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I guess they didn't happen.

I'm on a similar boat. I'm waiting for a Mac mini update \

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post #42 of 166
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I'm waiting for a Mac mini update \

That won't happen anytime soon. They've just been updated on October 20, 2009.
post #43 of 166
Anyone think Tuesday the 16th for the i5/i7 MBPs? I'm really hoping for them this week...maybe the "delay" is so long between refreshes because it will be a major change (bigger than just the processor switch?)
post #44 of 166
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That won't happen anytime soon. They've just been updated on October 20, 2009.

Either way I'll be forced to get a Mac mini soon. My G4 Cube runs Tiger and can't be upgraded to Leopard and the iPad needs Leopard.

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post #45 of 166
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I hope that at some point of time in the future Apple finally will become adult. What currently happens around the new MBPs is rather Kindergarten like. A car maker like say BMW announces a new car several months ahead. It says a new MBP will be available in yyyymm. You, customer, have the choice to buy now or wait for the new one, but we play with open cards and treat you as equal partners.
Apple doesn't think like that. I wonder if they even laugh about one of those stupid ones who buy a new computer on Friday and a new glories MBP gets announced next Tuesday.

That's not a valid analogy for two reasons:
1. A new BMW may be released four years after the last one. The difference between a new BMW and one four years earlier is insignificant compared to a new computer and a four year old computer.
2. BMW (and Audi, et al.) go to great lengths to hide their future models including testing them with fake bodywork.
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post #46 of 166
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That won't happen anytime soon. They've just been updated on October 20, 2009.

April 20, 2010 will be around 6 months from that update.
Would it reasonable to look for an update to the Mini around 4/20/10 or later?
post #47 of 166
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That won't happen anytime soon. They've just been updated on October 20, 2009.

You have no basis with which to make such a concrete statement. You very well may be right, but you don't know their time tables any better than I do. Once they upgrade the MacBook, there will be little reason for them to stick with the Core 2 Duo processors in the Mini.
post #48 of 166
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April 20, 2010 will be around 6 months from that update.
Would it reasonable to look for an update to the Mini around 4/20/10 or later?

It took Apple around 19 months to do a major refresh of the Mini the last time (going from a C2D/GMA 950 -> C2D/9400m). That October update was minor speed bump.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_mini#Mac_Mini_Core_2

I wouldn't hold your breath. I don't think Apple makes enough money on the Mini to really care about it, although maybe in another year, it will be worth updating mine (C2D/950 verson), assuming they update it by them.
post #49 of 166
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Once they upgrade the MacBook, there will be little reason for them to stick with the Core 2 Duo processors in the Mini.

On the contrary: the integrated graphics of the Arrandale chips vs. the NVidia 9400M. I'd be surprised if we'd see Mac MIni's with i3 or i5 at all. Theoretically a discrete graphics card could be included, but given the lackluster upgrade path of the MIni, I have my doubts about that.
post #50 of 166
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On the contrary: the integrated graphics of the Arrandale chips vs. the NVidia 9400M. I'd be surprised if we'd see Mac MIni's with i3 or i5 at all. Theoretically a discrete graphics card could be included, but given the lackluster upgrade path of the MIni, I have my doubts about that.

But a $800 mini with i3 or i5 video is a joke with apples new gameing push.

Even more so then the 2 YEAR OLD 9400M is better.
post #51 of 166
...anyone on MBP update.? Today is Tuesday.
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...anyone on MBP update.? Today is Tuesday.

sorry dude...if there was it would be in red letters on the front page of this site
post #53 of 166
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On the contrary: the integrated graphics of the Arrandale chips vs. the NVidia 9400M. I'd be surprised if we'd see Mac MIni's with i3 or i5 at all. Theoretically a discrete graphics card could be included, but given the lackluster upgrade path of the MIni, I have my doubts about that.

nVidia Ion 2 with Optimus technology is being used in sub $500 netbooks. There's no reason to believe that a Core i3 Mac Mini wouldn't use it.
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Another week down.....
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Interesting...

For the past month or two MicroCenter has had the Macbook (Unibody) on sale from 999 for 799 with instant discount.

Today they announced that the entry level 13.3 Macbook Pro is now on sale from 1199 for 999.
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Originally Posted by toolb0x View Post

Interesting...

For the past month or two MicroCenter has had the Macbook (Unibody) on sale from 999 for 799 with instant discount.

Today they announced that the entry level 13.3 Macbook Pro is now on sale from 1199 for 999.

