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Intel is struggling to meet demand for its new family of Core mobile processors that are widely expected to turn up in the next round of updates to Apple's MacBook and MacBook Pro lines of notebook computers, according to a published report.

Citing its usual sources within the notebook sector, sometimes right, sometimes wrong Taiwanese rumor site DigiTimes says Intel's latest Core i7/i5/i3 series notebook chips are currently facing tight supply thanks to a hefty order from Acer, which "optimistic about the upcoming demand" for its related portables.

The brief report, which doesn't specifically name Apple, claims that Intel is giving priority to major clients, which should include the Mac maker, leaving second-tier and smaller notebook makers in the waiting line.

For its part, AppleInsider recently outline alternative factors that may be contributing to Apple's aging notebook offerings in its recent report on dual graphics improvements expected to turn up in new MacBook Pros sometime this year.
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Briefly: Intel short on supply of MacBook Pro-bounce processors

Shouldn't that be MacBook Pro-bound processors? I have a hard time imagining Macbook Pros bouncing...
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Shouldn't that be MacBook Pro-bound processors? I have a hard time imagining Macbook Pros bouncing...

You know what? They are always in such a hurry to be the first one to let internet know that i often end up finding 3 mistakes in their post.

And mistakes in headlines are just PATHETIC!

Also this line doesnt sound right: "...thanks to a hefty order from Acer, which "optimistic about the upcoming demand" for its related portables.".

I wish some Apple-ism will finally rub off on AppleInsider someday and we will have "bug free article releases" instead of developer betas.
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I know that the AppleInsider headlines are sometimes written with a bit of sensationalism, but "MacBook Pro-bounce processors"?

Let's see, the "Pro-bounce" processor must be the one that bounces higher and faster than the consumer level "bounce processor".

So, just agreeing with you two first posters.

It is sad - both their trend toward sensationalism, and the lack of proof-reading before publishing.

Maybe they had to get it "into the presses" right away, and the writer had just stepped away for coffee. Or something.
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This would explain the lack of an update.
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I guess Intel can play hardball, too.

I thought the use of "bounce" was intentional, in the manner of how stock prices are sometimes said to "bounce" higher.
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What this article is saying, is that there are likely to be more delays in seeing new Mac models. My aging G5 PowerMac is getting to be an issue, with several new software titles coming out Intel-only. Even automated software updates have loaded Intel-Only versions, which forces me to delete, go to the website, and download the PPC version. I am ready to move on.
I wonder more about features than the latest processor. Will the next gen have USB-3? I'd hate to feel like my machine is obsolete after a year, because the standard changed again.
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I don't want anyone bouncing the processor in my Mac Pro.
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What this article is saying, is that there are likely to be more delays in seeing new Mac models. My aging G5 PowerMac is getting to be an issue, with several new software titles coming out Intel-only. Even automated software updates have loaded Intel-Only versions, which forces me to delete, go to the website, and download the PPC version. I am ready to move on.
I wonder more about features than the latest processor. Will the next gen have USB-3? I'd hate to feel like my machine is obsolete after a year, because the standard changed again.

I'm also wondering about when USB 3.0 will be in the notebook line. I was thinking of upgrading my MBP in the fall, but I might hold out until they come out with USB3.0, whenever that is, as externals are a major part of my computer experience, and having 3.0 is important for transfers.
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I wonder more about features than the latest processor. Will the next gen have USB-3? I'd hate to feel like my machine is obsolete after a year, because the standard changed again.

I've been wondering that since Apple's sparse update cycle compared to other OEMs would mean they'd be woefully behind other PC makers for this much needed feature if they didn't add USB3.0 with the next update.

There are USB3.0 chips available. NEC is ramping up nicely with their USB3.0 chip sales and Asus, a longtime maker of Apple-designed MoBos, has been selling boards with USB3.0 since last year.

Intel's plans for USB3.0 on the chipset are for next year. I think they are holding off so they can ready LightPeak as a viable competitor to USB3.0, which is fine, but USB3.0 will still be needed for the foreseeable future.
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This would explain the lack of an update.

Yes, apparently, in order to further emphasize their transition from focusing on just computers to the wider world of mobile devices (including computers, of course), Apple will shortly rebrand themselves as "Bouncin' Apple" -- a rolling Granny Smith gathers no moss!!!
(And what better way to emphasize the "green" trend?)

