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Microsoft chief Steve Ballmer recently had positive words about Apple's success with the iPhone and its App Store, adding fuel to rumors of a potential alignment between Apple and Microsoft to bring Bing search to the iPhone.

"Apple's done a very nice job that allows people to monetize and commercialize their intellectual property," Ballmer reportedly said last week in a speech at the University of Washington's computer science building.

Brier Dudley, columnist for The Seattle Times, took Ballmer's comments to mean that relations between Microsoft and Apple are warming, perhaps in advance of an announcement that Bing will become the default search engine for the iPhone. Rumors of such a deal between the two technology giants have persisted since January.

Dudley said it's possible that Apple and Microsoft could align to take on what both feel is a bigger threat: Google. The columnist personally asked Ballmer whether that was the case, but the Microsoft CEO just smiled and said he couldn't answer that question.

"Apple is coming off a tough divorce from its young search partner, which is now selling its own touch-screen smartphone and has floated concept designs of an iPad-like tablet device," Dudley wrote. "So perhaps it's natural Apple is reaching out to an estranged friend from the early days."

Ballmer's complimentary nature is a stark change from 2007, when the Microsoft executive famously laughed at the then-unreleased iPhone from Apple. By last year, Microsoft's own Windows Mobile had become stagnant while the iPhone has seen tremendous growth.

Rumors and speculation about Apple's alleged negotiations with Microsoft for Bing search come as many have perceived a growing rivalry between Apple and Google. Last summer, Google CEO Eric Schmidt resigned from the Apple Board of Directors as an investigation from the U.S. Federal Trade Commission was looking into the connections between the two companies.

Schmidt's move was seen as necessary as Google and Apple now compete in numerous markets in the technology sector: Google's Android mobile operating system competes with Apple's iPhone; both companies recently made large mobile advertising related purchases; Google's forthcoming Chrome OS will see the company enter the desktop computing space; and the Chrome browser competes with Apple's Safari.

The most public dispute between Apple and Google came last summer, when the Google Voice application was not accepted into the iPhone App Store. The two companies shared barbs with Google alleging the software was outright rejected for use on the iPhone, while Apple said it remained under review and consideration.

Microsoft also hopes to fight its way back in the phone market later this year when it plans to release Windows Phone 7 Series, a new multi-touch capable mobile operating system designed to compete with modern smartphones like the iPhone and handsets powered by Google's Android mobile operating system. Devices that run Windows Phone 7 Series will feature a dedicated button for Bing search.
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Ballmer is looking to be Apple's next CEO!
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Ballmer is looking to be Apple's next CEO!

I knew it! I soaked some tea leaves in sweat and Ballmer's face appeared.
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post #4 of 88
Bing. It's all about bringing Bing to Apple devices.
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Microsoft chief Steve Ballmer recently had positive words about Apple's success; and in other news, there's peace in the middle east and the earth has cooled significantly.
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All it means is they like what Apple's done with the App Store, and they're going to try and copy it with their Win 7 mobile platform (and fail horribly at it).

Any time Microsoft compliments something, it simply means that's the bar they are going to try and reach, while the competition continues moving further ahead.
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I like Bing, but I feel like I'm indirectly supporting IE so I avoid it. I think it is slightly better then Google at some things. After MSN and Windows Live, I didn't think Microsoft had what it takes, but they seem to be doing an alright job on the search side now. If Apple made it a built-in option, I might use it.

I remember a while ago there was news that Microsoft (Microsoft Reasearch i think) was going to release a few apps. Microsoft is a big enough company that they can support their own stuff and a competitors stuff. Microsoft releases Office on the Mac and Apple releases iTunes and Safari on windows right? Maybe this is a sign that Word or Outlook may arrive on the iPad?

It's not uncommon for big companies to compete, sue each other, and work together at the same time.
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All it means is they like what Apple's done with the App Store, and they're going to try and copy it with their Win 7 mobile platform (and fail horribly at it).

Any time Microsoft compliments something, it simply means that's the bar they are going to try and reach, while the competition continues moving further ahead.

Sounds like them but I'm having a brain fart trying to think of when they did what you say.

