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And I could be on Acid or Crack and come up with something as disturbing. But I chose not to do drugs.

I'd suggest the same "Cranky".

It's from 'The Wizard of Oz', oh wise one. Go upstairs and ask your mother about it, she might have a copy on VHS you could watch.
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But I chose not to do drugs.

So you're that way naturally, right?
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My apologies. I did not realise that, by posting comments here, you were helping to keep your family clothed and fed.

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Brilliant!

These guys do conjure up an image of sad, pasty faced workers... clocking in for yet another 8 hour shift on a seemingly endless and repetitive production line.

Arrogant Bastard comment at best. You are talking about 80% of the US population.

Your apology means nothing to me. I feel sorry for an empty life that appears to be driven by making other people feel small.

Good luck with it and swap your email address with Quadra, Sloppy, and Anal-kunstrum.
They seem to be of the same selfish mold as you.
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Why are you here?

He's a MicroOutsider! That is why he's here. To ruin my Happy Mac Life.
post #45 of 89
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And I could be on Acid or Crack and come up with something as disturbing. But I chose not to do drugs.

I'd suggest the same "Cranky".

My god fellow, are you always this unpleasant? Or did you and Beavis just have a falling out?
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post #46 of 89
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You are talking about 80% of the US population.

You still don't get it, do you?
Priceless.
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My god fellow, are you always this unpleasant? Or did you and Beavis just have a falling out?

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Your apology means nothing to me. I feel sorry for an empty life that appears to be driven by making other people feel small.

Irony.
post #49 of 89
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So, let me get this straight (if I can read through the BS)...

You not only run MS Office but MS OS XP or 7. That's putting even a bigger smile on Steve Balmer's face. You can't make it in the real world without Microsoft.

I'll call BS on All MS software is Free for you. Where do you attend your education?

Not even MIS/Government gets software MS software for free. It was either included in your tuition or you are not telling the truth.

Care to supply the school, link for free software for students and date purchased?

Bill Gates gives Billions to charity but not to higher education. That is unless you're graduating grade school, it may be possible.

Jeez, dude. It's not that hard to understand English. Yes, TANSTAAFL of course, but yes it's not that hard to believe an institution making a deal with MS for licenses for its students, all paid for by tuition and the football program. I kid about the football program. A little. A good football program makes lots of money. I kid.

Anyways, in this scenario, MS Office student licenses would be "free" to the students even though it is likely buried in tuition fees somewhere. MS likely also gives them a sweetheart volume deal just like Apple does on laptops and iPod touches and soon iPad.

MS Office is basically a monopoly and an IT requirement for basically all institutions. Everyone uses Office: Mac because it provides the best compatibility and meets IT "Office" software requirements. And let me tell you, Mac Office 2008 and 2004 are some of the crappiest pieces of software you'll fine on the Mac outside of Adobe apps which are almost like malware. It's also unfortunate the Adobe essentially has a monopolist position on PDF. If the quality of these software isn't a sign of monopolies having no competitive pressures to improve their products I don't know what is. Office is so bad that it's easier and faster to run Windows in a VM and use Windows Office. It's just this year and maybe next year for Adobe's CS that they'll have Cocoa based Office and CS after 10 freaking years of Apple trying to convince them to switch.

Not knocking it too much. If it wasn't for those two continuing to support Mac OS X, Apple wouldn't be alive today. It took a lot of cajoling though.

As for Schwartz, yes, big business is a litigious one. I believe him as I think he and Jobs go way back and would be on cell phone terms. Heck, Sun, Apple, and MS go way way back and they all know each other, executives, engineers, secretaries, etc. Schwartz ended up being an incompetent CEO though. Outside of selling servers, Schwartz didn't seem to understand how to make money. When Linux/x86 and NT/x86 servers undercut them, Sun was toast. The rest of their strategy seemed to have been spending billions of dollars on Java and giving it away. Hell Java itself threatened Sun's server business and Sun basically knifed their own baby.
post #50 of 89
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My god fellow, are you always this unpleasant? Or did you and Beavis just have a falling out?