(For those who are late to the party, the original title of this article read, "Intel short on supply of MacBook Pro-bounce processors," where "-bound" was obviously meant. Hopefully it's corrected by the time you read this. )

I'm not in the market myself for a laptop, but I'm not surprised by the delay. And Apple isn't wringing their hands either way, because emphasis is still clearly on the iPad's introduction. Once that ball's a-rollin' (or a-bouncin'?), things can proceed as normal. I was more surprised by the slight delay in announcing the Mac Pros, but they wouldn't be available until later anyway, so no one loses -- except those who need to make the leap soon due to older equipment (e.g., Applecation's G5 -- I feel your pain!).

I doubt that USB3 will be included just yet; Intel doesn't appear to be ready & willing to support it until next year. Damn!!!
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I doubt that USB3 will be included just yet; Intel doesn't appear to be ready & willing to support it until next year. Damn!!!

Frak Intel. Apple has a long history of not using aspects of Intel's chips (eg: WiFi) so it's not like they have to wait for Intel to add USB3.0 support.
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Doesn't the article say that Asus is the one experiencing the delay because major clients (aka Apple) are eating up current supply? That would not explain the Apple delay, but indicate current manufacturing of new notebooks.

At least that's how it reads to me.
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Everybody know Apple is buying AMD and the new Mac Pros will have the new Opteron 12 cores (magny Cours) and ATI video cards (OPENCL+ Crossfire)...
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Doesn't the article say that Asus is the one experiencing the delay because major clients (aka Apple) are eating up current supply? That would not explain the Apple delay, but indicate current manufacturing of new notebooks.

At least that's how it reads to me.

Read to me that Acer was buying up the lot which is causing the shortage.
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I wonder if apple has fallen out of Intel's good graces for daring to use their own chip in the iPad instead of Intel's Atom...

Still, Intel should be careful. Apple currently only buys chips from Intel for the Mac, and Apple sells a lot of Macs. Does Intel really want to risk losing business to AMD?

Of course, I guess it's possible that the delay in the MBPs has nothing to do with Apple not getting chips from Intel. Could be Apple's own marketing schedule, could be some other feature that Apple wants to add to the MBPs that's been delayed... I guess we don't know.

--- one other thought -- Apple buys a heck of a lot of flash. Intel sells a lot of flash, but so do a lot of other companies. Does Intel want to alienate the biggest flash customer in the world?
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Read to me that Acer was buying up the lot which is causing the shortage.

It says they placed an order, which has constrained supply. One order, albeit large, shouldn't constrain supply unless they are already filling large orders, which is what I thought the third paragraph was trying to say.
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There are USB3.0 chips available. NEC is ramping up nicely with their USB3.0 chip sales and Asus, a longtime maker of Apple-designed MoBos, has been selling boards with USB3.0 since last year.

Intel's plans for USB3.0 on the chipset are for next year. I think they are holding off so they can ready LightPeak as a viable competitor to USB3.0, which is fine, but USB3.0 will still be needed for the foreseeable future.

How many devices are currently using all USB 2.0 bandwidth? Tests that I have seen online have shown no real boost in switching to USB3 to date. Also Asus is typically the first (or second) company to offer any given feature. They're usually right on top of things and I wasn't surprised in the least when I heard Intel was waiting till 2011 that Asus was releasing stuff for USB3 anyway.
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I just wish for a QuadCore inside a MBP, as I heard last time round the upgrade was discussed the Intel offerings were a tad too hot.
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A processor BUMP is going from 3Ghz to 3.5Ghz.
A processor BOUNCE is going from Core2Duo to Core i5.

Just a little misunderstanding with all this technical jargon. : )
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I emailed the news address suggesting the headline be corrected.

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Frak Intel. Apple has a long history of not using aspects of Intel's chips (eg: WiFi) so it's not like they have to wait for Intel to add USB3.0 support.

Everything I've seen about Intel's WiFi is that it is a separate chip or module. It's not as if Apple is installing Intel chips capabile of WiFi and then adding someone else's. I don't know why Intel's chips aren't used, I can't find that answer.
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How many devices are currently using all USB 2.0 bandwidth? Tests that I have seen online have shown no real boost in switching to USB3 to date. Also Asus is typically the first (or second) company to offer any given feature. They're usually right on top of things and I wasn't surprised in the least when I heard Intel was waiting till 2011 that Asus was releasing stuff for USB3 anyway.

