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Apple this week slashed hundreds -- and in some cases thousands -- of dollars from the cost of its Mac Developer Program annual subscription, which now carries a flat fee of $99 per year.

Previously, developers had to pay between $499 for the "Select" tier and $3,499 for the "Premier" categorization. The newly revamped Mac Developer Program is modeled after Apple's wildly successful iPhone Developer program, and offers technical resources, support and more.

Developers who subscribe receive pre-release versions of forthcoming software for Mac OS X, including the operating system itself.

"Receiving pre-release Mac OS X software is an exclusive benefit for all Mac Developer Program members," the official developer site reads, "and allows developers to begin incorporating the latest technologies into their development process, test for compatibility, and report bugs."

Subscribers also gain access to the Apple Developer Forums, where they can discuss development topics with Mac developers and Apple engineers. The program also offers exclusive development videos from Apple engineers and experts.

Xcode tools are still available as a free download, but access to pre-release software and Apple's technical support are available only with the $99 annual subscription.



With more than 140,000 applications available for download on the iPhone App Store, developers have embraced Apple's mobile platform with the iPhone OS. The coming release of the iPad, based on the iPhone OS, has generated even more interest in the mobile operating system.

With so many developers finding success on the iPhone, Apple is undoubtedly looking to court more developers to write for the Mac platform. At $99, the Mac Developer Program carries the same annual price as the iPhone Developer Program.
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I wondered why I had not heard about this from AI yet. I just noticed it today but I think they changed it a few days ago.

edit: I guess it was just yesterday
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nice idea but the days of a lone coder in the garage are long gone. even on the iphone i see more professional apps that require a team of people and development tools other than what Apple gives you coming out every day
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I guess I didn't read the email very well which Apple sent me today and already deleted.

I have a premium account so I just dismissed it as not applying to me. This is cool if it only costs $99 now that is going to save us a bunch of money. They probably won't send the free t-shirt though which i like receiving. I think it said something about continuing to support the hardware discounts and software download. Can someone verify?

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Does anyone know if you also get to download Snow Leopard Server with this new membership? $500 software for only $100 sounds a little too good to be true.
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Hopefully more developers developing for OS X.

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nice idea but the days of a lone coder in the garage are long gone. even on the iphone i see more professional apps that require a team of people and development tools other than what Apple gives you coming out every day

Did anyone ever code in a garage?
You'd be surprised what one person can accomplish if they are motivated.

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Hardware discounts are not included with membership in the new Mac Developer Program (MDP). Memberships in the Apple Developer Connect (ADC) programs, which do include hardware discounts, are not being renewed and no new ADC memberships are being accepted. Since ADC discounts on fully configured systems could easily exceed the cost of an ADC membership, their elimination helps compensate for the lower $99 price for MDP membership.
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Apple this week slashed hundreds -- and in some cases thousands -- of dollars from the cost of its Mac Developer Program annual subscription, which now carries a flat fee of $99 per year.


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With so many developers finding success on the iPhone, Apple is undoubtedly looking to court more developers to write for the Mac platform. At $99, the Mac Developer Program carries the same annual price as the iPhone Developer Program.


It could be, or the price discount could really mean the Mac is going to be replaced with a bunch of iPad's of various forms instead and Apple felt guilt to charge developers so much for something that's going to be gradually shown the door.

To get back to a more positive note, perhaps with the lower discount Apple will now allow iPhone apps a place on OS X so people can use either on both.

(yes I know the iPhone has a touch screen UI and the Mac a pointer based UI, but still with a little tweaking some can be on either just fine, look at widgets)
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nice idea but the days of a lone coder in the garage are long gone. even on the iphone i see more professional apps that require a team of people and development tools other than what Apple gives you coming out every day

Don't tell that to Steve Sprang creator of Brushes. Apple Special Event January 2010 at the 42:24 minute mark. http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/specialevent0110/

I would suggest that most of the apps a created on the iPhone are done by a single coder and the average team of people is 2.
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nice idea but the days of a lone coder in the garage are long gone. even on the iphone i see more professional apps that require a team of people and development tools other than what Apple gives you coming out every day

Coders don't work in the garage, most of them work from their living rooms. They are a lot like authors. It is pretty much a solitary task.

