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post #1801 of 2499
11/1/12 at 2:17pm
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Did the Republicans suppress information that could be damaging to their position?

 

They couldn't just refute it?  (Sorry, that would take effort, logic and knowledge... if they were even right)

 

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/business/questions-raised-on-withdrawal-of-congressional-research-services-report-on-tax-rates.html?ref=business&_r=2&

 

Again we have Bergermeister in a rush to judge based on superficial (and prejudice) analysis of what happened:

 

 

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Republicans did not say whether they had asked the research service, a nonpartisan arm of the Library of Congress, to take the report out of circulation, but they were clear that they protested its tone and findings.
 
Don Stewart, a spokesman for the Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said Mr. McConnell and other senators “raised concerns about the methodology and other flaws.” Mr. Stewart added that people outside of Congress had also criticized the study and that officials at the research service “decided, on their own, to pull the study pending further review.”
 
Senate Republican aides said they protested both the tone of the report and its findings. Aides to Mr. McConnell presented a bill of particulars to the research service that included objections to the use of the term “Bush tax cuts” and the report’s reference to “tax cuts for the rich,” which Republicans contended was politically freighted.

 

So they (along with others) raised concerns (which sounds like the first step in attempting to refute it) and spelled out specific issues they were concerned with (including apparently somewhat partisan rhetoric from this "non partisan" group*.)

 

But it gets even better:

 

 

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They also protested on economic grounds, saying that the author, Thomas L. Hungerford, was looking for a macroeconomic response to tax cuts within the first year of the policy change without sufficiently taking into account the time lag of economic policies. Further, they complained that his analysis did not take into account other policies affecting growth, such as the Federal Reserve’s decisions on interest rates.
 
“There were a lot of problems with the report from a real, legitimate economic analysis perspective,” said Antonia Ferrier, a spokeswoman for the Senate Finance Committee’s Republicans. “We relayed them to C.R.S. It was a good discussion. We have a good, constructive relationship with them. Then it was pulled.”

 

My goodness, this sure sounds like someone is trying to refute the study in the normal and reasonable ways one would refute things.

 

*Whose study was authored by: Mr. Hungerford, a specialist in public finance who earned his economic doctorate from the University of Michigan, has contributed at least $5,000 this election cycle to a combination of Mr. Obama’s campaign, the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

 

Now can we be serious?

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post #1802 of 2499
11/1/12 at 3:57pm

Mittens criticizes the likely results of his own plan, albeit untruthfully?

 

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/how-romneys-tax-plan-would-encourage-offshoring/?src=recg


Edited by Bergermeister - 11/1/12 at 7:46pm

 

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post #1803 of 2499
11/2/12 at 6:18am
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Mittens criticizes the likely results of his own plan, albeit untruthfully?

 

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/how-romneys-tax-plan-would-encourage-offshoring/?src=recg

 

I'm really not sure what your statement means in relation to this article, but the article itself is completely bogus.

 

The author states that under current tax policy, "taxes on foreign profits of American firms are deferred until the companies repatriate the money to the United States."  The author then goes on to state that due to the credit given for taxes paid on foreign profits,"there is no double taxation".  How exactly does this make any sense at all?  If a company makes $1 million in say China with a corporate tax rate of 25% which means that the company now has $750k to bring back into the US.  I assume that this credit means that the company now pays taxes only on the $750k which they are bringing back into the US and they are being taxed at the 35% corporate tax rate which means that they pay another $262,500 in US taxes on this money they are bringing back.  This means that the company is paying an effective tax rate of over 50%.  How is this not double taxation?  How is this fair (since the left loves that concept) when in the US a company that makes $1 million would only pay the US 35% rate once which would be 15% less?  Now...  Since I'm not an accountant, please let me know if this math is somehow wrong.

 

I'm not sure why the federal government should be allowed to tax profits in a foreign country.  To me it seems that the current system only encourages companies not to bring those profits back into the country where they may be used for business purposes here.  If the company above leaves the money in China, isn't it logical that they would expand their business in China with that money when they could be expanding operations here if they could bring that money back without incurring the additional tax burden?  Seems to me that Mitt has the right idea here. 

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post #1804 of 2499
11/2/12 at 7:44am

Yet another incident involving a US serviceman in Okinawa.

 

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/society.html

 

What is irritating the Okinawans:

 

History.

 

Deployment of the Osprey VTOL. 

 

A rape last month.

 

Now this.

 

 

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Watching Japanese politics, the antics of US personnel (and the US military) here, the antics of China and Korea recently, and politics in the US is enough to really cause the head to spin.


