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Apple was allied with Microsoft against IBM when the Mac was first introduced. That is partially why apps like Excel appeared first on the Mac. Before that Microsoft made the Basic interpreter for the Apple ][.

Allied is probably not the right word. Over a barrel is more like it. Microsoft used their software development for the Mac to force Apple to sign over intellectual property rights to the Mac UI.
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Keep your friends close... keep your enemies closer....

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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Wouldn't we all like to be the fly on the wall at a secret meeting of the two Steves?
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Look out Ballmer, you'll get burned!

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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

A truism. The problem for Apple is, no matter which one they choose work with, they are cooperating with a competitor. Great care must be exercised.

But Apple could well be playing them off against each other, a smart strategy which could work to Apple's advantage.

Also known as "coopetition", or "frenemies".

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Wouldn't we all like to be the fly on the wall at a secret meeting of the two Steves?

Only if Ballmer had no access to furniture or fly swatters....

But seriously, it brings to mind an afternoon long ago at Comdex in Las Vegas.

I was wandering in after a heavy night of negotiations at another hotel, when I spotted a very nice and very large limo hanging out in the loading dock area of one of the conventions sites.

As I got closer to the back of the limo, out stepped Bill Gates and none other than John Sculley. I said nothing and they said nothing, but they promptly climbed back into the limo. If I had a camera at that moment, I would probably be considerably richer today.

At the time of this Comdex, Gates and Sculley were supposedly hated enemies.
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As I got closer to the back of the limo, out stepped Bill Gates and none other than John Sculley. I said nothing and they said nothing, but they promptly climbed back into the limo.

They probably just got back from a lemon party.
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Microsoft chief Steve Ballmer recently had positive words about Apple's success with the iPhone and its App Store, adding fuel to rumors of a potential alignment between Apple and Microsoft to bring Bing search to the iPhone.

I think I am going to throw-up.
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All the Bing prospects make me nervous... The fact of the matter is that Google is massive... I don't know if Apple can afford to compleley cut them loose.... Bing on the phone would be bad for sure.... I can't stop wondering what they're going to do with maps.... Mapping is so vital now, is that small start up Apple bought already ready to replace Google? More than simply the Bing search engine, I wonder if Apple would switch to Microsoft maps on the iPhone. Microsoft is just so hated, none of this would be good...

Either way all questions should be answered soon right? I cheked Wikipedia, looks like iPhone OS 2, 3 went into beta testing by mid-March... Can any devs here speak to that? Were most features nailed down by the first beta? Here's hoping Apple has some great surprises up their sleeves....
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Originally Posted by swinge View Post

I cheked Wikipedia, looks like iPhone OS 2, 3 went into beta testing by mid-March... Can any devs here speak to that? Were most features nailed down by the first beta?

In a word? No.

Provided of course that they intend to stay devs.
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post #51 of 88
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Originally Posted by sheff View Post

I can't believe so many people on the forums are in love with Bing now. Honestly I still love Google,

Google is evil. Google is trying to kill us.
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Originally Posted by justflybob View Post

In a word? No.

Provided of course that they intend to stay devs.

I think the past iPhone OS releases are okay to talk about. As I recall, there was no major feature that hit the better after their mid-March announcement.

If they plan on following the same announcement time as last year they'll announce to the media this Thursday a Special Event for next Tuesday. Anyone think that will happen?
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post #53 of 88
So technically Microsoft is available on the iPhone by selecting Yahoo as the default search in settings.
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Originally Posted by GordonPrice67 View Post

This is why Microsoft makes crap. "Insanely Great" isn't even marketing drivel to these buffoons. I bet the best iPhone app developers would say something more like "... to make good money doing really cool stuff!"

Gordon

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All the Bing prospects make me nervous... The fact of the matter is that Google is massive... I don't know if Apple can afford to compleley cut them loose.... Bing on the phone would be bad for sure.... I can't stop wondering what they're going to do with maps.... Mapping is so vital now, is that small start up Apple bought already ready to replace Google? More than simply the Bing search engine, I wonder if Apple would switch to Microsoft maps on the iPhone. Microsoft is just so hated, none of this would be good...

Either way all questions should be answered soon right? I cheked Wikipedia, looks like iPhone OS 2, 3 went into beta testing by mid-March... Can any devs here speak to that? Were most features nailed down by the first beta? Here's hoping Apple has some great surprises up their sleeves....

Microsoft is hated... by who?

How many iPhone users are actually Windows users at the same time? I have no statistics, but judging by my own environment, quite a few; majority, easily. Most of them are completely indifferent towards Microsoft and Apple likewise. Some are Windows enthusiast and not overly fond of Apple, even if using iPhone.

I've yet to meet Mac user with iPhone; not too common here in New Zealand.

Think outside this forum. Not every computer user choose side and supports it heartedly. Majority will buy what they can afford, or what they were advised to get.
post #56 of 88
I like all the fun of conspiracy theories, but I don't think there is any hidden agenda behind SB's words. It is not hard to observe that Apple's Store is successful model that will encourage developers to develop for the platform and boost platform's popularity in the process... well, short of Apple's censorship here and there, but that is obviously not making any significant impact - if any impact at all.

