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Insofar as this issue being Obama's he is the chief executive of the federal government now when this issue arises.

So finally we agree on one thing. Bush was responsible for 9/11. Glad we cleared that up. Not only that... McCain is responsible for the immigration problems in Arizona. Jindal is responsible for the Gulf Oil Spill and Arnold Schwarzenegger is responsible for Lindsay Lohan.
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So finally we agree on one thing. Bush was responsible for 9/11. Glad we cleared that up. Not only that... McCain is responsible for the immigration problems in Arizona. Jindal is responsible for the Gulf Oil Spill and Arnold Schwarzenegger is responsible for Lindsay Lohan.

Don't you know? Chief executives are only responsible when they're Democrat!
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post #323 of 2730
Laughed my ass off at this headline in The New York Times.... Obama is such a disgusting politician even Democrats don't want him around =>

To Help Democrats in the Fall, Obama May Stay Away
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/us...s/01obama.html


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...#ixzz0vNaTZj7x
post #324 of 2730
Yet another illegal alien crime story - arrested twice before for DUI and released by feds =>

Illegal immigrant who killed nun in accident was released by feds
By Stephen Dinan- The Washington Times 4:23 p.m., Monday, August 2, 2010
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ear_cache_true
The man suspected of drunken driving and killing a Catholic nun in Prince William County this weekend is an illegal immigrant who was awaiting deportation and who federal immigration authorities had released pending further proceedings, police said Monday.
post #325 of 2730
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Yet another illegal alien crime story - arrested twice before for DUI and released by feds =>

Illegal immigrant who killed nun in accident was released by feds
By Stephen Dinan- The Washington Times 4:23 p.m., Monday, August 2, 2010
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ear_cache_true
The man suspected of drunken driving and killing a Catholic nun in Prince William County this weekend is an illegal immigrant who was awaiting deportation and who federal immigration authorities had released pending further proceedings, police said Monday.

Amazing how the Federal Government just ignores our immigration laws. We are being invaded and Obama not only does nothing to stop them but prevents others from stopping them.
post #326 of 2730
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Amazing how the Federal Government just ignores our immigration laws. We are being invaded and Obama not only does nothing to stop them but prevents others from stopping them.

Well that's one view.
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post #327 of 2730
Bravo Obama!

http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/04/news...dex.htm?hpt=T2
"Employers announced plans to eliminate 41,676 jobs last month, Challenger said. That was up 6% from June, when job cuts rose to 39,358. The Challenger and ADP reports set the stage for the government's closely watched jobs report to be released Friday. Economists forecast that employers cut payrolls by 87,000 jobs in July after cutting 125,000 jobs in June."

post #328 of 2730
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Bravo Obama!

http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/04/news...dex.htm?hpt=T2
"Employers announced plans to eliminate 41,676 jobs last month, Challenger said. That was up 6% from June, when job cuts rose to 39,358. The Challenger and ADP reports set the stage for the government's closely watched jobs report to be released Friday. Economists forecast that employers cut payrolls by 87,000 jobs in July after cutting 125,000 jobs in June."


But they cut fewer jobs, so that's good news and signs of recovery. Or something. Get with the program: Least Bad News is the new Good News.

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post #329 of 2730
Thanks Barack, you just made my life a lot easier and cheaper:
Electronic copyright for imports.
A major pain in the ass has been removed and many days of waiting for customs to clear have been eliminated. The best thing for business in the last 50 years.
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post #330 of 2730
I imagine this will get a few people's hackles up:

U.S. To Train 3,000 Offshore IT Workers:

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Despite President Obama's pledge to retain more hi-tech jobs in the U.S., a federal agency run by a hand-picked Obama appointee has launched a $22 million program to train workers, including 3,000 specialists in IT and related functions, in South Asia.

Following their training, the tech workers will be placed with outsourcing vendors in the region that provide offshore IT and business services to American companies looking to take advantage of the Asian subcontinent's low labor costs.

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post #331 of 2730
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I imagine this will get a few people's hackles up:

U.S. To Train 3,000 Offshore IT Workers:

Kenyan IT workers come next I guess...
post #332 of 2730

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post #333 of 2730

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post #334 of 2730
Oh dear dear dear... our Idiot in Chief on the loose...

Barack Obama to Host Ramadan Dinner at the White House
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/...e-house/390808

and what book is he holding as illustrative? Why it's 'Green Eggs & Ham' of course!


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post #336 of 2730
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Oh dear dear dear... our Idiot in Chief on the loose...

