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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

Good point. Once again, the saying goes. No one is forcing anyone to buy these things. I am pissed that Apple does not out-right allow tethering to the iPad. Noting is saying they won't later, but now the word is no. I am inconvenienced by having to carry another phone (Nokia N86 or soon to purchase N900) as my wifi hotspot creator but I have the choice not to. I can either bitch and moan or carry what I need to make things happen. When in the US, I get a prepaid data card from AT&T, put it in my Nokia, turn on JoikuSpot and have a mobile wifi access point. My MBP and iPhone are happy-happy. I do what I have to do to get by.

It certainly does suck. People obviously get so upset by this because there isn't good enough competition yet to make them jump to another company.

So back on topic, what options are there:
  1. Apple adds iAP to iPad
  2. Jailbreak allows for iAP or USB data through on iPad
  3. Jailbreak allows for iPhone to be WiFi hub
  4. Netshare for those who already have it

Did I miss any?
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post #162 of 331
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

It certainly does suck. People obviously get so upset by this because there isn't good enough competition yet to make them jump to another company.

So back on topic, what options are there:
  1. Apple adds iAP to iPad
  2. Jailbreak allows for iAP or USB data through on iPad
  3. Jailbreak allows for iPhone to be WiFi hub
  4. Netshare for those who already have it

Did I miss any?

Just JoikuSpot. http://www.joikuspot.com/aboutJoikuSpot.php

I swear buy it. It works. Very elegant solution.
post #163 of 331
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

Just JoikuSpot. http://www.joikuspot.com/aboutJoikuSpot.php

I swear buy it. It works. Very elegant solution.

Oh yeah, thanks...

5. The iPhone isn't the only option available
6. You don't have to get an iPad

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post #164 of 331
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Oh yeah, thanks...

5. The iPhone isn't the only option available
6. You don't have to get an iPad


I am interesting in seeing what iPad 3G data plans Apple was able to get out of other carriers in other countries.
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I am interesting in seeing what iPad 3G data plans Apple was able to get out of other carriers in other countries.

I think the fact that it is unlocked means they really didn't ask for much. I have unlimited data right now and can stick this very same SIM card in an iPad can march on. It would appear that right now, the US operators are the only backwards, screw the customer to death operators trying to make more money off of existing connections.
post #166 of 331
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

Sorry. I was trying to show how the use of a winky emoticon could show an attempt at humor. I should have known you would miss it...

Still, it might have helped if I had been clever enough to come up with Noorway!

Sorry about that. And yeah, the Noorway post was a riot.
post #167 of 331
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I am interesting in seeing what iPad 3G data plans Apple was able to get out of other carriers in other countries.

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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

I think the fact that it is unlocked means they really didn't ask for much. I have unlimited data right now and can stick this very same SIM card in an iPad can march on. It would appear that right now, the US operators are the only backwards, screw the customer to death operators trying to make more money off of existing connections.

Are there any indicators at this point, seeing as many countries require unlocked devices or will eventually unlock your iPhone?

I think many were surprised at how low the the data plan was when typically just a data plan for a non-phone these days is $60 for 5GB, hard.

While this a different class of device than a netbook it is Apple's answer to the netbook and possibly a contender for those that want a simply PC-like device between their notebook/desktop and phone/pmp. Here is AT&T's current offering...

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...s/netbooks.jsp (Flash required)
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post #168 of 331
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Originally Posted by noirdesir View Post

And how many of 192 UN member countries (to use one metric) do you need to know to get a B+? 30%? 50%?

I don't know, but Sweeden is not a country, so your comment trying to be humorous failed to get my point of the misspelling by AI. Piece of advice, take time to read comments before trying to be smart, it helps.
post #169 of 331
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Originally Posted by souliisoul View Post

I don't know, but Sweeden is not a country...