It is easier then ever these days to develop as a lone coder. The iPhone is not hard to develop for. Apple's development tools are good. Most of the Apps on the AppStore are written by a lone coder. Just because you don't think they could be done by a single person, doesn't mean they are not.

In fact most applications only have a hand full of developers. Software development doesn't scale very well. That is why it is rare to find more then three developers on a project. Plus with the iPhone Apple takes care of the marketing and money handling side of things.
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Did anyone ever code in a garage?

Hewlett-Packard was started in a Palo Alto garage.

Google was started in a Menlo Park garage.
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Hewlett-Packard was started in a garage.

So did Apple, but they were actually building things and not writing code.
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Does anyone know if you also get to download Snow Leopard Server with this new membership? $500 software for only $100 sounds a little too good to be true.

Apple's site says it does come with the server seeds. It also comes with some of the videos. Of course these are "seeds". You can't use them in production. They are only for software development and testing. As usual, they time expire and need their keys updated periodically.

By the way, you have never needed to pay anything to develop for a Mac. The dev tools are free after signing an NDA. All the $99 gives you is software seeds for a few products, pre-release access to new operating systems, a forum that lets you talk about NDA things, the ability to open a few support incidents, and some of the WWDC videos. Still a good deal, but you don't need it to write software.
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It could be, or the price discount could really mean the Mac is going to be replaced with a bunch of iPad's of various forms instead and Apple felt guilt to charge developers so much for something that's going to be gradually shown the door.

To get back to a more positive note, perhaps with the lower discount Apple will now allow iPhone apps a place on OS X so people can use either on both.

(yes I know the iPhone has a touch screen UI and the Mac a pointer based UI, but still with a little tweaking some can be on either just fine, look at widgets)

How did I know that you would somehow twist this into Apple phasing OSX out in favor of iPhone OS? Clearly that isn't the case. Quit trying to turn a toothpick into a pretzel, the facts just don't back your opinion up.
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It could be, or the price discount could really mean the Mac is going to be replaced with a bunch of iPad's of various forms instead and Apple felt guilt to charge developers so much for something that's going to be gradually shown the door.

To get back to a more positive note, perhaps with the lower discount Apple will now allow iPhone apps a place on OS X so people can use either on both.

(yes I know the iPhone has a touch screen UI and the Mac a pointer based UI, but still with a little tweaking some can be on either just fine, look at widgets)

Apple's normal practice is to drop the price of software and services over time as their market share increases. This really isn't out of character for them. Certainly it is pretty likely that the iPad is Apples first step toward replacing OS X and Windows for ordinary users. I'm sure within two years schools will be doing one-to-one iPad programs instead of laptops. There is no way they are planning to eliminate the Mac for power users any time soon though.
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Does anyone know if you also get to download Snow Leopard Server with this new membership? $500 software for only $100 sounds a little too good to be true.

I was wondering how long it would take before someone starting asking on how to game the system.

This is not production software they are letting you have. They do expire after a certain time. That's why they are "developer" seeds. You were planning on actually developing something instead of hoping to get production software at rock-bottom prices right?
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Apple's site says it does come with the server seeds. It also comes with some of the videos. Of course these are "seeds". You can't use them in production. They are only for software development and testing. As usual, they time expire and need their keys updated periodically.

By the way, you have never needed to pay anything to develop for a Mac. The dev tools are free after signing an NDA. All the $99 gives you is software seeds for a few products, pre-release access to new operating systems, a forum that lets you talk about NDA things, the ability to open a few support incidents, and some of the WWDC videos. Still a good deal, but you don't need it to write software.

