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I saw around teh net that some Republicans are having a hissy fit (yeah, another one) about the timing of the news regarding Patreus.

 

Turns out the GOP's own Eric Cantor (House Majority Leader) knew of the situation way back in October.

 

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/11/us/petraeus-cia-resignation/

 

It appears to me that Cantor and Reichert acted entirely appropriately in not disseminating that information.

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Yeah on second reading it looks OK.

 

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post #1843 of 2700

Do you think this is a cover up for the Bengazi incident that happened a few months ago?
 

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Do you think this is a cover up for the Bengazi incident that happened a few months ago?
 

 

 

CIA is anybody's guess.  The Republicans will try to make a huge fuss over it, recklessly (whether a cover-up or not), because they are desperate right now to divert attention from their own failings and desire to not take responsibility for losing the election (despite being the party of personal responsibility).

 

 

If something improper was going on with Libya, I hope it gets cleared up, but it needs to be done so that more lives are not put at risk; I fear that the GOP, in their zeal to divert attention from themselves and to make Obama look bad, will endanger more lives and operations. Their continuous negativity only hurts the position of the US on the world stage, a concept they can't comprehend.

 

Mittens' group last week had a foreign policy advisor sit down with Japan's NHK to relate Mittens' differences from Obama, despite polls showing Mittens had little chance of winning (which the Japanese were following).  The advisor pretty quickly laid out differences with Obama's administration which people were asking me about today.  However, their questions went more to the tune: why do the Republicans hate Obama and America so much that they would strive to hurt American foreign policy just to hurt Obama?  And: Where did the "united" go from the United States?  And: aren't many of Mittens' advisors the same people who started the Iraq war based on lies and led to more American deaths than the 9/11 attacks?  

 

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post #1845 of 2700

His new name "Banberg".

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"Under proposals presented to the city council on Monday, Socialist mayor Bertrand Delanoë intends to outlaw by September 2014 the use of cars and utility vehicles more than 17 years old and lorries or buses more than 18 years old.

Motorcycles built before 2004 will also be forbidden, as the mayor said they were the "most polluting and noisiest".

 

They are part of a plan to turn Paris into a Low Emission Zone, cutting emissions by 30 per cent by 2015. Failure to comply with European air pollution norms could see Brussels slap a 100 million-euro fine on France in 2016.

Air pollution is responsible for 43,000 deaths per year in France and is estimated to take six months off Parisians' lives compared to those outside the capital."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9672713/Old-bangers-and-classic-cars-to-be-banned-from-Paris.html

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post #1847 of 2700

US to become less foreign energy dependent...

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324073504578115152144093088.html

 

 

Oooh!


Edited by Bergermeister - 11/12/12 at 8:51pm

 

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post #1848 of 2700

That is a great law which to bad the U.S. should have and does not. To many old clunkers on the road which should be eliminated completely regarding gas guzzlers.Screwing up the environment completely.
 

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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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post #1850 of 2700
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Not surprising. As law enforcement agencies catch up with technology and as traditional communication methods continue to change we should probably expect to see the trend continue. Provided that they remain within the law, which they probably will have to when demanding data from companies like Google, then the only concern should be that of ensuring that we don't let the laws get too lax on this kind of thing.

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Not surprising. As law enforcement agencies catch up with technology and as traditional communication methods continue to change we should probably expect to see the trend continue. Provided that they remain within the law, which they probably will have to when demanding data from companies like Google, then the only concern should be that of ensuring that we don't let the laws get too lax on this kind of thing.

 

Do you see any problem with warrantless monitoring of electronic communications by the government?

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

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post #1852 of 2700
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Not surprising. As law enforcement agencies catch up with technology and as traditional communication methods continue to change we should probably expect to see the trend continue. Provided that they remain within the law, which they probably will have to when demanding data from companies like Google, then the only concern should be that of ensuring that we don't let the laws get too lax on this kind of thing.

 

Do you see any problem with warrantless monitoring of electronic communications by the government?

 

It really depends on what kind of monitoring you mean - targeted or untargeted. Broad keyword monitoring seems like an effective CT/LE measure, has had reasonable success I think, and is not particularly intrusive unless it catches you. Targeted, in the US, still depends on citizenship IIRC.

