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That's very unscientific of you. GEE, LOOK, THAT NUMBER IS SMALL! SMALLLLLLLLLLLL!

If you wanted to truly show that the number was insignificant, perhaps you could provide a scientifically tested benchmark of what would be considered to be a level of pollution that is truly unhealthful. But no, you just gasp at what seems to be a small number without grasping how truly large or small it may be on the appropriate scale.

From what I can recall, the one making the argument (Hands) should be the one to back it up. So he (MJ) asked him to do so. What is your beef with that?

Hands has stated very flatly that the numbers they are looking for are not good enough and should be much more restrictive based on health concerns and such.

I read his (MJ's) reply as:

That number is very small so as to seem insignificant, please tell me why it is not with more than simple conjecture.
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post #1282 of 2708
Hands said that 60 is high, yes. Certainly he should back that up, but he also, if I recall correctly, has read a bit more of the science regarding climate change and pollution. MJ could have asked, "Is 60 actually high in the context?" Instead, he focused in on the idea that the number itself is small, regardless of scale.

Hands should cite something that does demonstrate the significance of that number he quoted.

MJ should not act like a fool and gasp at a small number, neglecting the context.

 

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post #1283 of 2708
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That's very unscientific of you. GEE, LOOK, THAT NUMBER IS SMALL! SMALLLLLLLLLLLL!

I notice you have singled me out for being unscientific when I was simply asking fo clarification from the original poster of why the number was "high." While I simply pointed out how small the number is from a different perspective.


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If you wanted to truly show that the number was insignificant...

I'm asking the original poster to support his claim that the number is "high." You are also welcome to do this if you believe it is so.


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perhaps you could provide a scientifically tested benchmark of what would be considered to be a level of pollution that is truly unhealthful.

And the original poster could have done this very same thing rather than simply claiming the number was "high" without offering any supporting evidence or reasoning and, I assume, just expecting us to accept his word on this. How unscientific of him.


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But no, you just gasp at what seems to be a small number without grasping how truly large or small it may be on the appropriate scale.

This is just hilarious. The original poster merely claims that the number is "high" without providing any supporting evidence or reasoning, I ask for clarification and support for this claim and point out that this number is indeed a very small number...and you go after me. Priceless.

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MJ could have asked, "Is 60 actually high in the context?" Instead, he focused in on the idea that the number itself is small, regardless of scale.

I was asking in context. I simply didn't word it precisely as you have. Perhaps you're being deliberately obtuse here...maybe because I'm the one involved.


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Hands should cite something that does demonstrate the significance of that number he quoted.

MJ should not act like a fool and gasp at a small number, neglecting the context.

And BR should not assume I was asking out of context.

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"As musicians we are dismayed that the BBC has invited the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra to play at the Proms on 1 September. The IPO has a deep involvement with the Israeli state not least its self-proclaimed partnership with the Israeli Defence Forces. This is the same state and army that impedes in every way it can the development of Palestinian culture, including the prevention of Palestinian musicians from travelling abroad to perform."
~ http://pulsemedia.org/2011/09/03/apa...me/#more-33658
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It would be nice to know the assumptions and probabilities behind the two estimates (cost and benefit).




It is? Care to elaborate? Because from what I can tell 100 ppb is about 0.00001%. That's 1/100,000th of a percent.

"According to scientists with the EPA, susceptible people can be adversely affected by ozone levels as low as 40 nmol/mol.

The Clean Air Act directs the EPA to set National Ambient Air Quality Standards for several pollutants, including ground-level ozone, and counties out of compliance with these standards are required to take steps to reduce their levels. In May 2008, the EPA lowered its ozone standard from 80 nmol/mol to 75 nmol/mol. This proved controversial, since the Agency's own scientists and advisory board had recommended lowering the standard to 60 nmol/mol, and the World Health Organization recommends 51 nmol/mol."
~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone

Tell it's a small number to the relatives of the estimated 12,000 people who died in the US last year because the ozone rate wasn't lowered. Tell the husbands, tell the wives, tell the children, tell the employees.

"EPA analysts project that a standard in the range of 60-70 ppb would prevent as many as 12,000 premature deaths per year from heart or lung diseases, along with thousands of cases of bronchitis, asthma and nonfatal heart attacks."
~ http://www.pennenvironment.org/repor...zone-pollution
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post #1287 of 2708
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"A recent study estimated that approximately 64,000 people in the United States die prematurely from heart and lung disease every year due to particulate air pollution -- more people than die each year in car accidents. Among children, air pollutants are associated with increased acute respiratory illness, increased incidence of respiratory symptoms and infections, episodes of longer duration, and lowered lung function.

