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You help pay their wages right. The police are paid through your taxes.

 

That's priceless. You haven't been paying attention have you?

 

First, this did not occur in my state. And most police are paid through local property taxes and, possibly, some state taxes. But more relevantly, even if it was my area: Those taxes are taken from me.

 

 

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The police make mistakes sometimes.

 

Yes. Oops. 1bugeye.gif

 

 

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Do you accept personal responsibility for this?

 

No, because I have nothing to accept responsibility for in this incident. Go learn what personal responsibility means. You're starting to sound stupid by asking this question.

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That's priceless. You haven't been paying attention have you?

 

First, this did not occur in my state. And most police are paid through local property taxes and, possibly, some state taxes. But more relevantly, even if it was my area: Those taxes are taken from me.

 

 

 

Yes. Oops. 1bugeye.gif

 

 

 

No, because I have nothing to accept responsibility for in this incident. Go learn what personal responsibility means. You're starting to sound stupid by asking this question.

You're trying to wiggle out of your personal responsibility here. Let me explain why. You, whether you wish to or not, choose to pay taxes. Without those taxes the government could never enforce the law, fight the wars and as you put it, pass unconstitutional laws that are destroying the America the founding fathers envisioned. By your own account, this causes the deaths of tens of thousands of people and infringes on many more peoples rights. Obviously a lot of other people fund all of this too, but that does not diminish your personal responsibility. Put in other words, in your mind, your life comes before theirs. At least you could do, is admit that.

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And you have now officially crossed over to being stupid.

 

 

 

Contradict much?

 

No, taxes are taken from me. They are not given voluntarily. They are taken.

 

 

 

Well at least you're starting to get what I've been telling you and others for a long, long time.

 

 

 

You're a moron.

 

As I said, go take a refresher course on what personal responsibility means.

I do find it interesting that someone who rails against their government routinely here, can't see that their funding of it makes them personally responsible for what it does. There are people all over the world who are willing to be imprisoned for their beliefs and you somehow are being forced against your will to pay tax. You have voluntarily paid taxes to avoid jail. Admit it. That is your personal choice, there is no getting around it. 

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Wow. Are you really this stupid?

With so many lives destroyed through wars I would have thought you'd put your money where your mouth is. Clearly that's too far for you though. "Responsibility Shrugged", have you read it?

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post #2405 of 2708

Long-term unemployment is no longer an issue for congress.

 

Didn't the republicans crone on and on and on and on about "jobs" . . . before the election?  (The dems just didn't say anything.)

 

Neither group seems to care.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/lawmaker-unemployment-hearing_n_3148362.html

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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A genetically modified salmon, rear, and a non-genetically modified salmon, foreground. Photograph:

Above- A genetically modified salmon, rear, a non-genetically modified salmon, foreground.

 

The GM salmon above (the pretty one), is now ready for your table. I feel full just looking at it! Cows, chickens and pigs are near completion. They are programmed to grow twice as fast as the old models, so production times will be very fast indeed. More here- http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/apr/24/genetically-modified-salmon-aquabounty-panama-united-states

 

If we can half the size of humans too, there may just be enough food for everyone. 1wink.gif

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So many of the fears with regard to genetically modified foods are just manifestations of scientific ignorance or anti-science buffoonery.  This is one arena in which those on the left and right join hands in irresponsible, unwarranted fear-mongering.  

 

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2013/04/03/anti-gmo-attitudes-on-the-left-and-right/#.UXlNySu9Wrg

 

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So many of the fears with regard to genetically modified foods are just manifestations of scientific ignorance or anti-science buffoonery.  This is one arena in which those on the left and right join hands in irresponsible, unwarranted fear-mongering.  

