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Google made a phone. Has this not sunk in yet?

It was an F U, from Schmidt to Jobs. It was, "Thanks for allowing me to be a part of your success, now pardon me while I (try to) steal some to help keep my company relevant over the next few years."

If they had put that time and effort into developing software for the iPhone, or working behind the scenes to enhance the standard iPhone experience, they could have had a brighter future in the smartphone market, than running the other way toward a flop phone of their own.

Google made an OS for phones, but no, that haven't made a phone (unless you count the HTC Nexus1).

And so what if they did? Are they never supposed to ever enter a business that Apple is in? Regardless of the fact that the bought Android a full 2 years before the iPhone was released? When they heard Apple was releasing the iPhone, the should have just stopped? Are they supposed to be so enthralled with Jobs and Apple that they only ever want to hang on their nuts? Here is a hint...Appel doesn't own Google. Google is free to enter new markets, even if Apple is already there. Just as Apple entered the productivity market with iWork, though MS has been a partner (and competitor) to them for many years with Office. Same for browsers.

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post #82 of 96
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Google made a phone. Has this not sunk in yet?

It was an F U, from Schmidt to Jobs. It was, "Thanks for allowing me to be a part of your success, now pardon me while I (try to) steal some to help keep my company relevant over the next few years."

If they had put that time and effort into developing software for the iPhone, or working behind the scenes to enhance the standard iPhone experience, they could have had a brighter future in the smartphone market, than running the other way toward a flop phone of their own.

Tulkas response is pretty much what I was going to say.

And "help keep my company relevant over the next few years"? Please. Google Search has become the default search engine for pretty much the whole world. Hell "Google" is an actual verb. Do you "Bing" something or "Yahoo" something? Even if they didn't release a phone, they would be relevant for many years to come. Releasing Android is just them expanding on their own success. Extra icing on the cake, if you will.

Just remember, every time you use Google Anything, you're helping to keep them relevant.
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post #83 of 96
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If they had put that time and effort into developing software for the iPhone, or working behind the scenes to enhance the standard iPhone experience

Oh, you mean developing software for the iPhone like Google Voice, which Apple rejected? LOL
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Oh, you mean developing software for the iPhone like Google Voice, which Apple rejected? LOL

Perfect example of Google being intentionally dense morons. They knew it would be rejected long before they even decided to develop it.
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Tulkas response is pretty much what I was going to say.

And "help keep my company relevant over the next few years"? Please. Google Search has become the default search engine for pretty much the whole world. Hell "Google" is an actual verb. Do you "Bing" something or "Yahoo" something? Even if they didn't release a phone, they would be relevant for many years to come. Releasing Android is just them expanding on their own success. Extra icing on the cake, if you will.

Just remember, every time you use Google Anything, you're helping to keep them relevant.

Yeah, except Google Adwords is tanking. Google is only something while others prop them up. Take the Google search bar out of Firefox and Safari and suddenly who is using Google?
post #86 of 96
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Perfect example of Google being intentionally dense morons. They knew it would be rejected long before they even decided to develop it.

Oh really? And in your infinite wisdom and insight into how Google and Apple run their businesses, can you explain how Google would have KNOWN that Apple would have rejected it?

(What a moron.)
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Yeah, except Google Adwords is tanking. Google is only something while others prop them up. Take the Google search bar out of Firefox and Safari and suddenly who is using Google?

Um...

I introduce you to the address bar.

www.google.com

Such a novel concept!

But the Google AdWords "tanking" is new to me. Care to provide me with some reading material? I'm interested in this.
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post #88 of 96
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Yeah, except Google Adwords is tanking. Google is only something while others prop them up. Take the Google search bar out of Firefox and Safari and suddenly who is using Google?

Unless Safari keeps using Google, Google will die. Oh wait...yeah!

Google is going DOWN!
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Unless Safari keeps using Google, Google will die. Oh wait...yeah!

Google is going DOWN!

There's Chrome (my personal favorite), IE, and Firefox out there that can have Google set as the search bar's default engine.

Considering that the users of these three combined probably outweigh Safari users, and that I haven't heard any of these three browsers says they're going to remove Google, I'm willing to bet that Google isn't going anywhere.

Down? Down in history as the greatest search/data collection engine, more like it.
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Perfect example of Google being intentionally dense morons. They knew it would be rejected long before they even decided to develop it.

