Tight iPad supply has Apple turning down volume orders for businesses - Page 2

Seriously - is he banned?

I wrote this previously but decided to hold back. Hope the ban lasts. He was worse than teckstud imo.

It amazes me how someone can come across on an open forum as so utterly unpleasant. I mean, some people have the social grace of a pesky mosquito. Some people can single handedly make a party a wholly unpleasant place to be for everyone else purely through their tone and unpleasant demeanour. Some people suffer from a terrible mix of contrarianism and arrogance which manifests itself as an childlike compulsion to stand out, prove others wrong and generally be demeaning without adding anything of value to the discourse.

The AI forums are affected by people like that and it is a shame. The hijacking of threads by such people exposes the problem with open and democratic forums. I have chaired many professional meetings and debates and in order to keep the discussion on topic, and most importantly, democratic, the participants need to be kept in line and prevented from taking over by sheer force of personality or lack of self control.

Hmmm I know this is off topic but I have a formal request for the AI forums.

When iGenius gets banned instead of a static "Banned" under his name the word could instead be a link to the offending post or thread. Searching it out by hand is somewhat time consuming.

Thanks for your consideration!

I'm not saying there aren't going to be consumers that go ahead and pre order the only point I was making is I believe pre orders aren't going to be that much of an issue (Apple running out of supply) because many users will want to at least give the iPad a try before buying it.

If this was simply an update on an exsisting product that would be a different story but this is a new device.

I plan on getting an iPad I just want the chance to use one before I buy it to make sure it truly suits my needs. If you know without a doubt its what you want then by all means go for it.

Ipad Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stQnzLWjxuQ

I am sure at most he got banned for three days. The mods on this forum are extremely reasonable and I have yet to see them ever overreact. Seeing this is the first time he has been banned I would be shocked if it was for more then three days which is fairly commone for users that go off topic all the time.

Sure that was oxygen?

Is this three business days or just three days?

1. It will be a 'hit' no doubt - but NEVER buy rev.1. Common Solipsism, you know that.

2. The iPhone was never in short supply up here in Vancouver. Can't speak for other area's, but it smells like marketing hype to me.

3. Next year there will be an established eco-system surrounding it. More services, faster hardware, a camera, more peripherals etc...

4. You got a point. But from experience, rev.2 has been more successful for Apple over the years.

Generally speaking, Rev.1 is for developers and nerds. Those who feel it's important to get a stake in a 'technological gold rush' so to speak. Or wealthy people who just want to be the first... who in turn cry to Apple and expect cheques when the price drops or technology improves on a 2nd gen.

I don't have time to fight shortcomings on rev.1 products. I think it's wiser to sit back for a short period of time and let the hardcore developers (1st line infantry) go in and set the stage. But thats just my opinion.

There is no evidence yes but there's an entire literature outlining how artificially managing perceived stock levels is a way of stimulating additional demand. Apple read that chapter closely and use it daily to create the perception that fits their business.

As an example, all of the different phone companies near me that sell iPhone have a sign (a glossy one made by Apple) saying "limited stock" under the picture of the 3GS that's been widely available for 9 months now.

It's not just Apple, but Sony have done exactly the same thing for years with their suppliers playing down stock levels but always, somehow having just enough to meet demand. Most companies from boutiques to jewellers play this fun little game with us, and they think we don't know it.

Let the tea-leaf reading begin!

If these reports turn out to be accurate, then I think the best strategy for those who want one right away might be to have it shipped rather than held for pickup.

10 minutes before closing time the Apple store sells its last iPad. More arriving tomorrow.

Similar to JIT manufacturing process it is JIT sales process.

Believe me I'm not loosing a bit of sleep over his ban... I just wanted to see the post that went too far... Nothing like reading a good meltdown blow by blow.

In the iPhone gets a page each year showing which stores have which models in stock. It's at least updated daily.

Even month after the 3GS had launched Italy was still in short supply while the US seemed to be getting enough supply to satisfy it. Considering it's the largest buyer of iPhones they were not evenly distributing shipments.

In general the next product will always be faster and have more for the same price or lower. There are always things to watch out for. Take the last round of MBPs that dropped the 3GBps SATA II for a 1.5Gbps controller that doesn't play nice with 3rd-party drives. Apple did a firmware update to 3Gbps but it still doesn't play nice with other drives. A new product like the iPad or a new case design like with the MB which pretty much has the well worn MBP innards is *new* and *old*.

With any CE I suggest waiting to see how it fairs with tests and reviews to see if meets your standards, but waiting a year for a product that has a new logic board and many other new features in the same casing isn't exactly a good idea, IMO.

The iPhone was in incredibly short supply in the States in the weeks after it first shipped. Remember when Apple put that real-time store tracker on their site, so you could see which models were currently in stock at which retail stores? For days on end, whole chunks of the country were just totally sold out.

I doubt the iPad demand will be anywhere near that level, but it's not inconceivable that supplies will be constrained.

To those that think Apple is artificially limiting supply to create demand. Note that if there is already demand all you end up doing is hurting your sales, the only thing a company cares about. It makes no sense to suggest that they delayed the shipment date and limited the number you could buy to make more money. It's irrational.

Haha... yes exactly. And as to JIT - you're spot on. Originating from manufacturing but now completely the same approach in sales process.

Of course, but conspiracy theories are so emotionally satisfying!

Totally agree. Thanks mods. You can put someone on an ignore list, but their posts are commonly quoted and hashed about. And as you aptly say, it sucks the oxygen out of the conversations.

