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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

If you think your carrier will allow tethering on a wifi handheld device for which there is already a 3G model, you've got another thing coming.

In my country I get to choose where, how, when and on how many devices i Wish to use it. And I get true unlimited, so it doesn't make difference for carriers.

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Originally Posted by Povilas View Post

In my country I get to choose where, how, when and on how many devices i Wish to use it. And I get true unlimited, so it doesn't make difference for carriers.

It does in the US.
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

Are you challenged some way. Read my tagline.

Did I ever say I do not live in Finland? I work here, I am not FInnish, I am American. Are you really not getting this?

Solipsism explained this to you a while back and you still seem confused.

DAMN SAM i am f ing joking with you

i thought it was very nice to be in your tag line ,
saying i knew from your accent is a joke since i can;t really hear your accent on line ..now can i ??

anyway i like your posts so lets be buddie;s ok

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post #204 of 331
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In my country I get to choose where, how, when and on how many devices i Wish to use it. And I get true unlimited, so it doesn't make difference for carriers.

And where exactly would that be?
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

It does in the US.

US is not the whole world.

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And where exactly would that be?

Lithuania.

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US is not the whole world.

Your point being?
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post #208 of 331
Let's throw it back to Apple, if that makes some of you happy. If Apple has a (more expensive) 3G model, why allow tethering on the less-expensive wifi model? It's not evil, it's business. I wish it were different, as a consumer, but Apple *knows* the iPad will be huge and that demand will be high. I'd do the same thing in Apple's unibody shoes.
post #209 of 331
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

If you think your carrier will allow tethering on a wifi handheld device for which there is already a 3G model, you've got another thing coming.

Too bad this is happening to you but as I stated a few pages back, I do this whenever I come to the US. I use my Nokia on a prepaid AT&T card, and connect my MBP or my iPhone to it. AT&T has zero point zero clue as to what is going on.

Here in Finland, the operators actually have lives and try to encourage data usage. Before you offer up the lame-o argument that Finland is not as large as the US, I also pointed out proportionality there is no difference. Well one. Here in Finland the operators planned for and built out for grow rather than just pocketing all the money and then blaming the subscribers.

In short, US networks and the guys running them suck. My son is a manager at Verizon and he says Verizon is run by satan himself with AT&T being not much better.
post #210 of 331
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Your point being?

Tethering should be option where it's legaly allowed. And here, in Europe" it's pretty much allowed.

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post #211 of 331
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

Too bad this is happening to you but as I stated a few pages back, I do this whenever I come to the US. I use my Nokia on a prepaid AT&T card, and connect my MBP or my iPhone to it. AT&T has zero point zero clue as to what is going on.

Here in Finland, the operators actually have lives and try to encourage data usage. Before you offer up the lame-o argument that Finland is not as large as the US, I also pointed out proportionality there is no difference. Well one. Here in Finland the operators planned for and built out for grow rather than just pocketing all the money and then blaming the subscribers.

In short, US networks and the guys running them suck. My son is a manager at Verizon and he says Verizon is run by satan himself with AT&T being not much better.

It's actually better in Canada, but Rogers has certain limits as well, but I find them quite a bit more flexible than what I'm seeing from US carriers. Besides, carrier competition in Canada is heating up.
post #212 of 331
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

It's actually better in Canada, but Rogers has certain limits as well, but I find them quite a bit more flexible than what I'm seeing from US carriers. Besides, carrier competition in Canada is heating up.

This is a good thing. You guys need competition and a different business model. Here it is usage based, i.e. make a call you pay for it. It is free to receive calls, and subscriptions (when there are any) are very flexible. Here you can get an iPhone on a one year contract, and unlocked at the end of the contract or you can get an iPhone, pay out the contract, have it unlocked BUT you will still have to "retain" the original SIM card for one year. Many people do this. They buy the phone outright. Unlock it, turn off all services on the contract SIM to where it is about 1 a month, then they go and find better deals from other operators and put these SIMs in the phone.

@Povilas,

I agree with you. Europe has much more liberal and smart policy regarding phone usage.
post #213 of 331
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Originally Posted by Povilas View Post

Tethering should be option where it's legaly allowed. And here, in Europe" it's pretty much allowed.