 

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2013/04/03/anti-gmo-attitudes-on-the-left-and-right/#.UXlNySu9Wrg

And so many of the fears are warranted, not least, by the endless lies that we've been fed-

 

 

  1. The health consequences of eating genetically modified organisms are largely unknown. Genetically engineered foods have not been shown to be safe to eat and may have unpredictable consequences. When trans-fats were first introduced, corporations battled to get them onto your grocery shelves – and it is only decades later that this once novel food has been proven to be extremely unhealthful. Many scientists are worried that the genetically altered foods, once consumed, may pass on their mutant genes to bacterium in the digestive system, just like the canola plants on the roadsides of North Dakota. How these new strains of bacteria may affect our body systems’ balance is anybody’s guess.
  2. Food items that contain GMOs are unlabeled in America. Why so sneaky? The European Union has banned GMOs, as have Australia, Japan, the UK and two dozen other countries that recognize that a lack of long term studies and testing may be hiding disastrous health defects.
  3. Genetic engineering reduces genetic diversity. When genes are more diverse, they are more robust; this is why a pure bred dog tends to have greater health problems than the dear old mutt. Plants with reduced genetic diversity cannot handle drought, fungus invasions or insects nearly as well as natural plants, which could have dire consequences for farmers and communities dependent on GMO crops for survival.
  4. Once the mutant genes are out of the bag, there is no going back.Genetically modified organisms contaminate existing seeds with their altered material, passing on modified traits to non-target species. This creates a new strain of plant that was never intended in the laboratory. In North Dakota, recent studies show that 80% of wild canola plants tested contained at least one transgene. In Japan, a modified bacteria created a new amino acid not found in nature; it was used in protein drinks and before it was recalled it cause severe mental and metabolic damage to hundreds as well as several deaths. Japan banned GMOs after this horrific experience. Monarch butterflies have also died after their favorite food, milkweed, was cross-pollinated from Bt corn which rendered it toxic to the endangered species.
  5. GMOs are not the answer for global food security. Genetically engineered crops have shown no increase in yield and no decrease in pesticide use. In many cases other farm technology has proven much more successful, and even Monsanto agrees that its genetically engineered crops yield less than conventional farming.
  6. Genetically engineered foods have not been proven to be safe, but the few studies conducted don’t look so hot. The organs of rats who ate genetically modified potatoes showed signs of chronic wasting, and female rates fed a diet of herbicide-resistant soybeans gave birth to stunted and sterile pups.
  7. Big biotech firms have very sketchy track records, but then again what would you expect from organizations who want to patent the world’s food supply? These massive biotech companies have a history of toxic contamination, deceiving the public and suing small farmers when their patented seeds blew across the fence. Biotech firms sell sterile seeds to African farmers- meaning the seeds are only good for one season, because the plants that grow up will not be able to reproduce. Farmers must buy new seeds every year instead of growing from the previous year’s yield. GMOs are not the farmers’ friend.
  8. GMOs require massive amounts of pesticides, herbicides and fungicides.These things are poisons, and should not be eaten or allowed to run off into our water supply. But they are, every day, by companies who care far more about the bottom line than they do about your health, your environment or your children’s future."

~  http://www.organicauthority.com/foodie-buzz/eight-reasons-gmos-are-bad-for-you.html

 

Some good reading here too-

 

 

 

3. FARMERS WILL BE DESTROYED

 

Within a few years of the introduction of GM crops in North America the following occurred:

Almost all of the US's $300m annual maize exports and Canada's $300m annual rape exports to the EU disappeared;

The trade for Canadian honey was almost completely destroyed because of GM contamination;

Asian countries, including Japan and South Korea - the biggest foreign buyers of US maize, stopped importing North American maize;

Just like domestic consumers, food companies - including Heinz, Gerber and Frito-Lay - started to reject the use of GMOs in their products.

Former White House agriculture expert Dr Charles Benbrook calculates that the lost export trade and fall in farm prices caused by GM commercialisation led to an increase in annual government subsidies of an estimated $3-5 billion.

In December 2000 the president of Canada's National Farmers Union, Cory Ollikka, said: `Farmers are really starting to question the profit-enhancing ability of products that seem to be shutting them out of markets worldwide.'

Farm, which represents UK farmers, has said: `Farmers are being asked by the agro-biotech companies to shoulder the economic and public-image risks of their new technology, for which there appear to be few or no compensating benefits. The claimed cost savings are either non-existent or exaggerated. The long-term health and environmental impacts are still uncertain. And consumers don't want to eat GM food. So why would farmers sow something they can't sell?'

http://online.sfsu.edu/rone/GEessays/GMfree5.htm

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post #2409 of 2708
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You have voluntarily paid taxes to avoid jail.

 

If you pay taxes to avoid jail, you are not paying them voluntarily.