I want to know if the membership includes the actual production software, the same stuff get if you go to the store and buy it. Some memberships did include this, does it still?

Also I did know the dev tools are free, that is what I am using now.
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Software development doesn't scale very well. That is why it is rare to find more then three developers on a project. Plus with the iPhone Apple takes care of the marketing and money handling side of things.

No it scales. That is the beauty of OOP. But I think when your team reaches 3 developers you also need a product manager.

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By the way, you have never needed to pay anything to develop for a Mac. The dev tools are free after signing an NDA. All the $99 gives you is software seeds for a few products, pre-release access to new operating systems, a forum that lets you talk about NDA things, the ability to open a few support incidents, and some of the WWDC videos. Still a good deal, but you don't need it to write software.

I thought this may need pointing out again.


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How did I know that you would somehow twist this into Apple phasing OSX out in favor of iPhone OS? Clearly that isn't the case. Quit trying to turn a toothpick into a pretzel, the facts just don't back your opinion up.

He's clearly not here to participate, learn or exchange information in anyway. Why hasn't he been banned yet?
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nice idea but the days of a lone coder in the garage are long gone. even on the iphone i see more professional apps that require a team of people and development tools other than what Apple gives you coming out every day

I would say that it's moved in both directions. Super-slick, graphic intensive apps (e.g. AAA video games) can require hundreds of people and millions of dollars. On the other hand, the App Store provides a somewhat more level playing field with regards to marketing and distribution. A developer could make an app, submit it to Apple and have millions of downloads. There is no need for marketing, a website, servers, etc.
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It is easier then ever these days to develop as a lone coder. The iPhone is not hard to develop for. Apple's development tools are good. Most of the Apps on the AppStore are written by a lone coder. Just because you don't think they could be done by a single person, doesn't mean they are not.

Coding for the iPhone is more or less easy. It's high-quality artwork and icons that today's lone coder needs help with. Toolbar icons in particular are notoriously hard to get right.

The App Store is very visual. An attractive app will outsell a well-coded-but-average-looking app every time.
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Also during the website update process Apple messed up something. Now I cannot access the iPhone Developer Center even though I am a paid iPhone developer. I called them this morning and they told me my account is fine but they are experiencing a bug in the system. The Developers Portal and iTunesConnect working fine as long as you access the website using the URL not a link through the iPhone Dev Center. Anyone else having the same problem?
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Apple's normal practice is to drop the price of software and services over time as their market share increases. This really isn't out of character for them. Certainly it is pretty likely that the iPad is Apples first step toward replacing OS X and Windows for ordinary users. I'm sure within two years schools will be doing one-to-one iPad programs instead of laptops. There is no way they are planning to eliminate the Mac for power users any time soon though.


Yes, regular Mac's will continue to go on for quite some time, but it has cause some jitters. Even the A4 has caused some unrest. One would think that Apple would want to get that processor (and it's siblings) into as many boxen as it can to reduce it's per unit costs. But then they got $40 billion to play with.

The iPhone OS jumping over to a device that replaces the functions of Apple's low end laptops might be very good for that segment of Apple's customers, but it doesn't help new computer users learn how to use computers they will face in the workplace, just use a appliance instead.

Perhaps it won't matter.
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The price change says more about the iPhone than the Mac.
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nice idea but the days of a lone coder in the garage are long gone. even on the iphone i see more professional apps that require a team of people and development tools other than what Apple gives you coming out every day

But it is still really cool that you can download their development tools for free. I don't program for a living but love playing around with programming languages. You can't get squat for programming on Windows for free.

I think it is extremely cool that apple is willing to give this stuff away.
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Did anyone ever code in a garage?
You'd be surprised what one person can accomplish if they are motivated.

Especially if that accomplishment allowed them to move out of Mom's garage.
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Especially if that accomplishment allowed them to move out of Mom's garage.

Yeah, my bad. I guess I failed to realize how other people live. I just couldn't imagine coding in the garage.