I'm not unpleasant to thoughtful people. I have not been approached by any in this particular arrogant posting.

It's a wonder MacRumors has 98% more traffic with Trolls like this room has.

It's no wonder that Mac users have a bad reputation on the Internet.
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I'm not unpleasant to thoughtful people. I have not been approached by any in this particular arrogant posting.

It's a wonder MacRumors has 98% more traffic with Trolls like this room has.

It's no wonder that Mac users have a bad reputation on the Internet.

Macrumors is a haven for Wintendo trolls that go there to bitch about...just the sort of garbage you're spewing, strangely enough. I find it hilarious that you mention MR as a site that should be aspired to. That place is a cesspool.
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Angus, I have the opening paragraph for your memoirs just in case you need the help:

I could while away the hours, conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain.
And my head I'd be scratchin' while
my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain.

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And I could be on Acid or Crack and come up with something as disturbing. But I chose not to do drugs.

I'd suggest the same "Cranky".

Maybe you should take some drugs and lighten up a bit. You're being nasty, sarcastic and ignorant. Don't you recognize a song from the Wizard of Oz? Oh, I forgot, that a big druggie movie and you choose not to do drugs.

Why don't you try to be more open and constructive during the discussions in this forum rather than slam everything and everyone NOT Microsoft.

No emoticons added here so you don't think I'm immature, also.

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post #53 of 89
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And I'll bet he takes advantage of it just like he does parking in handicap parking spaces.

Parking in Handicap Parking Spaces is about as low and uncaring as they come. Steve Jobs does it with a smile on his face. Pitiful.

Dude, your (sic) so full of shit. STFU. No wait, I'll add you to my ignore list.
post #54 of 89
For a man that drove Sun into the ground, who couldn't get NeXT to buy Lighthouse for the ludicrous price you asked and now for claiming that NeXT/Apple stole your IP either you think everyone is a complete idiot or you fail to acknowledge that the Engineers who wrote Concurrence and more actually Work at Apple.

I find it truly rich that Sun could never manage to produce Cocoa apps for OS X with all that purchased IP and then I discovered that the Cocoa heads left.

That explained it all.

Jonathan was just an arrogant a-hole then and now he's a semi-rich a-hole. Nothing has changed other than the fact he's still touting a pony tail, ten years after the trend died, and he better pucker up and find some sucker who wants him to drive their ideas into the ground, because he never had vision even at Lighthouse.

The staff were some of the nicest folks in the business and most of them couldn't stomach him.

All those abandoned Lighthouse applications are still available on NeXTStep 3.3 and Openstep 4.x for those interested in using them.

They were good apps and if Sun had cared to make money in several areas they could have ported them cleanly to OS X, but I guess it takes staff with the knowledge to bring it forward.

Having used Concurrence for years at NeXT, Keynote is generations ahead of Concurrence.

Next, Johnathan's going to proclaim that Lighthouse invented the NeXT UI that made their apps cool.
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It's no wonder that Mac users have a bad reputation on the Internet.

Why, because we're passionate? You can rave about MS, we'll justifiably rave about Apple and everyone is happy....as long as we leave each other alone...after you go away.

Go talk up MS on a MS fanboy site and leave us to do the same about our love for Apple.....and the portable electronic device God known by all here as Steve Jobs.

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post #56 of 89
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It's included in your tuition and as a part of OKY state funding. That is unless you're under a Federal Lower Income Grant, then it's just the government.

—Student Technology Products. Students are eligible for discounts on Microsoft, Dell, Apple, and Cingular products and services through OSU. For information on how to obtain the OSU discount on Dell or Apple products, as well as information on Cingular cellular plans for students, please visit http://it.okstate.edu/students/. Virus protection software and Microsoft products, including Windows and Mac versions, are available to download through OSU's Microsoft Campus Agreement at the software distribution center Web site at https://app.it.okstate.edu/sdc/login.php. Directions for software pick-up or delivery also are available on the software distribution center Web site.

