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Apple should just give users the ability to change the default search engine from Google to something else on Safari and provide several different choices for people to choose from.
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Why not? Google has no qualms about competing with Apple in the mobile device front, so why should Apple keep the gloves on when it involves search engines?
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Originally Posted by ilogic View Post

Google doesn't do anything great except search, everything else is underbaked, never will innovate on Apple's level - another copycat. Premium quality will always trump freeware. The fact that Apple looks at Microsoft as an option for search shows that Apple has a special kind of confidence in its own ability to innovate. Remarkable!


Definitely agree.


Google is a one-hit wonder. they're good at search (and maybe mail). but other than that their products are 2nd-rate half-baked wannabes.

And steve is right when he said google was evil.

Google has censored search results in China for FOUR YEARS.

Google's mantra seems to be "don't do evil. unless it involves money".
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Originally Posted by k2director View Post

I hope Apple cleans Google's clock on this. Android is a direct copy of the iPhone, with a few tweaks.

Goggle has never once innovated. They betrayed Steve. Worst of all, they hurt his feelings. Google is the most evil.
post #45 of 345
1) Google pulling out of China

2) MS + Yahoo alliance

3) Apple choosing Bing as the default search engine for safari/iphone/ipads



Google's global market share is going to go down. and together with that, their stock price.


bye bye Google.
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Originally Posted by rtamesis View Post

Why not? Google has no qualms about competing with Apple in the mobile device front, so why should Apple keep the gloves on when it involves search engines?

Apple should make a search engine that kills google. It would serve them right.
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Originally Posted by Leithal View Post

How about http://www.mahalo.com/ ?

It's more interesting the cuil.

I wonder what Jason Calacanis would say to an offer from Steve Jobs?

I'll take the next generation search engine by the original designers who made Google what it became over Mahalo, if I had to choose.

http://www.cuil.com/info/management/
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

1) MS and Google were writing programs for Macs when their marketshare was much, much lower. And since the market has grown the number of Mac sales and their installed base is more than sufficient to be worth of support.

2) Your changing up your argument now. Your previous suggestion made no mention of Macs or it being an issue of low Mac marketshare, but of MS and Google not writing any SW for Apple.

3) It's foolish to think that publicly traded companies will choose to make less money because of some argument. These company can work together and fight at the same time. They are multi-faceted and complex structures with a simple goal: make money.

4) Just the other week a popular gaming company announced they are porting their popular gaming engine to OS X. Maybe they'll use it for the iPhone OS, but it really doesn't matter as games aren't exactly a good argument against Mac development as a whole as Apple has never supported games well in HW and SW.

While Mac may be increasing in the market today. By arguing over patents makes Apple look childish and weak. If they allowed their patents open for other companies to use, then they could still make money off of them. While Mac is popular for its inventions and ingenuity, they are kept versatile through MS and Google. If Jobs plans to remove Flash, fine. If Jobs plans to remove FoxFire, fine. But when you piss off MS and Google they will just try even harder to make items on the market that prove better then Apple has all together. Hard to believe I know, but just imagine.
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"Make no mistake; Google wants to kill the iPhone. We won't let them"

Why does compete have to mean 'kill'?

This sounds more like irrational paranoia than anything else... \
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Originally Posted by RussellSakay View Post

While Mac may be increasing in the market today. By arguing over patents makes Apple look childish and weak. If they allowed their patents open for other companies to use, then they could still make money off of them.

So let me get this straight. You do think companies should spend money obtaining patents, but when it comes to owning them you don't think they should not protect them? Seriously?

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If Jobs plans to remove Flash, fine. If Jobs plans to remove FoxFire, fine.

Jobs or Apple has made no statement or move to remove Flash. It comes pre-installed on every single Mac.

I have no idea what your removal of Firefox statement is on about and everything else you wrote has already been addressed in an earlier post.
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post #51 of 345
Lots of hyperventilation here. Unnecessary, in my view.

This is a great battle, and one that Apple is poised to win in the long run. Why? Four reasons:

1) Unlike Apple, Google has no clue regarding hardware. Apple creates a cohesive hardware/software system that Google can never match (and will cost them a lot to try and match).