AIR POLLUTION THREATS TO FETUSES

Exposures to carcinogens in ambient air can cause genetic damage that can be passed on to future generations. Findings reported by Columbia University researchers indicate that carcinogens in ambient air can be transferred transplacentally from the mother to the fetus. In fact, genetic damage to the fetus was found to be higher than damage to mothers, indicating the increased sensitivity of the developing fetus to the effects of carcinogenic exposures. Children in the study had decreased birthweight, length, and head circumference."
~ http://www.nrdc.org/health/kids/ocar/chap4.asp


"The team says its results were "startling," and showed the incidence of breast cancer was increased in areas with higher levels of air pollution.

"We found a link between post-menopausal breast cancer and exposure to nitrogen dioxide (NOsub2/sub), which is a marker for traffic-related air pollution", Goldberg said in the release. "Across Montreal, levels of NOsub2/sub varied between five parts per billion to over 30 parts per billion. We found that risk increased by about 25 per cent with every increase of NOsub2/sub of five parts per billion.

"Another way of saying this is that women living in the areas with the highest levels of pollution were almost twice as likely to develop breast cancer as those living in the least polluted areas."

"At the moment, we are not in a position to say with assurance that air pollution causes breast cancer. However, we can say that the possible link merits serious investigation," the team said in its release.

Studies published in the U.S, have also shown possible links between cancer and air pollution."
~ http://www.canada.com/health/Breast+...920/story.html
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post #1288 of 2708
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44434877/ns/politics/

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Perry, Romney twist records in debate

Fact-checking claims made during the Republican debate


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When Mitt Romney and Rick Perry thumped their chests over their job-creation records as governor during the Republican presidential debate Wednesday night , they left the bad parts out.


Yes, employment has grown by more than 1 million since Perry took office in Texas. But a lot of those jobs are not well paid.

True, unemployment dropped to 4.7 percent when Romney was Massachusetts governor. But the state's employment growth was among the nation's worst.


And these guys are going to save us? They left out Perry hates government involvement help but used it when he needed it.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news...ulus/index.htm

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Texas's love/hate relationship with Washington's money

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Texas Gov. Rick Perry likes to tell Washington to stop meddling in state affairs. He vocally opposed the Obama administration's 2009 stimulus program to spur the economy and assist cash-strapped states.

Perry also likes to trumpet that his state balanced its budget in 2009, while keeping billions in its rainy day fund.

But he couldn't have done that without a lot of help from ... guess where? Washington.

Turns out Texas was the state that depended the most on those very stimulus funds to plug nearly 97% of its shortfall for fiscal 2010, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures

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post #1289 of 2708
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"The No. 2 Republican in the Senate says he would quit the special deficit-reduction supercommittee if there is an effort to cut more from defense.

The forum was sponsored by the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation."
~ Reuters
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post #1290 of 2708
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44434877/ns/politics/







And these guys are going to save us? They left out Perry hates government involvement help but used it when he needed it.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news...ulus/index.htm







Only Kingsofsomewherehot will respond, the rest of them don't want to know. You're just making shit up as far as they're concerned.
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post #1291 of 2708
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Only Kingsofsomewherehot will respond, the rest of them don't want to know. You're just making shit up as far as they're concerned.

I'm sure it's an uncomfortable truth. Maybe I should have posted this in the Rick Perry thread or maybe that stupid Dead man walking thread?

Here just to make sure they see it let's post it again :

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Originally Posted by jimmac
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44434877/ns/politics/







And these guys are going to save us? They left out Perry hates government involvement help but used it when he needed it.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news...ulus/index.htm

Quote:
Perry, Romney twist records in debate

Fact-checking claims made during the Republican debate



Quote:
When Mitt Romney and Rick Perry thumped their chests over their job-creation records as governor during the Republican presidential debate Wednesday night , they left the bad parts out.


Yes, employment has grown by more than 1 million since Perry took office in Texas. But a lot of those jobs are not well paid.

True, unemployment dropped to 4.7 percent when Romney was Massachusetts governor. But the state's employment growth was among the nation's worst.


And these guys are going to save us? They left out Perry hates government involvement help but used it when he needed it.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news...ulus/index.htm


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Texas's love/hate relationship with Washington's money

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Texas Gov. Rick Perry likes to tell Washington to stop meddling in state affairs. He vocally opposed the Obama administration's 2009 stimulus program to spur the economy and assist cash-strapped states.

Perry also likes to trumpet that his state balanced its budget in 2009, while keeping billions in its rainy day fund.

But he couldn't have done that without a lot of help from ... guess where? Washington.