How would they possibly know that? What hints should they have picked up on? Perhaps the fact that Apple already had allowed multiple third party apps that had the same functionality? The fact users were asking for it? The fact that Apple had no restrictions against the functionality in the SDK? What exactly should have clued them in?

Gee, I guess you know better than dense Google and dense Apple..after all, even Apple says it hasn't been rejected. But you know better?

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post #91 of 96
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Yeah, except Google Adwords is tanking. Google is only something while others prop them up. Take the Google search bar out of Firefox and Safari and suddenly who is using Google?

umm, everyone? (Hint: toolbar searches aren't what makes google search successful).

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post #92 of 96
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Unless Safari keeps using Google, Google will die. Oh wait...yeah!

Google is going DOWN!

Please take a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_s...f_web_browsers

Particularily that little graph at the top. I'm very sure that Google losing the current 5.27% for Safari is really going to cause them to go down!

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How would they possibly know that? What hints should they have picked up on? Perhaps the fact that Apple already had allowed multiple third party apps that had the same functionality? The fact users were asking for it? The fact that Apple had no restrictions against the functionality in the SDK? What exactly should have clued them in?

Gee, I guess you know better than dense Google and dense Apple..after all, even Apple says it hasn't been rejected. But you know better?

Haha! I remember that debacle. Apple said it was AT&T, AT&T said it was Apple.
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Nexus One from Google Coming to Sprint; Availability Date Announced Soon

http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoen...426&highlight=

Nexus One(TM) is planned for the Sprint Mobile Broadband Network with twice the network coverage of AT&T and ten times the network coverage of T-Mobile, both by square miles; Expands Sprint's Android(TM) portfolio

OVERLAND PARK, Kan., Mar 17, 2010 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Nexus One, the first wireless phone sold through Google(TM)'s web store, is planned for Sprint's 3G Mobile Broadband Network. Sprint (NYSE:S) will announce pricing and an exact availability date soon. Nexus One will benefit from Sprint's 3G network with twice the coverage of AT&T and 10 times the coverage of T-Mobile, both based on square miles.1

Sprint currently has America's largest voice calling area of any carrier reaching more than 307 million people in the U.S., Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands with a Sprint phone and plan that includes roaming. PC World recently said no one has a more reliable network than Sprint in a 13 city 3G performance test.2 Customers can check the quality of network coverage with street level mapping at sprint.com/coverage.

"Nexus One is a powerful device that belongs on a powerful network. This is another step in our continued partnership of innovation with Google," said Fared Adib, Sprint vice president of product development. "Sprint customers already have the option of two amazing Android devices with Samsung Moment(TM) and HTC Hero(TM). It is a natural fit for us to add Nexus One to the list of choices available for Sprint customers who want the best value in wireless with the best in Android."

Google's online consumer channel was created to provide an efficient way to connect online users with selected Android phones. Nexus One will not be available in any Sprint retail channels. It will be available directly from Google at google.com/phone. The online experience of Google's web store is designed with a focus on simplicity allowing consumers to match a phone with the service plan that best meets their needs.

"While a pricing plan has not yet been determined for Nexus One, we are confident that it will be consistent with Sprint's commitment to deliver more value than our competitors and keep pricing simple," Adib said. "Right now, our Sprint Everything Data 450 plan with Any Mobile, Anytime(SM) gives customers unlimited calling with any mobile phone in America, unlimited text and unlimited Web for just $69.99 per month - the same price AT&T and Verizon charge for just unlimited talk. Our Everything Data plans include unlimited GPS Navigation at no extra charge and annual phone upgrades with Sprint Premier."

Nexus One runs on Android 2.1, a version of the platform's Eclair software, which offers advanced applications and features including:

* Google Maps(TM) Navigation: offering turn-by-turn driving directions with voice output.
* Email: multiple Gmail(TM) accounts; universal inbox and Exchange support.
* Phone book: aggregate contacts from multiple sources, including Facebook(R).
* Quick Contacts: easily switch between communication and social applications.
* Android Market(TM): access to more than 30,000 applications.