Edited by Bergermeister - 11/2/12 at 7:55am

 

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post #1805 of 2499
11/2/12 at 7:46am

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post #1806 of 2499
11/2/12 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post

Mittens criticizes the likely results of his own plan, albeit untruthfully?

 

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/how-romneys-tax-plan-would-encourage-offshoring/?src=recg

 

I'm really not sure what your statement means in relation to this article, but the article itself is completely bogus.

 

The author states that under current tax policy, "taxes on foreign profits of American firms are deferred until the companies repatriate the money to the United States."  The author then goes on to state that due to the credit given for taxes paid on foreign profits,"there is no double taxation".  How exactly does this make any sense at all?  If a company makes $1 million in say China with a corporate tax rate of 25% which means that the company now has $750k to bring back into the US.  I assume that this credit means that the company now pays taxes only on the $750k which they are bringing back into the US and they are being taxed at the 35% corporate tax rate which means that they pay another $262,500 in US taxes on this money they are bringing back.  This means that the company is paying an effective tax rate of over 50%.  How is this not double taxation?  How is this fair (since the left loves that concept) when in the US a company that makes $1 million would only pay the US 35% rate once which would be 15% less?  Now...  Since I'm not an accountant, please let me know if this math is somehow wrong.

 

I'm not sure why the federal government should be allowed to tax profits in a foreign country.  To me it seems that the current system only encourages companies not to bring those profits back into the country where they may be used for business purposes here.  If the company above leaves the money in China, isn't it logical that they would expand their business in China with that money when they could be expanding operations here if they could bring that money back without incurring the additional tax burden?  Seems to me that Mitt has the right idea here. 

 

The tax credit means, as far as I understand it, that the company is taxed on the full profits, but the amount of tax it already paid abroad is deducted from what it owes. So the article is correct that the total tax paid is just what would have been paid if the profit had been made in the US, unless the foreign tax rate is higher than the US rate.

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post #1807 of 2499
11/3/12 at 8:14am

Widening voter fraud investigation.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/virginia-voter-fraud-case-expands-to-focus-on-gop-firm/2012/11/02/76285252-24eb-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop

 

 

GOP firm under investigation

 

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post #1808 of 2499
11/3/12 at 11:02am
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Widening voter fraud investigation.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/virginia-voter-fraud-case-expands-to-focus-on-gop-firm/2012/11/02/76285252-24eb-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop

 

 

GOP firm under investigation

 

"Voter" fraud is a misnomer. It's not voters who are committing crimes, but those involved in the election process itself. One of the worst examples of this was in Florida 2000, when DataBase Technologies struck thousands of registered Democratic voters off the election register in Florida. When Al Gore was about to pull ahead in that notorious recount, the conservative leaning USSC halted the recount, because, in the words of former SC judge Rehnquist: "to continue the recount would seriously endanger the political career of George W. Bush". 

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post #1809 of 2499
11/3/12 at 3:05pm

More vote messing... in Ohio by.. drumroll.... a Republican, again.

 

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/11/03/1134981/last-minute-ohio-directive-could-trash-legal-votes-and-swing-the-election/?mobile=nc

 

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post #1810 of 2499
11/4/12 at 8:56am

Florida voting.

 

So fair.

 

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Judge just ordered extension to voting hours in Orange County after station closed down due to suspicious package.

 

Why didn't the wonderful caring leader Scott extend the hours himself?

 

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post #1811 of 2499
11/4/12 at 9:03am
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Florida voting.

 

So fair.

 

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Judge just ordered extension to voting hours in Orange County after station closed down due to suspicious package.

 

Why didn't the wonderful caring leader Scott extend the hours himself?

 

Do you have a link to this story?

 

Scott who?

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post #1812 of 2499
11/4/12 at 9:29am
Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post
Do you have a link to this story?

 

Scott who?

 

Update on the story: the same places, which were closed for four hours, now have early voting extended for four hours to compensate.

 

No link, just saw it on a TV.

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post #1813 of 2499
11/4/12 at 1:29pm

Here's a link:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/04/florida-early-voting_n_2073119.html

 

 

 

 

Scott = RICK SCOTT, the GOP governor of Florida who is doing his best to rig the election.  He's only been in the news for the past couple of months for election problems...  My neighbor here in Japan knows of him and the problems.  I would hope Americans did.


Edited by Bergermeister - 11/4/12 at 2:48pm

 

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post #1814 of 2499
11/4/12 at 3:02pm

Nevada woman tries to vote twice.