—Additional Information. For a complete listing of IT resources, please visit http://it.okstate.edu/rc. For additional information about the Information Technology department, please visit http://it.okstate.edu.

Nothing is Free.

You can spin it anyway you want.

Student pay fixed amount of fee plus per hour tuitions. The fees students pay never change because they did or did not use the facilities and services. We don't get a bill at the end of the semester saying we downloaded such software and should pay for it. As I said:

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Fortunately for me, all MS software (Windows XP to 7, Office (Mac & Windows) .. etc) are provided free of charge for ALL students in our university.

Meaning I don't pay for them when I need to install them on my computer. I can download one or all of them and I will not be getting a bill telling me to pay money for them.
post #57 of 89
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And this is bad because why?...

If they are putting in 8 hours a day and feeding their family and that is all the education they have then more power to them for having a job.

Is this so low on your elitist list that it somehow disgusts you?

Wow! That went right over your head now didn't it?... He was referring to you starting your shift trolling on here...

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are we?...
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It doesn't matter to Microsoft. It's still cash in their pockets.

I wouldn't have lunch with Steve Jobs. He'd probably tell me he forgot his wallet and make me pay for it. Plus the thought of it makes me lose my appetite (much like your postings).

You're a fool. Steve's never cheap at lunch and he always buys. And if he's having lunch with you he values you more than you know. Hell, just go to 1 Infinite Loop during the day and say hello to whoever you want.

Of course it helps if people know you and you work there. Otherwise, you're just a stalker.

None of these myths about Steve are remotely true, with one exception. If you're in a meeting with the man, don't waste his time. He doesn't waste time with fans who want to work at Apple, just to giggle about the history. He wants talent and people with ideas.

I always found it amazing how people take offense to straight talkers, who are bluntly objective and aren't there to cultivate relationships as if a CEO and staff are going to be best friends.
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The reason Mac users use MS Office is because cross platform compatibility and iWork is a Mac only software. No one is undermining MS Office success. MS Office for Mac lacks many features available on Windows version (VBA for one). Furthermore, there are some compatibility issues between the two.

I am not talking simple documents and spreadsheets here. I am currently working on my dissertation on my MBP using Office for Windows via Parallels. One of the reasons I am doing so is because the Word template the department provided me didn't work well on Office for Mac (2004 and 2008). Fortunately for me, all MS software (Windows XP to 7, Office (Mac & Windows) .. etc) are provided free of charge for ALL students in our university.

Best of luck on your dissertation.
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Best of luck on your dissertation.

Thanks
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You're a fool. Steve's never cheap at lunch and he always buys. And if he's having lunch with you he values you more than you know. Hell, just go to 1 Infinite Loop during the day and say hello to whoever you want.

Of course it helps if people know you and you work there. Otherwise, you're just a stalker.

None of these myths about Steve are remotely true, with one exception. If you're in a meeting with the man, don't waste his time. He doesn't waste time with fans who want to work at Apple, just to giggle about the history. He wants talent and people with ideas.

I always found it amazing how people take offense to straight talkers, who are bluntly objective and aren't there to cultivate relationships as if a CEO and staff are going to be best friends.

Are you talking about Steve Jobs or Steve Balmer. They both seem the same foul mouthed idiots these days. Spew before they think and bad mouth the competition.

That is not my idea of a good man, company or cult.
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So, let me get this straight (if I can read through the BS)...

You not only run MS Office but MS OS XP or 7. That's putting even a bigger smile on Steve Balmer's face. You can't make it in the real world without Microsoft.

I'll call BS on All MS software is Free for you. Where do you attend your education?

Not even MIT/Government gets MS software for free. It was either included in your tuition or you are not telling the truth.