 

Personally, under a democratically elected government, I don't much care about surveillance, and I think that for all kinds of reasons one should regard communications as unsecure. You can always use encryption if you really care.

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It really depends on what kind of monitoring you mean - targeted or untargeted. Broad keyword monitoring seems like an effective CT/LE measure, has had reasonable success I think, and is not particularly intrusive unless it catches you. Targeted, in the US, still depends on citizenship IIRC.

 

Personally, under a democratically elected government, I don't much care about surveillance, and I think that for all kinds of reasons one should regard communications as unsecure. You can always use encryption if you really care.

 

Thanks for clarifying your position.

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"One of Congress' most outspoken anti-war members, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio),is calling on Apple to stop blocking a drone-strike tracking app and plans to hold a congressional briefing this Friday about drones. Apple has prohibited the app, called Drones+, saying it was "objectionable" and "crude," according to the program's designer, Josh Begley.

"What is 'objectionable and crude' are the drone strikes themselves," Kucinich told The Hill. "I strongly support any effort to bring increased transparency to our combat drone program. This program continues to operate without transparency and accountability."

It seemed like a simple enough idea for an iPhone app: Send users a pop-up notice whenever a flying robots kills someone in one of America's many undeclared wars. But Apple keeps blocking the Drones+ program from its App Store -- and therefore, from iPhones everywhere. The Cupertino company says the content is "objectionable and crude," according to Apple's latest rejection letter.

 

It's the third time in a month that Apple has turned Drones+ away, says Josh Begley, the program's New York-based developer. The company's reasons for keeping the program out of the App Store keep shifting. First, Apple called the bare-bones application that aggregates news of U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia "not useful." Then there was an issue with hiding a corporate logo. And now, there's this crude content problem."

 

The New America Foundation, which tracks the strikes, reports on its website that "337 CIA drone strikes in Pakistan have killed an estimated 1,908 to 3,225 people since 2004, of which 1,618 - 2,769 were reported to be militants. This means the average non-militant casualty rate over the life of the program is 15-16 percent. In 2012 it has been 1-2 percent, down sharply from its peak in 2006 of over 60 percent."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/dennis-kucinich-apple-drone-app_n_2124230.html?utm_hp_ref=technology&ir=Technology

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post #1855 of 2700
I know some of you may believe differently, but it's such a crying shame that Kucinich will lose his seat in January. Cabinet position, perhaps, or is Obama too conservative?
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I know some of you may believe differently, but it's such a crying shame that Kucinich will lose his seat in January. Cabinet position, perhaps, or is Obama too conservative?

 

I think the term you're looking for is not conservative, but statist, or authoritarian.

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post #1857 of 2700

Apparently, you can take down an entire city's LTE network for less than $700.

 

LTE technology was largely designed and implemented post-9/11. Government oversight at its finest?

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I know some of you may believe differently, but it's such a crying shame that Kucinich will lose his seat in January. Cabinet position, perhaps, or is Obama too conservative?

I think the term you're looking for is not conservative, but statist, or authoritarian.

Which describes what most people recognize as today's conservatives perfectly.
post #1859 of 2700
Perhaps Kucinich can win a senate seat in 2014.
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Which describes what most people recognize as today's conservatives perfectly.

 

And also today's liberals/progressives.

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post #1861 of 2700

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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post #1862 of 2700

People used to joke that Twinkies could survive a nuclear blaster or zombie attack. What they couldn't survive however was extended Obama policies and unions.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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People used to joke that Twinkies could survive a nuclear blaster or zombie attack. What they couldn't survive however was extended Obama policies and unions.

 

But can't Obama just bail them out or print more money or give a moving speech and make everything better?

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People used to joke that Twinkies could survive a nuclear blaster or zombie attack. What they couldn't survive however was extended Obama policies and unions.

 

I guess The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union was not big enough (e.g., UAW) to warrant a taxpayer-funded bailout.

 

But now that this line has been crossed, perhaps the tax payers will want to buy the Hostess Brands at auction and run the company.

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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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post #1866 of 2700

POTUS visits Myanmar.  American press pays little attention because War In Israel (WII) is so much more fun.

