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post #41 of 139
I just bought two of the 32gb wifis.
One for my mom, and one for me. If I like it, I'll get the 3g model later and give my wifi version to my daughters.
What fun.
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Posts that make derogatory statements about other posters will continue to be unceremoniously deleted. Waste your time if you wish.

While I agree, you guys also need a policy for folks that consistently and imperviously detract from every thread by repeating the same negative thing again and again.

Your call, lundy et. al. But I sure hope you'll do something about guys like the iGenius and the TEKSTUDs that regularly hijack many of these threads and make it an unreadable joke.
post #43 of 139
Why is preordering limited to two per customer a problem? It's not as if you won't be able to buy only two per customer after preordering has ended.

Looks like demand is phenomenal, given that people are complaining about limited preorders, of all things.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Here's what it meant: The use of artificial scarcity is a common technique to pique consumer interest.

This is true. Choke the supply to drive up demand. Pretty basic retail strategy.

Is this what's actually happening, though?
post #45 of 139
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

This is true. Choke the supply to drive up demand. Pretty basic retail strategy.

Is this what's actually happening, though?

I worked in retail for a while, and our basic strategy was "have things on the shelves so people can give us money for them."
post #46 of 139
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

While I agree, you guys also need a policy for folks that consistently and imperviously detract from every thread by repeating the same negative thing again and again.

Your call, lundy et. al. But I sure hope you'll do something about guys like the iGenius and the TEKSTUDs that regularly hijack many of these threads and make it an unreadable joke.

While artificial scarcity is one plausible explanation for the "only 2 per customer" policy there is another plausible reason; to avoid a lack of product. As we've seen in the past, customers get upset when they can't get product.

I'm sure there are other good reasons as well.

PS. - I agree with the statement by anantksundaram. I'm watching this thread dissolve into absolute crap by the senseless posts and the senseless replies (such as this ps) to iGenius.
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post #47 of 139
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Why is it that you are unable to respond without being insulting?

Your intent was perfectly clear, but has no value because you have no proof whatsoever that the device is being artificially limited. If such is your contention, you will need to support it with facts.

I never made any such contention. I said that the "only 2" policy reminded me of the "get a crowd out front" policy. The only contention was that I was reminded.

It is a common technique. It may be that Apple really has problems supplying adequete product to meet demand, but I have no proof of that. There was a repart to that effect a week ago or so, but my impression was that it had been debunked.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

This is true. Choke the supply to drive up demand. Pretty basic retail strategy.

Is this what's actually happening, though?

There's no real way for us to know.
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Looks like demand is phenomenal, given that people are complaining about limited preorders, of all things.[/QUOTE]

Looks are sometimes deceiving.
post #50 of 139
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While artificial scarcity is one plausible explanation for the "only 2 per customer" policy there is another plausible reason; to avoid a lack of product. As we've seen in the past, customers get upset when they can't get product.

Yes. You do far more damage by pissing customers off than you gain by a specious limiting policy. That works for nightclubs; not so much for expensive consumer electronics.

Spread the iPads around, and stop people trying to buy up large quantities and flip them.
post #51 of 139
The limit might be in place to cut down on resale outlets or sites selling them - similar to limiting ticket scalpers.
The two-iPad limit is not that big of deal really. Get over it.
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post #52 of 139
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It is a common technique. It may be that Apple really has problems supplying adequete product to meet demand, but I have no proof of that. There was a repart to that effect a week ago or so, but my impression was that it had been debunked.

It takes huge effort to tool up to produce anything as complex as a computer in large numbers, especially one with a new form factor and processor. I have no doubt that ramping supply up will take a while.

I really don't think Apple needs any artificial help in generating buzz - the way your analogous nightclub would - about the iPad. It has received saturation coverage from the moment the keynote ended.
post #53 of 139
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Originally Posted by Masteric View Post

"Hurry, hurry, hurry folks. Step right up and get your 9.7" iPod Touch... uhh.. iPad."

