Miscellaneous News. - Page 56

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 

Decreasing unemployment rate with increasing labor force participation would be a good start.

The baby boomers are retiring, you moron. What on earth do you expect to happen?

Retirement reduces the workforce pool and employment number equally, so should have no effect on the participation rate. Other than job losses, more young people coming onto the job market is what produces the downward pressure on the participation rate.

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Originally Posted by tonton 

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 

Decreasing unemployment rate with increasing labor force participation would be a good start.

The baby boomers are retiring, you moron. What on earth do you expect to happen?

 

Retirement reduces the workforce pool and employment number equally, so should have no effect on the participation rate. Other than job losses, more young people coming onto the job market is what produces the downward pressure on the participation rate.

Not the baby boomers who prior to retiring had been unemployed, it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by tonton 

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Originally Posted by muppetry 

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Originally Posted by tonton 

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 

Decreasing unemployment rate with increasing labor force participation would be a good start.

The baby boomers are retiring, you moron. What on earth do you expect to happen?

 

Retirement reduces the workforce pool and employment number equally, so should have no effect on the participation rate. Other than job losses, more young people coming onto the job market is what produces the downward pressure on the participation rate.

Not the baby boomers who prior to retiring had been unemployed, it doesn't.

That's true - that would decrease the workforce pool and increase the participation rate though - the opposite of the current trend. 

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Originally Posted by tonton 

The baby boomers are retiring, you moron. What on earth do you expect to happen?

How interesting that you engage in name-calling implying someone is stupid while simultaneously demonstrating your own ignorance. Good work. Very efficient.

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 

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Originally Posted by tonton 

The baby boomers are retiring, you moron. What on earth do you expect to happen?

 

How interesting that you engage in name-calling implying someone is stupid while simultaneously demonstrating your own ignorance. Good work. Very efficient.

Something you practice all of the time.

Name calling is immature on your part. Grow up!
 

Two years have passed since the quake and tsunami left thousands dead, missing, homeless in Japan.

Today is also the day North Korea says it will toss out the armistice that stopped hostilities in the Korean War (the war never actually ended).

Finally, even China has grown impatient with NK.  Sadly, NK has gone off its crackers and now has nukes, maybe.

North Korea can never be trusted period.Eventually they can nuke us when they want to when they build up their arsenal of weapons.I pity South Korea when confronted by them.Thankfully the U.S. is one of their allies if threatened by North Korea.
 

Now, if MJ had his way, every enterprising person with enough resources could build themselves a nuke. How long until armageddon, caused by just one guy preemptively targeting NK, in such a scenario?

Divorce court would have a new seriousness.

New pope.  From Argentina.  1st time from South America.  

Against gay marriage.

Against contraception.

Against abortion.

Linked to abductions of liberal priests.  And torture.

He is a little slow as he only has one lung due to a childhood infection.

Yep.  The Catholic Church is ready for the new century.  And for tackling the major problems facing the church.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/pope-francis-kidnapping_n_2870251.html

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New pope.  From Argentina.  1st time not from Europe.  

 

Against gay marriage.

Against contraception.

Against abortion.

Does this surprise you? Orthodox Christian theology and doctrine is against these things. What's next, announcing that Jewish rabbis don't eat pork?

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Linked to abductions of liberal priests.  And torture.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/pope-francis-kidnapping_n_2870251.html

Nice innuendo. It is interesting that you allude to the (unproven) negative claims and accusations in the HuffPo (surprise) article while failing to mention the positive claims. Why is that? Perhaps your bias and bigotry is getting the best of you?

Breaking News: The Pope is Catholic. Film at 11.

Breaking News: Catholic Popes are still assholes and criminals.  

And the bigot speaks!

And what did you say?

I said this.

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Breaking News: Catholic Popes are still assholes and criminals.  

So they must have a lot in common with atheists, huh?

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Or are you just being a dick?

I don't know that he is, but you sure are.

P.S. Oh and "tearing apart loving families?!" Who is doing that? Is that just your hyperbole in full gear this morning? You know, there are plenty of de-caffeinated brands on the market that taste just as good.

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Or are you just being a dick?

 

I don't know that he is, but you sure are.

 

P.S. Oh and "tearing apart loving families?!" Who is doing that? Is that just your hyperbole in full gear this morning? You know, there are plenty of de-caffeinated brands on the market that taste just as good.

Let me clarify, since you seem to be missing the obvious point. Why Am I not surprised?

Tearing apart loving gay families. Tearing apart loving unmarried families. Tearing apart loving interfaith families.

Yeah, that.

Again, I fail to see any way that Frank can compare the asshole leadership of the Catholic church to any decisions made by any atheists in leadership positions. Hence the comment.

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Let me clarify, since you seem to be missing the obvious point. Why Am I not surprised?

Tearing apart loving gay families. Tearing apart loving unmarried families. Tearing apart loving interfaith families.

 

Yeah, that.

Let me clarify my question since you seem to missing the obvious point. Why am I not surprised?

Who is "tearing apart" these families? How?

Catholic church doctrine, led by the leadership of the Catholic Church. It does tear apart the types of families mentioned to spread the hate that they do. Don't deny it, and don't play the daft idiot.

Wind farms will create more carbon dioxide, say scientists

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Originally Posted by tonton 

Catholic church doctrine, led by the leadership of the Catholic Church. It does tear apart the types of families mentioned to spread the hate that they do. Don't deny it, and don't play the daft idiot.

Bullshit. This is merely your histrionic characterization of their views. No one is "tearing apart" these families. You are lying.

