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Right-wing 'thought' a mental illness? It has long been known that it does not involve 'thought' in any recognizable sense of the word but apart from individual right-wingers who have managed to seize power and enact their disorders on the world stage (Hitler, Mussolini, Genghis Khan, Bush...) merely believing in such ideas has been regarded as a mild eccentricity to be humoured.

Unfortunately this is no longer possible.

An increasingly concerned number of health professionals and objective observers are starting to believe that it might indeed be a hitherto undiscovered sociopathic condition.... what was once merely a political position has now transmogrified into something more worrying and more indicative of a neurological disfunction akin to a species of manic depression or some other as yet uncategorized disorder.

Concerned by the accumulating evidence and being an objective observer I decided to conduct my own research - and where better than our own petri dish here at AI which seems to breed or attract such symptoms to an alarming degree.

The first port of call I made was to choose at random an well-known and widespread insane belief: that God created the universe 10,000 years ago (note: the results may be skewed upwards as many right-wingers are literalists and believe it was 4000). Here is a statistical representation of a Gallup Poll:



Source: Gallup Website

As you can see, 60% of Republicans hold this belief which is indistinguishable from similar delusions we know from the annals of psychiatry.

Moreover, only 4% accept evolutionary theory.

Moving on to Politics - an area which one might expect be subject to more rational analysis. Unfortunately the statistics again - shockingly - dash this hope:
  1. 63 percent of Republicans believe Obama is a socialist
  2. 39 percent think Obama should be impeached
  3. 24 percent said Obama wants the terrorists to win
  4. 31 percent agreed with the statement that Obama is a racist who hates white people.
  5. 36 percent of respondents do not believe the president was born in the US
  6. 73 percent said openly gay men and women should not be allowed to teach in public schools.
  7. 23 percent, want their state to secede from the union.

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And yet again - a common theme emerges in this Poll:

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67 percent believe the only way to get to heaven is through Jesus Christ.

The study of this disorder is now in its infancy although it seems that it bears disturbing similarities to an existing psychological imbalance: True Believer Syndrome.

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One other type of true believer is described by Eric Hoffer in his book The True Believer. This type of person is irrationally committed to a cause like terrorist attacks on civilians, murdering doctors who perform abortions, or following a guru like Jim Jones even to the point of murder or suicide.

One possible explanation for true-believer syndrome is that the belief satisfies an emotional need that is stronger than any other emotional need. Why some people have such a strong emotional need to believe in something that rational people recognize as false is perhaps unanswerable, but it is clear that the kind of beliefs we are discussing here are based on emotions and feelings, not reason and evidence.

The similarities are marked but health professionals are now facing the terrifying possibility that the current right-wing version of 'True Believer Syndrome' has metastasized into a form of 'mental virus' which may be communicable and highly contagious unless one is properly innoculated or has otherwise contracted some form of immunity.
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5/10

I partially raged

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Looking at those numbers, I'm horrified by the response of the Democrats and Independents as well. Should the question be, "Is being American prone to mental disorder?"
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merely believing in such ideas has been regarded as a mild eccentricity to be humoured.

Unfortunately this is no longer possible.

Sounds like someone is getting ready for a possible shooting rampage. After declaring those in disagreement with him to be sub-human, I'm sure that euthanizing them won't be too much of a stretch. It likely explains the move away from government like that of the U.K. that could stop such actions.

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Sounds like someone is getting ready for a possible shooting rampage. After declaring those in disagreement with him to be sub-human, I'm sure that euthanizing them won't be too much of a stretch. It likely explains the move away from government like that of the U.K. that could stop such actions.

Wtf????
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Is this the new ad hominem? Declaring that people who don't hold the views you think they should have a mental disorder? Sheesh. \

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Is this the new ad hominem? Declaring that people who don't hold the views you think they should have a mental disorder? Sheesh. \

Do you think that there is such a thing as a mental disorder?

Do you think some people have one? Or do you mean that you don't disagree with the disorders?