2) Along the same lines, selling a physical product involves a lot of understanding of different elements the value chain that Google simply has no clue on: dealing with parts suppliers, inbound and outbound logistics, quality control, dealing with wholesalers and retailers an own retail outfits, customer service, warranties, dealing with environmental/emissions issues, and on and on. Google has absolutely no grasp of any of these. They will discover that it is somewhat complicated.

3) Google is heavily dependent on ads for a living and to be able to disrupt a market (that is how they are able to subsidize free email, free GPS, free news, free video). Advertising is a fickle business. It is a market that will come and go in cycles, lurching across different media, different platforms, different brand names, all depending on what is 'du-jour' (newspapers one day, TV next, online after that, maybe social networking after that etc etc).

4) Google is in an awkward position of competing with just about everyone they also collaborate with, in almost every sphere of activity -- basically, their partners in one sphere (say, Mobile OS) are competitors in another (mobile phones). This is not only a schizophrenic way to make a living, but soon, many of their collaborators/competitors will start to tread very wearily.

Bottom line: Google's business model has a soft underbelly in the long run. (This also perhaps explains why they seem to be constantly lurching from one product to another, throwing lots of things at the wall, hoping that something will stick. It is a very scattered, unfocussed, and haphazard strategy, in my view).
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

So let me get this straight. You do think companies should spend money obtaining patents, but when it comes to owning them you don't think they should not protect them? Seriously?


Jobs or Apple has made no statement or move to remove Flash. It comes pre-installed on every single Mac.

I have no idea what your removal of Firefox statement is on about and everything else you wrote has already been addressed in an earlier post.

They should protect them of course! However making the patents open to the market like shareware would perhaps solve a lot of their problems. If MS uses one of Apple's patents and improves on it, great! Then it would be the same goes for MS if Apple uses that patent instead. I like the open market patent share idea, it allows for people like you or me to take an idea and improve on it without any legal problems.

iPad uses only Safari, that is why the comment about FireFox.
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Originally Posted by RussellSakay View Post

They should protect them of course! However making the patents open to the market like shareware would perhaps solve a lot of their problems. If MS uses one of Apple's patents and improves on it, great! Then it would be the same goes for MS if Apple uses that patent instead. I like the open market patent share idea, it allows for people like you or me to take an idea and improve on it without any legal problems.

What is the point of patents if you aren't going to protect them? The whole point of a patents, copyrights and trademarks are to protect your IP, which occasionally means having to sue others who violate it. Apple has lost to others when it was deemed they were in violation of patent use. Should these smaller companies also have open patents that they can only share, but not profit from?

Apple does invent/write protocols, SW and HW that is submits to standards bodies. Same goes for Google for MS, but make no mistake these are done to further their profits. One of the latest from Apple is HTTP Live Streaming currently used in OS X.
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post #55 of 345
I am a big fan of Google Voice... I will be getting iPhone this Summer, and I'd like to have GV on it as an installed app, not browser based as is the case now, if I understand that correctly...

I have been giving out my GV Ph# to a lot of people as my Main #. If Apple creates a similar App, or better yet, includes that App as part of their Mobile Me, I'd be interested, but... I doubt that I'll be able port - transfer - carry over my GV Ph# to that "Apple Voice", unless FCC orders Google, Apple to open those doors, so that all Ph## are PORTABLE!

Thus, in all this argument, GV is a big concern for me...

In earlier Comments, it was mentioned that Larry and Sergei considered Jobs to be their mentor, and the implication was that if only it was possible to take Eric Schmidt out of that whole picture, things would return to normal, back to good old days of love fest between Apple and Google... I'd love that to be that simple, and possible, but I doubt it... I don't think Google will ever get out of their Android OS. Hopefully Windows Mobilie will bloody Android enough, so that iPhone stands alone, unopposed... Palm is not much of a concern, if any...

But, until there is something better than GV, and preferably Free, or included in Mobile me, with Ph# Portability, this Apple - Google War is a concern for me...

