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Originally Posted by TECHSTUD View Post

What's that old saying- "There's a sucker born every minute."
Steve Jobs is the PT Barnum of the 21st century.

iPad hasn't even been tested yet - what fools.

Why does it bother you so much that some people like Apple products that you spend half of your life trolling this forum?

Some of us have been buying Apple products for decades - and are completely satisfied enough to expect another hit product.

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Agreed, the people who provide these numbers are experts at "lying" with statistics. Take the figure "hundreds of thousands" that have been pre-ordered. That could mean as few as 200,000 iPads. If you believe the first-day sales of 120,000, then as few as 80K might have been sold over the next 5-6 days -- maybe as few as 13K per day. If sales stabilize at that level, more than 1.2 million iPads will be sold in the first 3 months. More precisely about 1.6 million.

At least Skype-like apps will be available and the iPad 3G does have GPS, but probably not the magnetometer found in the iPhone 3GS.

Keep in mind that these numbers don't include orders for pickup at the Apple stores. Some accounts say that number is roughly equal to these numbers. Plus, business preorders are not included. The total might be closer to 500 K at this point.
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I say "puplication/newspaper" because I really believe traditional news papers are dead. There is simply no future in delivering "news" on paper or even as a paid electronic subscription.

What would be worthwhile paying for is computant journalism and insightful articles. Business reporting is or can be worth the money of a subscription to a magazine. Likewise a journal that follows technical and science world without dumbing down for the readers would be welcomed.


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What's that old saying- "There's a sucker born every minute."
Steve Jobs is the PT Barnum of the 21st century.

iPad hasn't even been tested yet - what fools.

Of course Barnum was referencing to the many hoaxes he put on to sucker in people.
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I think a desktop OS designed around 13" displays with keyboards and mice/trackpads running on a 10" tablet with fingers for input is a prime example of "a fool and his money are soon parted adage"



I wonder how many tablets have been sold since tablets were first introduced. It seems like Apple will outsell all tablet sells with it's iPad in a very, very short timeframe. I think we'll see Android-based tablets as the most profitable competitors to the iPad, with MS making a tablet version of their Windows Phone 7 Series OS which HP will surely jump on. A desktop OS is just foolish for that device type and size.

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I would only add "A desktop OS is just foolish for that device type and size" and use.

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Indeed.

Software designed for the device, not the other way around.

Just look at iWork.

Some people just won't get it. But they will in time. This is the future of computing.

Ya' know, it's kinda funny... you can scroll down the comments and look at the poster-- and pretty much tell how (not what) they are going to post. Some people get it... others don't even see it!

For efficiency sake we should all limit our comments to something like:

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Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post

When it was first released, I struggled to figure out why I should buy it.

In the intervening months, there have been many occasions when I have gone "an iPad right now would have been awesome!".

1) Surfing the net while watching TV (posting on sports forums while watching games, looking up channels, actor info, etc.)
2) Bedtime news reading. I love going through my rss feeds before sleeping, and doing it while laying on the bed would be awesome.
3) Reading ebooks.
4) Digital Photo Album
5) Recipe Display while cooking

I am still not sure if I can justify spending $500 for the above (all of which I can already achieve with my macbook/iphone, but not half as conveniently), but if the money was not an issue, it would be a no-brainer.

Try doing that in bed while laying on your side!

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Originally Posted by masternav View Post

OK - let's get this out of the way:

The online investor guys are making up the numbers, their methodology is flawed, they are fan boys trying to drive the release of the iPad to success - because we all know the device is an abject failure.

The iPad suxxors majorly, it doesn't have:
42 UBS ports
a Blu-ray drive
removeable battery
a front-facing camera
a rear facing camera
a cell chip to make phone calls
GPS
support for 1080p
a real keyboard
a real processor
a real OS (just that stoopid pathetic mobile version of OSX)
enough memory
enough storage space
free unlimited 3G
release with Verizon, TMobile, Sprint, Alltel, Cellular One, Blue Wireless, Bluegrass Cellular, ad nauseam...

AND

there have been scads of tablet before the iPad

AND

all these early adopters are fanbois who spend too much money for glitzy tech that is just a toy, nobody besides them or the great unwashed masses of clueless consumers who don't worship at the altar of featuredom will buy this.


Remind me to repost this in about a month or two. Perhaps even at the end of the year.
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Try doing that in bed while laying on your side!