 

If someone steals your car from you at gunpoint and then uses that car to commit a crime, are you responsible for that crime?

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A famed environmentalist and anti-GMO advocate adapted to new evidence and changed his tune significantly.  Give it a read, Hands.  Though both parties are guilty of anti-GMO unscientific fears, this is the left's cross to bear as they are the ones that tend to promote those fears with the same tactics Fox News promotes anti-GW and anti-evolution idiocy.

 

http://www.marklynas.org/2013/01/lecture-to-oxford-farming-conference-3-january-2013/

 

 

 

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I want to start with some apologies. For the record, here and upfront, I apologise for having spent several years ripping up GM crops. I am also sorry that I helped to start the anti-GM movement back in the mid 1990s, and that I thereby assisted in demonising an important technological option which can be used to benefit the environment.

As an environmentalist, and someone who believes that everyone in this world has a right to a healthy and nutritious diet of their choosing, I could not have chosen a more counter-productive path. I now regret it completely.

So I guess you’ll be wondering – what happened between 1995 and now that made me not only change my mind but come here and admit it? Well, the answer is fairly simple: I discovered science, and in the process I hope I became a better environmentalist.

 

 

Read on.  And don't be blinded by the naturalistic fallacy like the anti-vaxxers are. 

 

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If you pay taxes to avoid jail, you are not paying them voluntarily.

 

If someone steals your car from you at gunpoint and then uses that car to commit a crime, are you responsible for that crime?

Hands is setting up a false dilemma.  It's not "pay taxes or go to jail."  It's pay taxes, go to jail, live off the grid, or GTFO.  Now, you choose to pay taxes rather than live off the grid or GTFO.  So, yes, you do bear some responsibility.  You may not like the other choices, but they do exist.  You do get some points for attempting to change the system (even if I think your changes are completely asinine).  Yet, you are still partially responsible because you are avoiding the other options.

 

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If you pay taxes to avoid jail, you are not paying them voluntarily.

 

If someone steals your car from you at gunpoint and then uses that car to commit a crime, are you responsible for that crime?

 

It's rather ironic (and hypocritical) that the folks that a) are constantly calling for higher taxes, and b) criticizing those not paying enough taxes, c) bad mouthing those who do leave the country to avoid taxes, d) bad mouthing the people calling for lower taxes and government spending and government intrusion are desperately scratching for anything to suggest those who are doing what they can to get rid of all that are the ones personally responsible here.

 

Okay, if that's the way you want to play it. Fine. Then anyone calling for higher taxes, criticizing those not paying enough taxes, bad mouthing those who leave the country to avoid taxes, bad mouthing the people calling for lower taxes and government spending bear even greater personal responsibility.

 

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This is so fucking stupid, I don't even know what to say. Blaming those trying to stop this shit for this shit.

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What MJ and jazzguru fail to acknowledge is their complicity in the events they call crimes. Even a two year old can see what's going on here. Here's an example-

 

Kill your child with this knife!

 

No, I don't want to hurt my child.

 

Kill your child or I'll slap you!

 

Ok, give me the knife.

 

You see, you pay through taxes for these crimes when you have the choice not to. As BR pointed out too, there are ways to pay almost $0 taxes. Neither of you have been prepared to make those sacrifices. That's the major point here. So please don't come on here and say you had no choice and that you are not personally responsible when you clearly did and are.

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A famed environmentalist and anti-GMO advocate adapted to new evidence and changed his tune significantly.  Give it a read, Hands.  Though both parties are guilty of anti-GMO unscientific fears, this is the left's cross to bear as they are the ones that tend to promote those fears with the same tactics Fox News promotes anti-GW and anti-evolution idiocy.

 

http://www.marklynas.org/2013/01/lecture-to-oxford-farming-conference-3-january-2013/

 

 

 

 

 

Read on.  And don't be blinded by the naturalistic fallacy like the anti-vaxxers are. 

Thanks, I'll watch that later.

 

It's not that all gmo is bad imo, it's that it's uses can be harmful and that we don't yet know the long term harm. It would be foolish to suppose that playing around with the food chain to the degree that's possible and even more so in the future doesn't pose great risks. One's that I suspect would be impossible in many cases to turn back. It may hold great potential, but subjecting people who don't want gmo food to gmo, as is the case in the US, is just plain wrong. People should be able to decide themselves and products without gmo, should be given a fair chance in the market.