No thanks. I will pass. It took them this long to take an iPod Touch and turn it into an (almost) 10" model and give us nothing more than an option to make it a book reader and pay AT&T for data service? No thanks. I love Apple (and my iPod Touch, Mac-Mini, and my Macbook), but this offers me nothing that I need.

Put a camera on it, give me a data service other than AT&T, and let it muli-task and we will talk.

why do people love posting about what they won't do? Anyway regarding multitasking, you must not have seen yesterdays' report? Also why would you use any other carrier for the data plan on an ipad. Verizon's data plan comes with a contract, requires that you spend money on and carry around additional hardware and it cost $60/ month with a 5GB limit.

So all you are left with is waiting for a camera?
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post #54 of 139
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I really don't think Apple needs any artificial help in generating buzz - the way your analogous nightclub would - about the iPad. It has received saturation coverage from the moment the keynote ended.


Good points. But I note that much of the coverage has been negative. I also note that lots of folks are apt to jump on a bandwagon, and that things in short supply often seem extra-desirable.
post #55 of 139
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Originally Posted by Moloch View Post

Apple is using the 2-iPad limit as a trick to give the impression there is more demand than there is.

Ever get pissed off because you can't get tickets to a concert, sports event or a special product release without paying an arm and a leg?

Well, right now, there are nearly 240 auctions on EBay for the iPad. Why give the scalpers more ammunition to draw from?
post #56 of 139
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

This is true. Choke the supply to drive up demand. Pretty basic retail strategy.

Is this what's actually happening, though?

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I worked in retail for a while, and our basic strategy was "have things on the shelves so people can give us money for them."

I was thinking the same thing. You control supply and demand to manipulate price. As far as I know supply and demand are independent from each other.
post #57 of 139
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

In the f*cking US f*cking A only.

Something like 40% of their sales are outside of the USA now and still they pull this crap. Obviously living 20 minutes from the US border in an exotic place like Canada makes me some kind of fancy foreigner.

Apple being an asshole about this is bad enough AppleInsider could at least put "in the USA" after the title or mention somewhere in the article that all you they talking about is the USA.

Girl you need to relax. You'll only have to wait a month. Curb the foul language.
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post #58 of 139
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Good points. But I note that much of the coverage has been negative. I also note that lots of folks are apt to jump on a bandwagon, and that things in short supply often seem extra-desirable.

I think you are transferring your own negativity to the iPad stories. As much as there have been some negative stories by geeks in geek forums (sorry guys... not meant maliciously), there have also been some very positive stories in the mainstream press... and, if you're actually reading this thread you'll notice that demand is quite high amongst apple devotees.
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post #59 of 139
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This sort of stuff ruins this forum.

Ahhh, No!

The idea that people post here talking about what the product should do to meet their niche requirements, or the IPad will fail, or why it's for grandma is just getting old and I for one would rather discuss what we can do with it. It has allot of possibility as an every day device and will suit my needs well producing television and movies.
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post #60 of 139
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The limit might be in place to cut down on resale outlets or sites selling them - similar to limiting ticket scalpers.
The two-iPad limit is not that big of deal really. Get over it.

In the past, I remember seeing few pre-orders being sold on ebay before products were even shipping. There are many countries around the world that won't be getting the iPad on April 3rd (Some will get it later this year). You can expect overseas retailers to have representative pre-ordering in high quantities in the US and ship them to be sold at more than double the price. This could be a problem for Apple retail stores and customers here in the US.
post #61 of 139
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

I think you are transferring your own negativity to the iPad stories. As much as there have been some negative stories by geeks in geek forums (sorry guys... not meant maliciously), there have also been some very positive stories in the mainstream press... and, if you're actually reading this thread you'll notice that demand is quite high amongst apple devotees.

Yes, the press coverage for the 'Pad has been very mixed. That is why I said "much of" as a qualifier.

The negative press is not restricted to geek fora. Much of the mainstream press coverage has also been negative.

And this thread is not any sort of window into the minds of apple devotees in general - the small, self-selected nature precludes that.