This said, can a moderator comment as to the reason for the ban? We may have been hoping for this for quite some time, but I didn't see anything that I would have expected to be a "last straw" post. Was it just a slow build-up until you couldn't stand it any longer?

Also, speaking of iGenius' employment status, take a quick peek at his list of posts (http://forums.appleinsider.com/searc...d=331580&pp=25). He woke up early this morning and was posting continuously from 4:30am until 10:12am, a total of 48 posts! That's an awful lot of negativity for one person! Unless he is employed to troll, which is a bit of a stretch, but come on...

Yes - holding back when there is a big demand makes no sense at all.

Best news I've read here in weeks. Thank you mods!

This is certainly true for many of us. In some ways iPad disappoints but what will keep me away for awhile is the lack of solid info on the device and first hand usage experience. In other words I want to get my hands on one for a test drive.

The lack of info is another issue altogether. Here my concerns are with the unpublished info, such as RAM size and A4 specifics. The allocation of RAM is especially important because it will functionally limit apps and the potential for multi tasking. At a minimum I'm hoping for 512 Meg but 1GB would be better. Hopefully the beans will soon be spilled here because to little RAM would be a crying shame. A4 is more of a curiosity than anything but even here understanding exactly what you are getting can go a long ways to defining just what software will run on iPad.

Being a careful and conservative shopper has nothing to do with the economy. Besides the economy isn't that bad. What is bad is people thinking it is so bad that a $500 purchase is out of the question. Think like that just creates a downward economic spiral.

$630 plus tax if you pay tax. That is shaving things a bit close of course but it is basically chump change. The bad part is that the low end model is an incredibly bad deal in my mind. The reason for that is that apps will be even more useful on iPad so a greater portion of your Flash space will go to filing those apps. This will of course lead to far less room for media.

Interestingly though the low end model can and likely will be popular with businesses. No 3G and enough flash for core business uses will be compelling.

As you can see I'm conflicted here, but i really have this fear that this is a very Rev A version of the iPad. Admittedly it has it's appeal but it the lingering thought that there might good reason to hold off is there.


Dave

Looks like you goofed again.

Why do you need to see it? I'd like to leave it a little uncertain, and leave it up to the discretion of the folks who own, run, and moderate this site. Sort of, like, the Fed and the way it conducts monetary policy....... can't reveal everything, y'know......

Otoh.... yes, there is that rubbernecking aspect of this that is inviting.... you're right....

Bought mine ... err, reserved the company the 16GB WiFi one for development.

Sure, I have to drive across the US border to pick it up, but then I'll have it for myself for the April 3rd weekend before having to relinquish it to the other developers Monday morning. Three weeks or so later, when I'm sure my "since 1978-techno-Apple-lust" will be even stronger, I'll run down to YYZ and pick up my own 64GB.

Best of both worlds.

PS. There was no problem using my usual Canadian AppleID to reserve one, and my confirmation email came within minutes. I know I couldn't buy one online right now though via the US Store as a Canuck.

Hotcakes

I don't think it was over a single post. If your posts prevent any meaningful conversation from happening in virtually all threads you post in, you are acting in a manner that is disruptive to the forum community and the mods have to do something about it. Even if you are "playing by the rules".

So, if they have only 200,000 and they're going at a rate of 25,000 per hour, then they should be sold out ... right about ... now.

It cracks me up that even though he's banned, we're still kinda talking about him.
Now, to go preorder my iPad.

You can throttle user posts in VB. The mods maybe should have tried that first. Unless the post that got him banned was deleted and we don't know what was the last straw.

I just wonder how long the lines are going to be at the Apple stores in major cities? (For people that reserved the iPad) If they have the line outside, I pray for good weather.

Another insanely great idea by Jobs and company that prevents Apple from moving into the business sector.

im going to pick mine up at an apple store inside a Mall.

I have zero sympathy for iGenius. I assume you mean there's a way to cap the rate at which he posts at, maybe they should have tried that, but I'm fine with them temp banning (I'm assuming it is temporary) someone as disruptive as him. If he did post something really offensive I'd expect it to be removed and us not see it.

Forum use is a privilege, not a right and quite honestly the mods don't need any reason at all to prevent you from posting. Although I doubt many people would participate in an environment where people were banned based on the whims of a moderator.


Yeah, just further proof of how disruptive he was. Quite the successful troll. I'm done talking about it now though.

Interesting.
Remember that Canada didn't have the iPhone until a year or so after it was released. Wonder if the iTab will be the same way with the 3G model?

Apple is saying all models will be available in late April, so that shouldn't be the case.

I realize continuing to talk about it only feeds him/her, but I just want to point out the major hijack of the thread where he continued to talk about the relative numbers of iPhone sold, stagnation, Google surge, blah, blah, blah.

It was quite annoying to have people feed him/her and join in, post after post and detract away from the actual thread. We gotta be better disciplined when it comes to posters such as this.

Hey, I admit I got sucked in yesterday (or the day before) into the whole 4:3 argument and the stagnation argument. Sometimes, you just can't help yourself even though you know you should just ignore the offender. Initially anyway, it seemed like a decent debate but spiraled out of control pretty quickly. You're absolutely right, we have to be better disciplined to avoid such situations. Resist the knee-jerk rubber-neck response.

Yep... it's wrong and nobody should do it yet each and every time there's and accident on one side of the highway the unaffected side slows to crawl. Or you can compare it to those shows where people are videotaped doing some crazy stunt that ends up really hurting them.. You know you shouldn't be watching this as form of entertainment and yet those shows have a big following...

cos we got better things to do. that's why.