I'm pretty sure it's right next to Norwegia.
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post #170 of 331
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

That is a horrible argument. So they give you unlimited data usage and you think you are entitled to hook your phone up to any and all devices, make a hub for your neighborhood or school if you wish, using terabytes a month, despite what the contract you signed clearly stipulated all because you see a phone's data network as a mandatory public utility? For frak sakes people!

Apple is not required to recode the iPad OS to connect via Bluetooth for internet access, AT&T isn't required to allow phone tethering to other devices, and we aren't required to buy their products or use their services. Capitalism FTW!

Wow, methinks you are the one with the weak argumentative skills. I didn't say anything about unlimited data usage, terabytes a month, or sharing my data with neighborhood or school. If you're going to counter my arguments, at least use my statements to base them on and not some fabrication.

My point is/was that when it comes to your data plan, AT&T should be viewed no differently than any other Internet Service Provider. If I paid for 5GB of data per month, it should not be up to AT&T to dictate how I consume those 5GB. Or are you the kind of person that believes that your broadband connection at your home should be limited to only one device and any kind of router or switch should be banned for home use because it would allow you to connect your computer, your iPhone, your iPod Touch, and your iPad through your Airport Basestation to your singular Internet connection?
post #171 of 331
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

Are you challenged some way. Read my tagline.

Did I ever say I do not live in Finland? I work here, I am not FInnish, I am American. Are you really not getting this?

Solipsism explained this to you a while back and you still seem confused.

Swedes call it 'the Helsinki Syndrome'
post #172 of 331
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

It was funny, but his anger was already building back in that post. He was warned of the rules and just kept on going and going and... I guess when someone has a sense of entitlement in one area it likely carries over to other areas.



I agree, and I hate the term but the buyer must also beware. I'm a big fan of the way several other countries are required by law to break out the details.

Remember when companies offered "unlimited/unlimited", referring to an unlimited data with no black out times? Unlimited means an unlimited amount of usage within your contract, and unlimited amount of data on the device in question. They make that clear. We don't have to like it; we can shop elsewhere. Free Market FTW.


Not for me, at least not for the last two years.

PS: The all-you-can-eat plans may come to an end with the next iPhone in order to prevent this. They may even offer the unlimited but raise the price if they find it too costly. If they do, I'm sure many will jump ship, but that is how the free market works.

All Carriers are moving to a multi-tiered pricing plan for their Data Solutions. Bank on it.
post #173 of 331
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Originally Posted by karlfranz View Post

Wow, methinks you are the one with the weak argumentative skills. I didn't say anything about unlimited data usage, terabytes a month, or sharing my data with neighborhood or school. If you're going to counter my arguments, at least use my statements to base them on and not some fabrication.

My point is/was that when it comes to your data plan, AT&T should be viewed no differently than any other Internet Service Provider. If I paid for 5GB of data per month, it should not be up to AT&T to dictate how I consume those 5GB. Or are you the kind of person that believes that your broadband connection at your home should be limited to only one device and any kind of router or switch should be banned for home use because it would allow you to connect your computer, your iPhone, your iPod Touch, and your iPad through your Airport Basestation to your singular Internet connection?

That would have made sense if AT&T didn't offer unlimited plans for the products in question, but they do, so your comments about it being a utility and how you should be allowed to use it in any way you choose regardless of contractual obligations make no sense as my hyperbolical examples clearly showed.

if you get a 3G USB card from AT&T with a 250MB or 5GB limit you are more than welcome to use that connection on any PC you wish. You can even turn on internet sharing and use your machine as a network hub, but that doesn't apply to devices with an unlimited data plan for a specific device, with tethering as a paid option or no option, depending on the device.

As it's been speculated and as AT&T's CEO(?) has recently stated, tiered pricing is inevitable. This may also become a reality with cable providers who will likely be incurring ever increasing internet costs while losing money on TV subscribers.
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post #174 of 331
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

All Carriers are moving to a multi-tiered pricing plan for their Data Solutions. Bank on it.