Kind of proves the point if it's the latter and if it's the former then it kind of suggests you are describing your own views in the reply no?
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Wtf????

Mirrors the response I had for your OP... Your inability to see your own prejudices have made you completely barking mad in your posts... WTF indeed...

Sarcasm and all intended....
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Is this the new ad hominem? Declaring that people who don't hold the views you think they should have a mental disorder? Sheesh. \

Don't get out much? ALL "right thinking" people agree with him.

Of course, being that one must humor the insane, perhaps he just THINKS they all think the same way he does...

Food for thought.
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Do you think that there is such a thing as a mental disorder?

Do you think some people have one? Or do you mean that you don't disagree with the disorders?

Kind of proves the point if it's the latter and if it's the former then it kind of suggests you are describing your own views in the reply no?

I think there is such a thing as dehumanizing or marginalizing those you disagree with so as to make it easier to remove them from your way. Whatever method you use is your choice. It is plain to see what yours is.
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Is this the new ad hominem? Declaring that people who don't hold the views you think they should have a mental disorder? Sheesh. \

May I point out the the difference between "declaring" and "asking"? Perhaps you missed the interrogative "Is" at the beginning, and question mark at the end, of the thread title.

It's not like there is a book with that title or anything....
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I think there is such a thing as dehumanizing or marginalizing those you disagree with so as to make it easier to remove them from your way. Whatever method you use is your choice. It is plain to see what yours is.

It is strange to see something very odd in action here...

If a poster posts something denigrating to the Right then hordes of right-wingers crawl out of the woodwork to defend themselves.... always the same faces. The one notable rational exception who does not need to 'man the barricades' seems to be SDW....

This can only be that they feel themselves so identified with the caricature (this is in itself of great concern - none of them deny the rabidness of their views..they just object to people pointing it out from the Left) that it undermines their stability.

Look at it from the other point of view: every day here 'the Left' are lambasted in a series of absurd and reductionist non sequiturs and other superficial nonsensical assessments.

Hardly ever do any of 'the Left' feel the need to rush to panic stations and mount a defence.

From my pov - and I would say I do hold the somewhat extreme left-wing view in some regards - I just laugh.....I never feel the need to defend 'the Left' or take any of it as a personal attack....it's just what wingers do...it's their thing. It can even be hilarious and uplifting at times. One would worry if they were not sniping.

So why is this? Why are they so insecure?

Surely such insecurity IS by definition a mental imbalance? I'm not trying to attack anyone...I just want to understand the mechanism...it's fascinating....

Or is it just that those of us on the Left are super-balanced and of above normal in terms of psychological integration?
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May I point out the the difference between "declaring" and "asking"? Perhaps you missed the interrogative "Is" at the beginning, and question mark at the end, of the thread title.

Forgive me then. He's just asking. Got it.

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It is strange to see something very odd in action here...

If a poster posts something denigrating to the Right then hordes of right-wingers crawl out of the woodwork to defend themselves.... always the same faces. The one notable rational exception who does not need to 'man the barricades' seems to be SDW....

This can only be that they feel themselves so identified with the caricature (this is in itself of great concern - none of them deny the rabidness of their views..they just object to people pointing it out from the Left) that it undermines their stability.

Look at it from the other point of view: every day here 'the Left' are lambasted in a series of absurd and reductionist non sequiturs and other superficial nonsensical assessments.

Hardly ever do any of 'the Left' feel the need to rush to panic stations and mount a defence.

From my pov - and I would say I do hold the somewhat extreme left-wing view in some regards - I just laugh.....I never feel the need to defend 'the Left' or take any of it as a personal attack....it's just what wingers do...it's their thing. It can even be hilarious and uplifting at times. One would worry if they were not sniping.

So why is this? Why are they so insecure?

Surely such insecurity IS by definition a mental imbalance? I'm not trying to attack anyone...I just want to understand the mechanism...it's fascinating....

Or is it just that those of us on the Left are super-balanced and of above normal in terms of psychological integration?

