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In addition to their own respective e-ink hardware devices, booksellers Amazon and Barnes & Noble will also release their own separate digital bookstores for Apple's iPad and other touchscreen tablet devices.

Both companies revealed to The New York Times that they will create new digital readers and storefronts in addition to their existing applications for the iPhone and iPod touch. The App Store software will also compete with Apple's own iBooks application and accompanying iBookstore, which will also be available for download on the App Store rather than coming preinstalled on the device.

In particular, the Kindle application from Amazon was demonstrated to a Times reporter. It features the ability to slowly turn pages with fingers, much like Apple's own iBooks software.

"It also presents two new ways for people to view their entire e-book collection, including one view where large images of book covers are set against a backdrop of a silhouetted figure reading under a tree," the report said. "The sun's position in that image varies with the time of day."

Amazon also created a section on its Web site to promote Kindle apps for tablet computers, and the promotional material specifically cites the iPad version of the software.

"Tablet computers, including the iPad, are coming and with our free app you'll be able to read more than 450,000 Kindle books," the page reads. "Like all Kindle apps, Kindle for tablet computers will include Whispersync technology, which automatically synchronizes your last page read, bookmarks, notes and highlights across your Kindle and Kindle compatible devices, including PC, Mac, iPhone and BlackBerry."



Last week, Amazon released the free beta of its Kindle desktop application for the Mac. For Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard and newer, the software allows Mac users to purchase and download from Amazon's catalog of digital books without the need to purchase Kindle hardware.

Meanwhile, Barnes & Noble has a team of 14 developers based at its digital unit in New York, working in a "windowless room" on redesigning the company's existing iPhone application for the iPad. It will reportedly allow users to use finger gestures to flip through their books, and present content in multiple font sizes and colors. Earlier this month, the company had already revealed its intent to release an iPad e-reader application.

While some media outlets, such as the Times and The Wall Street Journal have received iPad hardware for testing purposes early, Amazon and Barnes & Noble have not had access to the device. One recent report said the Journal's iPad was kept "under padlock and key,", and the Times report this week said essentially the same thing.

"The companies must agree to keep the iPad hidden from public view, chained to tables in windowless rooms," it said. "This although the basic look of the iPad stopped being a secret in January."

Because Barnes & Noble and Amazon have only been able to test their applications in the simulator mode included in the iPhone OS 3.2 software development kit, they will not have software available for the iPad's April 3 launch date. However, the Journal, Times, NPR and Time magazine will all reportedly have applications available for download at launch.

Both Amazon and Barnes & Noble also have their own black-and-white e-ink readers, dubbed the Kindle and Nook, respectively. One recent study found that consumer interest in the Kindle dropped sharply after Apple introduced its multimedia iPad, which features a full color LCD screen.
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Nice to see Amazon smartening up.
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Seems like a good hedge against possible faltering sales of these other readers once the iPad starts selling like hotcakes.

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This article nor Amazon's website address whether you can actually buy Kindle books directly from the iPad Kindle app. Today on the iPhone, you must go through MobileSafari and I suspect that will still be true in the new app, because Amazon won't give Apple a 30% cut of revenue. If it remains that way, iBooks will have that small one-click advantage over the Kindle app.

Going in the other direction, Whispersync does allow all Kindles and Kindle apps (Mac, PC, iPhone, iPad) to keep track of the last page read. Apple has yet to reveal any iBooks-reading app for the Mac, PC, or iPhone. If they don't, then Kindle has the advantage of multiple platforms and syncing. I wonder if Amazon has a patent on that Whispersync method.
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post #5 of 51
Good move for Amazon. Amazon needs to lower the price on the Kindle and Kindle DX to make them a more attractive alternative to the iPad for those who only want a e-reader.
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I have posted several times Amazon has made the Kindle software available a long time ago. Windows users have been using it without a Kindle for a while now. Its also available soon for the Mac. So coming to the iPad wasn't exactly a great mystery.

I post this very simple fact every time the Kindle Killer nonsense starts. Amazon isn't nearly as interested at selling hardware as they are content. Unlike Apple which makes most of their money on hardware.

Lets try and keep up.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...cId=1000426311

Unless Kasper posts it, they don't read it.....
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Unless Kasper posts it, they don't read it.....