Care to supply the school, link for free software for students and date purchased?

Bill Gates gives Billions to charity but not to higher education. That is unless you're graduating grade school, it may be possible.

Why would he have any reason to make up a story that the school gives the software at no cost to the student? This is not the issue and your comments are out of line. What BG gives or doesn't give to higher education has nothing to do with MS as BG is no longer associated with MS. Your comments about NasserAE graduating grade school just shows your ignorance--working on a dissertation is not something grade schools require-- more likely working on an advanced degree at a university--but even my kids when they were in grade school knew that--duh!
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post #63 of 89
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Here is the link. It seems you really don't know what you are talking about. I suggest you stop posting BS.

Jackass.

PS: You might need to look up the definition of dissertation as well.

Good reply--again all the best on your dissertation. Does you research involve researching how some people can make complete JA of themselves in forums like this?
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post #64 of 89
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It's no wonder that Mac users have a bad reputation on the Internet.


Oh no!
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Good reply--again all the best on your dissertation. Does you research involve researching how some people can make complete JA of themselves in forums like this?

It is an interesting subject
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CEOs calling one another to inform them they are infringing on their IP instead of using lawyers as intermediaries sounds awfully gentlemanly.

Good point.

I was unaware that Bill Gates went so far as to say he "wouldn't piss on it" when referring to Microsoft not developing Office for the Next Computer. Those days, so long ago, but have not changed. Today we have Steve Ballmer famously saying "I'm going to fucking kill Google" just a few years ago. The tech industry is certainly not shy about making great drama.
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Why would he have any reason to make up a story that the school gives the software at no cost to the student? This is not the issue and your comments are out of line. What BG gives or doesn't give to higher education has nothing to do with MS as BG is no longer associated with MS. Your comments about NasserAE graduating grade school just shows your ignorance--working on a dissertation is not something grade schools require-- more likely working on an advanced degree at a university--but even my kids when they were in grade school knew that--duh!

It doesn't take a 6th grade education to call BS on his posting. MS doesn't give software away for free. It's being paid for by him in some form.

As for my education, I'm more than satisfied with my masters yet I'm still taking night courses to achieve my next goal.

Common sense seems to be lacking with this forum. The point I've made several times is that if the Mac OS and software is so great then why do most mac users need Microsoft.

Steve Jobs needs Steve Balmer and Microsoft.
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You're a fool. Steve's never cheap at lunch and he always buys. And if he's having lunch with you he values you more than you know. Hell, just go to 1 Infinite Loop during the day and say hello to whoever you want.

Of course it helps if people know you and you work there. Otherwise, you're just a stalker.

None of these myths about Steve are remotely true, with one exception. If you're in a meeting with the man, don't waste his time. He doesn't waste time with fans who want to work at Apple, just to giggle about the history. He wants talent and people with ideas.

I always found it amazing how people take offense to straight talkers, who are bluntly objective and aren't there to cultivate relationships as if a CEO and staff are going to be best friends.

Good points. People need to grow up.

+10 for this post.
post #69 of 89
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It doesn't take a 6th grade education to call BS on his posting. MS doesn't give software away for free. It's being paid for by him in some form.

As for my education, I'm more than satisfied with my masters yet I'm still taking night courses to achieve my next goal.

Common sense seems to be lacking with this forum. The point I've made several times is that if the Mac OS and software is so great then why do most mac users need Microsoft.

As a supplement to an already great user experience.

Since Microsoft doesn't like anyone to play in the sandbox with them, and Apple lets ANYONE play in their sandbox, us Apple users just want to make it easier to transfer Office documents between the two platforms......until all of you Windows users have a moment of clarity and finally switch to Mac!

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The point I've made several times is that if the Mac OS and software is so great then why do most mac users need Microsoft.

Steve Jobs needs Steve Balmer and Microsoft.

Jesus Christ is THAT all your point is?