Can you post a link for that? All I could find on the MicroCenter website was the faster 13.3" MBP (4GB/250GB HDD) for full retail ($1499).
post #57 of 166
Telling you guys, Apple is waiting for Mobile Fermi for the next generation of MBPs.
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post #58 of 166
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Telling you guys, Apple is waiting for Mobile Fermi for the next generation of MBPs.

Wouldn't that be out of character for Apple to drive a HW releae based on the latest and greatest graphics chip? Since when has Apple been on the forefront of graphics cpu technology?
post #59 of 166
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Can you post a link for that? All I could find on the MicroCenter website was the faster 13.3" MBP (4GB/250GB HDD) for full retail ($1499).

http://microcenter.com/single_produc...uct_id=0314210
post #60 of 166
I don't think I can wait much longer. The old 12" 867MHz Powerbook just doesn't cut it any longer. I named it MiniMe and it's days are numbered.

When is this Fermi Lab stuff expected? I can haz nuclear graphics!
post #61 of 166
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I don't think I can wait much longer. The old 12" 867MHz Powerbook just doesn't cut it any longer. I named it MiniMe and it's days are numbered.

When is this Fermi Lab stuff expected? I can haz nuclear graphics!

March 26th (from Wikipedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_400_Series
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The highend Desktop parts GTX 470 and GTX 480 come on the 26th. Mobile parts are not likely to arrive anytime soon. Although it is not completely impossible I think the likelyhood of mobile 400 Series Cards in Q2 2010 is about 3%. Q3, Q4 or Q1 2011 are more likely.
If they really wait for Fermi (what I doubt) than there is no upgrade till at least end of June.
post #63 of 166
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Originally Posted by infinitespecter View Post

nVidia Ion 2 with Optimus technology is being used in sub $500 netbooks. There's no reason to believe that a Core i3 Mac Mini wouldn't use it.

There sure is a reason: price of the additional component. But let see about the MacBooks first, shall we? There's not even any sign of those.
post #64 of 166
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The highend Desktop parts GTX 470 and GTX 480 come on the 26th. Mobile parts are not likely to arrive anytime soon. Although it is not completely impossible I think the likelyhood of mobile 400 Series Cards in Q2 2010 is about 3%. Q3, Q4 or Q1 2011 are more likely.
If they really wait for Fermi (what I doubt) than there is no upgrade till at least end of June.

Didn't Optimus just come out anyway? Perhaps they are finishing that up? I highly doubt Fermi is the reason, too expensive on launch anyway. MBP's never even got a 1GB discrete GPU, I cannot see delaying the switch to Core i's because of this new, as of yet unreleased desktop technology.
Either way I'm still sad about no new MBPs today. See:
post #65 of 166
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Originally Posted by Kinsykins View Post

Wouldn't that be out of character for Apple to drive a HW releae based on the latest and greatest graphics chip? Since when has Apple been on the forefront of graphics cpu technology?

Because of the nVidia/Intel lawsuit, they can't release a new version of the graphics setup on the current unibodys. But everyone knows that.

Whatever they do release, it will be on the cutting-edge of graphics switching/battery saving technology - just doubtful that the graphics processors will be cutting-edge.

Apple can't just update the current line to the arrandale intel IGP/Discreet graphics setup because it would be a downgrade for the non-discreet macbooks/pros. Also, you just can't see them doing what all the other PC laptop manufacturers are doing.
post #66 of 166
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Originally Posted by Lorre View Post

Well if you need a new one NOWNOWNOW, and Apple doesn't release anything on Tuesday, why don't you just by a year old model on Craigslist or something? They are barely slower than the most recent MBP's and you won't feel like you've been scammed when Apple release Core i5's that are 40% faster than your week-old 2.8 that cost exactly the same amount...

Thanks for the advice, actually. I picked myself up a first generation unibody. It was the high-end model (2.53) so it has the 512mb discreet card and it's more powerful than my Dell. For $1300, which is very good. I think this will hold me over until long after the arrandales come out and I can buy when when they get all the bugs worked out.
post #67 of 166
Not sure why this hasn't been on Appleinsider... From Engadget; MBP, MBA, MP pricing potentially leaked by Apple Australia/New Zealand.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/17/n...y-leaked-by-a/
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Not sure why this hasn't been on Appleinsider... From Engadget; MBP, MBA, MP pricing potentially leaked by Apple Australia/New Zealand.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/17/n...y-leaked-by-a/

this site doen't have them because they are only a glitch in the apple website...but its ok, i search elsewhere all the time for any info...282 days since last update
post #69 of 166
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Because of the nVidia/Intel lawsuit, they can't release a new version of the graphics setup on the current unibodys. But everyone knows that.