Barack Obama to Host Ramadan Dinner at the White House
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/...e-house/390808

and what book is he holding as illustrative? Why it's 'Green Eggs & Ham' of course!

...except that that's a stock photo, taken at a function in the summer and which has nothing to do with Baraka Obama hosting a Ramadan dinner in ANY WAY AT ALL.

What a depressing post this is, 'Camp' David. What a depressing depth to sink to.
post #337 of 2730

Murdoch Newspaper in Critical Smear Job on American President Shock.
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...except that that's a stock photo, taken at a function in the summer and which has nothing to do with Baraka Obama hosting a Ramadan dinner in ANY WAY AT ALL.

What a depressing post this is, 'Camp' David. What a depressing depth to sink to.

I was going to mention this, but I have Gay David on ignore. But it was the Indonesian paper who chose the photo, obviously not oblivious to the subtext.
post #339 of 2730
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post #340 of 2730
Garbage
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The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves:

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Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway — and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.

Now I don't doubt this is true, I will say that the the reasoning that says "you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway" (or any other publicly visible space) and therefore you don't have a reasonable expectation that someone, especially the government isn't going to trespass onto your private property (driveway) and attach something to to you private property (car) without your knowledge or permission seems a rather large legal leap.

But, alas:

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That is the bizarre — and scary — rule that now applies in California and eight other Western states. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants — with no need for a search warrant.


Hurray for Time:

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In fact, the government violated Pineda-Moreno's privacy rights in two different ways. For starters, the invasion of his driveway was wrong. The courts have long held that people have a reasonable expectation of privacy in their homes and in the "curtilage," a fancy legal term for the area around the home. The government's intrusion on property just a few feet away was clearly in this zone of privacy.


But the rich will be ok:

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Chief Judge Alex Kozinski, who dissented from this month's decision refusing to reconsider the case, pointed out whose homes are not open to strangers: rich people's. The court's ruling, he said, means that people who protect their homes with electric gates, fences and security booths have a large protected zone of privacy around their homes. People who cannot afford such barriers have to put up with the government sneaking around at night.

Judge Kozinski is a leading conservative, appointed by President Ronald Reagan, but in his dissent he came across as a raging liberal. "There's been much talk about diversity on the bench, but there's one kind of diversity that doesn't exist," he wrote. "No truly poor people are appointed as federal judges, or as state judges for that matter." The judges in the majority, he charged, were guilty of "cultural elitism."


There is hope though:

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Fortunately, other courts are coming to a different conclusion from the Ninth Circuit's — including the influential U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. That court ruled, also this month, that tracking for an extended period of time with GPS is an invasion of privacy that requires a warrant. The issue is likely to end up in the Supreme Court.

Of course it will. Let's hope SCOTUS doesn't fuck this one up.


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In these highly partisan times, GPS monitoring is a subject that has both conservatives and liberals worried. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit's pro-privacy ruling was unanimousdecided by judges appointed by Presidents Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

Plenty of liberals have objected to this kind of spying, but it is the conservative Chief Judge Kozinski who has done so most passionately. "1984 may have come a bit later than predicted, but it's here at last," he lamented in his dissent. And invoking Orwell's totalitarian dystopia where privacy is essentially nonexistent, he warned: "Some day, soon, we may wake up and find we're living in Oceania."

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post #342 of 2730
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The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves:



Now I don't doubt this is true, I will say that the the reasoning that says "you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway" (or any other publicly visible space) and therefore you don't have a reasonable expectation that someone, especially the government isn't going to trespass onto your private property (driveway) and attach something to to you private property (car) without your knowledge or permission seems a rather large legal leap.

But, alas:




Hurray for Time:




But the rich will be ok:




There is hope though:



Of course it will. Let's hope SCOTUS doesn't fuck this one up.

Original Decision
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor...1/08-30385.pdf

Denial of Rehearing en banc:
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor...2/08-30385.pdf

Chief Judge KOZINSKI, with whom Judges REINHARDT, WARDLAW, PAEZ and BERZON join, dissenting from the denial of rehearing en banc:

Whether some portion of propertythe porch, the stairs, the shed, the yard, the chicken coopis part of the curtilage is sometimes a disputed question. But once it is determined that something is part of the curtilage, its entitled to precisely the same Fourth Amendment protections as the home itself. How do we know? Because the Supreme Court has said so repeatedly.
In Oliver v. United States, the Court said as follows:
[O]nly the curtilage . . . warrants the Fourth Amend- ment protections that attach to the home. At common law, the curtilage is the area to which extends the intimate activity associated with the sanctity of a mans home and the privacies of life, and therefore has been considered part of home itself for Fourth Amendment purposes. Thus, courts have extended Fourth Amendment protection to the curtilage. 466 U.S. 170, 180 (1984) (quoting Boyd v. United States, 116 U.S. 616, 630 (1886)) (emphasis added). Three years later, the Court reiterated the same view in United States v. Dunn, 480 U.S. 294, 300 (1987):

[In Oliver] we recognized that the Fourth Amend- ment protects the curtilage of a house and that the extent of the curtilage is determined by factors that bear upon whether an individual reasonably may expect that the area in question should be treated as the home itself.