 

Wall Street Journal worries that he is taking victory lap for W's work; couldn't care less about Myanmar and its people.

 

 

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Sharon's son says to level Gaza.  As for as I'm concerned, the US should withdraw all support for Israel over such a statement; every last dime.


Edited by Bergermeister - 11/19/12 at 12:44am

 

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I do not believe Bloomberg will due this.Where do you get your information from the Inquirer!

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Here's a quote from someone most of the American people have probably never heard of, Englishman John Locke-

 

"The necessity of pursuing happiness is the foundation of liberty".

~ John Locke (1632-1704)

 

 

More info for those who want to know the truth about Americas beginnings- http://www.pursuit-of-happiness.org/history-of-happiness/john-locke/ 

 

 

So to sum up, because John Locke also wrote "Man has a right to life, liberty and property". Basically all Jefferson did was combine both of John Locke's quotes to come up with- "certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

 

 

John Locke (1632-1704) was a major English philosopher, whose political writings in particular helped pave the way for the French and American revolutions.    He coined the phrase ‘pursuit of happiness,’ in his book An Essay Concerning Human Understanding, and thus this website is deeply indebted to him.  Thomas Jefferson took the phrase “pursuit of happiness” from Locke and incorporated it into his famous statement of a peoples’ inalienable right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” in the Declaration of Independence."


Edited by Hands Sandon - 11/19/12 at 11:20am
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There has never been a country called Palestine in the entire history of this planet. SDW is right, it has never existed.

Erm... So what was the British Mandate for Palestine? 

 

and why then did the Jewish pro-zionist terrorists murder so many, British troops and innocent people, in attempt to achieve their aim of having their own space in the land that they themselves spent years calling Palestine?

 

The suggestion that Palestine never existed is bizarre, to suggest that it was once a region of Jordan is even more odd. Palestine, as an official state, once included the regions of what are now called Jordan and Israel. With jordan being created in 1946 and isreal 2 years later.

 

It does worry me that there seem to be people here that have demonstrated a higher than average IQ yet who are willing to allow accept whatever those with axes to grind would like them them to believe, without question. Denial that Palestine existed has worrying parallels with the denial that the holocaust took place.   

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It really depends on what kind of monitoring you mean - targeted or untargeted. Broad keyword monitoring seems like an effective CT/LE measure, has had reasonable success I think, and is not particularly intrusive unless it catches you. Targeted, in the US, still depends on citizenship IIRC.

 

Personally, under a democratically elected government, I don't much care about surveillance, and I think that for all kinds of reasons one should regard communications as unsecure. You can always use encryption if you really care.

 Valid points but I believe that failure to provide an encryption key is an offence in most parts of the world.

 

BTW don't we already have Echelon or is that just a myth/catch-all term?

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So to sum up, because John Locke also wrote "Man has a right to life, liberty and property". Basically all Jefferson did was combine both of John Locke's quotes to come up with- "certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

 

 

Inalienable rights? Man made constructs or edicts passed down from some kind of deity? Personally I adhere to the principle that they are the carrots on the stick, held just in front of our snouts by the owners of the carrots whilst they grind us in to the ground.

 

Frankly, Liberty and Happiness, equally are subjective terms whose intent is to instill a false sense of autonomy.  99 per cent of us are, and will always be slightly better than, wage slaves. We live on a diet of aspirational dreams re-inforced by the media. Where has it got us? Most kids want to be singers, actually they just want to be famous for the sake of being famous.

 

For all of it's faults the system that we currently have at least affords us a generous degree of stability whilst retaining a veneer of meritocracy/fairplay.

 

If I wasn't so lazy/such a cynic I would revolt, can't be arsed though. Whoever weilds power will ensure that they put themselves at the top of the heap. And lo it is written....

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 Denial that Palestine existed has worrying parallels with the denial that the holocaust took place.   

There's never been a country called Palestine that has ever existed. It's known as a geographic region encompassing various territories, and it's also gone by other names throughout the course of history. It's also uncertain if there will ever be a country called Palestine in the future, judging by how things are going.

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POTUS visits Myanmar.  American press pays little attention because War In Israel (WII) is so much more fun.