Whatever they do release, it will be on the cutting-edge of graphics switching/battery saving technology - just doubtful that the graphics processors will be cutting-edge.

Apple can't just update the current line to the arrandale intel IGP/Discreet graphics setup because it would be a downgrade for the non-discreet macbooks/pros. Also, you just can't see them doing what all the other PC laptop manufacturers are doing.

Intel is preventing Nvidia from making chipsets for current Intel processors, not graphics. There's quite a difference, and it only matters for desktops primarily, as it more or less affects Nvidia's SLI technology.

Right now, you can out and buy PC laptops/desktops with Core i CPUs, Nvidia GPU's, and within the next month or so, Optimus.

It's just that Intel wants to control the chipsets, as they say that because their CPUs now use integrated memory controllers, the agreement with Nvidia is invalid.

Whatever Apple isn't doing, doesn't have anything to do with Nvidia/Intel, unless for some reason they were/are using Nvidia chipsets.
post #70 of 166
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March 26th (from Wikipedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_400_Series

I hope this be in Mac mini when I get one around May

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post #71 of 166
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Intel is preventing Nvidia from making chipsets for current Intel processors, not graphics. There's quite a difference, and it only matters for desktops primarily, as it more or less affects Nvidia's SLI technology.

Right now, you can out and buy PC laptops/desktops with Core i CPUs, Nvidia GPU's, and within the next month or so, Optimus.

It's just that Intel wants to control the chipsets, as they say that because their CPUs now use integrated memory controllers, the agreement with Nvidia is invalid.

Whatever Apple isn't doing, doesn't have anything to do with Nvidia/Intel, unless for some reason they were/are using Nvidia chipsets.

I hope you're right, but I don't think you are. The longer we wait, the more it looks like Apple is just out and out refusing a chip with an integrated graphics processor for the laptops.
It makes sense being that the Macbook, Mini, and 13"MBP are all stuck on integrated graphics.
There were rumors floating around back in December about Apple telling Intel to stuff the iGPU up their [censored] and it looks like these may turn out to be true.
I have been waiting because I don't want to go from a C2D to another C2D (I have a mid-2008 15" MBP with 256MB 8600). This is going to my brother when I get a new one, and he is calling me everyday asking if the new MBPs are out yet.
I just don't think they are coming for more than waiting on Optimus. I think either Apple has some custom chips coming from Intel, or they are doing something else that in hindsight will make sense.
post #72 of 166
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Wouldn't that be out of character for Apple to drive a HW releae based on the latest and greatest graphics chip? Since when has Apple been on the forefront of graphics cpu technology?

Since never- but I have a some things that might back me up on this:

1) Why else could they be possibly waiting at this point? All the other mobile hardware for this generation is out already, AFAIK.

2) Nvidia has Optimus. If Apple wants switchable dedicated graphics with an i5/i7 mobile CPU, they need Optimus. Thus they need Nvidia.

3) Nvidia's Fermi offers significant GPGPU benefits over Nividia's current mobile line (the 300/200Ms), which are basically rehashes of the aging 9000M series.

5) Apple has put a *lot* of work into GPGPU support in Snow Leopard.

6) Apple seems to have taken a sudden interest in gaming, what with the iPod Touch coming back (surprisingly?) strong in that area, and now gaming being one of the advertising points on the iPad.

7) Valve has been working with Apple to bring Steam to the Mac. Steam = 3D Gaming. 3D gaming = Performance GPUs. Apple has been looking at hiring a game developer to work for them (if they haven't already). Steam on Mac + Gaming awareness + Superior GPGPU hardware = More & better performance GPUs in Macs?
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post #73 of 166
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Since never- but I have a some things that might back me up on this

Most of this hinges on the assumption that the GPU will be an NVidia...
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Most of this hinges on the assumption that the GPU will be an NVidia...

Does ATI have anything to offer?
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Does ATI have anything to offer?

http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/NOTEB...-graphics.aspx

My guess, is that if Apple used AMD, they would pick the Mobile 5600-series. AMD provides support for OpenCL as well, since Apple opened it up, and it can support OpenGL 3.2, although they haven't finished the driver yet.
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Originally Posted by Mr. K View Post

Since never- but I have a some things that might back me up on this:

1) Why else could they be possibly waiting at this point? All the other mobile hardware for this generation is out already, AFAIK.