Which sucks for me as a rampant abuser of AT&T's data network. \

Apple's made iPhone OS 3.1.3 pretty hack-proof at the moment but I have a suspicion that the prominent hackers may be sitting on a solution they don't want to announce before v4.0 arrives. Here's hoping.
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post #175 of 331
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

Your point being?

How about network provisioning and proportionality? Their network is built to sustain the population on a proportional basis. Your argument holds no water.

The Finns were smart not to waste a lot of time building cabled networks. There is 3G everywhere, and the coverage is damn good.

They are now building out wifi everywhere as well.

P.S. The population is about 5.2 to 5.3 million with most of that being in the Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa area.

A country the size of the State of Montana is not that difficult to get wired/wireless.
post #176 of 331
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Originally Posted by palegolas View Post

Someone should make an app for network sharing via Wi-Fi for the iPhone.
"Share my 3G connection with devices using Wi-Fi"

Why has NO ONE brought up jailbreaking and using MyWi? Its $10, one time fee, and it makes your iphone a hotspot(3G and 3GS only)
I use it when im on the road in the states, works great. Even includes a 14 day trial.
Push a button and it starts broadcasting, even has wep and you can choose what channel, just like on your mac. So there is your solution.
post #177 of 331
Glad to see the Apple public relations campaign is still running perfectly.

Seriously though, it's interesting to see the tech fans in general do a 180 on Apple over the past 6 months or so. Refusing Google Voice was the start, and after the seemingly endlesss series of dick moves from Jobs/Apple have turned many Apple fans into Apple haters. Way to go Steve.

If you don't believe me just check out a DIGG comments thread on an Apple story. Used to be they were filled with Apple lovers, now any comment which attacks Apple gets massive numbers of thumbs up.

Even Leo Laporte, one time Apple cheerleader now uses a Nexus One and rarely says anything pro Apple any more.
post #178 of 331
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

A country the size of the State of Montana is not that difficult to get wired/wireless.

Everyone in Montana has access to good quality wireless and broadband? Great, I'm moving! Always fancied learning how to ride a horse.
post #179 of 331
Since when did "No." become a terse word? Me thinks Apple Insider is engaging in sensationalism. No is no. It's an honest answer. Steve Jobs didn't even have to give him a response at all. Should Jobs have apologized to the guy instead?

Just give me the news, AI. Don't try to get me to feel a certain way about it. I find that unnecessary and irritating.
post #180 of 331
Oh well.....ill have to fork out for the 3g version then
post #181 of 331
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

You have a history lot of one-word or terse responses too. I guess you also must be very busy or a.....

The difference with me and him is he's a public representative for a very large company and has certain responsibilities, I'm on some forum and I don't even use my real name. Whether you care yo admit it or not that's a big difference. And his wrath and callousness is pretty much widely known, he can be a huge prick at times. Even Woz of all people hinted at it a few times from what I've seen. Everyone knows this. People here are always oversensitive to criticisms of Jobs and Apple, it always makes me wonder why.
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post #182 of 331
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Originally Posted by Volk View Post

Since when did "No." become a terse word?

Since it's a one worded e-mail, which isn't common really. And since terse means: Sparing in use of words; abrupt. It is easy to over-analylsze e-mails from any public figure though.
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post #183 of 331
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Originally Posted by allblue View Post

Ooh ooh I know this one! It's next to Noorway, just above Deenmark!


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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I'm pretty sure it's right next to Norwegia.

News Flash: Maybe AI got it right the first time, namely that Steve Jobs indeed "fired off a tersely worded email reply to a user in Sweeden..."

Jezper Söderlund could very well be 1 of the 171 proud residents of Sweeden, Kentucky, who just so happens to blog on a Swedish website....... and who is laughing his ass off while we play Marco - Polo locating his country... Oops, that should read: county. See? It's an easy oversight. And, let's face it, it's certainly an excusable mistake for the overworked and underpaid News Editor in the AI Situation Room.