I love this reasoning. Priceless! Good stuff! Keep it coming, please.

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Forgive me then. He's just asking. Got it.

Yes...it's because of this I am asking....

Savage has a book that states clearly that Liberalism IS a mental disorder...Only it doesn't mean that..it means the opposite.

I ask a question... Only I don't mean that - what I mean is that it IS.

Though I ask instead. And Savage means to ask but states a definitive instead.

I got all that...that's how it works with the Right - things are their opposites. I get it. My question though is: is this not evidence of a disorder?

I mean if it is rainy and I say it is sunny then that means there's a problem right? Or is the problem if I say water is wet?

I'm just trying to understand.....
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Yes...it's because of this I am asking....

Savage has a book that states clearly that Liberalism IS a mental disorder...Only it doesn't mean that..it means the opposite.

I ask a question... Only I don't mean that - what I mean is that it IS.

Though I ask instead. And Savage means to ask but states a definitive instead.

I got all that...that's how it works with the Right - things are their opposites. I get it. My question though is: is this not evidence of a disorder?

I mean if it is rainy and I say it is sunny then that means there's a problem right? Or is the problem if I say water is wet?

I'm just trying to understand.....

Well, I can't comment on the book. Never seen or heard of it before the link above, and not being the author, editor or publisher am in no position to defend or criticize other than in a very general sense as here...the notion of attempting to demonizing those who hold views you don't think they should by saying they have a mental disorder is in poor taste to say the least.

As to this specific question, if you are genuinely asking a question then I sincerely apologize for assuming it to be rhetorical and, therefore an implication rather than a genuine question.

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It is strange to see something very odd in action here...

If a poster posts something denigrating to the Right then hordes of right-wingers crawl out of the woodwork to defend themselves.... always the same faces. The one notable rational exception who does not need to 'man the barricades' seems to be SDW....

This can only be that they feel themselves so identified with the caricature (this is in itself of great concern - none of them deny the rabidness of their views..they just object to people pointing it out from the Left) that it undermines their stability.

Look at it from the other point of view: every day here 'the Left' are lambasted in a series of absurd and reductionist non sequiturs and other superficial nonsensical assessments.

Hardly ever do any of 'the Left' feel the need to rush to panic stations and mount a defence.

From my pov - and I would say I do hold the somewhat extreme left-wing view in some regards - I just laugh.....I never feel the need to defend 'the Left' or take any of it as a personal attack....it's just what wingers do...it's their thing. It can even be hilarious and uplifting at times. One would worry if they were not sniping.

So why is this? Why are they so insecure?

Surely such insecurity IS by definition a mental imbalance? I'm not trying to attack anyone...I just want to understand the mechanism...it's fascinating....

Or is it just that those of us on the Left are super-balanced and of above normal in terms of psychological integration?

Keep up the good work sir, you should have those that you disagree with fully marginalized and on the ropes in no time.

To pretend that this is not your modus operandi is humorous to say that least. You take the opportunity to not only attack right-wing folks, but lump the illness in with Christian views, then wonder why people get worked up and feel the need to respond... Take a moment and think about what you are posting and who you are attacking with that rather broad and venomous brush of yours. You are quite intelligent, it should not be tough...
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Keep up the good work sir, you should have those that you disagree with fully marginalized and on the ropes in no time.

To pretend that this is not your modus operandi is humorous to say that least. You take the opportunity to not only attack right-wing folks, but lump the illness in with Christian views, then wonder why people get worked up and feel the need to respond... Take a moment and think about what you are posting and who you are attacking with that rather broad and venomous brush of yours. You are quite intelligent, it should not be tough...

Why can't we just discuss the statistics though? I didn't make them up...you object to my MO - fair enough...may even be lame, probably is.

But the statistics....what about those?