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/roxanne-rubin-nevada-voting-twice_n_2068999.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

 

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post #1815 of 2499
11/4/12 at 3:07pm

The people are crying:

 

LET US VOTE!

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57544879/confusion-at-the-polls-in-miami/

 

Cars are being towed.

 

Crist is upset.

 

He posted:  Let the people vote.


Edited by Bergermeister - 11/4/12 at 3:25pm

 

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post #1816 of 2499
11/4/12 at 4:00pm
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The people are crying:

 

LET US VOTE!

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57544879/confusion-at-the-polls-in-miami/

 

Cars are being towed.

 

Crist is upset.

 

He posted:  Let the people vote.

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post #1817 of 2499
11/4/12 at 4:37pm
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Nevada woman tries to vote twice.

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/roxanne-rubin-nevada-voting-twice_n_2068999.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

 

Yeah. I hear in Chicago they just tell her to go to the back of the line. If she's a Democrat.

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post #1818 of 2499
11/4/12 at 5:15pm

NAACP takes over voting station to advocate for Obama.

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post #1819 of 2499
11/5/12 at 1:23am

Crist says it is voter suppression.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/04/charlie-crist-rick-scott-florida-early-voting_n_2073661.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

 

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post #1820 of 2499
11/5/12 at 1:56am
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Crist says it is voter suppression.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/04/charlie-crist-rick-scott-florida-early-voting_n_2073661.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Let's hope it disgusts enough people to tip undecideds to vote for Obama. 

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post #1821 of 2499
11/5/12 at 2:18am
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Let's hope it disgusts enough people to tip undecideds to vote for Obama. 

 

 

 

And Mittens is asking people to vote for love of country.  This is how the GOP shows it.

 

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post #1822 of 2499
11/5/12 at 3:19am

Mittens is a hypocrite and one slime ball who would do anything in his power to get elected.I disliked him when he was Governor years ago in Mass.This man is complete plastic.Why  would the seniors want him for president I do not know?
 

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11/5/12 at 4:22am
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Let's hope it disgusts enough people to tip undecideds to vote for Obama. 

 

 

Let's hope word gets around.

 

The GOP raged on and on about voter fraud and how bad it is, and yet here they are suppressing votes (according to a GOPper!).  

 

Hypocrites.  And they will probably ignore the current issues that they set up that will affect millions of voters.


Edited by Bergermeister - 11/5/12 at 5:21am

 

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post #1824 of 2499
11/5/12 at 5:14am
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Let's hope word gets around.

 

The GOP raged on and on about voter fraud, found none and yet here they are suppressing votes (according to a GOPper!).  

None? You mean like the faked voter registration from acorn or the Obama operatives that illegally registered to vote in Ohio last time or the NBP that Holder refused to prosecute or all the booze and cig' for votes efforts that crop up every election. Sounds like none to me.

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post #1825 of 2499
11/5/12 at 5:38am

And another article:

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/no-one-in-america-should-have-to-wait-7-hours-to-vote/264506/

 

"We ask our sons and daughters, our husbands and wives, to give their lives abroad for noble concepts like "freedom" and "democracy." And yet we are content as a nation, and as a people, to tolerate another cycle of election rules that require our fellow citizens to sacrifice a measure of basic human dignity simply to exercise their right to vote."

 

And then there's Ohio:

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/ohios-provisional-ballot-order-the-biggest-legal-story-of-the-weekend/264498/

 

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And the elite of the liberal elite media papers:  The New York Times

 

Editorial

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/opinion/sunday/voting-rights-upholding-democracy.html?_r=0

 

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Are we looking at a coup?

 

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The right to vote is mentioned in the GOP's beloved Constitution FIVE times, more than any other right, yet they strive to deny that right to their fellow citizens.


Edited by Bergermeister - 11/5/12 at 7:44pm

 

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post #1826 of 2499
11/6/12 at 1:19am

Florida to charge some students more than others based on major?

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/11/should-science-majors-pay-less-for-college-than-art-majors/264417/

 

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post #1827 of 2499
11/6/12 at 3:25am

It is disgusting what went on in this election with racism involved against Obama and the miserable CEO'S who threaten to make honest decent employees who work for them want them to vote for Romney. Is Romney this hard up for votes? He is an opportunist in every way conceivable!Obama is no saint but 100 times better than Romney.Romney is a weasel and a liar to boot!
 

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post #1828 of 2499
11/9/12 at 12:57pm

American hero General Patreus, also hero of the Republicans and CIA Director for President Obama, resigned today because he couldn't control that fishing rod behind the zipper in his pants.