Hey, don't laugh. I paid-off Security for a peek at the nerve centre, or "Bletchley" as it's called in-house. The place is mayhem; complete chaos to me, a casual observer. Fresh ticker tape freewheels off the Apple News Wire, zings into space and lands atop mountains of yesterday's tape that dutifully delivered its news cycle's blockbuster news. Phones ring off the hook; reporters at every station; news-jockeys sprint from blackboard to blackboard, chalking-up every anonymous but on the record tip, every painstakingly decoded snippet of Steve Jobs' morning tea leaves; the daily Foxconn briefings from the embedded gardening staff -- all used to braid together for us a full picture of half of the story. And, lest I forget, they record every wink and twitch from every market analyst (familiar with the matter), prepared to pronounce after enormous research and group thinking, every hard, cold, speculative fact. It truly is a veritable orchestra of Swiss precision -- all conducted by the Barron himself, Maestro Kasper.

An Automated Slave? Well, sadly so. He's a slave to the highest of arts, the Art of Irrefutable Rumour. Indeed, he wears the burden of irrepressible talent, something he'll carry to his grave, but when someone is a Mozart in a world of Salieris, the Art, well, it becomes more important than the artist.

And oh, how sweet is his art...
post #184 of 331
Allowing tethering would mean Apple would sell less units of the 3G model of the iPad, so it would not make business sense for the company. Apple's bottom line comes first, as it does for almost all companies - everything else is accessory to that goal. Also this would probably make for an awkward user experience.

If you don't like Apple business choices you can either jail break the devices, or buy from a company that provides you with the solutions that suit you.
post #185 of 331
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There are so many ways to define unlimited

Sorry, but no. This is as untrue as anything you could possibly post. I usually agree with you, but you are substantially off base with your comments re: the word Unlimited.

Whether AT&T chooses to abuse a marketing word or not is another matter, and what they put in their fine print is yet another (see the class action lawsuit against AT&T ETFs if you think fine print is god....here's a hint, it ain't.)
post #186 of 331
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I think many were surprised at how low the the data plan was when typically just a data plan for a non-phone these days is $60 for 5GB, hard.

Nice. Here in Canada we pay that for 500MB!
post #187 of 331
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

People here are always oversensitive to criticisms of Jobs and Apple, it always makes me wonder why.

That's an interesting issue you raise. I have wondered about that too.

My honest conclusion? A guy like that, who in so many ways demands our respect, admiration, and embodies our desire for purpose and clarity, also perhaps holds a mirror to certain negative traits in us that we tend to overlook or minimize.

Speaking for myself, that is.....
post #188 of 331
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

With v3.0 Beta tethering was enabled across the board up until the last couple weeks. The help.benm.at tething profiles have been great to allow the built-in tethering option with a simple profile without having to use those complex jailbreak app solutions.

However, tethering with the latest iPhone v3.1.3 on AT&T is not possible (at least not for me) and there is essentially no way to revert back to an earlier version of iPhone OS, unless you took steps before hand with a jailbroken iPhone to ensure that you could.

Did not realize that this method was now broken - I use it so little I just assumed... and we all know what they say about assume! My apologies to any I misled - I should have verified that this still worked first.
post #189 of 331
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Originally Posted by souliisoul View Post

I don't know, but Sweeden is not a country, so your comment trying to be humorous failed to get my point of the misspelling by AI. Piece of advice, take time to read comments before trying to be smart, it helps.

I guess I was always better in geography than spelling.
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Originally Posted by ajmas View Post

Nice. Here in Canada we pay that for 500MB!

Like hell we do
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

That's an interesting issue you raise. I have wondered about that too.

My honest conclusion? A guy like that, who in so many ways demands our respect, admiration, and embodies our desire for purpose and clarity, also perhaps holds a mirror to certain negative traits in us that we tend to overlook or minimize.