 

Wall Street Journal worries that he is taking victory lap for W's work; couldn't care less about Myanmar and its people.

 

 

It's Burma, Myanmar is what supporters of the military dictatorship call it.

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But can't Obama just bail them out or print more money or give a moving speech and make everything better?

He can give them all free Obamaphones, so that they can call around and seek new employment opportunities.

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There's never been a country called Palestine that has ever existed. It's known as a geographic region encompassing various territories, and it's also gone by other names throughout the course of history. It's also uncertain if there will ever be a country called Palestine in the future, judging by how things are going.

I am not sure where you garner your knowledge from but you seem to have the wrong end of the stick.

 

In 1922 the League of Nations set the Mandate for Palestine, defining it's boundaries and referring to it hence forth as a country, albeit it under British rule until such a time that it could stand on its own feet.

 

As a former part of the Ottoman Empire the vast majority of the population were Muslim. Never-the-less the plan was to partition the country in time and to include a separate state for members of the Jewish faith. The oft touted suggestion that Israel exists because of the Allies’ guilt at ignoring their plight at the hands of the Nazis is largely a myth.

 

Ongoing fears of an Arab uprising, the continued terrorist attacks by Jewish Zionist organisations, lack of support in the UK for further deaths of British troops at the hands of Irgun following the end of WW2 and duplicity by the US resulted in the British announcing that they end the mandate and go home for a cup of tea.

 

The legal entity known as Palestine was eventually broken up into Jordan, Israel and the remainder became a grey zone, commonly referred to as Palestine but void of any (UN) legal status. In time a series of incidents resulted in the Israeli authorities to occupying some of these grey areas. Interestingly these are often legally referred to as the Occupied Palestine Territories.

 

Whilst the UN does not recognise the current state of Palestine, the majority of countries in the world seem to have no problem with allowing Palestinian embassies in their territories.

 

Harking back to my previous concerns about Palestinian/Holocaust denial- I guess that there will always be people that dislike others enough to falsify history to justify their abuse of them. With regard to this example the most disturbing element is the citing of earlier oppression at the hands of one evil to perform evil upon others. Unfortunately ManKind seldom learns from history.

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...In 1922 the League of Nations set the Mandate for Palestine, defining it's boundaries and referring to it hence forth as a country, albeit it under British rule until such a time that it could stand on its own feet...

 

...resulted in the British announcing that they end the mandate and go home for a cup of tea.

 

...The legal entity known as Palestine was eventually broken up into Jordan, Israel and the remainder became a grey zone, commonly referred to as Palestine but void of any (UN) legal status.

 

Your own post confirms that there has never been a country on this planet called Palestine.

 

Nobody claimed there had not been plans for one, but it never came into existence.

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...In 1922 the League of Nations set the Mandate for Palestine, defining it's boundaries and referring to it hence forth as a country, albeit it under British rule until such a time that it could stand on its own feet...

 

...resulted in the British announcing that they end the mandate and go home for a cup of tea.

 

...The legal entity known as Palestine was eventually broken up into Jordan, Israel and the remainder became a grey zone, commonly referred to as Palestine but void of any (UN) legal status.

 

Your own post confirms that there has never been a country on this planet called Palestine.

 

Nobody claimed there had not been plans for one, but it never came into existence.

 

Is anyone arguing that the situation would be substantively different if there had, at any time, been a formally recognized Palestinian State? If not then this point is moot.

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Is anyone arguing that the situation would be substantively different if there had, at any time, been a formally recognized Palestinian State?

 

No, I think it was pretty clear what the argument was about.

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Your own post confirms that there has never been a country on this planet called Palestine.

 

Nobody claimed there had not been plans for one, but it never came into existence.

 Sorry but did you miss the bit about the League of Nations defining Palestine as a country? How can the foremost authority defining a land mass as a country prove that it was never a country?

 

The fact that the Anglo-American Allied Powers/UN later changed their plans does not undo the fact that Palestine from the 20s to late 40's was officially recognised as a country by the fore-runner to the United Nations. The League of Nations was quite happy to refer to Palestine throughout this period as a country, not a region, not a country-in-waiting but a country.

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Article 22 of the League of Nations

 

"Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone."

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