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But it is still really cool that you can download their development tools for free. I don't program for a living but love playing around with programming languages. You can't get squat for programming on Windows for free.

I think it is extremely cool that apple is willing to give this stuff away.

I would just like to point out that Eclipse, Netbeans, and Visual Studio Express are all major development environments for Windows which are free. IMO, Eclipse and Netbeans are both better for Java development on the mac than XCode, but for C-family languages XCode rocks.
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I am glad of this. The Mac is my favorite of Apple's platforms and I am always more excited to hear about new Mac apps than new iPhone ones. I hope some iPhone devs, having gone to the effort of learning Objective C and the Cocoa Foundation classes, will consider writing some Mac apps.
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Did anyone ever code in a garage?
You'd be surprised what one person can accomplish if they are motivated.

I actually have a neighbor who has converted his garage to be a place where he codes with a couple other guys. I had to do a double take to make sure it was the garage. Sure enough. He pretty much uses half the garage for storage and the other half for coding.

The cars are under a carport.

Whatever floats your boat I suppose.
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. . . the days of a lone coder in the garage are long gone. . . .

?! Maybe in the garage!
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Hardware discounts are not included with membership in the new Mac Developer Program (MDP). Memberships in the Apple Developer Connect (ADC) programs, which do include hardware discounts, are not being renewed and no new ADC memberships are being accepted. Since ADC discounts on fully configured systems could easily exceed the cost of an ADC membership, their elimination helps compensate for the lower $99 price for MDP membership.

Yup, the headline is an idiotic misinterpretation of the facts as usual. Also one has never had to be a paying MDP member to release software, only to get benefits.
In the iPhone Development program one has to pay $99/year to even have the possibility to release software for beta testing--no escaping this. Seems stupid to me, but I guess they figure it filters some folks out and it seems intrinsic to the structure of signed software (but why $99?)
Will this be the case with the new MDP too?--no creation of software for a small audience unless you pay Apple?
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Yeah, my bad. I guess I failed to realize how other people live. I just couldn't imagine coding in the garage.

I sure as heck wasn't talking about me!

My dear old mum is a spry 88. If I was still hanging out in her garage I'd be getting my arse kicked on a daily basis.
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This looks to me like the first step in creating an app store for the MacOS platform - replicating what they have done for the iphone for the Mac....what do you think of that idea?
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This looks to me like the first step in creating an app store for the MacOS platform - replicating what they have done for the iphone for the Mac....what do you think of that idea?

Having been in and around the Apple Developer community since the late 1980's, I think you are spot on.
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This looks to me like the first step in creating an app store for the MacOS platform - replicating what they have done for the iphone for the Mac....what do you think of that idea?

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Having been in and around the Apple Developer community since the late 1980's, I think you are spot on.

I'm half in agreement with dofo's post. I don't see this as a sign that a Mac App Store is imminent, but I do think the success of the iPhone App Store could find its way on the Mac as an easier, safer and friendlier way for getting Mac apps.

However, I don't foresee Apple disallowing the current application installation method. That wasn't expressed or implied but that is how many will take it, unfortunately. I don't even see how Apple could do that without destroying their Mac platform completely.
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Having been in and around the Apple Developer community since the late 1980's, I think you are spot on.

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I am just worried this is the beginning of the end for the mac pro towers. Steve even said "we are a mobile devices company" and they took "computer" out of their name years ago - now we are all iPhone developers who do not need a hardware discount to work and test on the little machines.
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I am just worried this is the beginning of the end for the mac pro towers. Steve even said "we are a mobile devices company" and they took "computer" out of their name years ago - now we are all iPhone developers who do not need a hardware discount to work and test on the little machines.

They are also selling more Macs than ever and making more money than ever selling Macs. There is no reason to believe that they will drop an area of their business that makes them billions a year. They still have Xserves and make OS X Server, which I'm sure sells less than their pro Macs.
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