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Similar to how Apple's iPod touch came from the development of the iPhone, Microsoft reportedly plans to base the follow-up to its Zune HD media player on the Windows Phone 7 Series mobile operating system.

At this week's Game Developers Conference, Microsoft unveiled its new XNA Game Studio 4.0, which allows developers to create games that can run on a variety of devices, including Windows desktops, the Xbox 360 and future phones running Windows Phone 7 Series. In addition, ZDNet's Mary-Jo Foley said Microsoft is working on a "Zune HD2" that will be similar to the iPod touch, in that it will have no phone functionality.

But the migration to XNA 4.0 means the current version, 3.1, will be left behind. XNA 3.1 is used to write games and applications for the existing Zune HD, which was just released last September. Microsoft has reportedly encouraged developers to migrate their titles over to the Windows Phone 7 Series platform.

That move would make the small number of developers who have written applications for the current Zune HD to abandon the device, at least in its current iteration. Though Microsoft has not announced any plans, it's possible that the Zune HD operating system could be updated for compatibility with the new XNA 4.0 suite.

"The company's decision to cut Zune HD from the list of targets for XNA Game Studio 4.0 may rile some developers/users, I'd think," Foley wrote.

Windows Phone 7 Series was revealed in February and will be on devices due to hit the market by holiday 2010. The new mobile operating system borrowed heavily from the Zune HD touchscreen interface, and uses the Zune branding for its integrated media player.

The Zune HD sports an OLED multi-touch screen, can tune into HD radio stations, offers playback of high-definition movies and TV shows, and has access to the $15-per-month unlimited download Zune Pass.

Last September, Apple introduced a 64GB iPod touch with a 50 percent faster processor supporting Open GL ES 2.0. In January, the Cupertino, Calif., company revealed that iPod touch sales have been strong, growing 55 percent year-over-year.

Recent surveys have found that the iPod touch has grew faster than the iPhone in late 2009. Another study discovered that iPod touch users spend more time using applications on their device than iPhone users.
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Do not be too hard on Redmond Guys. They are trying to do the best they can at what they do best (or at least what they think they can do best) "COPY" We all know how that usually turns out.
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Do not be too hard on Redmond Guys. They are trying to do the best they can at what they do best (or at least what they think they can do best) "COPY" We all know how that usually turns out.

Someday Microsoft is going to get this right, then they'll try to leverage their existing monopolies to push it through. A decade later the Justice Department may chime in, but it may be too late. I'm already seeing pressure to use Microsoft's Surface SDK and .NET 4.0 touch SDK in future vertical software development since it integrates well with the Windows computers in many offices. It could very well be that Apple wins the consumer market but Microsoft ends up with several times the market share as the business market wakes up to multi-touch...
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So let me get this right. Zune, HD, 2, with Windows, Mobile, version 7....???

Uhhhhhgggg, puleazzzz just stop Microsoft.... seriously, stop it now.
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Microsoft's new slogan: "A day late, and a dollar short... oh, uh, also 'developers, developers, developers.'"

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Lol Zune HD 2 with Windows Mobile 7 Series. That's a mouthful and does not really tell you what the device actually does.

But jokes aside I was not very impressed with WinMo7. It definitely departs from the iPhone / Android / WinMo 6.5 way of doing things, but in my view it makes it more complicated and harder to find what you are looking for. Plus I don't want all the pictures and status updates right there on my home screen for all to see without even having to open an app.

Xbox is really the only consumer good in recent memory that Microsoft got right (not withstanding the RROD) and it is good to hear that there will be more integration between xbox and WinMo7 devices.

This however is no enterprise OS, and I feel that business users will either ditch WinMo completely for blackberry or stick to 6.5 for as long as it is supported.
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post #7 of 49
they really need branding help!!!
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But I thought the Zune HD was so great.
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I saw someone with a zune hd here at work, and jokingly I said "Zune HD, what's that?" and this dude started acting like I was serious. I had to calm him down before he hyperventilated.

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So let me get this right. Zune, HD, 2, with Windows, Mobile, version 7....???

Uhhhhhgggg, puleazzzz just stop Microsoft.... seriously, stop it now.

I don't think they heard you. Add more h's and z's.
post #10 of 49
Even when Microsoft isn't following/copying Apple it appears as though they are.
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Someday Microsoft is going to get this right, then they'll try to leverage their existing monopolies to push it through. A decade later the Justice Department may chime in, but it may be too late. I'm already seeing pressure to use Microsoft's Surface SDK and .NET 4.0 touch SDK in future vertical software development since it integrates well with the Windows computers in many offices. It could very well be that Apple wins the consumer market but Microsoft ends up with several times the market share as the business market wakes up to multi-touch...