Can we discuss them....I genuinely find them very disturbing..
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Personally, I think that all religious people are crazy.
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Well, I can't comment on the book. Never seen or heard of it before the link above, and not being the author, editor or publisher am in no position to defend or criticize other than in a very general sense as here...the notion of attempting to demonizing those who hold views you don't think they should by saying they have a mental disorder is in poor taste to say the least.

As to this specific question, if you are genuinely asking a question then I sincerely apologize for assuming it to be rhetorical and, therefore an implication rather than a genuine question.

Go back and read his OP. Yes it opens with a question. Which he then backs up with assertions supporting the affirmative of the question. Back pedal though he may, his post and the direction he is steering the thread is clear. Then to feign getting bent out of shape when people post in a thread that is clearly intended to invoke an emotional response is another facet of his subtle hypocrisy.

Sigh, why even bother... \
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Why can't we just discuss the statistics though? I didn't make them up...you object to my MO - fair enough...may even be lame, probably is.

But the statistics....what about those?

Can we discuss them....I genuinely find them very disturbing..

Backpedal faster, you may yet bring this thread around.
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It is strange to see something very odd in action here...

If a poster posts something denigrating to the Right then hordes of right-wingers crawl out of the woodwork to defend themselves.... always the same faces. The one notable rational exception who does not need to 'man the barricades' seems to be SDW....

This can only be that they feel themselves so identified with the caricature (this is in itself of great concern - none of them deny the rabidness of their views..they just object to people pointing it out from the Left) that it undermines their stability.

Look at it from the other point of view: every day here 'the Left' are lambasted in a series of absurd and reductionist non sequiturs and other superficial nonsensical assessments.

Hardly ever do any of 'the Left' feel the need to rush to panic stations and mount a defence.

From my pov - and I would say I do hold the somewhat extreme left-wing view in some regards - I just laugh.....I never feel the need to defend 'the Left' or take any of it as a personal attack....it's just what wingers do...it's their thing. It can even be hilarious and uplifting at times. One would worry if they were not sniping.

So why is this? Why are they so insecure?

Surely such insecurity IS by definition a mental imbalance? I'm not trying to attack anyone...I just want to understand the mechanism...it's fascinating....

Or is it just that those of us on the Left are super-balanced and of above normal in terms of psychological integration?

I wasn't aware that admitting that a person is purposefully trolling is a "sign of being super-balanced and above normal in terms of psychological integration."

It's easy to understand. Since the left believes ad-homs are good reasoning, they engage in them continually and people respond to share that ad-homs are not in fact good reasoning. Since the right seldom engages in ad-hom reasoning, there is little need to redress it.

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Personally, I think that all religious people are crazy.

Or so weak that they can't use their own hearts to inspire themselves when they need strength, and must rely on a greater power to inspire them.
Or so amoral that they cannot use their own judgment to tell right from wrong, and must rely on a book and an organization to do so.
Or so evil that they see the manipulation of faith as an opportunity to profit or triumph.

Or a combination of all of the above.
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Go back and read his OP. Yes it opens with a question. Which he then backs up with assertions supporting the affirmative of the question. Back pedal though he may, his post and the direction he is steering the thread is clear. Then to feign getting bent out of shape when people post in a thread that is clearly intended to invoke an emotional response is another facet of his subtle hypocrisy.

Sigh, why even bother... \

True...the possibility of any debate or rational response is zero.... so you're right, this being a debating forum with no-one prepared to defend their position makes one wonder why one does bother.

On the plus side - I just realized why there are 99% Anti-Obama threads here: no Lefties bother to post threads because the Right cannot even argue their corner.

The only people capable of formulating a response - any response almost - are on the Left. Hence the deluge....
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Why can't we just discuss the statistics though? I didn't make them up...you object to my MO - fair enough...may even be lame, probably is.

But the statistics....what about those?

Can we discuss them....I genuinely find them very disturbing..

Making up the assertion that the statistics are purported to support is still making them up though. It is a classic non-sequitur.

Let's watch this reasoning play out.