On one hand, I understand that Google didn't want to ignore phones, on other hand, it seems like more about Greed... The could have kept making more $$$ and been a solid ally of Apples, but their ego led them into phones, and now they can't make U-Turn, cause that would make them look like a punished child, as opposed to All Mighty Monstrosity...

For me, going from GV to ATT and Landline Voicemail combo will probably feel like a step down... Also, it'd be a nightmare trying to download all my GV Voicemails, never mind Text Transcripts... We'll see how this all plays out... I doubt that this Apple - Google tension is Good Cop - Bad Cop con, diversion too fool MSFT..., and that behind scenes Apple - Google are laughing buddy buddies.. That would be too much of a Conspiracy Theory..., not to say that I wouldn't mind it to be true, but I doubt it is...

The Other BIG CONCERN is Google crippling Apple on YouTube! How in the world can Apple fight that, when the whole world seems to be MOSTLY on YouTube?

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The Other BIG CONCERN is Google crippling Apple on YouTube! How in the world can Apple fight that, when the whole world seems to be MOSTLY on YouTube?

¿Que?
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Originally Posted by rtamesis View Post

Apple should just give users the ability to change the default search engine from Google to something else on Safari and provide several different choices for people to choose from.


You mean like what Firefox does? Gives you a choice?

Oh no, you can't have that, not with the corporate bickering going on.


Even if Apple gave us a choice, Yahoo is in bed deep with Microsoft, Bing is Microsoft's too and any other search Microsoft could buy they would.

Google is taking Microsoft's share of the smart phone market that Apple doesn't want.


With Apple buying those ad agencies or whatever, with the NC data center going up, I suspect Apple could be copying Google's search/ad system and make it standard on all their hardware somehow.

Apple might be doing something like, "it's our customers and you got to pay us to reach them"
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Originally Posted by k2director View Post

Apple does a truly usable software keyboard, and suddenly Google has one.
Apple introduces the iPad, and a few days later: tada, here's Google showing off its concept of a tablet.

Apple uses a keyboard different than QWERTY?

Wasn't the Android Tablet revealed prior to the iPad?
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Originally Posted by RussellSakay View Post

iPad uses only Safari, that is why the comment about FireFox.

Apple doesn't let any interpreted code in apps. There are ways around this by rendering a page on a server and then send the much smaller data to your app. Opera and Skyfire have apps on other platforms with this ability.

Of course, this doesn't help those who want Gecko on their iPhone, butI have to wonder why you want the Gecko engine over the faster WebKit, especially when Mozilla has just release Firefox Mobile for Maemo and they don't even have it for Android so it's silly to think that it's even an option being held back by Apple.

Also, iPhone OS doesn't have to only use Safari, you can make your browser as wish so long as it uses the WebKit framework. There are plenty of browsers available on the App Store that do many different things, and many apps that have browsers built in so you don't have to leave the app to use the "web".
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post #60 of 345
The embrace of Steve Balmer? That's just gross.
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Originally Posted by macologist:

The Other BIG CONCERN is Google crippling Apple on YouTube! How in the world can Apple fight that, when the whole world seems to be MOSTLY on YouTube?

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¿Que?

Yes, I meant it as a question... And while at it, almost the same with Gmail... It seems like as far as Free Web Mail, it's mainly between Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail.... Probably in that order, but I don't now what that Market Share Pie Chart looks like... Mobile me is probably tiny slice on there, right?

Hope these YouTube and Gmail Qs are addressed here... I am really curious...

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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

He is. Lord Jobs' genius is equally matched by his baggage. Great with ideas, not so great dealing with others.

And you know this because you have worked with him, right?
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

My bet is on Cuil.

My bet is that no search provider with a name nobody can pronounce or spell will ever succeed in the market.

Any takers?

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Really, Google wants to control information, and how to deliver it.

I don't think so. Google is an advertising company. Everything else they've ever done has lost money in significant amounts. It's kinda like how Apple keeps the iTunes store going to sell iPods and iPhones. Though I don't think iTunes loses very much; I think I read that it's more or less a break-even proposition. Still, Apple does it to enable one of their two core businesses, just as Google does everything it does to enable its core business.

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Then again... what is that data-center in NC gonna be used for?