So good old SB sees good solution that is not copyrighted and is interested to apply it to his new babies. Big deal.

As long as conspiracy theory goes, since Android penetration isn't that strong, it might turn out that MS with WP7 will be stronger competitor than Google is. They will also have multiple brands behind their platform and, if Apple beats HTC regarding patents infringement (and maybe others to follow), some of those brands might end up Windows only; I think it is safe to say that WP7 looks significantly different to iPhone OS than Android, and at least some of infringement claims cannot be applied to it.

Additionally, there is a chance that MS Courier will see the light - according to this article, http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=17838, device could come out Q3 or Q4 this year, will be based on Tegra 2 and WP7... which sounds about right. And again, Android tablets seem to be copying iPad with some extra features and potentially lower pricing, while MS is trying to accomplish different kind of experience. If they manage to do it right - yes, big if - whole WP7 platform with Zune HD, Zune Phone and Zune Booklet (Courier) could be as strong player as Android.

So what would actually be Apple's interest to cut ties with one, at least known, enemy-in-bed and jump into another bed where still unknown enemy lies..? Particularly that Google, no matter how big, still is freelancer, while MS is heavily involved with other enemies of Apple - PC manufacturers..?
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OK - let's get this out of the way. Microsoft and Apple have been partners and licensees of each other for some time. Don't let a Seattle Times hack get yerself all riled up.

This is all history here kids - really. It's been reported on frequently enough to give us a reasonable chance at foregoing all the usual diatribe about competition. What is really happening is a 3-way competition between Microsoft, Apple and Google in a couple of key areas, but for distinctly different reasons - also having been reported on previously.

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You'll find it in the Android Market, Apple rejected it.

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post #59 of 88
I prefer Google's results as opposed to Bing's. Bing has a much better looking front page and looks more updated than Google but it's the results that matter the most and Google has the win on that.

I will never forgive Microsoft for IE... I mean really, why does IE have to be the slowest with the most screen hog and not to mention bloaty browser on the market.

I do have to say that Bing is way better than Microsoft's previous attempts with search.
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Apple was allied with Microsoft against IBM when the Mac was first introduced. That is partially why apps like Excel appeared first on the Mac. Before that Microsoft made the Basic interpreter for the Apple ][.

You missed the joke. Read more books.
post #61 of 88
Dead people don't read advertising.

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Google is evil. Google is trying to kill us.
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post #62 of 88
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OK - let's get this out of the way. Microsoft and Apple have been partners and licensees of each other for some time. Don't let a Seattle Times hack get yerself all riled up.

This is all history here kids - really. It's been reported on frequently enough to give us a reasonable chance at foregoing all the usual diatribe about competition. What is really happening is a 3-way competition between Microsoft, Apple and Google in a couple of key areas, but for distinctly different reasons - also having been reported on previously.

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Extra points for using the proper form of "yerself".

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I prefer Google's results as opposed to Bing's. Bing has a much better looking front page and looks more updated than Google but it's the results that matter the most and Google has the win on that.

I will never forgive Microsoft for IE... I mean really, why does IE have to be the slowest with the most screen hog and not to mention bloaty browser on the market.

I do have to say that Bing is way better than Microsoft's previous attempts with search.

Bloaty bloat bloat bloat. For windows, the safari download is 28 and some megabytes. ie8 is a relatively svelte 18 and some.
post #64 of 88
I pretty much only use Bing for Travel and Cash Back. (BCB as the SD'ers would say)

Google all the way!

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You'll find it in the Android Market, Apple rejected it.

Nah. Android version is simply called Fartroid One, and there is no reality distortion field thrown around it... because it's description misses words like "magic", "experience", "cool" and "awesome", it will never be as popular as iDevice version.
post #66 of 88
Cats and dogs, living together...mass hysteria!
post #67 of 88
It's not strictly true to say that Ballmer laughed at the iPhone. He laughed at the fact that it was $600, and he was right. Apple soon realised this and reduced the price. He also said it wasn't good for email because of the touch keyboard. A lot of business users agree and still use blackberrys because of this. Personally I like the keypad on my iPhone. I also don't mind using Office on my MacBook Pro, so why not Bing on my iPhone?
post #68 of 88
Common guys! He doesn't need to be talking to apple. By just talking nicely once about the App store, Ballmer has brought Bing to the front page. Speculation, iPhone, not iPhone. All he is doing is increasing people's awareness of Bing. He's not a tech guru, but he is a very good salesman.

And everybody here (AI of all forums!) has fall for the bait! Let's try to be a bit more critical...
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Bing just hasn't been that good for me. The results of just about every search I've tried have been pretty awful. I invariably go back to google to get the info I am looking for.

For example, I searched for "Canon MF6590 drivers" the other day for my printer. Bing sent me to every virus riddled driver collation site under the sun. Canon didn't even make the first page. Google took me straight to Canon's download page -it was the top hit.