Seg appears ready to go on a shooting spree and kill anyone he considers to the right of him in terms of politics. Here are some statitistics to support this contention.
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Look at all those wonderful statistics I have to support my point. Upon peer review, it turns out your research and reasoning are bad. Sorry old chap, try again.

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Since the right seldom engages in ad-hom reasoning, there is little need to redress it.

The parallel bizarro universe just went to 11.....

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Seg appears ready to go on a shooting spree and kill anyone he considers to the right of him in terms of politics.

This is a text-book example of what I mentioned above...

I never take offense at such things...I find them highly amusing - they kind of take the edge off the inherent threatening nature of the Right. Kind of like if Hitler stopped mid-spiel in a Munich beer-hall to talk about little green men...kind of makes the rest of it somehow less concerning (though you know deep-down it probably shouldn't).

But despite all this (was this Trumpy quote an ad-hom btw? I am never sure these days) that any Left-wing poster who dares to stick their head over the parapet has to endure I am still puzzled...

If I or any other Leftie poster had said this then I think there might be quite a few knickers in a twist. Luckily it is the preserve of the Right to come up with this sort of stuff so we can all have a laugh!

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True...the possibility of any debate or rational response is zero.... so you're right, this being a debating forum with no-one prepared to defend their position makes one wonder why one does bother.

On the plus side - I just realized why there are 99% Anti-Obama threads here: no Lefties bother to post threads because the Right cannot even argue their corner.

The only people capable of formulating a response - any response almost - are on the Left. Hence the deluge....

When the debate being put forth is not rational and is designed to place those you are debating in a position of emotional response right out of the gate it removes any moral high ground you try to prop yourself up on.
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When the debate being put forth is not rational and is designed to place those you are debating in a position of emotional response right out of the gate it removes any moral high ground you try to prop yourself up on.

Playing the Intent Game, eh?
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But despite all this (was this Trumpy quote an ad-hom btw? I am never sure these days) that any Left-wing poster who dares to stick their head over the parapet has to endure I am still puzzled...

Clearly it was not an ad-hom. The intent was obviously to be a ridiculous parallel of your fallacious argument. But you knew that...
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Playing the Intent Game, eh?

He may be, I am not sure...
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When the debate being put forth is not rational and is designed to place those you are debating in a position of emotional response right out of the gate it removes any moral high ground you try to prop yourself up on.

Why? Let's analyze this...

A poll that shows that 60% of Republicans hold a belief that the earth is 10,000 years old.

My claim is that this is tantamount to insanity.

The poll shows that this insanity is significantly higher among Right-wingers.

I don't see the problem...YOU might not want to debate it but that is because you are one of the people who believe it and therefore feel offended that I call you insane.

But what else is it?

I don't mean it personally..I'm sure you're quite nice and all....and I never singled you out or meant you specifically but if someone believes the earth is flat then this is insane right?

And surely we are allowed to say so? You can even defend your position...show us why it is a sane position...
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Clearly it was not an ad-hom. The intent was obviously to be a ridiculous parallel of your fallacious argument. But you knew that...

But my argument was itself a ridiculous parallel of what most Right-wingers offer up here as 'rational debate' - you did get that didn't you???

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He may be, I am not sure...

Sounds like you need to re-read some of Trumpt's many, many posts about The Intent Game, in light of your claims about what OP's debate "is designed" to do.
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This is a text-book example of what I mentioned above...

I never take offense at such things...I find them highly amusing - they kind of take the edge off the inherent threatening nature of the Right. Kind of like if Hitler stopped mid-spiel in a Munich beer-hall to talk about little green men...kind of makes the rest of it somehow less concerning (though you know deep-down it probably shouldn't).

But despite all this (was this Trumpy quote an ad-hom btw? I am never sure these days) that any Left-wing poster who dares to stick their head over the parapet has to endure I am still puzzled...

If I or any other Leftie poster had said this then I think there might be quite a few knickers in a twist. Luckily it is the preserve of the Right to come up with this sort of stuff so we can all have a laugh!