I don't think one should underestimate just how much data Apple has to churn through on a day-to-day basis. There's the movie trailer site (which serves up a jaw-dropping number of bytes, and extremely quickly), there's obviously iTunes, there's Mobile Me and all its bits and pieces, there's the Apple online store (which is admittedly probably weak tea by comparison). Apple has several really amazingly reliable online services, and I wouldn't be surprised if their data centers exist to support those, rather than to do anything new and dramatic.

Though I could be wrong. I think it'd be really neat if, for example, a future upgrade to Mobile Me included Time Machine backups over the Internet. The challenge there is the last-mile problem, though. It takes long enough to do a fresh backup of my MacBook Pro to my AirDisk over wireless; I can't imagine how many days it would take to shove all those bytes up my Internet connection.

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If Google someday found a good way to sensibly offer their services to the average non-techie consumer

Yeah, and if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. Seriously, Apple's position in the market is secure for the foreseeable future. I know those are famous last words, but Apple's got an easy five-year head start. Not only does Apple build devices that work for the average person in ways nobody else does, but they've also got this massive degree of brand recognition in the public. There are Apple retail stores all over the place, "iPhone" is fast becoming synonymous with "handheld communications device" the way "iPod" did with "portable music device," and the iPad announcement made the front pages of the New York Times, LA Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal and USA Today. That's not the sort of thing that can be lost overnight to an advertising company that wants to break into the gadget business.

The next big sea change in technology in general is the opening up of the market to the general consumer. For the better part of thirty years, computers and the Internet were the exclusive domain of the hobbyist. It started at the Homebrew Computer Club and grew, but the core remained highly technical and simply beyond the reach of the average person not because you had to be a super-genius to get into it, but because it required an investment of time that most people simply weren't interested in making. It's only been in the past decade (more or less) that that's begun to change, and now we're starting to see a push toward selling technology to people who have no interest in technology at all. The iPad's just the beginning; I bet Apple has some really interesting things locked up in their R&D labs that well, that would bore the hell out of the average computer geek. Because they're not meant for them.

I'd argue and I'm not 100-percent sure I'm right about this, but I think I am *that Apple has a bigger lead over the rest of the industry now than it's ever had before, going all the way back to the beginning. The Macintosh was clearly ahead of its time, a quantum leap beyond anything else. They didn't maintain that lead, though, and paid the price for it in the early 90s. Mac OS X is, technologically, a quantum leap beyond either Windows or (ha) Linux, but the pace of advancement there is slowing as the product becomes more, for lack of a better word, perfected. The iPhone was a quantum leap ahead of what we once quaintly called "smartphones" but now just call "phones," and what Apple doesn't want to happen is for their competitors to stomp all over Apple's patents in an effort to close that gap.

The Times story makes it sound personal, and that's fair. We are talking about people after all, Jobs chief among them. But at the same time, this isn't Don Quixote out there tilting at windmills. Apple has a quantitative and qualitative head start on the rest of the industry. They're the first ones to break into the fourth wave of information technology (computing in general, business computing, personal computing and now transparent computing), and no, I really don't think that head start is a fragile thing that Google can surmount by the concerted application of brainpower. It requires a different kind of thinking than what Google is experienced at. And sure, maybe they'll adapt, in five or ten years. Or maybe they'll pull a Microsoft and make attempt after attempt to crack the broader market, failing catastrophically every single time, but sustained by their core business so they can stay alive and keep trying.

Jobs was famously quoted as saying, back in the 90s I think it was, that Microsoft has no taste. He wasn't being insulting when he said it; he was just stating the fact as he saw it. Microsoft has technical acumen and business acumen but no taste. No ability to distinguish between something that's revolutionary and something that sucks. Google is largely in the same place. They're brilliant, and their sheer size and momentum have allowed them to accomplish a lot in a very short time remember, Google only became a publicly traded company in 2004! But as a company, as a brand, they have no taste. Google Wave and Google Buzz aren't the kind of missteps that a company like Apple would make. Apple's corporate culture is such that half-baked ideas like those would never make it out of the lab, much less out of the building.