Speaking for myself, that is.....

You are indeed speaking for yourself, cause I personal believe the only "healthy" relationship you can have with Apple (not Steve) is a sort of love-hate one. Steve makes great decisions and is a great CEO to have at the top of a technology product company, but at the end of the day that's all Apple is, a product company that produces products. Respect is too strong a word, if we're talking about respect than we're talking about people like our parents, people who work with the homeless, and true stars like Rogers, Cash and Eastwood--that have reputations for always putting people first.

Steve is often criticized and most times (not all) the arguments are valid, but some people here no matter what the point, criticism or argument go on the defensive--that's just wrong, and moreover that's the sort of cult-like behavior some Mac users are known and hated for. It's sick, frankly. That's what people talk about when they say: "drinking the kool aid".
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post #192 of 331
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

I think the fact that it is unlocked means they really didn't ask for much. I have unlimited data right now and can stick this very same SIM card in an iPad can march on. It would appear that right now, the US operators are the only backwards, screw the customer to death operators trying to make more money off of existing connections.

It will be interesting to see if a mechanical hack (i.e., cutting an iPhone SIM card to size*) will allow connection to unlimited data. That of course will not solve the tethering issue itself unless you have an unlocked iPhone (legally or otherwise) and a carrier that allows tethering. I for one will be happy to read about cutting down the SIM card and ways of shimming it back into the iPhone since it sounds VERY unstable to me.

That is truly a hack.



*You could of course find a carrier that allows tethering and has the tiny SIM card (that is really not in use in the US - or so I understand) but that would mean a second contract (i.e., monthly payment).
post #193 of 331
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

The difference with me and him is he's a public representative for a very large company and has certain responsibilities, I'm on some forum and I don't even use my real name. Whether you care yo admit it or not that's a big difference. And his wrath and callousness is pretty much widely known, he can be a huge prick at times. Even Woz of all people hinted at it a few times from what I've seen. Everyone knows this. People here are always oversensitive to criticisms of Jobs and Apple, it always makes me wonder why.

At the risk of being pigeon-holed as one of those people who defends Jobs due to some subconscious condition I cannot control, I would say that this is somewhat inaccurate.

It seems to me that rather than an irrational defence of someone who is actually a "prick," what sometimes goes on is that we demonise the guy far more than is really necessary or true. I would argue for instance that while his "wrath" is well known and well-documented, I don't see any evidence that he is similarly well-kown for "callousness."

Almost all the stories I have heard or read about Steve Jobs being a tyrant, or flying off the handle at someone, happened years ago, before he was forced out of Apple in fact. In my experience young men in that kind of position often let their ego's get the better of them and most are similarly "prick-ish" if you want to put it that way.

The evidence would tend to indicate that he was never as bad as he was during that one short period, now immortalised by the "Pirates of the Silicon Valley" movie, which has now been so widely circulated that's it's considered almost akin to the Bible in terms of being a true document of what happened. The most recent descriptions of Jobs by people who meet him and work with him that I've read run along the lines of him being "engaging," "entertaining," "funny," and "fun to be around."

I think what happens is that in a predominantly male-oriented culture (the tech geeks), made up of individuals with a very binary world view of things (like Jobs everything is either "fantastic" or "shit"), that a lot of angry, angry young men project their *own "asshole-ishness" onto the figure of Jobs to justify their own anger and frustration. Far from being a bunch of doe-eyed fans praising his every move, what I see is a group of angry young men backhandedly justifying their own anger by projecting it onto Steve Jobs.
post #194 of 331
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Respect is too strong a word, if we're talking about respect than we're talking about people like our parents, people who work .....

This is a person whose leadership has created a lot of wealth for me (e.g., help put my kids through college), and whose company regularly produces a set of products that create value for me as a consumer. More than any other that I can think of.