Maybe not. My son is switching the company he works for (the largest company in their industry) from a largely paper process to a total electronic system using iPod Touches and iPads and in the process, switching from Windows to Macs. When it comes to hardware and software, Apple has the best enterprise solutions. Business isn't dumber than consumers. They're starting to catch on.
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you would seriously think they would want to distance themselves from that horrendous Zune name and all the failure associated with it. Why would they not brand it as a handheld X-Box product? Who cares what it is a reincarnation of? Bing is the reincarnation of Live Search but they didn't call it Live Search 2...they need to get away from that cursed Zune name
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Someday Microsoft is going to get this right, then they'll try to leverage their existing monopolies to push it through.

This is their current strategy. Apparently the attraction is develop once, run everywhere. The problem is, it's a mistake based on the wrongheaded idea that software developed for desktop Windows will be appropriate for smaller-scale devices just because it runs on both platforms. They really don't seem to get it.
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MS showed something cool this week. the same game on WinMo 7, X-Box and PC. and when you saved it on one device and played on another device it remembered the save point across all devices
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you would seriously think they would want to distance themselves from that horrendous Zune name and all the failure associated with it. Why would they not brand it as a handheld X-Box product? Who cares what it is a reincarnation of? Bing is the reincarnation of Live Search but they didn't call it Live Search 2...they need to get away from that cursed Zune name

I agree with this. Most people who don't keep up with this sort of thing might hear zune and decide it was already something they either decided against in the past, or had heard bad things about.

There are literally millions of words that aren't really words that they could have chosen as a new name for this device.

Actually, I think Microsoft got Bing and Zune from watching old 1960's batman episodes. Maybe their next product will be called the Zlonk or the Glipp.
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Microsoft's mobile strategy:

"We'll run in the red for a few years, take a lot of heat from our fanbase, but we promise you in 7 years we'll come up with something really great."
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Maybe not. My son is switching the company he works for (the largest company in their industry) from a largely paper process to a total electronic system using iPod Touches and iPads and in the process, switching from Windows to Macs. When it comes to hardware and software, Apple has the best enterprise solutions. Business isn't dumber than consumers. They're starting to catch on.

I'd disagree. Macs are making inroads in small businesses but enterprises will continue to use MS because of Exchange, Sharepoint, etc.. MS caters to this crowd. Apple does not. Large companies don't like to upgrade hardware or software and Apple is quick to dump old tech.

I'd say the consumer market is much larger than the business market so that is to Apple's advantage.

I'd be very concerned that, at least on this front, MS seems to be getting their act together. They are copying Apple but MS can afford to not be innovators.
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Microsoft's mobile strategy:

"We'll run in the red for a few years, take a lot of heat from our fanbase, but we promise you in 7 years we'll come up with something really great."

and the market's reaction:

"See you in 7 years"
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Zune 2 - The Revenge of the Squirt
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I'm just surprised that they want to replace the Zune HD already. Talk about putting all their eggs in the WinMo7 UI basket. Hasn't even been re-world tested and they wan't to implement it on other devices too. One step at a time MS.
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Zune 2 - The Revenge of the Squirt

So wrong... Buy yet, so funny!
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Actually, I think Microsoft got Bing and Zune from watching old 1960's batman episodes. Maybe their next product will be called the Zlonk or the Glipp.

**Tea -> Screen**

OMG, that's the funniest thing I've read in ages.
post #23 of 49
Rather ambitious. Considering the Zune HD has been out for almost 8 months now, and they've released barely a handful of marketplace apps for it.

That's the problem with Microsoft; they put out a product with all these gee-whiz features, abilities, in all sorts of colors with customized graphics, spreading it out real thick on everything it will be capable of in the future, then let it stagnate. The Zune HD was stillborn, and they are already talking about releasing a new version?

Glad I sold mine when I did...
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I almost puke every time I see company videos which discuss using our internal apps on a Windows Mobile PDA. Heck, no Windows Mobile PDA is listed on our extremely limited supported device list. They're all Windows Mobile Not Very Smartphones... I'm just waiting for the Windows Desktop version of the apps (which they say folks want). They have been *lying* about the iPhone being incompatible with getting signatures (can't do it and no stylus), which is a good way to have folks *not* ask for an iPhone version. I wonder when the Big Man will get around to firing those liars after he buys something for over $100 at an Apple Store...
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"i" took off after the success of iMac - iBook, iPod, iPhone, iPad (one hopes). But if the iMac had failed they wouldn't have stuck with the moniker or line extensions.