The difference, culturally, between Google and Microsoft, though, is going to be defined by what happens in the next four or five years. By the end of its first decade, will Google have found a sense of taste? Or will they still be pouring money onto their research efforts like a backyard chef pouring lighter fluid onto his barbecue, hoping something catches fire?

I dunno. All I do know is this: In four or five years, Apple will have released at least one product that will make the iPod, iPhone and iPad look quaint. Apple's not gonna stand still while the company's lawyers fight like bulldogs over who infringed on whose intellectual property. They're going to continue to surge ahead, building on that five-year headstart.

I for one am pretty interested to see what they come up with.
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Apple uses a keyboard different than QWERTY?

Wasn't the Android Tablet revealed prior to the iPad?

Yes...

There have been several Android-based tablet/slate devices on the market for quite some time now.

Example: I utilize an Archos 5 IT/Android at least a few times a week, and have been for about 5 months now (long before any 'official' evidence of Apple's iPad even existed)
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That's hilarious. I think Steve has the upper hand with his "Giant-Crane-with-Dual-iPad-smack-to-the-head" move.
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Considering that Apple stole the gui idea for the Mac from Xerox PARC, I don't think that he should now complain that others steal ideas from Apple! This is the tech world. Every company steals ideas from everybody else. Manufacturers will provide what people want, even if it is a similar product.
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Yes, I meant it as a question... And while at it, almost the same with Gmail... It seems like as far as Free Web Mail, it's mainly between Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail.... Probably in that order, but I don't now what that Market Share Pie Chart looks like... Mobile me is probably tiny slice on there, right?

Hope these YouTube and Gmail Qs are addressed here... I am really curious...

That is what I Don't get. What is there to fight? YouTube doesn't hurt Apple's business in any way. I don't see Apple offering a competing free video upload service like YouTube. I don't get your concern.
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You know I was just thinking the same thing, Steve would have learned from the betrayal of Bill Gates. Steve should follow Triple H "Don't trust anyone".

In what way was Steve betrayed by Bill Gates?

Just curious, being unable to think of any instance.
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Considering that Apple stole the gui idea for the Mac from Xerox PARC, I don't think that he should now complain that others steal ideas from Apple! This is the tech world. Every company steals ideas from everybody else. Manufacturers will provide what people want, even if it is a similar product.


I am pretty sure What Apple did like 50 years ago with or without Zerox's approval has nothing to so with Google stealing Apple's touch screen technology. Your stretching just a little.
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"We did not enter the search business. They entered the phone business"

Only because you didn't let them run their little applications (natively) on your toy. Without google search, youtube, maps, etc, iPhone wouldn't be even close to a great product that it is today. But Apple would allow only those Google applications that serve their purpose and tried to block others, that would serve Google to extend their mobile search market share.

Apple didn't enter search business (yet) only because Google "stole" them AdMob before their nose. Obviously Jobs doesn't know how to lose in business and now he tries to make this personal. If Google didn't push Android OS and Nexus phone, in 5 years they would be an irrelevant mobile search company. They played all this almost perfectly, so I guess you could say that they were "evil". I think Jobs' "personalization" of this will hurt Apple in years to come. Maybe it's time to thank him for his service to Apple??
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Considering that Apple stole the gui idea for the Mac from Xerox PARC, I don't think that he should now complain that others steal ideas from Apple! This is the tech world. Every company steals ideas from everybody else. Manufacturers will provide what people want, even if it is a similar product.

You know, it's actually astonishing how this bit of urban myth gets endlessly recycled. Pretty reliably, if someone in a mood to dis Apple knows nothing else about the platform, they've heard tell that Apple "stole" the GUI from PARC, and are happy to repeat it as if we've never come across that particular gem.

Do they have schools somewhere? Is it handed down from father to son?
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"We did not enter the search business. They entered the phone business"

Only because you didn't let them run their little applications (natively) on your toy. Without google search, youtube, maps, etc, iPhone wouldn't be even close to a great product that it is today. But Apple would allow only those Google applications that serve their purpose and tried to block others, that would serve Google to extend their mobile search market share.