This is extremely difficult to do in a world that is full of a competition-driven race to the bottom.

Why wouldn't I -- anyone -- respect something like that?!
post #195 of 331
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Far from being a bunch of doe-eyed fans praising his every move, what I see is a group of angry young men backhandedly justifying their own anger by projecting it onto Steve Jobs.

Very well-said.

PS: Not only 'young,' though.... ;-)
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Originally Posted by PeterO View Post

News Flash: Maybe AI got it right the first time, namely that Steve Jobs indeed "fired off a tersely worded email reply to a user in Sweeden..."

Jezper Söderlund could very well be 1 of the 171 proud residents of Sweeden, Kentucky, who just so happens to blog on a Swedish website....... and who is laughing his ass off while we play Marco - Polo locating his country... Oops, that should read: county. See? It's an easy oversight. And, let's face it, it's certainly an excusable mistake for the overworked and underpaid News Editor in the AI Situation Room.

Hey, don't laugh. I paid-off Security for a peek at the nerve centre, or "Bletchley" as it's called in-house. The place is mayhem; complete chaos to me, a casual observer. Fresh ticker tape freewheels off the Apple News Wire, zings into space and lands atop mountains of yesterday's tape that dutifully delivered its news cycle's blockbuster news. Phones ring off the hook; reporters at every station; news-jockeys sprint from blackboard to blackboard, chalking-up every anonymous but on the record tip, every painstakingly decoded snippet of Steve Jobs' morning tea leaves; the daily Foxconn briefings from the embedded gardening staff -- all used to braid together for us a full picture of half of the story. And, lest I forget, they record every wink and twitch from every market analyst (familiar with the matter), prepared to pronounce after enormous research and group thinking, every hard, cold, speculative fact. It truly is a veritable orchestra of Swiss precision -- all conducted by the Barron himself, Maestro Kasper.

An Automated Slave? Well, sadly so. He's a slave to the highest of arts, the Art of Irrefutable Rumour. Indeed, he wears the burden of irrepressible talent, something he'll carry to his grave, but when someone is a Mozart in a world of Salieris, the Art, well, it becomes more important than the artist.

And oh, how sweet is his art...

You write well. Keep it up!
post #197 of 331
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Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post

It will be interesting to see if a mechanical hack (i.e., cutting an iPhone SIM card to size*) will allow connection to unlimited data. That of course will not solve the tethering issue itself unless you have an unlocked iPhone (legally or otherwise) and a carrier that allows tethering. I for one will be happy to read about cutting down the SIM card and ways of shimming it back into the iPhone since it sounds VERY unstable to me.

That is truly a hack.

There are plenty of indie cell phone stores that have a machine to copy a Sim to a mini Sim. From what I hear, the charge is minimal.
post #198 of 331
If you think your carrier will allow tethering on a wifi handheld device for which there is already a 3G model, you've got another thing coming.
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Sorry, but no. This is as untrue as anything you could possibly post. I usually agree with you, but you are substantially off base with your comments re: the word Unlimited.

Unlimited time
Unlimited data usage
Unlimited bandwidth
Unlimited devices

All of those refer to a way a carrier could offer an unlimited service and simply stating unlimited on a poster does not and should not infer that all four of those items are considered unlimited. As i've stated, I'm not a fan of the US marketing system. I think they should be required to disclose more info pre-contract because many people just don't know better when it comes to how the technogy works. Though it should be clear in the contract that tethering is not allowed while unlimited data usage is permitted.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

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I think what happens is that in a predominantly male-oriented culture (the tech geeks), made up of individuals with a very binary world view of things (like Jobs everything is either "fantastic" or "shit"), that a lot of angry, angry young men project their *own "asshole-ishness" onto the figure of Jobs to justify their own anger and frustration. Far from being a bunch of doe-eyed fans praising his every move, what I see is a group of angry young men backhandedly justifying their own anger by projecting it onto Steve Jobs.

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