Originally Posted by Fellowship
Well for me at least I am not laughing when I am put down for being a Christian and / or not buying into Darwin's evolution.
It is not a matter of defense or laughing something off.
I look at these threads from the right (Trumptman) and then your thread here and I am sickened by the irrational dismissal of those who are different or hold a differing viewpoint.
It is not wise, mature, productive or helpful to put up these kinds of Trash Threads.
We all here have quite a bit of liberty and speak our minds and the best we can come up with is to act like a five year old school yard bully on the playground and dehumanize those around us who we don't like or don't agree with?
Seems a bit strong Fellows....
The first thing I would say here is that the threads are what we - that is the posters - make them. Many of Trupmpt's threads start of crap (understandably!) but contain much of use and much good debate and interesting points. Mostly from the Left obviously but it's there.
So that's the first thing: you do Trumpt (and me) and every other poster who contributes a disservice by judging their input by the thread title, premise or poster intent. That's the first problem.
In short: maybe I (or Trumpt) start questionable threads but if the content is interesting or makes debate - and YOU as a contributor are part of that process (or not) then what does it matter?
Second point: the level of debate here is really, really poor. Maybe I contribute to that, maybe Trumpt does - but you know what? I would guess that both of us could raise our game if necessary. Unfortunately it seldom is.
Third point: I don't see you contributing much these days... I don't mean in terms of volume but more in terms of actual substance. You used to be a lot better...what happened? It's down to us all to make this a better place to debate - if that's what it's about (it is for me) so I don't think anyone is covering themselves with glory here...
Fourth Point: you are objecting to my style of pointing things out. Fair enough - people don't like it, I understand that.
What I don't get though is this: that it's not about that
- it's about the points I am trying to make NOT how I make them. The real problem is that my MO gives people an excuse not to address them....but I'm not that hopeful of debate either way so it's a moot point.
I could do the fence-sitting even-handed thing like you do Fellows but it's not really my style. I would have thought (hoped) you would see through my schtick but I guess not...
Fifth Point: I don't really want to pander to people's sensitivities as I think they are ridiculous...as it happens I believe in God myself and also in a form of non-Darwinian evolution.
If some atheist (say) wants to slag me off for that then you know what? I really don't care....not only that, I can't imagine how one would...so when I trample on your sensibilities for being Christian or whatever then it's not personal..it's just that I cannot understand how anyone could possibly be offended.
Sixth point: again, we just do not address the issues. It is EXACTLY like:I don't like this fact - I am going to ignore it
If you like we can abandon this thread and I can start another one - a nicey-nice one - called "Do you think the earth is 10,000 years old and do people who do think this hold an intellectually valid position?'
But you know as well as I do that regardless of that, it wouldn't make any difference at all.
Seventh point: and this is by no means my last possible point but I will make it so...
I actually DO believe that "Right-wing thought" (btw, you do realize I have ALWAYS been talking about an ideological position don't you?) is in a way a form of mental disorder.
I truly believe that. I believe that other things are too...I even suffer from some of them. We could discuss what they are. We could discuss whether it's possible....we could discuss....
Oh, wait...no, we couldn't..... we couldn't even start.......