What else did they compliment before copying?
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Companies suddenly saying positive things about each other that historically have been saying bad things about each other is usually an indication that they are going to work together. While I enjoy the idea of Apple at some point doing their own search they tend to move slowly and surely so I wouldn't expect it soon.

Perhaps someone who knows more then I would like to speculate on how Apple tends to stay out of making attractive business machines and whether this would down play the threat they represent to Microsoft. Not that I'm saying they don't see it but they are aware perhaps that Microsoft's core income segment isn't targeted by Apple.
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Sounds like them but I'm having a brain fart trying to think of when they did what you say.

What else did they compliment before copying?

OS X . . . gotta be. We already know how much MS loves OS X.
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Keep your friends close... keep your enemies closer....
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Sounds like them but I'm having a brain fart trying to think of when they did what you say.

What else did they compliment before copying?

I don't remember them ever doing this at all. Generally they pee all over it and then end up doing it themselves a year later just like with the iPhone.

I agree with the article's take on it. (Sadly), it means they are thinking of working together.
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At this point, any angst in the relationship seems to be from MSFT directed towards Apple.

Apple/SJ have gone beyond MSFT, and I doubt that they are paying all that much attention to them anymore - not even over something like MS Office when it came to the iPad, for instance.
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We all know Apple don't like Flash. Maybe MS will port SilverLight to iPad?
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Big deal.
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Bing just hasn't been that good for me. The results of just about every search I've tried have been pretty awful. I invariably go back to google to get the info I am looking for.

For example, I searched for "Canon MF6590 drivers" the other day for my printer. Bing sent me to every virus riddled driver collation site under the sun. Canon didn't even make the first page. Google took me straight to Canon's download page -it was the top hit.

Bing results seem to show no priority with respect to when the content was created either. I could be wrong about this, but Google seems to show you more recent content in preference to older stuff. So if you search for tax forms by number, you will generally get the 2009 version for example. Bing will show you stuff from the 90s first if it feels like it -if it even realizes what you are looking for.

I hope Apple doesn't go with Bing. It will be a huge step back.
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Meaning it's no big deal.
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Any time Microsoft compliments something, it simply means that's the bar they are going to try and reach, while the competition continues moving further ahead.

Like in the OS market? Or the office software market? Or the web browser market?

WTF? Get real. They have no serious competition in many markets.
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Must be a misprint. No one, and I mean NO ONE would EVER spend that much for a phone!
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Well if Bing becomes the default iPhone search engine, I hope I can change it to something else. I will not support Microsoft in any venture, even if Apple and Microsoft work together.
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"... to monetize and commercialize their intellectual property."

This is why Microsoft makes crap. "Insanely Great" isn't even marketing drivel to these buffoons. I bet the best iPhone app developers would say something more like "... to make good money doing really cool stuff!"

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I don't remember them ever doing this at all. Generally they pee all over it and then end up doing it themselves a year later just like with the iPhone.

I agree with the article's take on it. (Sadly), it means they are thinking of working together.

lol that's exactly it. They don't ever praise something before copying it. They copy it, then act like they've made something innovative
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Well if Bing becomes the default iPhone search engine, I hope I can change it to something else. I will not support Microsoft in any venture, even if Apple and Microsoft work together.


I would assume so since you can currently choose between Google and Yahoo in the iPhone Safari settings

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So, MS Software Engineers can create a search engine suitable for possible use on an Apple product but MS Software Engineers can't create an OS as highlighted by Apple's "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" tv ads...

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Microsoft releases Office on the Mac and Apple releases iTunes and Safari on windows right?

those two things are merely examples of each company accepting reality. MS can make money off Office for Mac, therefore they offer it. And Apple could NEVER have had the success of the iPod and iPhone without offering iTunes in windows.
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I bet what's going on here is that MS is pursuing a contingency plan in case they totally lose the battle for the mobile phone market. They will still want to get not only Bing, but also all their other software and services to mobile users. They probably see Apple as the best platform for doing that if their own platform fails.