Hardware features of Nexus One include:

* Display: 3.7" AMOLED 480x800 WVGA display
* Thinness: 11.5mm; Weight: 130g
* Processor/Speed: Qualcomm Snapdragon(TM) 3G QSD8250 chipset, delivering speeds up to 1GHz
* Camera: 5 megapixel auto focus with flash and geo tagging
* Onboard memory: 512MB Flash, 512MB RAM
* Expandable memory: 4GB removable SD Card (expandable to 32GB)
* Noise Suppression: Dynamic noise suppression from Audience, Inc.
* Ports: 3.5mm stereo headphone jack with four contacts for inline voice and remote control
* Battery: Removable 1400 mAh
* Personalized laser engraving: Up to 50 characters on the back of the phone
* Trackball: Tri-color notification LED, alerts when new emails, chats, text messages arrive

In addition, Nexus One offers new functionality and software enhancements including:

* Enter text without typing.
* Use a voice-enabled keyboard for all text fields: speak a text message, instant message, tweet, Facebook update, or complete an email.
* Tell your phone what you want it to do.
* Search Google, call contacts, or get driving directions by just speaking into your phone.
* Take personalization to the next level.
* Dynamic, interactive, live wallpapers react to the touch of a finger.
* More widgets and five home screen panels allow for further device customization.
* Capture camera-quality pictures and video with your device.
* 5 megapixel camera includes LED flash, auto focus, zoom, white balance and color effects.
* View pictures and Picasa Web Albums(TM) in the new 3D Gallery.
* Record Hi-Res MPEG4 video, and then upload to YouTube(TM) with one click.
* Read your voicemail messages.
* Get transcribed voicemail with Google Voice(TM) integration, without changing your number.

For more information on Nexus One, please visit www.Google.com/phone. Follow Sprint on Twitter @sprint to keep up with news on Nexus One for Sprint's 3G Mobile Broadband Network.

How about we count the first 74 days on each of the 4 carriers?

T-Mobile was the smallest carrier, so it will be interesting to see what happens when it hits the bigger ones.
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Maybe a million people will trade their Droids in on Verizon.

iPhone 3G one million on first weekend.



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How about we count the first 74 days on each of the 4 carriers?

T-Mobile was the smallest carrier, so it will be interesting to see what happens when it hits the bigger ones.
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post #95 of 96
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Maybe a million people will trade their Droids in on Verizon.

iPhone 3G one million on first weekend.


It's more likely the first weekend sales will be towards new customers or customers finally able to upgrade their phones according to Verizon. DROIDs came out in November last year. Many who bought them or upgraded to them have signed 2 year contracts.

Highly unlikely that millions will drop their DROIDs and buy the iPhone at full price just for the sake of having one in the first weekend. Maybe over the course of a year or two, you'll get that conversion.
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post #96 of 96
There's a real lack of critical thinking in that piece.

First there's the ignorance of the price difference between the Droid and the original iPhone. Then there's the complete lack of contextual analysis, which ultimately leads to the "flop" conclusion.

I fail to see how 100 000 units being sold, mostly at full price (or without access to family plans) or with significantly less subsidies than its competitors (iPhone), with a 3G frequency band unique to the carrier, and with pretty close to zero marketing (aside from media mentions of the phone), and no in-store sales or support, is a flop. Given all that, I'd say 100 000 units is damn good.

People have to keep in mind that this is 2010. People are now conditioned to go buy an iPhone or Blackberry for $100 on contract. Shelling out $600+ (price+tax+shipping) for a smartphone seems crazy these days. Shelling out that much before you've even held one seems even nuttier. And then paying to get one which offers 3G on only one carrier and 2G on the rest must seem certifiable.

We'll have to see how sales go, now that they'll have a model for ever carrier in the US and Canada, once they add that CDMA model for Verizon to the line-up, before the Nexus One can really be judged. I am willing to bet that they'll break a million this year which I'd consider no small feat today, where tons of people have iPhones and Blackberries.

Finally, this "iPhone killer" concept is ridiculous. There is no phone that'll kill the iPhone. Apple puts out one phone a year. It's customers don't have much choice. That stacks the numbers in its favour. Android's putting out a dozen or more? So naturally, there'll be no single handset that trumps the iPhone in sales, when Android splits them up so many ways. But that does not mean that Android is not competitive as a family against the iPhone. Here's some stories that Appleinsider missed that should be considered as indicators in this contest:

http://blog.gsmarena.com/number-of-a...ses-to-30-000/

http://blog.gsmarena.com/major-mobil...-57-free-apps/

If apps are the key to this fight, then it seems Android is starting to mature and slowly even catch up to the iPhone. Now throw in the fact that Android is available at every carrier, in any form people prefer (hard or soft keyboard), and I'd be willing to venture that the Android family will outsell the iPhone in a few years. The apps developers certainly seem to be voting that way.

Personally, I'd like to see both platforms stay competitive. It gives the customer more choice and a better product!
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