I will always miss it in that "extremeskater" is on my ignore list for all the hateful, dumb, and insulting *other* posts he makes. Maybe others are missing out on his wisdom for the same reason?
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Amazon isn't nearly as interested at selling hardware as they are content. Unlike Apple which makes most of their money on hardware.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...cId=1000426311

For a while there though, it did seem like Amazon was succumbing to iPad envy and was willing to turn its business model upside down and engage in suicidal hand-to-hand combat against Apple on Apple's home turf. Jeff Bezos' saner side seems to have finally won the day.
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I post this very simple fact every time the Kindle Killer nonsense starts. Amazon isn't nearly as interested at selling hardware as they are content. Unlike Apple which makes most of their money on hardware.

One could put forth a reasonable position that Amazon should focus on selling the digital content (music, videos, ebooks, etc) and the third-party devices for using that content (iPods, Zunes, iPads, Macs, PCs, etc). And that the Kindle was a way for Amazon to jumpstart the ebook market, and now that others (Apple plus other tablet makers) are delivering devices, Amazon could stop investing in hardware.

But we know Amazon is continuing to invest in its Kindle devices as they hire more software and hardware staff to work on color, networking, etc. Why is that? Does Amazon think they need to control the end-to-end experience (like Apple)? Is Amazon protecting itself, in case iPad is the only successful tablet, and iBooks becomes a serious competitor, and Apple throws them off the iPad?
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I will always miss it in that "extremeskater" is on my ignore list for all the hateful, dumb, and insulting *other* posts he makes. Maybe others are missing out on his wisdom for the same reason?

There's no wisdom there. He remains on ignore, and for good reason. Even this absurd notion that Amazon suddenly doesn't care about selling hardware is more than enough to avoid listening to him all together.
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I have posted several times Amazon has made the Kindle software available a long time ago. Windows users have been using it without a Kindle for a while now. Its also available soon for the Mac. So coming to the iPad wasn't exactly a great mystery.

I post this very simple fact every time the Kindle Killer nonsense starts. Amazon isn't nearly as interested at selling hardware as they are content. Unlike Apple which makes most of their money on hardware.

Lets try and keep up.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...cId=1000426311

We all know how stupid Amazon is- right?
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Good move for Amazon. Amazon needs to lower the price on the Kindle and Kindle DX to make them a more attractive alternative to the iPad for those who only want a e-reader.

I agree. If Amazon is going to stay in the Hardware game. They need to reduce, not expand the features on the Kindle DX. Make it JUST an EReader with wi-fi capabilities for updating. Then, sell them for $99. That would keep Amazon and Barnes & Noble in the game all right. Many people would just buy one for the ability to just read a book or magazine.
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Drop the personal attacks guys.

It's interesting to see that the iBookstore will be a separate download. I was wondering when Apple's "no duplicating core functionality" policy was going to step in, but if their app is not preinstalled then it's not core functionality. Clever loophole.
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I think its rather simple. Would Amazon like for you and everyone else to own a Kindle, of course. But clearly they have decided the best business model for them in this area is to push content not hardware.

Apple makes software to promote their hardware which is where the make most of their money. Other companies sell hardware even at a loss to promote and sell their software, the gaming console industry has dont this for years. Hell buy and Xbox 360 at or below cost so I can get you to buy games at 60.00 a pop that last you a week at best.

I can sorta agree with this scenario because it would mirror what happened to sega in the video game industry. Since sega makes video games for other makers instead of having its own hardware console.
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Jeff Bezos stated close to 2 years ago that the kindle store and the kindle hardware are two separate divisions and hardware will have to compete to stay current and the store will release apps for any device on the market that they see fit. Sony's e-readers don't allow external apps so they don't get the Kindle app. I am sure that the new DS will get it.
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I will always miss it in that "extremeskater" is on my ignore list for all the hateful, dumb, and insulting *other* posts he makes. Maybe others are missing out on his wisdom for the same reason?

Only the cowards set up ignore lists.
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Drop the personal attacks guys.

It's interesting to see that the iBookstore will be a separate download. I was wondering when Apple's "no duplicating core functionality" policy was going to step in, but if their app is not preinstalled then it's not core functionality. Clever loophole.

personally, i don't see the reason (other than to prevent a monopoly) as to why Apple needs to even have thier own iBooks app or iBookstore. Amazon and Barnes have been doing pretty well on their own. Well, amazon more-so. I think it would have been very interesting if Apple had Partnered with one of them, probably the less of the two evils like B&N. That would have really shaken things up. Then SJ wouldn't have had to jump through hoops to impress the NYT and all others to buy into his device. Just a thought. We'll see how the numbers work out, considering my guess as to at least 20% of new iPad purchases this year will be from people converting over from the Kindle.
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One wonders why Apple didn't just bundle the iBooks app.

"Your bookshelf is empty, visit the iBookstore to purchase books. Even free ones."
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only the cowards set up ignore lists.