To wit, Lithuania is not "Europe."
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

To wit, Lithuania is not "Europe."

Hmmmm..... http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Lituania
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To wit, Lithuania is not "Europe."

Really?

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Originally Posted by Povilas View Post

Really?

Let's not have an unnecessary Sunday morning linguistics battle, okay?

He did not say "To wit, Lithuania is not in 'Europe.'" As, the U.S. is but one country that cannot speak for other country policies, so it is for Lithuania vis a vis other European countries. (at least, I think that's what he meant)
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Originally Posted by CurtisEMayle View Post

Let's not have an unnecessary Sunday morning linguistics battle, okay?

He did not say "To wit, Lithuania is not in 'Europe.'" As, the U.S. is but one country that cannot speak for other country policies, so it is for Lithuania vis a vis other European countries. (at least, I think that's what he meant)

Curtis gets the gold star.
post #218 of 331
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Originally Posted by Povilas View Post

Tethering should be option where it's legaly allowed. And here, in Europe" it's pretty much allowed.

I agree that It would great if it was allowed, but this talk of what a company should do is moot. Do you not have a free market? Are companies not allowed to offer the features that best work with their business model and their partners?

If we don't like it we can find ways around it (I've been terheting in the US for 2 years), or vote by buying a competitor's product that does allow it. This is a new device so maybe they plan to add iAP later but that isn't commonly used an Apple has always been slow with BT so I doubt it.

As it's been stated before, Netshare allows you to share you iPhone cellular via WiFi. Netshare isn't allowed in the US but if tethering is in your country then shouldn't than app be available on your Apple Store? Even if Netshare is no longer available, what is to stop other countries from making apps allow WiFI sharing?
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post #219 of 331
"Lithuania ish not Europe, Dr. Ryan."


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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

Hmmmm..... http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Lituania

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Originally Posted by Povilas View Post

Really?

Really.

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Originally Posted by CurtisEMayle View Post

Let's not have an unnecessary Sunday morning linguistics battle, okay?

He did not say "To wit, Lithuania is not in 'Europe.'" As, the U.S. is but one country that cannot speak for other country policies, so it is for Lithuania vis a vis other European countries. (at least, I think that's what he meant)

Thanks.

PS: Careful, CurtisEMayle, you might get called for not recognizing that it s late afternoon in Europe. :-D
post #221 of 331
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

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Really.



Thanks.

PS: Careful, CurtisEMayle, you might get called for not recognizing that it s late afternoon in Europe. :-D

Indeed, that was a very parochial comment.
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And you were wrong. Anyway.......
post #223 of 331
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

The thing is. In Europe, well Finland for sure, the operators are not afraid of competition and openly encourage users to use as much data as possible. I have been tethering my iPhone to my MBP daily for the last 6 months and have used about 5 to 6 gives a month. I got a twin card last month that allows me to have the same data access (real unlimited data) simultaneously on both cards all for 9 a month. I run my MBP off of my Nokia while I allow other in my office to piggy-back off of my iPhone. Yup. You guys are getting screwed over. Damn it has to suck being in the States with a data capable phone and being screwed to the wall to use it.

I agree, no similar restriction here, it seems to be a US/AT&T restriction. A lot of people are mistaking restrictions put in place by AT&T for restrictions being put in place by Apple. Apple allow tethering in other countries, the only different factor is the network operator. Maybe you Americans should be shouting at AT&T. I'm pretty sure it won't happen, but there's nothing to stop AT&T offering a deal with a free secondary sim so that same contract covers both devices.

As someone has previously stated, Apple "do not own the pipes", this seems to be a carrier decision, not Apple's.
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And you were wrong. Anyway.......

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post #225 of 331
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A lot of people are mistaking restrictions put in place by AT&T for restrictions being put in place by Apple. Apple allow tethering in other countries, the only different factor is the network operator. Maybe you Americans should be shouting at AT&T.

While AT&T is a problem, it's not just AT&T, it's other carriers, too. Tethering is an additional cost and if you buy a USB card for a PC the cost is $60/month, usually with a hard cap of 5GB.

Part of the problem is technological limitation of competition since the CDMA-based carrier phones are inherently locked to the carrier and the two GSM-based carriers are only compatible on '2G', but not '3G'.