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What MJ and jazzguru fail to acknowledge is their complicity in the events they call crimes. Even a two year old can see what's going on here. Here's an example-

 

Kill your child with this knife!

 

No, I don't want to hurt my child.

 

Kill your child or I'll slap you!

 

Ok, give me the knife.

 

You see, you pay through taxes for these crimes when you have the choice not to. As BR pointed out too, there are ways to pay almost $0 taxes. Neither of you have been prepared to make those sacrifices. That's the major point here. So please don't come on here and say you had no choice and that you are not personally responsible when you clearly did and are.

 

I would suggest that you stop. You're continuing to make yourself look like a moron with this line of reasoning. Furthermore, please do not pretend to assume you know what sacrifices I have made or am prepared to make. Finally, you're doing nothing whatsoever to justify your calls for higher and more taxes and more taxes from more people.

 

It is now clear you have no rational refutation of my arguments and you have no where left to go but to resort to idiotic and fallacious arguments. Since you have arrived at this point, perhaps you should go back and re-consider your worldview and political philosophy and begin to weed out the many flaws in them.

 

Any continuation of this line of reasoning by you (or BR) will simply cement your idiocy.

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I would suggest that you stop. You're continuing to make yourself look like a moron with this line of reasoning. Furthermore, please do not pretend to assume you know what sacrifices I have made or am prepared to make. Finally, you're doing nothing whatsoever to justify your calls for higher and more taxes and more taxes from more people.

 

It is now clear you have no rational refutation of my arguments and you have no where left to go but to resort to idiotic and fallacious arguments. Since you have arrived at this point, perhaps you should go back and re-consider your worldview and political philosophy and begin to weed out the many flaws in them.

 

Any continuation of this line of reasoning by you (or BR) will simply cement your idiocy.

We're making progress MJ. I knew you'd get there eventually! You now clearly are saying that you do believe that your support of the USG through paying taxes is concerning enough to you, that you have made sacrifices in your life to lessen your personal contribution. You have excercised your will so that you are less responsible for the crimes you note the USG has carried out.

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We're making progress MJ. I knew you'd get there eventually! You now clearly are saying that you do believe that your support of the USG through paying taxes is concerning enough to you, that you have made sacrifices in your life to lessen your personal contribution. You have excercised your will so that you are less responsible for the crimes you note the USG has carried out.

 

Of course I am concerned about the terrible things done by the state (the US in particular) and I'm quite offended that I'm forced to pay for it. Have you not been paying attention? I've made no secret of this at all. I've made no secret (though I have not shared the the details) of my desires and intentions to do everything possible to stop supporting it. What is this "I knew you'd get there eventually!" shit?! Are you fucking insane?! I have been one of the most vocal anti-government people on this board directly in the face of people, like you, who are calling for more, stronger, better funded government. If anyone should be confessing their personal responsibility for these kinds of things, it should be you who ask for more, and apologize for what exists of government.

 

You appear to be talking to someone else and have created some kind of twisted logic that I refuse to attempt to follow any longer.

 

We're done.


Edited by MJ1970 - 4/25/13 at 5:58pm

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 do everything possible to stop supporting it.

Oh, so you are living off the grid and no longer using the bulk of government services?

 

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Despite this being blatantly, 100% against what MJ advocates, he will never post about this story with the same critical vitriol he posts stories about neighborhoods that have statutes against front yard gardens. I wonder why.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/04/25/colorado-rifle-mandatory-craig-city-council_n_3157469.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

That's right. The government is considering forcing citizens to spend their own money on something they may neither need nor want.

Now, no doubt MJ will agree with me that this is deplorable. But post the story? Never. Because beneath his "neutral libertarian" facade, he is a conservative to the core.
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We're making progress MJ. I knew you'd get there eventually! You now clearly are saying that you do believe that your support of the USG through paying taxes is concerning enough to you, that you have made sacrifices in your life to lessen your personal contribution. You have excercised your will so that you are less responsible for the crimes you note the USG has carried out.