All that being said, I expect the 'Pad to sell very well.
post #62 of 139
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Originally Posted by Onhka View Post

Ever get pissed off because you can't get tickets to a concert, sports event or a special product release without paying an arm and a leg?

Well, right now, there are nearly 240 auctions on EBay for the iPad. Why give the scalpers more ammunition to draw from?

We've seen this before. Remember the lady who wanted to buy $100k worth of iPhones to sell on eBay and paid some kid $800 for his #1 place in line only to later realize she could only buy one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYBFY98lWcU Apple isn't raising the price for the high demand, we know it's late to market and the device isn't even sold to other countries until late April. It clear the demand is very real, not just imagined as some wish to imply.
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post #63 of 139
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

In the f*cking US f*cking A only.

Something like 40% of their sales are outside of the USA now and still they pull this crap. Obviously living 20 minutes from the US border in an exotic place like Canada makes me some kind of fancy foreigner.

Apple being an asshole about this is bad enough AppleInsider could at least put "in the USA" after the title or mention somewhere in the article that all you they talking about is the USA.

Here is the much more succinct and more accurate version from MacNN:

"As promised, iPad pre-orders have begun at the Apple Store. The campaign lets US customers pre-order the Wi-Fi and 3G versions of the tablet for online shipments. It also lets customers reserve a unit at a retail store in the country."

I don't want to hear it.
Canada won gold in men's and women's Olympic hockey, and your hockey coverage up there is vastly superior.
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post #64 of 139
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But I note that much of the coverage has been negative.

Then you're not paying attention. "Much" of the geek press has been lukewarm, but (as noted many times here, correctly) this isn't positioned as a geek device. Many blogs and press writeups have noted this, which gives the lie to your implication. The real point here is to create a consumer device that changes the landscape for how users interact with an O/S, thereby simplifying and focusing the whole experience on specific functions, not on system capabilities that many don't understand or access.

Whether or not it's going to be a success, who knows. But while the initial buzz was in the geek crew (present company included), the real fuel behind this will come from the rest of the market. And that's by design, as Apple has made crystal clear.

Expand your knowledge of "coverage" before you characterize it. Or continue to look uninformed.
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All that being said, I expect the 'Pad to sell very well.

I wouldn't have known that from reading your posts.
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post #66 of 139
I'm torn! I want to buy something nice for myself, but I don't know if I'll make real use of the ipad.

I need to find a website showing all the things one can do with an ipad. Anyone have anything like that?
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However, since the iPad can be charged using a computer USB then it shouldn't be a problem charging it using the iPhones power adapter. The only advantage with the iPad power adapter is the 6-foot-long cord.

You only get 2.5W off your USB port, so the charge time would be dramatically longer. Not bad if you are just plugging it in during the day... but that kind of defeats the intent.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

In the f*cking US f*cking A only.

Something like 40% of their sales are outside of the USA now and still they pull this crap. Obviously living 20 minutes from the US border in an exotic place like Canada makes me some kind of fancy foreigner.

Apple being an asshole about this is bad enough AppleInsider could at least put "in the USA" after the title or mention somewhere in the article that all you they talking about is the USA.

Here is the much more succinct and more accurate version from MacNN:

"As promised, iPad pre-orders have begun at the Apple Store. The campaign lets US customers pre-order the Wi-Fi and 3G versions of the tablet for online shipments. It also lets customers reserve a unit at a retail store in the country."

Whoa. We'll get it too, don't worry. As far as the 3G models go, it's also up to carriers here (like Rogers), not just Apple. Apple is currently in talks with Rogers, so we'll get it, not to worry. Shouldn't take too long.

Wow, is demand ever high for this thing!
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

I wouldn't have known that from reading your posts.

I've said exactly that many times, starting on the day of the announcement.
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Then the cord is included with the adapter that comes with the iPad?

The $29 power supply comes with a six-foot power cord, which is longer than the in-box power cord. The narrative about it implies (or maybe I merely infer) that it is smaller, physically, than the in-box power supply.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

I've said exactly that many times, starting on the day of the announcement.

Then what's with the empty nightclub statement?