I agree with the earlier post - kill "Zune." Congeal their consumer electronics "ecosystem" into one brand. Without going all X-Box, X-Phone, X-Pad...
post #26 of 49
They drive me crazy... the iPod wasn't perfect, but Apple continued to refine the idea, over and over. Microsoft seems obsessed with cleaning the slate every few years.
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[CENTER]Interesting given that the (current) ZUNE HD UI is based on Microsoft Metro, the same design paradigm from which WinPho 7s originates.

So if anything, the (brilliant) ZUNE HD UI inspired WinPho7S, not the reverse.[/CENTER]
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But I thought the Zune HD was so great.

[CENTER]Well it certainly is for those who appreciate outstanding design/functionality, and have the intellectual aptitude to actually use the device to its full potential.

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post #29 of 49
Next up, Micro$oft releases a handheld device with advanced character recognition that interprets handwriting to text. They call it Notwen.

(that's Newton backwards for you slower 'folk)
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If I were a MSFT stockholder, I'd be pissed at the company's clumsy attempts to insert themselves into markets that don't want them.

They ought to focus on the few areas where they compete well and focus on them instead of wasting money on hopeless trinkets.
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So let me get this right. Zune, HD, 2, with Windows, Mobile, version 7....???

Uhhhhhgggg, puleazzzz just stop Microsoft.... seriously, stop it now.

[CENTER]So, let me get this right. OS X, OS X Leopard, OS X Snow Leopard, what's next OS X Snow Leopard Bhutan?


Please Just Stop Apple - Seriously Just Stop It Now - Oy Vey![/CENTER]
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Maybe not. My son is switching the company he works for (the largest company in their industry) from a largely paper process to a total electronic system using iPod Touches and iPads and in the process, switching from Windows to Macs. When it comes to hardware and software, Apple has the best enterprise solutions. Business isn't dumber than consumers. They're starting to catch on.

You know, my company also relies on iPads to do most of our business. Currently, we're sitting around doing a whole lot of nothing until the things are actually available. Where did your son's company pick some up so fast?

The thing that MS has done in the past is to release their newest Zune OS on to older devices. So it wouldn't surprise me if they released a verson of WP7 for the current Zune HD. It's not going to have all the features the phone would, but then an iPod Touch lacks a lot of extras that the iPhone has. So it won't have the camera and obviously the three buttons is out, you could probably still get the OS on the device and fit it into the new ecosystem.
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This would appear to contradict the claim from AI that MS was going to sell a "Zune Phone" that's incompatible with WinMo7. Instead, it would appear that they are just going to abandon the old Zune, and make the new Zune a WinMo7 device. That actually makes much more sense -- they are getting their house in order.

I continue to believe that MS is a larger competitive threat to Apple than Google. Google is way out of its league here.
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[CENTER]Well it certainly is for those who appreciate outstanding design/functionality, and have the intellectual aptitude to actually use the device to its full potential.

[/CENTER]



Oh...wait, was that meant as a serious statement?
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To the extent that this is successful (and has successors), there goes the HP-ad or HP-od or HP-od Touch (or whatever that thingy is).......
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If I were a MSFT stockholder, I'd be pissed at the company's clumsy attempts to insert themselves into markets that don't want them.

They ought to focus on the few areas where they compete well and focus on them instead of wasting money on hopeless trinkets.

Can't the same thing be said about Apple when they entered the phone arena? I remember quite a few people saying the same thing about them.

Micro$oft has just as much right to enter the market as anyone else. Even when all the cards are stacked against them.
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This would appear to contradict the claim from AI that MS was going to sell a "Zune Phone" that's incompatible with WinMo7. Instead, it would appear that they are just going to abandon the old Zune, and make the new Zune a WinMo7 device. That actually makes much more sense -- they are getting their house in order.

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post #38 of 49
Dumping backward compatibility already? Not very Microsoft of them... they seem to be copying the strategies of a well-known competitor
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I have been waiting to to see if Redmond was going to get serious about the mobile space, and it appears they are. I think it is wise of them to cut their losses on WinMo and focus on building out Metro as the singular and more robust WinP7 strategy. The only thing that still massively hampers their programs is the still relatively toxic corporate culture (you think Apple is bad!), that keeps their teams from strategic partnerships when they are needed, not just critical (as in the Vista/Win7 rewrite). Time of course will tell.
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If I were a MSFT stockholder, I'd be pissed at the company's clumsy attempts to insert themselves into markets that don't want them.

They ought to focus on the few areas where they compete well and focus on them instead of wasting money on hopeless trinkets.


If I were an MS stockholder I would sell it all NOW.
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