Turns out Texas was the state that depended the most on those very stimulus funds to plug nearly 97% of its shortfall for fiscal 2010, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures









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I'm sure it's an uncomfortable truth. Maybe I should have posted this in the Rick Perry thread or maybe that stupid Dead man walking thread?

Here just to make sure they see it let's post it again :


Qualifies as spamming.
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Qualifies as spamming.

What's the matter? Don't like the truth about these two being put out there? How typical of the party of " No ".
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What's the matter? Don't like the truth about these two being put out there? How typical of the party of " No ".

Twice, in the same topic, within a few posts of each other? Spamming. Post it if you like, but don't repeatedly post it, send a link back to your original post. This is only common sense. \
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Twice, in the same topic, within a few posts of each other? Spamming. Post it if you like, but don't repeatedly post it, send a link back to your original post. This is only common sense. \

Common sense says that since you have a particular political leaning you don't like the subject matter.
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US version of The Guardian begins today- http://www.guardian.co.uk/help/insid...aunch-homepage
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Common sense says that since you have a particular political leaning you don't like the subject matter.

Or it says that one cannot have a reasonable discussion with you on this forum.
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Or it says that one cannot have a reasonable discussion with you on this forum.

Or you could make a response about the Republican candidates' blatant lying to the American people. There's that option.

 

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Or you could make a response about the Republican candidates' blatant lying to the American people. There's that option.

I wasn't addressing you.
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I wasn't addressing you.

Nor the subject. ZING.

 

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Nor the subject. ZING.

The subject was spamming. It was what I addressed. His other subject can stand on it's own merits, or not.
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Yeah, this is what's been missing from the whole Middle East situation: A Star Trek Theme Park.
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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...ouching_w.html

A feel good story to read in the midst of all this other stuff going on. Enjoy.
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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...ouching_w.html

A feel good story to read in the midst of all this other stuff going on. Enjoy.

Wow. This is proof that there are aliens looking over us from out there in space, and they're able to communicate with us, and compelled to do good. I feel comforted. Thanks for the story.
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Wow. This is proof that there are aliens looking over us from out there in space, and they're able to communicate with us, and compelled to do good. I feel comforted. Thanks for the story.

Glad you enjoyed it.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-15071936

Our image in the world is improving?
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Hmmm...

"Al-Qaida has sent a message to the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad asking him to stop spreading conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks.

Iranian media on Wednesday reported quotes from what appears to be an article published in the latest issue of the al-Qaida English language magazine, Inspire, which described Ahmadinejad's remarks over the 11 September attacks as "ridiculous".
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...911-conspiracy
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Wrong thread. Delete.
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Wrong thread. Delete.
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"Doctors are planning the first clinical trial of ecstasy in the UK, to see whether the drug can be beneficial to the traumatised survivors of child abuse, rape and war.

Ecstasy and other illegal drugs such as LSD and magic mushrooms are potentially useful in treating people with serious psychological disturbance who cannot begin to face up to their distress, some psychiatrists and therapists believe. But because of public fear and tabloid anger about illegal drugs, scientists say they find it almost impossible to explore their potential.

The response rate was a remarkable 83% 10 out of the 12 showed significant improvement two months after the second of two MDMA therapy sessions. That compared with 25% of those on the placebo. There were no serious side-effects and no long-term problems.

The high number of troops returning with PTSD from Afghanistan and Iraq is attracting special attention to the study in the US. Only one of the 20 was a veteran, while the rest had suffered childhood sexual abuse, rape or other kinds of assault. Mithoefer's next study will be on veterans alone.

Nutt said PTSD is "an extraordinarily disabling condition and we don't have any really effective treatments. In order to deal with trauma, you have to be able to re-engage with the memory and then deal with it. For many people, as soon as the memory comes into consciousness, so does the fear and disgust".

"Interestingly, several people said after their session: 'I don't know why they call this ecstasy' because it was not an ecstatic experience. They were revisiting the trauma. It was very difficult and painful work, but the ecstasy gave them the feeling they could do it."

People spoke of getting past a barrier. One said: "I feel like I'm walking in a place I've needed to go for so long and just didn't know how to get there.

"I feel like I know myself better than I ever have before. Now I know I'm a normal person. I've been through some bad stuff, but those are things have happened to me, not who I am This is me. The medicine helps, but this is in me."

Another said: "I have respect for my emotions now (rather than fear of them). What's most comforting is knowing now I can handle difficult feelings without being overwhelmed. I realise feeling the fear and anger is not nearly as big a deal as I thought it would be."


