Is being 'right-wing' a mental disorder? - Page 4

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

It goes against what you were saying because Jesus et al. may have wondered about it and also you are saying it doesn't matter. I think it's highly likely their intrinsically linked and you are saying that they are not linked. How can you be so sure?

B. Obama has given a speech during the national holiday that is the SuperBowl and during other important events.

He does seem to wear the same suit over and over again.

He has gone after banks, mortgage institutions, health insurance companies, and Wall Street in general.

You do know GM now stands for Government Motors, correct?

Originally Posted by segovius

Wait...there's a problem......

Jesus MUST have thought about it and actually KNOWN the truth about it if he was who you claim he was - ie God.

Because in that case he would be the person who actually made the earth with his own hands!!!!!!??????

Just as he would be the same person who committed the genocides of the Old Testament.

And he would have had the memories of all this.

Luckily though we don't have to deal with those issues because...err...well...they're insane.

Which brings us back on-topic.

Here is why it is important what religious people believe about the age of the earth, why it is relevant to this thread (and why I was right!!) and why you are wrong in saying people of that age did not care:

Because it is all about the development and progression of humanity

Where religion CONTRIBUTES to the progression and deepening of human knowledge it is a key part of our common rational human heritage.

Where it HOLDS IT BACK it is insanity as anything that holds back knowledge and progress is a from of insanity.

Some examples: the Christians who built Notre Dame knew all about the Science of architecture. Contributing to progress.

The Christians that tortured Galileo held it back keeping humanity in the Dark Ages. Insanity.

The Muslims that developed the foundations of Western Science, Medicine and Astronomy formed our present level of technology.
Contributing to progress.

The Muslims that are stopping girls going to school in Afghanistan and blowing up archaeolgical artworks are holding us back. Insanity.

And on.....

So knowing the age of the earth contributes to knowledge and moves up forward. If you think that the Roman Palestinian citizens of that time were not interested I think you project your own mindset. YOU may not be interested in Science and Progress but you are here because they WERE.

What religious fundie today could replicate the great religious discoveries of the past? Could Pat robertson build Notre Dame? I don't think so......

There's a reason for that.

Originally Posted by segovius

Wait...there's a problem......

Jesus MUST have thought about it and actually KNOWN the truth about it if he was who you claim he was - ie God.

Because in that case he would be the person who actually made the earth with his own hands!!!!!!??????

Just as he would be the same person who committed the genocides of the Old Testament.

And he would have had the memories of all this.

Luckily though we don't have to deal with those issues because...err...well...they're insane.

Which brings us back on-topic.

Here is why it is important what religious people believe about the age of the earth, why it is relevant to this thread (and why I was right!!) and why you are wrong in saying people of that age did not care:

Because it is all about the development and progression of humanity

Where religion CONTRIBUTES to the progression and deepening of human knowledge it is a key part of our common rational human heritage.

Where it HOLDS IT BACK it is insanity as anything that holds back knowledge and progress is a from of insanity.

Some examples: the Christians who built Notre Dame knew all about the Science of architecture. Contributing to progress.

The Christians that tortured Galileo held it back keeping humanity in the Dark Ages. Insanity.

The Muslims that developed the foundations of Western Science, Medicine and Astronomy formed our present level of technology.
Contributing to progress.

The Muslims that are stopping girls going to school in Afghanistan and blowing up archaeolgical artworks are holding us back. Insanity.

And on.....

So knowing the age of the earth contributes to knowledge and moves up forward. If you think that the Roman Palestinian citizens of that time were not interested I think you project your own mindset. YOU may not be interested in Science and Progress but you are here because they WERE.

What religious fundie today could replicate the great religious discoveries of the past? Could Pat robertson build Notre Dame? I don't think so......

There's a reason for that.

Originally Posted by Wormhole

very true.

Here's another one to ponder:
3 kings, heads of non-roman states, 2 white 1 black, happily ride around the roman empire for hundreds of miles and at least several weeks. They are never stopped by roman soldiers, they are not kidnapped, killed or crucified. Yeah, that really happened.
Baby Jehova must have given them an invisibility cloak or something so he could have gotten those gifts.