Why would you take offense of such things? There is nothing there to give offense and it is merely, as you note yourself, a rather humorous example. Even when you are the subject, you note (but then appear to question) that the tongue is firmly in cheek.

I replied as such because clearly the thread was meant as such. A tongue in cheek post demands a tongue in cheek reply.

So as for why the left does not respond to such posts, it appears they have no sense of humor and thus must watch humorous people on television to compensate.

BTW, perhaps you should go over the slaughter thread and have Tonton note that when he is telling everyone he is a true patriot and they are all advocating a violent overthrow of the government that he is just speaking with tongue in cheek and thus it is just an unfunny joke.

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Why? Let's analyze this...

A poll that shows that 60% of Republicans hold a belief that the earth is 10,000 years old.

My claim is that this is tantamount to insanity.

The poll shows that this insanity is significantly higher among Right-wingers.

I don't see the problem...YOU might not want to debate it but that is because you are one of the people who believe it and therefore feel offended that I call you insane.

But what else is it?

I don't mean it personally..I'm sure you're quite nice and all....and I never singled you out or meant you specifically but if someone believes the earth is flat then this is insane right?

And surely we are allowed to say so? You can even defend your position...show us why it is a sane position...

If someone holds any position that is contrary to what you believe to be scientifically proven, does that make them insane? Forget flat earth, or age of earth. Where is the line for sanity vs. insanity? Belief in God? Angels? Demons? Heaven or Hell? How about if they don't believe in atoms because they cannot see them? What if they believe that the spirit of a person is what holds their intellect and that their body is simply a shell? Where does the insanity start and end, and who gets to decide?

I think there are very clearly stated rules around sanity and insanity. Belief in a young earth is not insanity, it is a belief. Belief in evolution is not insanity, it is a belief. Choosing not to believe an assertion even when presented with irrefutable proof is not insanity either, it is stubbornness or being thick headed. Believing you are the easter bunny and that you have a calling to eat carrots and hand out eggs seems like it would be crossing that line.
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Sounds like you need to re-read some of Trumpt's many, many posts about The Intent Game, in light of your claims about what OP's debate "is designed" to do.

Trumpt has nothing to do with my post, no matter how much you would like him to.
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Playing the Intent Game, eh?

Actually no because he addresses the fact that the post itself is not rational. Since the author of the post easily admits it is a caricature, he is in fact addressing reality.

If he had said, I'm going to ignore the post and instead address why it belies a desire within you to wander around randomly dragging black people to death, THEN he would playing the intent game.

Please make sure to play in the shallow sandbox.

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But my argument was itself a ridiculous parallel of what most Right-wingers offer up here as 'rational debate' - you did get that didn't you???


It is understood that you need to hire funnier writers.

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Sounds like you need to re-read some of Trumpt's many, many posts about The Intent Game, in light of your claims about what OP's debate "is designed" to do.

The reasoning offered is sound. Caricature is not reasoning and thus does not give one an advantage in a debate based on reasoning. The point stands. In fact it stands very well.

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If someone holds any position that is contrary to what you believe to be scientifically proven, does that make them insane? Forget flat earth, or age of earth. Where is the line for sanity vs. insanity? Belief in God? Angels? Demons? Heaven or Hell? How about if they don't believe in atoms because they cannot see them? What if they believe that the spirit of a person is what holds their intellect and that their body is simply a shell? Where does the insanity start and end, and who gets to decide?

I think there are very clearly stated rules around sanity and insanity. Belief in a young earth is not insanity, it is a belief. Belief in evolution is not insanity, it is a belief. Choosing not to believe an assertion even when presented with irrefutable proof is not insanity either, it is stubbornness or being thick headed. Believing you are the easter bunny and that you have a calling to eat carrots and hand out eggs seems like it would be crossing that line.

When science has proved something then those who stubbornly refuse to accept the proof asre irrational.

If they not only refuse to accept the proof but organize to 'disprove' the Science then under those circumstances I believe a case could be made that they are suffering from a psychological imbalance.
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