Bing results seem to show no priority with respect to when the content was created either. I could be wrong about this, but Google seems to show you more recent content in preference to older stuff. So if you search for tax forms by number, you will generally get the 2009 version for example. Bing will show you stuff from the 90s first if it feels like it -if it even realizes what you are looking for.

I hope Apple doesn't go with Bing. It will be a huge step back.

Odd, I just did the exact same search,and the top 'natural' (non advertising) result was the Canon drivers page for that device... seems pretty direct / accurate.
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Dead people don't read advertising.

Enslave, yes, kill, no.

Make no mistake: They are trying to kill us.
post #71 of 88
I tried Bing and didn't like it. I don't want Bing!
I Apple forces Bing on me there will be no more iPhone for me, and I'm looking forward to the new iPhone this summer to upgrade.

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post #72 of 88
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Odd, I just did the exact same search,and the top 'natural' (non advertising) result was the Canon drivers page for that device... seems pretty direct / accurate.

Wow. It is now. I swear it wasn't the other day :-) Weird.
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Originally Posted by Aizmov View Post

I tried Bing and didn't like it. I don't want Bing!
I Apple forces Bing on me there will be no more iPhone for me, and I'm looking forward to the new iPhone this summer to upgrade.

This is a fail attitude. You'd pass up a great device because of the search engine used?
post #74 of 88
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Originally Posted by justflybob View Post

In a word? No.

Provided of course that they intend to stay devs.

The betas are PUBLIC betas, no? Months before OS 3 came out all the features had been identified... I just couldn't remember when that was....

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Microsoft is hated... by who?

How many iPhone users are actually Windows users at the same time? I have no statistics, but judging by my own environment, quite a few; majority, easily. Most of them are completely indifferent towards Microsoft and Apple likewise. Some are Windows enthusiast and not overly fond of Apple, even if using iPhone.

I've yet to meet Mac user with iPhone; not too common here in New Zealand.

Think outside this forum. Not every computer user choose side and supports it heartedly. Majority will buy what they can afford, or what they were advised to get.

I think you're right, I guess one concern is that I feel like Apple is usually uncompromising with quality..... Fair or unfair, i think the public perception is that Google is far supior to Bing.... I worry it will hurt Apple's reputation if they cut ties with Google and align themselves with Microsoft.... At this point though I don't know if they have any other options....
post #75 of 88
Well it wasn't mentioned in the article but Bing already has an App for the iPhone so they already know how to work with the platform, so this would be a natural extension.

Still what Apple should really do if they want to avoid a potential anti-competitive claim later on is to allow users to choose the search engine that they want either from a list or, better still, where you can enter your own preference.

Apple can still enter into their (undisclosed) kickback arrangements like normal for our searches with the most revenue coming from the search engines that choose to pay it.
post #76 of 88
Slowly this poor fool realizes Apple Inc. is the wave of the future!
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Originally Posted by Mystigo View Post

Bing just hasn't been that good for me. The results of just about every search I've tried have been pretty awful. I invariably go back to google to get the info I am looking for.

For example, I searched for "Canon MF6590 drivers" the other day for my printer. Bing sent me to every virus riddled driver collation site under the sun. Canon didn't even make the first page. Google took me straight to Canon's download page -it was the top hit.

Bing results seem to show no priority with respect to when the content was created either. I could be wrong about this, but Google seems to show you more recent content in preference to older stuff. So if you search for tax forms by number, you will generally get the 2009 version for example. Bing will show you stuff from the 90s first if it feels like it -if it even realizes what you are looking for.

I hope Apple doesn't go with Bing. It will be a huge step back.


I copied "Canon MF6590 drivers", without the quotes of course, from your post and pasted it to bing search. The very first link was the appropriate page at Canon's website containing drivers for that printer. I even have post a picture of the search below, so I claim your post is FUD!


post #78 of 88
What year is it???

In all seriousness, I don't know why people are so baffled or off-put by the potential synergies MS and Apple could have. Apple has been - and always will be - a hardware company that uses its knack for software to sell it's products. MS has been - and always will be - a software company, that occasionally uses hardware to sell its platforms.

Both companies have had periods of poor management, periods of triumph, and, today, are realizing that symbiosis may work better now than ever before.

I personally can't wait to see MS Office for iPad... so long as they ditch the ribbon

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post #79 of 88
- IE will always suck
- Default does not mean only
- Google > Bing (it's true, goog is goog for a reason)
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Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post

Yep, as much as I hate to consider this idea, it makes a lot of sense now...Silverlight would mean that Apple DOES care about the cries of some of its customers, without conceding to Flash's abhorrence...hopefully not, but it might happen soon...

Silverlight support in the iPhone OS would truly be a surprise. And not one that would go down well with Apple's traditional customers. This one included. However soured the relationship between Apple and Adobe may have become I just can't see Apple doing a 180 in their advocacy for open standard H.264/HTML5 and opt for another proprietary multimedia plug-in like Silverlight from yet another competitor. Even if technically possible it would fly in the face of everything Apple has been trying to do in its fight against Flash.
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