 

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11/9/12 at 1:56pm
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American hero General Patreus, also hero of the Republicans and CIA Director for President Obama, resigned today because he couldn't control that fishing rod behind the zipper in his pants.

 

There has to be more to his resignation than an affair. I mean, if the highest office in the land can be occupied by an adulterer (Bill Clinton), why must Patraeus step down?

 

Wait, what's this? He was slated to testify on Benghazi next week?

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11/9/12 at 2:43pm
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Wait, what's this? He was slated to testify on Benghazi next week?

 

How wonderfully convenient.

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11/9/12 at 7:35pm

Bloomberg Strikes Again: NYC Bans Food Donations To The Homeless

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11/10/12 at 2:51am

I do not believe this at all with Bloomberg.This is absurdity.
 

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post #1833 of 2499
11/10/12 at 9:54pm
Another Republican out of touch with reality. You would think eating out of garbage cans would be a little less healthy for the homeless than eating donated food that has to be checked by the person receiving it.
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11/10/12 at 9:59pm
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Another Republican out of touch with reality...

 

How interesting.

 

It looks to me like Michael Bloomberg's stance on most issues is far more consistent with being a Democrat (the party he was a part of for many years...most of his life in fact.)

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post #1835 of 2499
11/10/12 at 10:03pm

He's a long-time Democrat who switched allegiances to Republican to run for Mayor, and then promptly left the GOP after being elected to a second term. He's now Independent.

 

Again, when you guys have to outright lie to make your point, it only shows how pathetic your own politics are.

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11/10/12 at 10:54pm
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He's a long-time Democrat who switched allegiances to Republican to run for Mayor, and then promptly left the GOP after being elected to a second term. He's now Independent.

Again, when you guys have to outright lie to make your point, it only shows how pathetic your own politics are.

Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware he left the GOP. That doesn't make me a liar.

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On economics, foreign, and domestic issues, Bloomberg tends to be conservative. He opposed a timeline for withdrawal from the Iraq War, and criticized those who favored one. Economically, he supports government involvement in issues such as public welfare and climate change, while being strongly in favor of free trade, pro-business, and describing himself as a fiscal conservative because he balanced the city's budget.
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post #1837 of 2499
11/10/12 at 11:14pm
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Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware he left the GOP. That doesn't make me a liar.
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My apologies for jumping to conclusions. But it has been strange around here. We've got Berger now claiming that Romney's run for President was all about the money and fresh-from-crawling-out-of-his-hole jimmac claiming he never thought Gore or Kerry would beat Bush.

 

If you didn't know better, you would think the GOP won the presidency last week. I've never seen such stuff coming from the winning partisans before.

 

 

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On economics, foreign, and domestic issues, Bloomberg tends to be conservative. He opposed a timeline for withdrawal from the Iraq War, and criticized those who favored one. Economically, he supports government involvement in issues such as public welfare and climate change, while being strongly in favor of free trade, pro-business, and describing himself as a fiscal conservative because he balanced the city's budget.

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If it's one thing that was reinforced this cycle, it's that a person's not liberal or conservative based on war policy.

 

Obama's more drone happy than any previous president and Guantanamo is still open, and the left completely let that slide in favour of entitlements, abortion and same-sex marriage.

 

That's where left vs. right is judged these days. And where does Bloomberg stand on those? 

 

Besides, this argument started largely by church groups being banned from donating outside food to shelters. In addition to Bloomberg's kicking churches entirely out of renting public schools. If Bloomberg is such a Republican, why would he be treating the party's base like this?

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11/10/12 at 11:16pm

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The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
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11/11/12 at 7:40am
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Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware he left the GOP. That doesn't make me a liar.

 

Maybe not, but...

 

 

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So? You're picking one position where he might align with Republicans out of dozens where he aligns with Democrats? And you ignore that he was a Democrat for most of his life and, apparently, switched to the Republican ticket just for convenience to run for Mayor? C'mon.

 

Worse, the article you were responding to is a situation where he is taking the most liberal/progressive/leftist/Democratic position possible. He knows best what people need and he's going to use his power to make sure they get it, the unintended consequences be damned. He's become the ultimate manifestation of what nanny-progressives want.

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11/11/12 at 4:57pm

I saw around teh net that some Republicans are having a hissy fit (yeah, another one) about the timing of the news regarding Patreus.

 

Turns out the GOP's own Eric Cantor (House Majority Leader) knew of the situation way back in October.

 

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/11/us/petraeus-cia-resignation/

 

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You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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