Of course I am concerned about the terrible things done by the state (the US in particular) and I'm quite offended that I'm forced to pay for it. Have you not been paying attention? I've made no secret of this at all. I've made no secret (though I have not shared the the details) of my desires and intentions to do everything possible to stop supporting it. What is this "I knew you'd get there eventually!" shit?! Are you fucking insane?! I have been one of the most vocal anti-government people on this board directly in the face of people, like you, who are calling for more, stronger, better funded government. If anyone should be confessing their personal responsibility for these kinds of things, it should be you who ask for more, and apologize for what exists of government.

You appear to be talking to someone else and have created some kind of twisted logic that I refuse to attempt to follow any longer.

We're done.
You're not doing "everything possible". You're not even doing everything possible within the scope of the law. I am doing more than you are, in fact.
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Despite this being blatantly, 100% against what MJ advocates, he will never post about this story with the same critical vitriol he posts stories about neighborhoods that have statutes against front yard gardens. I wonder why.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/04/25/colorado-rifle-mandatory-craig-city-council_n_3157469.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

That's right. The government is considering forcing citizens to spend their own money on something they may neither need nor want.

Now, no doubt MJ will agree with me that this is deplorable. But post the story? Never. Because beneath his "neutral libertarian" facade, he is a conservative to the core.

 

And you'd be wrong. As far as not posting the article, it's because I have not seen it until now. 1rolleyes.gif

 

P.S. That you would characterize my posts about cities that have statutes about front yard gardens as vitriolic further demonstrates your utter disconnection from reality. Here are the posts I made on that subject:

 

  1. http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/113388/government-is-not-the-solution-to-our-problem-it-is-the-problem/440#post_2241147
  2. http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/113388/government-is-not-the-solution-to-our-problem-it-is-the-problem/440#post_2241911
  3. http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/113388/government-is-not-the-solution-to-our-problem-it-is-the-problem/440#post_2241921
  4. http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/113388/government-is-not-the-solution-to-our-problem-it-is-the-problem/440#post_2242320
  5. http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/113388/government-is-not-the-solution-to-our-problem-it-is-the-problem/440#post_2242408

 

Dripping with vitriol!

 

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Edited by MJ1970 - 4/26/13 at 6:12am

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You're not doing "everything possible". You're not even doing everything possible within the scope of the law. I am doing more than you are, in fact.

 

You're wrong (once again) on multiple things (shock). And to claim you are doing more than me is laughable in the extreme. You continue to advocate and support more government, more taxes and so on. You're quite confused (as usual.)

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I'm opposed to government making gun ownership mandatory for the same reason I'm opposed to the government making health insurance mandatory.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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Part of a plane believed to have been one of the ones to hit the twin towers was found near Ground Zero.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/26/sept11-plane-nyc/2116431/

 

 

Depending on how big it is, it could should just how thorough the search for stuff was... or wasn't.

 

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Amazing how time passes- 

 

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post #2426 of 2708
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Part of a plane believed to have been one of the ones to hit the twin towers was found near Ground Zero.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/26/sept11-plane-nyc/2116431/

 

 

Depending on how big it is, it could should just how thorough the search for stuff was... or wasn't.

 

 

Or was it planted?

 

 

http://www.freep.com/article/20130427/NEWS15/304270062/9_11-landing-gear-recovered

 

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post #2427 of 2708

Hundreds of people dead under  a building which collapsed Wednesday near Dhaka, Bangladesh.

Bangladesh Building Collapse Toll Rises to 328 | Indiatimes

 

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Fourteen people were pulled out alive and 13 bodies were recovered from beneath the rubble of the eight-storeyed building Saturday morning, raising the toll to 328.

The building, "Rana Plaza", collapsed around 8:45 a.m. Wednesday and since then rescuers have been trying to extricate those still buried under the debris.”

 

Yet this tragedy could have been avoided.

Bangladesh Arrests Two After 340 Killed in Building Collapse - Bloomberg

 

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Bangladesh police arrested executives of two garment makers housed in a building that collapsed April 24, killing 340 people. Authorities are still searching for the owner of the building.

Bazlus Samad, chairman, and Mahmudur Rahman, managing director of New Wave Bottoms Ltd. and New Wave Style Ltd. (SYP), were arrested after they turned themselves in, State Minister for Home Affairs Shamsul Hoque Tuku told reporters in the capital Dhaka yesterday. The police also started a manhunt for Sohel Rana, owner of the Rana Plaza building, where clothes for brands owned by Loblaw Cos. and Associated British Foods Plc (ABF) were made. He was banned from leaving the country.