Another issue is the socially accepted and rampant subsidization model locking customers into a company for 2 years. You can't have proper competition if you are only competing at purchase. I'm in the minority, but I'd have preferred to pay full price for an unlocked iPhone with a lower cost plan, but it would still be locked and the plan wouldn't change so what is the point.

Even the unlocked iPad is still effectively locked in the US market as it doesn't have the 3G spectrum needed for T-Mobile USA. This squarely falls on Apple as they could have made the HW with the additional 3G radio. This also gives me doubt that Apple is letting go of AT&T if they couldn't even make this unlocked device work on T-Mobile. Hopefully the radio is in there but not announced as Apple sometimes does.
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post #226 of 331
Well let me add to my European colleagues that you can tether in India using your data plan.
I found it really funny that USA is lagging behind rest of world with concern to this functionality.

P.S. http://shop.informatm.com/marlin/300...sh=1001d1d82f6 will give all information concerning European countries mobile carriers policies and practices.
post #227 of 331
Buy a Kindle and tether it to your phone, does it allow it?

I wonder if carriers will subsidise an iPad, I'd rather have an iPad than the netbooks they currently offer subsidised on data plans here in Australia.

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I'm not sure which posts you are replying to here, but this only makes sense if everyone is talking about the USA market.

The thing that is bothering a lot of folks this morning after hearing this news is a great deal of us *do* have a contract that allows tethering. It's a very common thing outside of the USA. The idea that I would have to have separate data contracts for separate devices and pay a monthly fee for each is just absolutely insane to me.

I have tethering now. I pay my bill and I'm allowed 6GB a month of data through the iPhone, regardless of whether the phone pulls it down for itself or for a tethered laptop. Why would it be any other way? To me it's just a scam that any company would try to charge you extra. I have a contract that allows for tethering to computers and for 6GB of data. Data is data.

To find out this morning that for no *technical* reason at all, that this will be "disallowed" for this particular computer, simply so the carriers can make more money is like a slap in the face. This is just greed, plain and simple.

If my carrier sold me a contract where I pay 70 bucks a month for 6GB (they did), then obviously there is no strain on their infrastructure if I stay within it. It's like they are telling me they have planned for that bandwidth and indeed sold it to me. I currently only use a few hundred megs every few months, with the rest being free because, well it's a phone and how much data can you use anyway. With the iPad and editing documents I might get a bit closer to actually using my data allotment, but now (again for no technical reason at all), they are saying that I have to buy a second separate contract for that data even though I already have a contract that has 5.95GB of data I'm not using?

This is absolutely insane. It's borderline fraud. It's a sweetheart deal between Apple and the carriers that takes a normal computing device that is capable of tethering and uses a software "fix" to purposely disable it based on an agreement with the carrier that they should do so. It's collusion between Apple and the carrier to screw over the customer.

I've been arguing against jail-breaking devices for the entire time the iPhone has been in existence and now with the iPad, if it's possible to hack it and enable the tethering it I'll be doing it for the first time. I find this whole thing kind of offensive. It shakes my faith in Apple as a basically good company that they would do this.
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post #228 of 331
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I'm not sure which posts you are replying to here, but this only makes sense if everyone is talking about the USA market.

The thing that is bothering a lot of folks this morning after hearing this news is a great deal of us *do* have a contract that allows tethering. It's a very common thing outside of the USA. The idea that I would have to have separate data contracts for separate devices and pay a monthly fee for each is just absolutely insane to me.

I have tethering now. I pay my bill and I'm allowed 6GB a month of data through the iPhone, regardless of whether the phone pulls it down for itself or for a tethered laptop. Why would it be any other way? To me it's just a scam that any company would try to charge you extra. I have a contract that allows for tethering to computers and for 6GB of data. Data is data.

To find out this morning that for no *technical* reason at all, that this will be "disallowed" for this particular computer, simply so the carriers can make more money is like a slap in the face. This is just greed, plain and simple.