You can't suggest one thing and yet believe another unless you have a personality disorder.
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You only get 2.5W off your USB port, so the charge time would be dramatically longer. Not bad if you are just plugging it in during the day... but that kind of defeats the intent.

Good point. I wonder if plugging the 10W adapter to my iPhone will charge faster or blow it up though

EDIT: Never mind. It will work with the iPhone "It also charges iPhone and all iPod models with a dock connector."
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I've said exactly that many times, starting on the day of the announcement.

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post #74 of 139
Apple stock jumped today because of an event that was totally foreseen- the opening up for iPad pre-orders. Seems to me someone inside who can see the pre-order numbers is having an intimate conversation with his broker.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

In the f*cking US f*cking A only.

Something like 40% of their sales are outside of the USA now and still they pull this crap. Obviously living 20 minutes from the US border in an exotic place like Canada makes me some kind of fancy foreigner.

Apple being an asshole about this is bad enough AppleInsider could at least put "in the USA" after the title or mention somewhere in the article that all you they talking about is the USA.

Here is the much more succinct and more accurate version from MacNN:

"As promised, iPad pre-orders have begun at the Apple Store. The campaign lets US customers pre-order the Wi-Fi and 3G versions of the tablet for online shipments. It also lets customers reserve a unit at a retail store in the country."

In the original introduction for the iPad, Jobs said that it would be released outside the USA later than within the USA. So why are you surprised that it's not initially available outside the USA?
post #76 of 139
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

While artificial scarcity is one plausible explanation for the "only 2 per customer" policy there is another plausible reason; to avoid a lack of product. As we've seen in the past, customers get upset when they can't get product.

I think you're right. Given the choice, Apple (or any retailer, really) would rather some small number of customers are disappointed that they can't order sixteen or whatever, than some larger number of customers be disappointed that they can't get one at all because a few guys bought truckloads of them.

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PS. - I agree with the statement by anantksundaram. I'm watching this thread dissolve into absolute crap by the senseless posts and the senseless replies (such as this ps) to iGenius.

I think you're right about this as well. I haven't been on this forum for very long, but it seems like even in the past few days it's gotten harder to sift the actual conversation from the chaff of nonsense and noise. It's been a little frustrating.
post #77 of 139
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Here's what it meant: The use of artificial scarcity is a common technique to pique consumer interest.

From now on, I'll try to make my statements simple and easy enough for Apple's target demographic to understand.

It may be a common technique, but you have no evidence that this is the case with the iPad. I trust that sentence is simple and easy enough for even an iGenius to understand.
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Originally Posted by icyfog View Post

I don't want to hear it.
Canada won gold in men's and women's Olympic hockey, and your hockey coverage up there is vastly superior.

From what I understand, so was our Olympic TV coverage. We got to see just about every significant moment during the games live, not delayed until prime time. Imagine half a dozen channels all covering different events.

Vive la difference.
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Originally Posted by andyapple View Post

If the 10W USB Power Adapter is included with the iPad, why is it also sold separately? Just for the 6' power cord? Why don't they just sell the cord by itself? What am I missing here?

If you have more than one dock and want extra power, there is an extra power adaptor as an accessory.

And I stand corrected - as someone else pointed out the power cord is between the wall and the brick. It's the same cord every other Apple brick power adaptor has used for the last several years.

And I do believe if you call into Apple you can get that cord by itself as a spare part. I haven't had the need myself since just about every power supply comes with one but half of mine are using the shorter direct plug into the wall adaptors.

Indeed, I'm not worried about getting extra iPad power adaptors, I'll just use one I never used from an old iPod (USB, not Firewire tho!) to power a second dock at work.
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Whoa. We'll get it too, don't worry. As far as the 3G models go, it's also up to carriers here (like Rogers), not just Apple. Apple is currently in talks with Rogers, so we'll get it, not to worry. Shouldn't take too long.

Wow, is demand ever high for this thing!

Apple can't win with some folks. They stagger a launch on one product or don't stagger the launch on another. Still the shit flies.

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