Reader: Steve Jobs says no tethering between iPad and iPhone - Page 5

Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

Good point. Once again, the saying goes. No one is forcing anyone to buy these things. I am pissed that Apple does not out-right allow tethering to the iPad. Noting is saying they won't later, but now the word is no. I am inconvenienced by having to carry another phone (Nokia N86 or soon to purchase N900) as my wifi hotspot creator but I have the choice not to. I can either bitch and moan or carry what I need to make things happen. When in the US, I get a prepaid data card from AT&T, put it in my Nokia, turn on JoikuSpot and have a mobile wifi access point. My MBP and iPhone are happy-happy. I do what I have to do to get by.

Originally Posted by solipsism

It certainly does suck. People obviously get so upset by this because there isn't good enough competition yet to make them jump to another company.

So back on topic, what options are there:

1. Apple adds iAP to iPad
2. Jailbreak allows for iAP or USB data through on iPad
3. Jailbreak allows for iPhone to be WiFi hub
4. Netshare for those who already have it

Did I miss any?

Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

Just JoikuSpot. http://www.joikuspot.com/aboutJoikuSpot.php

I swear buy it. It works. Very elegant solution.

Originally Posted by solipsism

Oh yeah, thanks...

5. The iPhone isn't the only option available
6. You don't have to get an iPad

Originally Posted by NasserAE

I am interesting in seeing what iPad 3G data plans Apple was able to get out of other carriers in other countries.

Originally Posted by Bageljoey

Sorry. I was trying to show how the use of a winky emoticon could show an attempt at humor. I should have known you would miss it...

Still, it might have helped if I had been clever enough to come up with Noorway!

Originally Posted by NasserAE

I am interesting in seeing what iPad 3G data plans Apple was able to get out of other carriers in other countries.

Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

I think the fact that it is unlocked means they really didn't ask for much. I have unlimited data right now and can stick this very same SIM card in an iPad can march on. It would appear that right now, the US operators are the only backwards, screw the customer to death operators trying to make more money off of existing connections.

Originally Posted by noirdesir

And how many of 192 UN member countries (to use one metric) do you need to know to get a B+? 30%? 50%?

Originally Posted by souliisoul

I don't know, but Sweeden is not a country...

Originally Posted by solipsism

That is a horrible argument. So they give you unlimited data usage and you think you are entitled to hook your phone up to any and all devices, make a hub for your neighborhood or school if you wish, using terabytes a month, despite what the contract you signed clearly stipulated all because you see a phone's data network as a mandatory public utility? For frak sakes people!

Apple is not required to recode the iPad OS to connect via Bluetooth for internet access, AT&T isn't required to allow phone tethering to other devices, and we aren't required to buy their products or use their services. Capitalism FTW!

Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

Are you challenged some way. Read my tagline.

Did I ever say I do not live in Finland? I work here, I am not FInnish, I am American. Are you really not getting this?

Solipsism explained this to you a while back and you still seem confused.

Originally Posted by solipsism

It was funny, but his anger was already building back in that post. He was warned of the rules and just kept on going and going and... I guess when someone has a sense of entitlement in one area it likely carries over to other areas.



I agree, and I hate the term but the buyer must also beware. I'm a big fan of the way several other countries are required by law to break out the details.

Remember when companies offered "unlimited/unlimited", referring to an unlimited data with no black out times? Unlimited means an unlimited amount of usage within your contract, and unlimited amount of data on the device in question. They make that clear. We don't have to like it; we can shop elsewhere. Free Market FTW.


Not for me, at least not for the last two years.

PS: The all-you-can-eat plans may come to an end with the next iPhone in order to prevent this. They may even offer the unlimited but raise the price if they find it too costly. If they do, I'm sure many will jump ship, but that is how the free market works.

Originally Posted by karlfranz

Wow, methinks you are the one with the weak argumentative skills. I didn't say anything about unlimited data usage, terabytes a month, or sharing my data with neighborhood or school. If you're going to counter my arguments, at least use my statements to base them on and not some fabrication.

My point is/was that when it comes to your data plan, AT&T should be viewed no differently than any other Internet Service Provider. If I paid for 5GB of data per month, it should not be up to AT&T to dictate how I consume those 5GB. Or are you the kind of person that believes that your broadband connection at your home should be limited to only one device and any kind of router or switch should be banned for home use because it would allow you to connect your computer, your iPhone, your iPod Touch, and your iPad through your Airport Basestation to your singular Internet connection?

Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer

All Carriers are moving to a multi-tiered pricing plan for their Data Solutions. Bank on it.

Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

Your point being?

How about network provisioning and proportionality? Their network is built to sustain the population on a proportional basis. Your argument holds no water.

The Finns were smart not to waste a lot of time building cabled networks. There is 3G everywhere, and the coverage is damn good.

They are now building out wifi everywhere as well.

P.S. The population is about 5.2 to 5.3 million with most of that being in the Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa area.

Originally Posted by palegolas

Someone should make an app for network sharing via Wi-Fi for the iPhone.
"Share my 3G connection with devices using Wi-Fi"

Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer

A country the size of the State of Montana is not that difficult to get wired/wireless.

Originally Posted by anantksundaram

You have a history lot of one-word or terse responses too. I guess you also must be very busy or a.....

Originally Posted by Volk

Since when did "No." become a terse word?