If my carrier sold me a contract where I pay 70 bucks a month for 6GB (they did), then obviously there is no strain on their infrastructure if I stay within it. It's like they are telling me they have planned for that bandwidth and indeed sold it to me. I currently only use a few hundred megs every few months, with the rest being free because, well it's a phone and how much data can you use anyway. With the iPad and editing documents I might get a bit closer to actually using my data allotment, but now (again for no technical reason at all), they are saying that I have to buy a second separate contract for that data even though I already have a contract that has 5.95GB of data I'm not using?

This is absolutely insane. It's borderline fraud. It's a sweetheart deal between Apple and the carriers that takes a normal computing device that is capable of tethering and uses a software "fix" to purposely disable it based on an agreement with the carrier that they should do so. It's collusion between Apple and the carrier to screw over the customer.

I've been arguing against jail-breaking devices for the entire time the iPhone has been in existence and now with the iPad, if it's possible to hack it and enable the tethering it I'll be doing it for the first time. I find this whole thing kind of offensive. It shakes my faith in Apple as a basically good company that they would do this.

well said!!
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Buy a Kindle and tether it to your phone, does it allow it?

I wonder if carriers will subsidise an iPad, I'd rather have an iPad than the netbooks they currently offer subsidised on data plans here in Australia.

How much are they in Australia? AT&T charges $200 for a netbook with a 2-year contract at $60;month for 5GB. Not exactly a good deal, IMO.
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post #230 of 331
What idiot actually expects ATT to allow multiple devices to piggyback off of a data pkg you have for your phone? Insane. We have a family plan with several iPhones. Should I switch my account to a single line and expect ATT to allow all my devices to piggyback off of it?

Insane!!
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

What idiot actually expects ATT to allow multiple devices to piggyback off of a data pkg you have for your phone? Insane. We have a family plan with several iPhones. Should I switch my account to a single line and expect ATT to allow all my devices to piggyback off of it?

Insane!!

Then why can't Apple provide combined plan for both iphone and iPad at discount rate for existing iPhone users, or I am just an idiot for thinking that, since I love to full AT&T pocket with my money for no reason

P.S. no one is idiot for giving their opinion, especially a valid point!
post #232 of 331
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Buy a Kindle and tether it to your phone, does it allow it?

Why would you want/need to since the Kindle internationlly has the feature...

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Then why can't Apple provide combined plan for both iphone and iPad at discount rate for existing iPhone users,

I'm assuming because Apple doesn't offer data plans...

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or I am just an idiot for thinking that, since I love to full AT&T pocket with my money for no reason

If you don't like what you're spending, cancel your contract.
post #234 of 331
Roughly the same monthly cost in $A 5GB, zero upfront 24 months, $A40 for the plan $A20 a month for the netbook.

Dell Mini 10, Samsung something or Asus something, depending on the phone company.

Most of our phone plans involve zero up front, that's just the way it is here, due to habit and competition.

I'll weigh any plans up against buying a 3G version iPad outright and using the prepaid data SIM from the USB modem I use with my MacBook.

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How much are they in Australia? AT&T charges $200 for a netbook with a 2-year contract at $60;month for 5GB. Not exactly a good deal, IMO.
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post #235 of 331
'fired off tersely worded'

wow. what an emotional read of two letters...
post #236 of 331
Just $US2 added to the cost of each book, that's how Amazon covers roaming costs via AT&T roaming partners.

If I wanted to avoid that cost why shouldn't I tether it to my iPhone, use my data I've paid for and pay less for books?

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Why would you want/need to since the Kindle internationlly has the feature...

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I think the problem was not with "terse" but with "worded." How can a one word reply be worded (plural)?

I e OP.

How can a one word reply NOT be worded (plural)?

show me how you would write this

terse worded or terse word

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post #238 of 331
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Just $US2 added to the cost of each book, that's how Amazon covers roaming costs via AT&T roaming partners.

If I wanted to avoid that cost why shouldn't I tether it to my iPhone, use my data I've paid for and pay less for books?

Intersting that you avoided answering Jfannings questions. Anyway, can you provide proof of the additional 2 dollars that you said Amazon charges to cover the costs to AT&T?
post #239 of 331
No, I'll put you on the ignore list with jfanning and occasionally look at your comments.

Etsi Kindle Australiassa.



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Intersting that you avoided answering Jfannings questions. Anyway, can you provide proof of the additional 2 dollars that you said Amazon charges to cover the costs to AT&T?
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