If Jesus lived by the Jewish law and made wine out of water he should have been arrested. Jewish law outlawed the consumption of fermented drink.

God wants us to put loads of CO2 in the air, so one day he can make the oceans into bubbly water.

God made man in his image. He was <infinity> years old at the time. This could explain the bad teeth and the dementia.

God didn't like sex so he used a bone to make (St)Eve.

The Romans had all the technology i.e. execution devices called crosses. Jesus was part of the "third" world. Christians are still fighting to keep the world that way.

Originally Posted by segovius

I don't have to...

All you need to do is to look through history and make two lists:

1) Technological advancements stemming from religion

2) Prevention of advancement and knowledge stemming from religion.

You will find that List One comprises many of the things that make Society as advanced as it is.

And you will find that List 2 comprises virtually all the things that drags Society back and hinders growth and development in all areas of life.

The casual observer will also note that it is very easy to ascribe individual religious people as well as types of belief to either category.

Robertson and US Fundie Xianity would go into group 2 for example along with Torquemada, the Pope and the monstrous legion of pervert priests that are currently running amok.

The fact that you eulogize Christ for something he was not and yet STILL seem to want to lump him into Group 2: the category of retards who range from the merely Neanderthal to the quite possibly demon-possessed or literally evil is puzzling...

I would comment but I find it chilling and don't want to think about it.

Originally Posted by segovius

None of your points have any relevance to the thread in any circumstances (or much else actually) so as they bear every relevance to the thread we ARE discussing and as I started it we'll go with my points ok...besides, they sound better!

To any other stragglers who are having trouble keeping up:

1) The discussion is "Is right-wing thought a form of insanity?"

2) We've shaded off into 'stupidity" to be more polite (Thanks Fellows)

3) We've started discussing 'Xianity' (as opposed to the teaching of the historical Jesus Christ - which are pretty much the opposite thing) as it relates to the aforementioned 'Right-wing' insanit...err...silliness.

4) We've arrived at the point where we see the following:

SOME religion is not insane or stupid at all....in fact it FURTHERS the knowledge and advancement of humanity (hoorah!)

BUT

SOME religion actively tries to eradicate advancement, to drag us back, to spread stupidity and keep people believing insane and stupid things (boooooo!)

5) Some posters have tried to imply that the second of these is the 'only truth' and that all the rest doesn't matter, that the earth being 4000 years old is sane and rational and true and that BIG GOD is a member of this second group that wants us all back in the Dark Ages...

That's where we are in our discussion of insane ideas.

Now read on......

Originally Posted by segovius

Ok..let's make a new start

Could you re-state your point so that I could address it please? Seems there is some confusion..

Originally Posted by NoahJ

I did not say it did not matter to someone. I did say that the age of the earth would not affect a persons soul. Whether a person actually believes they have a soul or not is not critical. Substitute "It does not matter to a persons spiritual well-being" in the phrase instead.

Originally Posted by segovius

Ok, firstly - this is off-topic: the point is that Christians today DO believe this and that to THEM it is of PARAMOUNT importance.

So that again interfaces with the subject under discussion re insane beliefs - because it IS an insane belief.

But what you are saying merely boils down to the same thing I am: Jesus did not hold insane beliefs. Many of his so-called followers do.

That is my position exactly. You don't seem to make the connection though.

Another point: your argument that there is no evidence for it being a concern for Jesus & Co is invalid and irrational in this context.

You will not find such evidence for many beliefs on their part.... there is no evidence that they opposed abortion for example. It's picking and choosing again.

Originally Posted by segovius

Ok, firstly - this is off-topic: the point is that Christians today DO believe this and that to THEM it is of PARAMOUNT importance.

So that again interfaces with the subject under discussion re insane beliefs - because it IS an insane belief.

But what you are saying merely boils down to the same thing I am: Jesus did not hold insane beliefs. Many of his so-called followers do.

That is my position exactly. You don't seem to make the connection though.

Another point: your argument that there is no evidence for it being a concern for Jesus & Co is invalid and irrational in this context.

You will not find such evidence for many beliefs on their part.... there is no evidence that they opposed abortion for example. It's picking and choosing again.