Bravo!!!!!
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Drop the personal attacks guys.

It's interesting to see that the iBookstore will be a separate download. I was wondering when Apple's "no duplicating core functionality" policy was going to step in, but if their app is not preinstalled then it's not core functionality. Clever loophole.

That is the question. I don't think they've submitted it yet. Question will be if Apple will reject the kindle app when submitted. IMO, that would be a very very bad PR move.
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The same could be said for many companies when it comes to hardware. Look at printers. I bougth a really nice Samsung color laser printer this Christmas for 99.00 its even wireless. The printer was 300.00 and cut down to 99.00 for a Black Friday deal. Toner last a long time but when it is time to buy the toner for all four colors it runs about 200.00...lol.

Twice as much as the hardware.

You comment about sega is another perfect example, when the console industry got heated and sega new they were on the short end with hardware they simply decided to provide software.

Apple and Microsoft are perfect examples of one making their profit on hardware the other on software. Microsoft I believe has about a 24% net profit margin on their software, while Apple has about a 22-24% net margin on their hardware.

sega lost the hardware market because they kept marginalizing their business, how long did they expect to release sub par tech at an overpriced value? that is why they lost out, keep selling us a fake dream for premium profits.
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Off topic and I will drop it after this post. Ignore list if used wisely will save a lot of reading. I only use the list for trolls who disrupt and deviate from the topic. Too many threads are ended by trolls who successfully achieve their agenda to ruin the discussion. Most regular readers of AI can identify the trolls and it makes sense to either add the the trolls to the ignore list or to ignore them all together.
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Its sad you are so pathetic you have to put people on ignore that don't always agree with you. Are you that fragile? ...

See, this is what I mean. He can't even have an argument without resorting to name calling and a bunch of emotional stuff best left at home. And calling people "cowards" for having the temerity for blocking him is just more name calling.

The ironic thing is that people like him are actually more thin skinned and thus more "fragile" than the rest of us.

In case you're interested mr. "extremeskater" you, ... and the many alts of "teckstud" (the one person who has supported you here) constitute the entirety of my ignore list. There's literally no one who even comes close to being as angry, and having posts as bereft of intelligent content as you two.
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I don't know in many ways that sounds like Apple. The rather dated Macbook Pro 17" will still run you about 2600.00 with no upgrades at all. That seems outdated and overpriced to me.

Actually the price is $2499 for the base model. This is down about $200 when I bought my 17" MBP a year ago. During the time from when I purchased the MBP, the HDD increased from 320GB to 500 GB, the processor increased from 2.66 to 2.8GHz. The price for the options also decreased -- 8 GB RAM option from $1300 to $600 and the 256 GB SSD from $800 to $650.
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Apple for some reason seems to want to still have eveything pushed through iTunes. I don't mind using iTunes except it has become really bloated at this point.

What's that got to do with whether or not they bundle the iBooks app?
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The good that may come out of this:

1. Apple will have powerful competition.

2. More sources mean more book choices.

3. If Apple refuses to sell a book because it criticizes Steve Jobs or a pet Apple cause, Amazon will have it.

4. If Amazon tries to bully an author or publisher by yanking their "Buy" button, we can still find the book at the iBookstore. Amazon doesn't win. It just loses sales.


The bad:

1. We're still stuck with weak, proprietary standards for ebooks, with Amazon being the worst offender.

2. The market will remain fragmented, with Apple and Amazon forcing authors to sign their particular contracts and agree to their self-serving rules about marketing and pricing. The result will be more headaches for authors and more potential for bullying by Amazon and Apple's lawyers. As the Authors Guild is warning, authors should be careful about the ebook contracts they sign.

*****

What the market really needs is for distributors to step in and shield authors from Amazon's bullying, Apple's petty censorship, and the attempts by both to dictate where and how an author can sell his books. The best way to do that is to make sure that both Amazon and Apple have to source ebooks through distributors such as the business-like Ingram Digital and the funkier Smashwords. By offering ebooks at the same price to all parties, we'd have a leveler playing field.

We need a lively, really free market, with many small, specialized ebook stores rather than one dominated by two 800-pound gorillas, each more intent on pounding the other into pulp than in serving the public.

I suspect we'll go through a wild and wooly period before we see the market settle down to something sensible.

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Of course Amazon was going to adopt their iPhone/Touch app to work ideally on the iPad, what isn't yet known is when Apple will release a Mac, Win PC, or iPhone/Touch app to read eBooks. Hopefully by April 3rd when iTunes has to be updated for the iPad.