I've seen some tests of HDDs, SSDs, USB Flash Drives and SD cards, or some combination of those that show it to be pretty good. Certainly better than the USB2.0 speeds.


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I just wish for a QuadCore inside a MBP, as I heard last time round the upgrade was discussed the Intel offerings were a tad too hot.

i think those Quads start at 45W TDP and Apple only uses 35W TDP in their Macs. Plus, the performance to the power requirements don't seem to be favourable. For a portable workstation, not a laptop, that would be fine but Apple doesn't seem to be interested in that market.
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I call shenanigans !

I cant remember where I saw the post, but someone showed stock levels at a major UK IT Online seller for i3/i5/i7 laptops for major Laptop makers. All were in stock and available for next day delivery.

eg. Sony / HP / Compaq / Acer .... all have Core i series laptops out, and ready to buy.. even in the UK which normally gets stock way later than other major places like the US.

Apple's delay isnt because of this. Other PC makers are seriously not struggling to get their i3/i5/i7 products out there. Hell, I could have bought an S Series i5 laptop from Sony weeks ago in the UK.

(I nearly did, but am waiting to see what Apple push out [assuming its in the next month!]... and no OSX is not the be all and end all for me now that Win7 is out)
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Everything I've seen about Intel's WiFi is that it is a separate chip or module. It's not as if Apple is installing Intel chips capabile of WiFi and then adding someone else's. I don't know why Intel's chips aren't used, I can't find that answer.

Yeah, you're right, so that would be a different situation than Intel's USB3.0 implementation.
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Well it's good to know at least that somebody is interested in manufacturing powerful small computing devices and not sofa-inducing granny tablets. It's been almost a year since the last MBP update- truly pathetic.
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This would explain the cause of much time for this update.

I also hope in USB 3.0 implementation!

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I would be more worried about getting USB3 if there was more USB3 available. Newegg only has 5 hard drives with USB3 for sale. Yes I know, future ready and all, but I'm not super worried at the moment.
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Am I correct in thinking that LightPeak supersedes USB3? If so, perhaps Apple is going to to ignore it and go straight to the new standard. Apple have been very proactive pushing the development of LP, perhaps they will do to it what they did to USB 1.1 with the original iMac, namely be the first to bring the new tech to a mass market.
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Am I correct in thinking that LightPeak supersedes USB3? If so, perhaps Apple is going to to ignore it and go straight to the new standard. Apple have been very proactive pushing the development of LP, perhaps they will do to it what they did to USB 1.1 with the original iMac, namely be the first to bring the new tech to a mass market.

1) I don't think LightPeak is even finalized while USB3.0 was completed 1.5 years ago.

2) There will still be a lot of devices for a long, long time that will use USB and they aren't mutually exclusive so I see no problem with offering both.

3) The Bondi Blue iMac shipped in August 1998. If you look at the version history of USB, it had been out for awhile before Apple adopted it. It seems it was v1.1 that Apple adopted right away and made standard for it's machine. I think the USB1.1 standard was completed back in 1996, but I can't confirm that.
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1) I don't think LightPeak is even finalized while USB3.0 was completed 1.5 years ago.

But USB3 has still to be widely adopted. There was talk here a few months back about Apple working very closely with Intel on LP - perhaps it is further advanced in their labs than is publicly known.

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2) There will still be a lot of devices for a long, long time that will use USB and they aren't mutually exclusive so I see no problem with offering both.

True, but of all the hardware companies one single truly universal port is Apple heaven, it is such a perfect fit to their design ethos..

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3) The Bondi Blue iMac shipped in August 1998. If you look at the version history of USB, it had been out for awhile before Apple adopted it. It seems it was v1.1 that Apple adopted right away and made standard for it's machine. I think the USB1.1 standard was completed back in 1996, but I can't confirm that.

I did specify mass market. USB did co-exist on other hardware with all the other ports, but with the iMac Apple ditched all the legacy ports, thus forcing the issue somewhat. With its excellent legacy compatibility that would not be an issue with LP.
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I call shenanigans !