OK Mac users need Office because some places on the internet actually require them. Ok? Now will you please go away and finish those extra courses that you are doing and stop wasting everyone's time.
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post #71 of 89
Sun Management didn't need Apple to destroy Sun. They did it themselves.
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...This guy should make up his mind: Wear a T-shirt or cut the pony-tail.

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If Microsoft Office is that Bad then why do 3/4 of Mac users have it on their Mac.

It puts a smile on Steve Balmer's face with every sale.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1380...se_office.html

And now that it's Cocoa I imagine that will only go up.

Besides, Microsoft is Apple's new BFF to fight off Google dominance in every market.
Good luck with Bing!

I've got it and I hate it. It isn't even compatible with the Windows version.

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Looks like Sun did everything wrong.

I think we've heard enough from Mr. Schwartz and his now-defunct company.


Schwartz looted Sun for all its worth. Sun was once a market leader.

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post #74 of 89
I think the "mininum amount of work" comment in the article was not exactly fair. I recall that Mac Office X was the first major software package released on OS X and was critical to validating the platform and creating momentum for the transition. They also implemented little genie effects and the like, so they certainly were exploring OS X technology. If they had done a cocoa port, it could have been a year or two more to wait.

As for VB, they couldn't get it ready in time for 2008 because the switch to Intel forced them to dig into a poorly-understood spaghetti codebase full of assembler and other treats. They started working on the new VB engine before releasing 2008 and we'll have it back in 2011. Except for the lack of Access, Office 2011 looks like it will bring Office on the Mac close to parity with Windows, but we'll see how it plays out.
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Dude, your (sic) so full of shit. STFU. No wait, I'll add you to my ignore list.

Good idea. Angus Young is one of those sad little posters who was probably bullied as a child, and feels the need to lash out at others later in life as a result.

Don't blame him, he can't help it. At least now he gets Steve Ballmers shilling for all his hard work trolling Apple forums. After all, no-one but a complete imbecile would come here and post the crap he does just for his own enjoyment.

Angus Young: It's really very easy to discover that Microsoft makes a healthy profit from it's Mac software. Please, at least try to base your trolling on just one single accurate statement.


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Steve Jobs needs Steve Balmer and Microsoft.

Not any more he doesn't. I repeat, do a little research and you'll find your assertions are false in every way.
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Looks like Sun did everything wrong.

I think we've heard enough from Mr. Schwartz and his now-defunct company.

he accomplished more than you ever will. i doubt you will get the chance to run a large tech company into the ground or otherwise. but you do get to run your large mouth.
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he accomplished more than you ever will. i doubt you will get the chance to run a large tech company into the ground or otherwise. but you do get to run your large mouth.

So failing on an epic scale is something to aspire to? Neat.
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Haha, haha, project looking glass, their attempt at making 3d desktop effects to one up microsoft, when OSX already had it.

Linux had it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz) a full year+ before OS X Leopard, so what's your point? By the way, what 3D desktop effects do think OS X even has? All of the effects in OS X are 2D transparency and animation techniques.
post #79 of 89
Umm, why can't he be as passionate as u are. Maybe he's passionate about both companies.
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Why, because we're passionate? You can rave about MS, we'll justifiably rave about Apple and everyone is happy....as long as we leave each other alone...after you go away.

Go talk up MS on a MS fanboy site and leave us to do the same about our love for Apple.....and the portable electronic device God known by all here as Steve Jobs.

I don't see anywhere in the article where Steve shut his trap and got silent when the Sun CEO told him off.
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So failing on an epic scale is something to aspire to? Neat.

i am sure you fail on a mediocre scale daily....so what?

from steve jobs 'im pretty sure none of this would have happened if I hadn't been fired from Apple. It was awful tasting medicine, but I guess the patient needed it. Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I did'

so you fail from time to time. the point is pick yourself up afterwards and try again. steve did. john should try again as well.
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