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No - that would be Ringling Bros.
Besides- who want shows? Substance is always preferred.

OH... you must mean:

Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus.

Break a leg!

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Quick question; how many fanboys are there?

At tens of thousands, the critics say it is just rabid fanboys. At hundreds of thousands, same thing. How many millions does it take before people admit that Apple products have general, mass appeal? Consider the success of the iMac, iPod, iPhone; there simply aren't enough fanboy nut jobs to account for it. The vast majority of Apple customers are Windows users. Isn't it about time to stop dismissing the overwhelming number of people interested in purchasing this product as fanboys?

Quick answer: an infinity. No matter how many millions of customers Apple has, they will always be called "the Apple faithful" by the media.
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Sorry... I meant to Try it on a laptop or a desktop as opposed to an iPad!

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HP Slate is being launched later this year but on schedule:

http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/33309...ting-with-iPad

No price, no date?
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

OH... you must mean:

Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus.

Break a leg!

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No - what I meant is PT Barnum never came up with that expression. Ringling Bros did and they had only acquired the Barnum name years later. Enough said?
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No - what I meant is PT Barnum never came up with that expression. Ringling Bros did and they had only acquired the Barnum name years later. Enough said?

How come you know so much about suckers and scammers...

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No price, no date?

No dice, no slate!
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post #97 of 209
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HP introduced their Slate before Apple. Which is far more powerful then the iPad.

It's not about power. It's about the User Experience.

You still don't seem to understand one of the keys to Apple's success. It's the same formula behind OS X, the iPod Touch, iPhone, etc. It's a main priority for Apple.

I'm sure Standard Slate from Generic Box Assembler will be quite powerful. And how about the OS? The UI? The touch implementation? The entire ecosystem? Why care about power when it's awful to use?

You can probably (by different means) manage to do most things on a generic slate that you can on an iPad. But *why* would people choose to do it on an iPad instead? Think about it.

ALL THAT MATTERS is that the iPad be able to easily run the apps that Apple and developers design for it and be able to run content at decent speeds. That's it.
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Originally Posted by TECHSTUD View Post

iPod Touch cost $199 , iPad cost $499. You do the Math.

I not surprised that you didn't get my post.

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I would only add "A desktop OS is just foolish for that device type and size" and use.

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A full desktop OS on a tablet has been around for years on both Windows and Mac (ModBook). What I don't get is why those who whine about the iPad lack of a desktop OS didn't buy one yet!
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iPod Touch cost $199 , iPad cost $499. You do the Math.

Going by your yardstick . . . the iPad is over twice as large as an iPod Touch. You get *more* device (even just in terms of dimensions) with the iPad. Two iPod Touches are ~ $400. Add in 3G costs for the iPad, some updated materials here and there, a better processor, etc., and you've got your $499 Big iPod Touch that's a heck of a lot more machine than an iPod Touch.
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Originally Posted by masternav View Post

OK - let's get this out of the way:

The online investor guys are making up the numbers, their methodology is flawed, they are fan boys trying to drive the release of the iPad to success - because we all know the device is an abject failure.

The iPad suxxors majorly, it doesn't have:
42 UBS ports
a Blu-ray drive
removeable battery
a front-facing camera
a rear facing camera
a cell chip to make phone calls
GPS
support for 1080p
a real keyboard
a real processor
a real OS (just that stoopid pathetic mobile version of OSX)
enough memory
enough storage space
free unlimited 3G
release with Verizon, TMobile, Sprint, Alltel, Cellular One, Blue Wireless, Bluegrass Cellular, ad nauseam...

AND

there have been scads of tablet before the iPad

AND

all these early adopters are fanbois who spend too much money for glitzy tech that is just a toy, nobody besides them or the great unwashed masses of clueless consumers who don't worship at the altar of featuredom will buy this.


You forgot 2 side facing cameras (for improved peripheral vision), top facing camera (so that you can check on weather without turning your head) and down-facing camera (so that you don't step on small dogs while walking and reading).

This is a 21. century, after all.
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Originally Posted by joelsalt View Post

For me, it was iWork. Keynote and Pages (for notes) in meetings, plus internet is all I need. The rest is gravy.

Should you not try typing first on it to see if it can do the job in meetings..?
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Originally Posted by nasserae View Post

i not surprised that you didn't get my post.



A full desktop os on a tablet has been around for years on both windows and mac (modbook). What i don't get is why those who whine about the ipad lack of a desktop os didn't buy one yet!