Apple didn't enter search business (yet) only because Google "stole" them AdMob before their nose. Obviously Jobs doesn't know how to lose in business and now he tries to make this personal. If Google didn't push Android OS and Nexus phone, in 5 years they would be an irrelevant mobile search company. They played all this almost perfectly, so I guess you could say that they were "evil". I think Jobs' "personalization" of this will hurt Apple in years to come. Maybe it's time to thank him for his service to Apple??

Or, Google has fucked up massively by alienating the owners of one of the biggest mobile OSes out there, at a time when mobile is poised to become the dominant platform, at a time when that OS is showing nothing but sustained and rapid growth.
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Do they have schools somewhere? Is it handed down from father to son?

More like grandfather to grandson, at this point.
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Please don't talk about the "embrace of Steve Ballmer and Microsoft" - it's really creepy.
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Originally Posted by k2director View Post

I hope Apple cleans Google's clock on this. Android is a direct copy of the iPhone, with a few tweaks.

Apple does a truly usable software keyboard, and suddenly Google has one.
Apple does an app store, and then, oh look, Google introduces one (an utterly crappy one at that).
Apple does multitouch, and wow, here's Google with multitouch.
Apple introduces the iPad, and a few days later: tada, here's Google showing off its concept of a tablet.

Google's only saving grace is that it gives its OS away for free to a bunch of second-tier companies who can't do the heavy lifting themselves. But Google's not bringing anything truly new or revolutionary to the table, and they don't deserve to be recognized as leaders in this particular space...


Schmidt is a freaking weasel and I hope Apple drills him and Google a new a--hole.
Google is officially on my sh*t list. Apple should drop Google for Bing in all devices running Safari. They should drop the Google map backend as well. Just get rid of these crooks.

Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by easy288 View Post

Considering that Apple stole the gui idea for the Mac from Xerox PARC, I don't think that he should now complain that others steal ideas from Apple! This is the tech world. Every company steals ideas from everybody else. Manufacturers will provide what people want, even if it is a similar product.

How people can keep repeating this drivel is beyond me. Jobs asked Xerox if he and Wozniak could use the ideas, and Xerox happily let them. That's not stealing.

And oh by the way, Xerox didn't know what to do with the ideas - they had no clue about adapting the GUI into an actual product. Kind of like Bill Gates, who famously said that people would never use a mouse to control a computer.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Apple should be scared of Google.

If Google someday found a good way to sensibly offer their services to the average non-techie consumer, they could easily take over from all the other online service providers. Apple's services on the other hand look good and work well, but they just don't offer what people actually want. It seems to me that while it's possible for Google to somehow acquire design "chops" and to get better at PR and customer support, I don't think Apple will ever figure out the "social side" of the Internet.

Wonder if Google becomes the only online service provider that also controls the portal devices they might end up like AT&T. The Feds broke up AT&T since they controlled almost all of the lines and produced most of the phones.
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Originally Posted by k2director View Post

I hope Apple cleans Google's clock on this. Android is a direct copy of the iPhone, with a few tweaks.

Apple does a truly usable software keyboard, and suddenly Google has one.
Apple does an app store, and then, oh look, Google introduces one (an utterly crappy one at that).
Apple does multitouch, and wow, here's Google with multitouch.
Apple introduces the iPad, and a few days later: tada, here's Google showing off its concept of a tablet.

Google's only saving grace is that it gives its OS away for free to a bunch of second-tier companies who can't do the heavy lifting themselves. But Google's not bringing anything truly new or revolutionary to the table, and they don't deserve to be recognized as leaders in this particular space...

Maybe this is one of the reasons why Apple is defending their patents?
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

In what way was Steve betrayed by Bill Gates?

Just curious, being unable to think of any instance.

There's a big history there, at least of Microsoft screwing Apple. One instance is QuickTime. When it was first developed, it was far ahead of any other computer media player. Apple sent Microsoft the code to QuickTime so that the Microsoft OS could interact with it, under strict conditions. Gates then took the code (stole it), copied it into Windows Media Player, and did everything he could to kill QuickTime, including threatening to bankrupt Apple if Apple continued to develop QuickTime for Windows.
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