Originally Posted by allblue

Ooh ooh I know this one! It's next to Noorway, just above Deenmark!

Originally Posted by solipsism

I'm pretty sure it's right next to Norwegia.

Originally Posted by solipsism

There are so many ways to define unlimited

I think many were surprised at how low the the data plan was when typically just a data plan for a non-phone these days is $60 for 5GB, hard.

Originally Posted by Ireland

People here are always oversensitive to criticisms of Jobs and Apple, it always makes me wonder why.

Originally Posted by solipsism

With v3.0 Beta tethering was enabled across the board up until the last couple weeks. The help.benm.at tething profiles have been great to allow the built-in tethering option with a simple profile without having to use those complex jailbreak app solutions.

However, tethering with the latest iPhone v3.1.3 on AT&T is not possible (at least not for me) and there is essentially no way to revert back to an earlier version of iPhone OS, unless you took steps before hand with a jailbroken iPhone to ensure that you could.

Originally Posted by souliisoul

I don't know, but Sweeden is not a country, so your comment trying to be humorous failed to get my point of the misspelling by AI. Piece of advice, take time to read comments before trying to be smart, it helps.

Originally Posted by ajmas

Nice. Here in Canada we pay that for 500MB!

Originally Posted by anantksundaram

That's an interesting issue you raise. I have wondered about that too.

My honest conclusion? A guy like that, who in so many ways demands our respect, admiration, and embodies our desire for purpose and clarity, also perhaps holds a mirror to certain negative traits in us that we tend to overlook or minimize.

Speaking for myself, that is.....

Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

I think the fact that it is unlocked means they really didn't ask for much. I have unlimited data right now and can stick this very same SIM card in an iPad can march on. It would appear that right now, the US operators are the only backwards, screw the customer to death operators trying to make more money off of existing connections.

Originally Posted by Ireland

The difference with me and him is he's a public representative for a very large company and has certain responsibilities, I'm on some forum and I don't even use my real name. Whether you care yo admit it or not that's a big difference. And his wrath and callousness is pretty much widely known, he can be a huge prick at times. Even Woz of all people hinted at it a few times from what I've seen. Everyone knows this. People here are always oversensitive to criticisms of Jobs and Apple, it always makes me wonder why.

Originally Posted by Ireland

Respect is too strong a word, if we're talking about respect than we're talking about people like our parents, people who work .....

Originally Posted by Gazoobee

Far from being a bunch of doe-eyed fans praising his every move, what I see is a group of angry young men backhandedly justifying their own anger by projecting it onto Steve Jobs.

Originally Posted by PeterO

News Flash: Maybe AI got it right the first time, namely that Steve Jobs indeed "fired off a tersely worded email reply to a user in Sweeden..."

Jezper Söderlund could very well be 1 of the 171 proud residents of Sweeden, Kentucky, who just so happens to blog on a Swedish website....... and who is laughing his ass off while we play Marco - Polo locating his country... Oops, that should read: county. See? It's an easy oversight. And, let's face it, it's certainly an excusable mistake for the overworked and underpaid News Editor in the AI Situation Room.

Hey, don't laugh. I paid-off Security for a peek at the nerve centre, or "Bletchley" as it's called in-house. The place is mayhem; complete chaos to me, a casual observer. Fresh ticker tape freewheels off the Apple News Wire, zings into space and lands atop mountains of yesterday's tape that dutifully delivered its news cycle's blockbuster news. Phones ring off the hook; reporters at every station; news-jockeys sprint from blackboard to blackboard, chalking-up every anonymous but on the record tip, every painstakingly decoded snippet of Steve Jobs' morning tea leaves; the daily Foxconn briefings from the embedded gardening staff -- all used to braid together for us a full picture of half of the story. And, lest I forget, they record every wink and twitch from every market analyst (familiar with the matter), prepared to pronounce after enormous research and group thinking, every hard, cold, speculative fact. It truly is a veritable orchestra of Swiss precision -- all conducted by the Barron himself, Maestro Kasper.

An Automated Slave? Well, sadly so. He's a slave to the highest of arts, the Art of Irrefutable Rumour. Indeed, he wears the burden of irrepressible talent, something he'll carry to his grave, but when someone is a Mozart in a world of Salieris, the Art, well, it becomes more important than the artist.

And oh, how sweet is his art...

Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot

It will be interesting to see if a mechanical hack (i.e., cutting an iPhone SIM card to size*) will allow connection to unlimited data. That of course will not solve the tethering issue itself unless you have an unlocked iPhone (legally or otherwise) and a carrier that allows tethering. I for one will be happy to read about cutting down the SIM card and ways of shimming it back into the iPhone since it sounds VERY unstable to me.

That is truly a hack.

Originally Posted by pmz

Sorry, but no. This is as untrue as anything you could possibly post. I usually agree with you, but you are substantially off base with your comments re: the word Unlimited.

Originally Posted by Gazoobee

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I think what happens is that in a predominantly male-oriented culture (the tech geeks), made up of individuals with a very binary world view of things (like Jobs everything is either "fantastic" or "shit"), that a lot of angry, angry young men project their *own "asshole-ishness" onto the figure of Jobs to justify their own anger and frustration. Far from being a bunch of doe-eyed fans praising his every move, what I see is a group of angry young men backhandedly justifying their own anger by projecting it onto Steve Jobs.