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Originally Posted by RCO3 View Post

And yet another useless Apple-bashing troll hits the ignore list. Good job, you're VERY effective.

Unless someone quotes them - WHICH THEY ALWAYS DO.
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I not surprised that you didn't get my post.



A full desktop OS on a tablet has been around for years on both Windows and Mac (ModBook). What I don't get is why those who whine about the iPad lack of a desktop OS didn't buy one yet!

Exactly. Good post.
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Going by your yardstick . . . the iPad is over twice as large as an iPod Touch. You get *more* device with the iPad. Two iPod Touches are ~ $400. Add in 3G costs for the iPad, some updated materials here and there, a better processor, etc., and you've got your $499 Big iPod Touch.

Going by display size the iPad has 8x more surface area.
Touch = .5.65sq in
.iPad = 45.19sq in
Going by weight the iPad is 4.5x heavier.
Touch = 115g
.iPad = 680g
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This is an entirely new category midway between a computer and a smart phone. It's not intended to replace your computer. In fact, the iPad is designed to sync with your computer via iTunes on either your Mac or Windows computer.

Apple's betting that they can successfully establish a new category that won't cannibalize sales of their computer or iPhone product line. They don't want it to have all those ports, DVD player, etc.

This is a replacement for stand-alone devices like eBook readers, portable DVD players, portable voice recorders, digital photo frames, etc. It will be better than any laptop in certain situations like watching a movie on an airplane in the coach seats or making a one-on-one sales presentation over lunch at a restaurant.

The Windoze crowd will pan it until Microsoft copies it and put's their name on it. Then they'll want one. That's the way it works with that crowd.

Can it play DivX or XviD..? If not, I'm afraid netbook is still the best on-the-go video player...
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Can it play DivX or XviD..? If not, I'm afraid netbook is still the best on-the-go video player...

Or anything else that plays DivX, not just netbooks.

What I don't get is why DivX-based codecs are still used. They are so old and weak and result in larger file sizes for the same relative quality over Ogg Theora or H.264. Sure, it takes more processing power to encode but with HW encoder/decoders for H.264 built into so many modern machines I wish this antiqued codec and container would just die.

PS: I also don't get why Apple can't allow other codecs to be accessed via iTunes since it is designed to be an audio and video organizer.
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Originally Posted by masternav View Post

e iPad suxxors majorly, it doesn't have:

Let's not forget that they recently banned the app iProstitute too.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Indeed.

Software designed for the device, not the other way around.

Just look at iWork.

Some people just won't get it. But they will in time. This is the future of computing.

Didn't do your post justice in my first response...


iWork on the iPad is the "breakout app".


Gee, this "iPad appliance" can finally do the things that separate a smart phone (and smart iPod) from a "real computer".

Funny thing... it prolly can do it better!

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Or anything else that plays DivX, not just netbooks.

What I don't get is why DivX-based codecs are still used. They are so old and weak and result in larger file sizes for the same relative quality over Ogg Theora or H.264. Sure, it takes more processing power to encode but with HW encoder/decoders for H.264 built into so many modern machines I wish this antiqued codec and container would just die.

Yeah, well, I was thinking in terms of multifunctional device that can play media but also do emails, Internet... a few other things. Which both iPad and average netbook are capable of. Carrying dedicated DivX-enabled player plus another device for communications and images is a bit of an overkill.

There is another "issue" with iPad - carrying your music and movies (whichever format iPad does play) is a bit of a challenge with 16 or even 32GB storage on iPad... and 64GB is becoming pricey. Yes I know all the advantages of solid-state storage but at the end of the day, 160 (or 250)GB of storage is an advantage for video-watcher on the move.

I'm saying all this because I agree with you - I will very likely get one for my mother as soon as Skype application is available (or iPhone one confirmed working), but I still don't see a reason to get one for me. At present I'm much more inclined to replace my 15" notebook with something 12 - 13" for travels. I have big grunty desktop, iPhone, couple of consoles... with smaller, travel-friendly laptop, I just don't have real application for iPad at the moment, except for simple joy of having new gadget (which is not to be underestimated )
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Does everyone know fully what they're even buying?

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From the demo during the special event, the website and other news one can get a pretty good idea. Depending on your needs that may not be enough information, but for the one I'm buying, a mother's day gift, it's more than enough data to know this is a good fit for an occasional computer user who would like something simple when they are away from their iMac for several days at a time.