I cant remember where I saw the post, but someone showed stock levels at a major UK IT Online seller for i3/i5/i7 laptops for major Laptop makers. All were in stock and available for next day delivery.

eg. Sony / HP / Compaq / Acer .... all have Core i series laptops out, and ready to buy.. even in the UK which normally gets stock way later than other major places like the US.

I also have seen ads for Win laptops using the i3, i5, i7 processors.
I just checked on the Dell Vostro laptop page (US), and the models with those processors show est. ship date of 4/09. So about three weeks off. I haven't checked on any other notebook vendors - if they are shipping 'today', or if they are in the constrained channel.

Point being that yes, some vendors have them and many have announced them.
SOOOOOO, come on Apple, Bring out or announce the MacBook Pros with the screamin' Core i3, i5, i7. (please...)
Especially since the last MacBook Pro update last mid 2009, was mostly a slight C2D speed bump increase.

Another point though, sometimes Apple seems to have gotten first crack at some of the newest Intel chips, so I would have thought that Apple qualified as a top-tier, first-rank chip customer with Intel. Is this not the case?
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But USB3 has still to be widely adopted. There was talk here a few months back about Apple working very closely with Intel on LP - perhaps it is further advanced in their labs than is publicly known.

True, but of all the hardware companies one single truly universal port is Apple heaven, it is such a perfect fit to their design ethos..

I did specify mass market. USB did co-exist on other hardware with all the other ports, but with the iMac Apple ditched all the legacy ports, thus forcing the issue somewhat. With its excellent legacy compatibility that would not be an issue with LP.

All good points but I can't see the USB port interface being dropped like serial or parallel. Even if they got rid of one USB for a couple LP ports the fact that USB3.0 is backwards compatible to earlier USB and the port itself is identical i would still expect them to add support for it. Add in the USB3.0 being on the ready my money is on USB3.0 being introduced before LightPeak.
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All good points but I can't see the USB port interface being dropped like serial or parallel. Even if they got rid of one USB for a couple LP ports the fact that USB3.0 is backwards compatible to earlier USB and the port itself is identical i would still expect them to add support for it. Add in the USB3.0 being on the ready my money is on USB3.0 being introduced before LightPeak.

I guess we'll find out soon enough! As for FW3200...
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I guess we'll find out soon enough! As for FW3200...

The dropping of the FW400 port made sense but is Apple not going to update past FW800? It's not looking good.
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The dropping of the FW400 port made sense but is Apple not going to update past FW800? It's not looking good.

Agreed on both counts.
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1) I don't think LightPeak is even finalized while USB3.0 was completed 1.5 years ago.

2) There will still be a lot of devices for a long, long time that will use USB and they aren't mutually exclusive so I see no problem with offering both.

3) The Bondi Blue iMac shipped in August 1998. If you look at the version history of USB, it had been out for awhile before Apple adopted it. It seems it was v1.1 that Apple adopted right away and made standard for it's machine. I think the USB1.1 standard was completed back in 1996, but I can't confirm that.

1) +1
2) +1 again
3) At that time, Firewire was better. (And technically still superior with each successive update.) Probably the reason for the delay back then, but now insignificant. No reason they cannot offer all three, especially if they ditch the optical drives.
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...especially if they ditch the optical drives.

Eventually it'll happen. Not soon enough for us, but eventually.
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Eventually it'll happen. Not soon enough for us, but eventually.

Just curious. What would you consider as your solution if they do discontinue the optical drives?
Just plug in an external as needed, a la the MacBook Air?
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No reason they cannot offer all three, especially if they ditch the optical drives.

But isn't the point with LP that it can handle USB and FW through the same port? I had a quick look at Wiki where it states;

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Intel has stated that Light Peak is protocol independent, allowing it to support existing standards with a change of the physical medium.

Not quite sure what "change of physical medium' actually means, but my impression was it was one port fits all.
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Eventually it'll happen. Not soon enough for us, but eventually.

You know, I just realized: other than a few CDs and audio DVDs which I've ripped over the past few months, I haven't touched the optical drive in my iMac for anything all that important. (Even the importance of the "ripping" is debatable.)

All of the programs I've installed (both professional & recreational) were downloaded. Almost all of the music & movies I've purchased were downloads.

A world without optical drives...

Can you say, "iPad?"

Eventually (and I do mean eventually), the only "Apple" product may very well be the later generations of the iPad.
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