Amazon needs to get it's act together. They were greedy on content and HW trying to make both huge profit centers, and now they are alienating publishers with ultimatums. Not good, but it least it gives others more chance to get in. Come on B&N.
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Could the iBook store being downloadable from iTunes point to apple allowing 3rd party apps to use iTunes for syncing? Perhaps? Maybe they decided to use the iBook app as a test case for this?
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Yeah its kind of funny if SJ takes a dump they know about it but even thought I have posted this about 10 times now they act as if its something new.

Yes...you are a god.
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Its sad you are so pathetic you have to put people on ignore that don't always agree with you. Are you that fragile?

It has nothing to do with being fragile and everything to do with time management. There are some who's opinions are worth reading, others who aren't. The ignore list allows me to choose on how I spend my time.

I find it ironic you are fragile enough that you were compelled to call out someone for ignoring you. Then again that's part of the reason I never see your comments anyway - except I wasn't logged in previously. That has now been rectified....
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Jeff Bezos stated close to 2 years ago that the kindle store and the kindle hardware are two separate divisions and hardware will have to compete to stay current and the store will release apps for any device on the market that they see fit.

I thought as much too. It will be interesting to see how long the Kindle hardware hangs on. While I have no problem with it, esp. there are some who seem to really value e-ink, I have no use for it. For the same or similar price the iPad provides far more value for me. I fear they are going to have a pretty hard time justifying producing it in the long run.
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Only the cowards set up ignore lists.

That is a false-to-fact statement. It is inflammatory, and deliberately so. It implies support for the clear and pervasive trolling efforts that plague this site continuously. What conclusion do we derive from this? What action should be taken? Oh, wait, I know...
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That is a false-to-fact statement. It is inflammatory, and deliberately so. It implies support for the clear and pervasive trolling efforts that plague this site continuously. What conclusion do we derive from this? What action should be taken? Oh, wait, I know...

so please do not fall for the bait.
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Only the cowards set up ignore lists.

Congratulations.

You've just been added to mine.
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And back to topic...

Amazon has a great opportunity here to compete with the iBookstore, and hopefully they can. The prices will likely be very similar, which will bring the competiton to the App itself. If they can do better than iBooks, then they may do well. But iBooks looks really good, so they have a lot of work to do.
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I thought as much too. It will be interesting to see how long the Kindle hardware hangs on. While I have no problem with it, esp. there are some who seem to really value e-ink, I have no use for it. For the same or similar price the iPad provides far more value for me. I fear they are going to have a pretty hard time justifying producing it in the long run.

Amazon will probably revamp it and continue developing it. At the end of the day, though, it's destined for also-ran status.


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You have it backwards. The iBookstore has to attempt to compete with Amazon. Right now Amazon is the leader in ebook sales and Apple hasn't even entered the market yet. Its Apple that has to try and attempt and compete not Amazon.

That's about to change. The game's already over and Apple's won.
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Seems like a sound move to me. Bezo is wise to spread his options for e-readership around as many platforms as possible.

After all, the Amazon logo represents "everything from A to Z".

But I also feel that the income stream will dramatically increase, due to those with iPad's, in a very short timeframe. By "short", I mean by the end of this year.
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Amazon will probably revamp it and continue developing it. At the end of the day, though, it's destined for also-ran status.




That's about to change. The game's already over and Apple's won.

however, many people (including iphone/touch users) have adopted the Kindle App already (like me) and may stick with it. Amazon did a very good thing by developing apps for multiple platforms and has had at least 3 years for people to adopt and follow this format. Granted iTunes has done the same thing (successuflly with music and hit-or-miss with video).

Now, declaring Apple as the winner of a battle that has yet to really even launch yet is a bit premature IMO, but i don't deny that your opinion could very-well occur. Let's let time be the truth to this arguement. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
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The game's already over and Apple has won it before they even release the damn iBookstore? That reminds me of Pres Bush on the deck of the USS Lincoln declaring an end to combat operations in Iraq a few weeks after the invasion occurred. Of course we all know how that turned out. I think we will all see that Amazon has a little John Paul Jones in them and has not yet begun to fight. In the end, a battle for consumers only benefits the buyer (in most cases) through lower prices and better sales so this will be fun to see.

However, I will say that Quadra's statement is scary because is it is not beyond the realm of the possible...never underestimate the purchasing power of rabid lemmings.
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Does anyone really think Apple will prop up Amazon or B&N by allowing them on the iPad. Surely they will ban this. They don't allow for iTunes alternatives so I can't imagine they will allow for iBookstore alternatives. Am I wrong?
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