(…)

As many as 6,000 people were employed in facilities housed in Rana Plaza, 24 kilometers (15 miles) northwest of Dhaka, the Bdnews24.com website reported, without citing a source for the information. A few shops and a bank also operated from the building, Health Minister A.F.M. Ruhal Haque said in a briefing on April 24.

(…)

 

The collapsed building had developed cracks the previous day, prompting BRAC Bank Ltd. to order its employees to vacate the premises, said Zeeshan Kingshuk Huq, a spokesman.

‘We evacuated our staff,’ Huq said. ‘Other commercial units did not do the same.’”

 

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post #2428 of 2708

That is life.
 

post #2429 of 2708

If people are that stupid to work there under these conditions then they deserve what they get.
 

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If people are that stupid to work there under these conditions then they deserve what they get.
 

 

And if one lives in a country that has enemies that feel it acceptable to fly aeroplanes into buildings or leave bombs on marathon routes do they too deserve what they get?

 

You really are an odious being. Clearly the milkman of human kindness never stopped at your house.

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If people are that stupid to work there under these conditions then they deserve what they get.
 

 

Or are they so poor and desperate for the money they could get from work and fear losing their jobs and thus their income if they didn't go to work that they had little or no choice?

 

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post #2432 of 2708

NBA player comes out... is first openly gay pro athlete in the US.

 

 

Good man.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/29/jason-collins-comes-out-gay_n_3178401.html?ir=Sports

 

 

Can just hear the thuds of macho sports fans now...  and of some athletes like that NFL player who said he wouldn't play with gays.

 

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post #2433 of 2708
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NBA player comes out... is first openly gay pro athlete in the US.

 

Who cares? Geez.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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post #2434 of 2708
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Or are they so poor and desperate for the money they could get from work and fear losing their jobs and thus their income if they didn't go to work that they had little or no choice?

And old people that get mugged are to blame for not having earned enough money during their working lives to pay for bodyguards </s>

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Who cares? Geez.

What a horrible response. 

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What a horrible response. 

to be fair, perhaps he means that one's sexual orientation is of no consequence and perfectly normal/acceptable.

 

Personally, although I subscribe to that opinion I am also aware that there are legions of homophobes and thus I am encouraged when I see high profile members of the public having the guts to out themselves in the hope of removing any stigma for future generations.

post #2437 of 2708
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to be fair, perhaps he means that one's sexual orientation is of no consequence and perfectly normal/acceptable.

 

Personally, although I subscribe to that opinion I am also aware that there are legions of homophobes and thus I am encouraged when I see high profile members of the public having the guts to out themselves in the hope of removing any stigma for future generations.

Exactly. He's trying to diminish its importance. Pretty shocking given he says he's not a bigot.

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post #2438 of 2708

While I'm certainly no bigot nor "homophobe" (at least not nearly as much as Hands is an Muslim bigot and Islam-o-phobe). I don't hate, judge or fear homosexuals.

 

I just don't know why this is or should be such a big deal. I couldn't care less who someone wants to live, love and have sex with. It's none of my business, nor is mine any of anyone else's business. The public-ification of private matters is just kinda silly and childish. The truly ironic thing is that, I suspect, many of the people who are applauding this public revelation are the same exact people who would tell a person of faith to keep quite and that faith issues are a private matter for themselves only.


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While I'm certainly no bigot nor "homophobe" (at least not nearly as much as Hands is an Muslim bigot and Islam-o-phobe). I don't hate, judge or fear homosexuals.

 

I just don't know why this is or should be such a big deal. I couldn't care less who someone wants to live, love and have sex with. It's none of my business, nor is mine any of anyone else's business. The public-ification of private matters is just kinda silly and childish. The truly ironic thing is that, I suspect, many of the people who are applauding this public revelation are the same exact people who would tell a person of faith to keep quite and that faith issues are a private matter for themselves only.

You just think it's certainly fine for others to discriminate against homosexuals.  

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
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You just think it's certainly fine for others to discriminate against homosexuals.  

 

Is it necessary for you to lie about me to make yourself feel better?

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