconds to re-draw a page. It is < 1 second, which in this fast-paced world of on demand gotta have it now, is plenty fine.

The *display technology* on an iPad is capable of updating the entire screen at 60 times a second. With the right navigation software - it could easily display 1 page per frame.
A highly responsive user interface needs a display technology capable of at least 30 refreshes per second. Anything less that that feels sluggish.

I just used my Sony E Reader to page through the first 10 pages of the Avatar screenplay.
I timed it. It took 17 seconds.

C.

Can you watch YouTube on the Kindle?
post #86 of 94
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

Can you watch YouTube on the Kindle?


Is this a serious question?
post #87 of 94
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Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post

Is this a serious question?

Nah, I was messin' widja.

C.
post #88 of 94
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Originally Posted by Aizmov View Post

I'm calling vaporware, but if they do release it before the end of the year I'll buy it.

It does look very cool. Superior to the iPad in many ways. But it is not possible to evaluate it fully based upon a photo.
post #89 of 94
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Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post


And I don't think they won't be good in some situations or in some kind of books (terchnical, school books, art books, cinema books), but what can add to a novel?

Zoomable maps. Cross-references to the author's other books, or to relevant information on the subject matter of the passage. Background music from the period being discussed.
post #90 of 94
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

I must have been dreaming, but I seem to remember full-featured tablets being sold for the last 10 years.

C.

Good point.
post #91 of 94
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Good point.

And they never sold well. I winder how many quarters it will take Apple to sell every tablet ever sold in the past decade. Not many I assume. Of couse, the iPad is a fraction of the coat of past tablets, but that, along with proper HW, OS and apps are what will make it popular.

HW vendors have a grand opportunity to come to market with a tablet built with a mobile OS in mind, not with a desktop OS crammed into a 5lb machin with an hour of usable battery life. Unlike the iPhone launch of 2007 or the launch of App Store, Apple doesn't have luxury of time to build it's user base this time.
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post #92 of 94
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

And they never sold well. I winder how many quarters it will take Apple to sell every tablet ever sold in the past decade. Not many I assume. Of couse, the iPad is a fraction of the coat of past tablets, but that, along with proper HW, OS and apps are what will make it popular.

HW vendors have a grand opportunity to come to market with a tablet built with a mobile OS in mind, not with a desktop OS crammed into a 5lb machin with an hour of usable battery life. Unlike the iPhone launch of 2007 or the launch of App Store, Apple doesn't have luxury of time to build it's user base this time.

I've been thinking about the original point I complimented: That full-featured tablets have been available for years, and have not sold well. I've wondered why.

Maybe as you point out, the form factor is a problem. Maybe Windoze Tablet Edition sucks big time. Certainly the price has been a problem.

So I wonder whether a full-featured tablet is possible in a nice form factor for cheap? If so, then that is what I will wait for. If not, then my laptop stays on my lap, perhaps supplemented someday by a hot-shit little netbook for casual use.

The ONLY thing a tablet might be better for is reading books - the portrait mode is not practical on a netbook.

I also wonder whether a large touchscreen makes any sense. For web surfing, heck, for anything that requires one to position a mouse, a tiny trackpad near your hand position makes a lot more sense than a big screen that needs to be reached with big arm movements. I'd rather move my fingertips on a trackpad than move my arm to reach the screen.

So I wonder whether the "nothing to hold the screen in position" form factor with the "move your whole arm to position the cursor" tablet paradigm is really superior.

As I've said, I'd never consider a 4:3 tablet, because that would ruin the movie watching experience with a tiny picture and large blank areas of screen.
post #93 of 94
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

The ONLY thing a tablet might be better for is reading books - the portrait mode is not practical on a netbook.

Allow me to refine your statement (which I don't agree with btw)

The ONLY thing a tablet might be better for is reading...
To expand that further...The ONLY thing a tablet might be better for is reading AND viewing.

What do you do mostly on the web? Read and view material. Like I said before, having the tablet that many inches/feet closer to your face is going to make a significant difference.

Mouse/Track Pad vs Finger/Hand. We'll see have to wait and see which wins out. The problem with previous tablets is that the OS was made for a mouse, not a finger. The iPad is made to be used with your fingers. I had a Toshiba convertible tablet that I used for an EMR system. It SUCKED. I ended up using it as a laptop because it was too difficult to navigate and input data using just a stylus. This was with an EMR that was mostly point and click with limited typing.

Mouse and keypad is great for OSX and Windows, but I think Apple is aiming to change OSX to be more like the iPhone OS. This will be a hand/finger based OS. Watching my 5 and 8 year old whiz around the iPhone with no instruction leads me to believe that the hand/finger combo will win out in the end.
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post #94 of 94
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

As I've said, I'd never consider a 4:3 tablet, because that would ruin the movie watching experience with a tiny picture and large blank areas of screen.

I don't see that as a problem as a problem. I've watched plenty of movies, Tv show, and other assorted video clips on my iPhone. Almost none are the 3:2 format. You either view with letterbox or double tap to fill the screen. There is scarcely a modern movie I watch on a large 16:9 HDTV that isn't a wider format. While I guess it would be ideal to have the viewer be exactly the same ratio as the content it's a silly request that is rarely going to work out.
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