But feel free to continue with the insults. It makes your case well. 

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 

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Originally Posted by tonton 

Catholic church doctrine, led by the leadership of the Catholic Church. It does tear apart the types of families mentioned to spread the hate that they do. Don't deny it, and don't play the daft idiot.

 

Bullshit. This is merely your histrionic characterization of their views. No one is "tearing apart" these families. You are lying.

 

But feel free to continue with the insults. It makes your case well. 

The pope opposes gay marriage and gay adoption for one. That's tearing apart families. It's not lying. You're lying to say that these policies do not.

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Originally Posted by tonton 

The pope opposes gay marriage and gay adoption for one. That's tearing apart families. It's not lying. You're lying to say that these policies do not.

This opposition is not "tearing families apart." This is merely your histrionic characterization. It is lying to say otherwise. I'm not lying to say that their position is not actually "tearing families apart" and is simply your histrionic characterization of a position that you disagree with.

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Originally Posted by tonton 

The pope opposes gay marriage and gay adoption for one. That's tearing apart families. It's not lying. You're lying to say that these policies do not.

 

This opposition is not "tearing families apart." This is merely your histrionic characterization. It is lying to say otherwise. I'm not lying to say that their position is not actually "tearing families apart" and is simply your histrionic characterization of a position that you disagree with.

What you've said in the above sentence is a bald-faced fucking lie. How many fathers and mothers have disowned their sons and daughters because of sexuality issues, enabled by church doctrine? That's not tearing apart a family!!?? How many gay couples want to raise a child, and church policy and laws enabled by that policy preclude them from doing so? That's not tearing apart a (potential) loving family? How many gay couples would work harder to make their relationship work if there were official recognition? Their family is not being torn apart by their inability to be recognized as a family?

If you do not want to you are not anywhere obligated to participate in the Catholic Church's rules and customs.No one is forcing anyone.You believe in what you feel not what the Church brain washes you to do or priests.
 

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What you've said in the above sentence is a bald-faced fucking lie. How many fathers and mothers have disowned their sons and daughters because of sexuality issues, enabled by church doctrine? That's not tearing apart a family!!?? How many gay couples want to raise a child, and church policy and laws enabled by that policy preclude them from doing so? That's not tearing apart a (potential) loving family? How many gay couples would work harder to make their relationship work if there were official recognition? Their family is not being torn apart by their inability to be recognized as a family?

Stop it now. You're making a fool of yourself here. Your insistence on demonizing those who hold a different view of certain issues than you do has blinded you and locked you into a "they are evil and destroying lives by having these beliefs" perspective. This is merely another form of bigotry on your part. You are so busy frothing at the mouth over this issue you either cannot or will not see things in a clear-headed way.

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Don't you get it? It's not the people having those views that are tearing apart the families. It's the people spreading those views and forcing them on others. You're free to have your own fucking views. Don't like same sex marriage? Don't fucking marry someone of the same sex. But once you start telling me what I should or shouldn't do, you're over the line. And damn straight the pope and the Catholic Church tell a billion and a half people what they should and shouldn't do. So they are. Actually. Tearing. Apart. Families. By doing so.

So it's people expressing their views that's evil. Got it. 

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So it's people expressing their views that's evil. Got it. 

The free expression and sharing of ideas is indeed "evil" to authoritarians.

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The free expression and sharing of ideas is indeed "evil" to authoritarians.

What's especially ironic (and hypocritical) here is that tonton (and the rest of his liberal brethren) have no compunction whatsoever about telling numerous people or groups what they should or shouldn't do, and even calling for the use of force in implementing such things but when someone, who's view they disagree with does it, they go bat-shit-crazy.

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The pope opposes gay marriage and gay adoption for one. That's tearing apart families. It's not lying. You're lying to say that these policies do not.

 

This opposition is not "tearing families apart." This is merely your histrionic characterization. It is lying to say otherwise. I'm not lying to say that their position is not actually "tearing families apart" and is simply your histrionic characterization of a position that you disagree with.

 

What you've said in the above sentence is a bald-faced fucking lie. How many fathers and mothers have disowned their sons and daughters because of sexuality issues, enabled by church doctrine? That's not tearing apart a family!!?? How many gay couples want to raise a child, and church policy and laws enabled by that policy preclude them from doing so? That's not tearing apart a (potential) loving family? How many gay couples would work harder to make their relationship work if there were official recognition? Their family is not being torn apart by their inability to be recognized as a family?

This is another argument that you are not going to win. However distasteful one might find much of Catholic doctrine to be, whether past or current, the Church can always point out that participation is optional (at least in modern times), and that expressing deeply held religious beliefs is a right and imposes no harm on others. While that argument may seem disingenuous to the point of absurdity, the first two assertions are technically correct and the third is too subjective to refute. That leaves the final irony that in trying to defend others from what you may regard as harmful indoctrination, you leave yourself open to the charge of authoritarianism. It's a surprisingly hard position to tackle head on.

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This is another argument that you are not going to win. However distasteful one might find much of Catholic doctrine to be, whether past or current, the Church can always point out that participation is optional (at least in modern times), and that expressing deeply held religious beliefs is a right and imposes no harm on others. While that argument may seem disingenuous to the point of absurdity, the first two assertions are technically correct and the third is too subjective to refute. That leaves the final irony that in trying to defend others from what you may regard as harmful indoctrination, you leave yourself open to the charge of authoritarianism. It's a surprisingly hard position to tackle head on.

How clever what you're doing here.