Ecstasy will for ever be controversial. "If we get the study funded and into the public domain," said Nutt, "the Daily Mail will try to have it banned.""
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...ptsd-sufferers
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"Bill gates is throwing his weight behind French efforts to put a small tax on financial trades as a way of boosting spending on development, finance ministers from the G20 group of developed and developing countries will learn on Friday.

Despite Britain's insistence that such a levy would have to be globally agreed to be workable, draft proposals from the Microsoft founder argue that a tax would be feasible for a group of like-minded countries who decided to go it alone.

Max Lawson, spokesman for the Robin Hood Tax campaign, said Gates's backing for a transaction tax meant it was "game on". He added: "The Germans and French moving ahead to implement the tax. "George Osborne needs to support this tax and show us he is on the side of the poor and the needy, not the banks and the greedy.""
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...robin-hood-tax


Keep this in mind when you read that the Tories won't adopt it unless all countries adopt it (and keep in mind too that funding for elections in the UK is a tiny fraction compared to what's spent in the US because our laws are more restrictive) -


"The transformation of Tory funding under David Cameron has been highlighted by new research which shows the City of London dominated donations in the runup to last year's general election.

While in part this can be attributed to Cameron's greater popularity than his predecessor, Michael Howard, the amount coming from the City has more than doubled in percentage terms, and now accounts for more than half the Tories' funding. It rose from 24.7% of donations in 2005 to 50.8% in 2010."
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...mpaign-funding
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Well here's an interesting ripple in the state of afairs for this country :
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Student loans outstanding will exceed $1 trillion this year

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The amount of student loans taken out last year crossed the $100 billion mark for the first time and total loans outstanding will exceed $1 trillion for the first time this year. Americans now owe more on student loans than on credit cards, reports the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Students are borrowing twice what they did a decade ago after adjusting for inflation, the College Board reports. Total outstanding debt has doubled in the past five years a sharp contrast to consumers reducing what's owed on home loans and credit cards.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...ebt/50818676/1

Since I work for a college I can apprecitate how much education costs and how necessary it is in today's world. However how can this continue? Also trumpy should find this interesting since he thinks no one under the age of 50 has racked up a big debt.
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Well here's an interesting ripple in the state of afairs for this country :



http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...ebt/50818676/1

Since I work for a college I can apprecitate how much education costs and how necessary it is in today's world. However how can this continue? Also trumpy should find this interesting since he thinks no one under the age of 50 has racked up a big debt.

I've never claimed that no one under 50 hadn't racked up a big debt. I said quite the opposite. Please check your comprehension. I said that the Boomer defunded all the institutions after they left them (state schools, etc.) and then ran up $17 trillion in debt while promising themselves $60 trillion in benefits. The people they expect to pay for all these things are their broke kids, grandkids and whoever they are hoping to oppress that has come over the border. Expecting your broke college kid with $30k in loans and who is unemployed and the lawn service to find and payoff $77 trillion is delusional.

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Yes, learning to do basic Math is a wonderful thing.
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Yes, learning to do basic Math is a wonderful thing.

Learning to make less childish replies is even better.

I doubt you even read the article.
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I've never claimed that no one under 50 hadn't racked up a big debt. I said quite the opposite. Please check your comprehension. I said that the Boomer defunded all the institutions after they left them (state schools, etc.) and then ran up $17 trillion in debt while promising themselves $60 trillion in benefits. The people they expect to pay for all these things are their broke kids, grandkids and whoever they are hoping to oppress that has come over the border. Expecting your broke college kid with $30k in loans and who is unemployed and the lawn service to find and payoff $77 trillion is delusional.

Well I guess angry people have to have some group to blame don't they?
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For those who still have their heads in the sand :
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Climate study confirms what skeptics scoffed at: global warming is real

Koch, Gates charities pay for research backing earlier claims that came under fire


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A new climate study shows that since the mid-1950s, global average temperatures over land have risen by 0.9 degrees Celsius (1.6 degrees Fahrenheit), confirming previous studies that have found a climate that has been warming – in fits and starts – since around 1900.

Most climate scientists attribute warming since the mid-1950, at least to some degree, to carbon dioxide emissions from human activities – burning coal, oil, and to a lesser extent gas, and from land-use changes.

The latest results mirror those from earlier, independent studies by scientists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction and Research in Britain, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

These previous efforts, however, came under fire from some climate-change skeptics who said they had detected serious flaws in the analytical methods and temperature records the three groups used.


Some keep saying " No " and it keeps coming up " Yes ". Oh well.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44996377...ience_monitor/

Before you attempt to crap on it please read the article.
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For those who still have their heads in the sand :

Some keep saying " No " and it keeps coming up " Yes ". Oh well.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44996377...ience_monitor/

Before you attempt to crap on it please read the article.