But nobody at Apple should assume that MS has given up on their own platform. They will definitely try to push WinMo phones, and they will probably have some success (unless that AI story about MS selling a Zune phone that is incompatible with the WinMo phones is true.... and I just can't believe that story... MS just can't be that dumb).
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This reminds of "1984". Oceania/Apple once allied with Google/Eurasia and warred with Microsoft/Eastasia, but is now allied with Eastasia and warring with Eurasia.
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Keep your friends close... keep your enemies closer....

A truism. The problem for Apple is, no matter which one they choose work with, they are cooperating with a competitor. Great care must be exercised.

But Apple could well be playing them off against each other, a smart strategy which could work to Apple's advantage.
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What about Apple just Making their own Search Engine...and reap the adv. revenue.....If Sergy can do it in a dorm room, surely Apple with all its' resources at its disposal could do something better than Bing! Just saying.
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This reminds of "1984". Oceania/Apple once allied with Google/Eurasia and warred with Microsoft/Eastasia, but is now allied with Eastasia and warring with Eurasia.

I don't know what you are talking about. Apple has always been at war with Google and has always allied with Microsoft. ;-)
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Ballmer is looking to be Apple's next CEO!

Hopefully not, Ballmer is an idiot.

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I like Bing, but I feel like I'm indirectly supporting IE so I avoid it.

There are serious rumors going around that IE9 will support HTML5 so there is nothing for you to complain about with MS. This means that it's tge end of Flash. Mac Office 2011 looks to be really good as well.

People should get off their hatred for MS. Apple probably would have been doing the same thing as Apple, maybe even worse, if they had the same market share. The only difference being There would have been a better UI.

I still think that Google search is better but there needs to be competition in this field. The more that use Bing, the better. They can always improve over time.
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Sounds like them but I'm having a brain fart trying to think of when they did what you say.

What else did they compliment before copying?

In the early days, Bill Gates raved about the Macintosh.
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Microsoft chief Steve Ballmer recently had positive words about Apple's success; and in other news, there's peace in the middle east and the earth has cooled significantly.

Actually, I greatly disagree with this sentiment.

MS and Apple have never really been competitors, until only recently (with the iPhone, and the halo effect it had for macs). Until then, Apple's target market was markedly different from MS'es.
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This reminds of "1984". Oceania/Apple once allied with Google/Eurasia and warred with Microsoft/Eastasia, but is now allied with Eastasia and warring with Eurasia.

Ummm... they've always been at war with Eurasia.
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We all know Apple don't like Flash. Maybe MS will port SilverLight to iPad?

Yep, as much as I hate to consider this idea, it makes a lot of sense now...Silverlight would mean that Apple DOES care about the cries of some of its customers, without conceding to Flash's abhorrence...hopefully not, but it might happen soon...
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I don't know what you are talking about. Apple has always been at war with Google and has always allied with Microsoft. ;-)

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Ummm... they've always been at war with Eurasia.

Thanks for running with it.
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Bing. It's all about bringing Bing to Apple devices.

and/or Office apps on the iPad.
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I don't know what you are talking about. Apple has always been at war with Google and has always allied with Microsoft. ;-)

Apple was allied with Microsoft against IBM when the Mac was first introduced. That is partially why apps like Excel appeared first on the Mac. Before that Microsoft made the Basic interpreter for the Apple ][.
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I can't believe so many people on the forums are in love with Bing now. Honestly I still love Google, yes they compete with apple in the phone business, but not in search. Having a good search engine as an option is a good thing for the iPhone, it would be much worse if Google said that they will not allow apple to have a capability of making Google search box in mobile safari.

Bing is a third rate search engine, that seems too cluttered and never really gets me to the place I want to be. Yahoo search would have been preferable, but alas it is dieing to be replaced by Bing. Heck even ask.com would have been a better choice (but there is little way to monitze on them as they have an even lower market share then Bing).

I would like to see Google continuing to be the default search on my iDevices, with maybe Bing being the alternative. Perhaps its not to be though as the rivalry in the phone OS looks like it may kill off cooperation in improving the overall digital user experience for the people that apple and google have been doing over the past few years.
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