2) Nvidia has Optimus. If Apple wants switchable dedicated graphics with an i5/i7 mobile CPU, they need Optimus. Thus they need Nvidia.

3) Nvidia's Fermi offers significant GPGPU benefits over Nividia's current mobile line (the 300/200Ms), which are basically rehashes of the aging 9000M series.

5) Apple has put a *lot* of work into GPGPU support in Snow Leopard.

6) Apple seems to have taken a sudden interest in gaming, what with the iPod Touch coming back (surprisingly?) strong in that area, and now gaming being one of the advertising points on the iPad.

7) Valve has been working with Apple to bring Steam to the Mac. Steam = 3D Gaming. 3D gaming = Performance GPUs. Apple has been looking at hiring a game developer to work for them (if they haven't already). Steam on Mac + Gaming awareness + Superior GPGPU hardware = More & better performance GPUs in Macs?

I'm stealing this from engadget:
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We're only a week away from their grand unveiling, but already we've got word of the specs for NVIDIA's high end GTX 480 and GTX 470 cards. Priced at $499, the 480 will offer 480 shader processors, a 384-bit interface to 1.5GB of onboard GDDR5 RAM, and clock speeds of 700MHz, 1,401MHz, and 1,848MHz for the core, shaders and memory, respectively. The 470 makes do with 446 SPs, slower clocks, and a 320-bit memory interface, but it's also priced at a more sensible $349. The TDPs of these cards are pretty spectacular too, with 225W for the junior model and 295W for the full-fat card. Sourced by VR Zone, these numbers are still unofficial, but they do look to mesh well with what we already know of the hardware, including a purported 5-10 percent benchmarking advantage for the GTX 480 over ATI's HD 5870. Whether the price and power premium is worth it will be up to you and the inevitable slew of reviews to decide.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/n...ricing-emerge/

The 5870 starts around $420, and has a TDP of 188 W.
http://www.geeks3d.com/20090914/ati-...a-tdp-of-188w/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-476-_-Product

I can't see Apple touching Fermi with a 10 ft pole right now, besides a BTO option on Mac Pro. If Apple goes with Optimus, they'll probably pair it with the GT330 or 335, because it's safe and relatively proven tech, since it's just a re-branded GT2xx. I don't see Apple going cutting edge either, as they cater to the prosumer market, those users don't care about GPGPU or OpenCL, other than it might sound cool, and it could also hamper stability, while drivers get worked out.
post #77 of 166
So when will it come out?
My aluminium MacBookPro just died on me.
I am not too thrilled with the current MBP black screen and plastic black keys.
Besides more power and greater technology, I know it sounds superficial but this is my third aluminium mbp and I hope they release with a new look and exciting design.
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So when will it come out?
My aluminium MacBookPro just died on me.
I am not too thrilled with the current MBP black screen and plastic black keys.
Besides more power and greater technology, I know it sounds superficial but this is my third aluminium mbp and I hope they release with a new look and exciting design.

No one knows exactly!?
I will prefer the same design but more horse power - Nvidia / Optimus switchable dedicated graphics with an Intel i7, SSD Drive standardand an adaptor to add my Christmas tree
post #79 of 166
i am typing this on a second generation 550 t-book. hope i'll be typing on a brand new one very soon.

i am checking here everyday for updates. wonder what the delay is.
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I'm stealing this from engadget:


http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/n...ricing-emerge/

The 5870 starts around $420, and has a TDP of 188 W.
http://www.geeks3d.com/20090914/ati-...a-tdp-of-188w/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-476-_-Product

I can't see Apple touching Fermi with a 10 ft pole right now, besides a BTO option on Mac Pro. If Apple goes with Optimus, they'll probably pair it with the GT330 or 335, because it's safe and relatively proven tech, since it's just a re-branded GT2xx. I don't see Apple going cutting edge either, as they cater to the prosumer market, those users don't care about GPGPU or OpenCL, other than it might sound cool, and it could also hamper stability, while drivers get worked out.

Yeah...except those ratings are for the desktop cards, not the notebook variants for which no info has been released. Nobody in their right mind would put a desktop card in a laptop.

I'm basing my Fermi assumption on the fact that Nvidia has Optimus and AMD/ATI doesn't.
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