I did read it and I'll gladly crap on it. No one has every claimed that there isn't some temperature variation. For global warming to be confirmed they don't have to show a temp rise since 1950 or even 1900. They also have to show it hasn't happened before and that is the crux of the controversy. The evil medieval warming period shows that warming of this magnitude has happened before and been followed by a nice small ice age. The problem for the warmists is when you point out information it makes people think that the gigantic yellow ball of gas in the sky might be at the center of all of this instead of those little ants crawling around on the surface of some blue ball thinking they are important.

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I did read it and I'll gladly crap on it. No one has every claimed that there isn't some temperature variation. For global warming to be confirmed they don't have to show a temp rise since 1950 or even 1900. They also have to show it hasn't happened before and that is the crux of the controversy. The evil medieval warming period shows that warming of this magnitude has happened before and been followed by a nice small ice age. The problem for the warmists is when you point out information it makes people think that the gigantic yellow ball of gas in the sky might be at the center of all of this instead of those little ants crawling around on the surface of some blue ball thinking they are important.

Really? I think since 1900 and the industrial revolution is extremely important.
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"The rather irrational doubt and claims of a hoax simply don't make sense, and this work might help restart the discussion about what is next," Dr. Ammann says.

The team Muller assembled is not built from the usual cast of climate-science suspects, although Judith Curry, who head's Georgia Tech's department of earth and atmospheric sciences, is a member of the team.

Instead, Muller says he drew heavily on scientists from astrophysics and particle physics with expertise in teasing convincing, reproducable evidence from enormous masses of hard-to-analyze data.

Among them: Saul Perlmutter, who earlier this month shared a Nobel Prize in Physics with two other scientists for discovering that the universe is expanding at an increasing pace. The data Dr. Perlmutter and his colleagues used to stun the world of cosmology results that others later confirmed were far less abundant and far harder to analyze than temperature records, Muller says.

Perhaps you'd like to show us your degree in physics or maybe your Nobel prize?

About the small ice age I did try to explain this once to your buddy SDW that ice ages can come on rapidly and he didn't seem to understand or understand the implications.

To claim there isn't something out of the ordinary going on is to ignor the obvious and yes the world has been much warmer before. That was due to volcanic activity. Our present climate situation for growing crops in the areas we do wouldn't have survived then. Most coastal cities wouldn't either as the oceans will rise as the ice caps melt. But I suppose you don't believe the ice caps are melting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...caps-melt.html

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Staggering Arctic map shows how impassable Northwest Passage is opening up as polar ice caps melt

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1bY83f87m

Here's your medieval ice age :
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What Caused the Medieval Little Ice Age?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/What-...eo-41383.shtml


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Volcanic activity

Throughout the Little Ice Age, the world experienced heightened volcanic activity.[64] When a volcano erupts, its ash reaches high into the atmosphere and can spread to cover the whole Earth. This ash cloud blocks out some of the incoming solar radiation, leading to worldwide cooling that can last up to two years after an eruption. Also emitted by eruptions is sulfur in the form of SO2 gas. When this gas reaches the stratosphere, it turns into sulfuric acid particles, which reflect the sun's rays, further reducing the amount of radiation reaching Earth's surface. The 1815 eruption of Tambora in Indonesia blanketed the atmosphere with ash; the following year, 1816, came to be known as the Year Without a Summer, when frost and snow were reported in June and July in both New England and Northern Europe. Other volcanoes that erupted during the era and may have contributed to the cooling include Billy Mitchell (ca. 1580 ± 20 ), Mount Parker (1641), Long Island (Papua New Guinea) (ca. 1660), and Huaynaputina (1600).[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

As you can see conditions aren't the same as those that contributed to the little ice age except for those that are man made.

You only reveal your unwillingness to see the facts trumpy.
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Federal study finds no evidence that climate change caused more severe flooding

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The USGS study — titled “Has the magnitude of floods across the USA changed with global CO2 levels” — found no clear relationship between the increase in greenhouse gas emissions blamed for climate change and the severity of flooding in three of four regions of the United States.

There is “virtually no evidence of increases or decreases in flood magnitudes” during the last 100 years in the northwestern and southeastern United States, USGS said. The study found that the northeastern United States “shows a tendency towards increases in flooding over this period.”

But the study was able to identify a clear relationship between flooding and climate change in the southwestern portion of the United States. In that region, floods have become less severe as greenhouse gas emissions have increased, the study says.

“Currently we do not see a clear pattern that enables us to understand how climate change will alter flood conditions in the future, but the USGS will continue to collect new data over time and conduct new analyses as conditions change,” said Robert Hirsch, a USGS scientist who was the lead author of the study, in a statement.

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