Beyond the demos people don't know what they are getting, but they see a lot of potential for fun and work.

Personally, I'm looking forward to some video board games.
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Originally Posted by TECHSTUD View Post

What's that old saying- "There's a sucker born every minute."
Steve Jobs is the PT Barnum of the 21st century.

iPad hasn't even been tested yet - what fools.

Of course it has, they call it the iPod touch and iPhone. Thought you had been banned for being a twat?
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Of course it has, they call it the iPod touch and iPhone. Thought you had been banned for being a twat?

It's really funny (read: pathetic) that he'll say that it's just a larger iPod Touch and then say it hasn't been tested without seeing the hypocrisy.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Yep, I'm running the iPad simulator on my Mac Pro. It is sweet

Do tell. What app are you working on? If you can't say now, please do once it's available on the App Store.

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There is another "issue" with iPad - carrying your music and movies (whichever format iPad does play) is a bit of a challenge with 16 or even 32GB storage on iPad... and 64GB is becoming pricey. Yes I know all the advantages of solid-state storage but at the end of the day, 160 (or 250)GB of storage is an advantage for video-watcher on the move.

Maybe you can explain that to the millions of people who use 8 GB iPhones. Granted, it won't carry ALL your music, but easily enough for even a very long trip.

And it's rather odd that you consider the 32 GB ($599) to be OK, but the 64 GB ($699) isn't. just what is the exact dividing line between 'ok' and 'too much' since you seem to know exactly where it is.
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Going by display size the iPad has 8x more surface area.
Touch = .5.65sqin
.iPad = 45.19sqin
Going by weight the iPad is 4.5x heavier.
Touch = 115g
.iPad = 680kg

Geez! I didn't realize the iPad was THAT heavy. Now I'm suddenly not so sure
But seriously, this debate is getting tiresome. The repeatative nature and intransigence of the naysayers' arguments continue to astound. I understand the argument against buying first revision but it's hardly worth bickering about. The rest is just grandstandng. I keep thinking the anti brigade is ruining it for themselves by being so adament qnd vocal. How will you ever find out if it's any good? You are denying yourselves the possibility to really try it out. My guess is that your pride and prejudice will get in your way.
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I think someone already posted a version of this recently, but here's how it goes:

Prerelease, meh, it sucks, won't sell, Apple gets taken down a notch serves them right.

First numbers, look good, probably Apple propaganda or someone pumping the stock.

Subsequent numbers still good, fan boys will buy anything their lord and master orders them too.

Ongoing strong sales, Apple is the master of marketing and mind control.

Other manufacturers begin to follow suit, including some of the general strategies that made the Apple product so stupid in the first place, mass amnesia that Apple pretty much created the segment and a great deal of smirking about how rival products have better specs or features and the Apple product is declared "tired."

Repeat.
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I think someone already posted a version of this recently, but here's how it goes:

Prerelease, meh, it sucks, won't sell, Apple gets taken down a notch serves them right.

First numbers, look good, probably Apple propaganda or someone pumping the stock.

Subsequent numbers still good, fan boys will buy anything their lord and master orders them too.

Ongoing strong sales, Apple is the master of marketing and mind control.

Other manufacturers begin to follow suit, including some of the general strategies that made the Apple product so stupid in the first place, mass amnesia that Apple pretty much created the segment and a great deal of smirking about how rival products have better specs or features and the Apple product is declared "tired."

Repeat.

Awesome!
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I think someone already posted a version of this recently, but here's how it goes:

Prerelease, meh, it sucks, won't sell, Apple gets taken down a notch serves them right.

First numbers, look good, probably Apple propaganda or someone pumping the stock.

Subsequent numbers still good, fan boys will buy anything their lord and master orders them too.

Ongoing strong sales, Apple is the master of marketing and mind control.

Other manufacturers begin to follow suit, including some of the general strategies that made the Apple product so stupid in the first place, mass amnesia that Apple pretty much created the segment and a great deal of smirking about how rival products have better specs or features and the Apple product is declared "tired."

Repeat.




I've posted something like this few days ago with their last reaction being "iPad growth is stagnating" while it is not.
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HP introduced their Slate before Apple. Which is far more powerful then the iPad.

What exactly do you mean by "introduced"? Which versions of HP slate will be shipping when? Sorry, "will be available later this year" is not an introduction.
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