While it can be unclear whether a particular portion of the homeowners property is part of the curtilage, theres no doubt here because the government concedes that Pineda- Morenos driveway is a part of his curtilage, and the panel expressly assumes that it is. United States v. Pineda-Moreno, 591 F.3d 1212, 1214-15 (9th Cir. 2010). Having made that assumption, Oliver and Dunn require the panel to treat[ ] [it] as the home itself. Dunn, 480 U.S. at 300. Instead, the panel holds that Pineda-Moreno was required to separately establish a reasonable expectation of privacy in the curtilage. That according to Oliver and Dunnis like requiring the home- owner to establish a reasonable expectation of privacy in his bedroom. We are often reminded that we must follow Supreme Court precedent, see, e.g., Winn v. Ariz. Christian Sch. Tuition Org., 586 F.3d 649, 658-59 (9th Cir. 2009) (OScannlain, J., dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc), but the panel here forgets this advice.

These decisions have curtailed the right of the people to be secure . . . against unreasonable searches and seizures not only in our homes and surrounding curtilage, but also in our vehicles, computers, telephones, and bodies all the way down to our bodily fluids and DNA.
Todays decision is but one more step down the gloomy path the current Judiciary has chosen to follow with regard to the liberties protected by the Fourth Amendment. Sadly, I pre- dict that there will be many more such decisions to come.

I dissent.
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post #343 of 2730
Mormon bishop shot dead in his church office

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Ralph Jordan, a church leader, said the suspect walked into the church complex, asked for a leader of the church, and shot Sannar. He seemed to not know Sannar.

"The suspect is not a member of the church," Jordan added.

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post #344 of 2730
Feds investigate fire at mosque site


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_698336.html

 

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post #345 of 2730
Dems get more bad news in Gallup poll:

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It's the latest sign congressional Democrats could be in for a rough round of midterms.

A new Gallup/USA Today survey out Wednesday finds Americans think Republicans in Congress will do a better job than Democrats in handling seven out of nine key issues.

The biggest divide is on the issue of terrorism, where Republicans get the edge by a wide 55-31 percent margin. Republicans also win big on immigration (50-35 percent), federal spending (50-35 percent), and even the economy (49-38 percent) - despite Democratic efforts to paint the recession's onset as the fault of congressional Republicans and former President George W. Bush.

Republicans also win on the issue of Afghanistan (45-38 percent), jobs (46-41 percent), and even corruption in government (38-35 percent) - a problem that has plagued both parties over the past two years.

Democrats may find a small glimmer of hope in health care where Americans are essentially split on which party is best equipped to tackle that issue. But health care has historically been a Democratic strong point (a year ago the party enjoyed an 11-point advantage on the issue) and the fact that neither party can now claim a clear stake on the subject may actually prove to be more good news for the GOP.

The only issue Democrats still reign supreme is on that the environment, where the party holds a clear 54-31 percent advantage. Though this may prove to have little resonance at the polls, considering a recent CNN survey showed only 1 in 4 voters mark the environment as the most important issue to their vote.

The latest Gallup survey comes two days after the organization's daily tracking survey showed Republicans 10 points ahead of Democrats in a generic matchup numbers that marked the fifth straight week the Republicans have held an advantage on the question. The 10-point margin is also the party's largest lead ever in midterm contests in Gallup's polling history.

In average of several recent generic matchup polls shows the GOP with a single digit lead, but still virtually in the same position it was at the same time in 1994 the year the party grabbed 54 House seats back from the Democrats, enough to win control of the chamber.

Gallup surveyed 1,021 adults by telephone from August 27-30. The sampling error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.

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post #347 of 2730
Analysts: White House Panicking Over Elections:

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"They get it. There's panic. There's concern," VandeHei said. "The reality for this administration stinks, politically and practically, when it comes to the economy. You're not going to be able to change that 9.6-percent unemployment figure. You can't get anything from Congress in the next couple of months."

CBS Congressional correspondent Nancy Cordes said the Democrats are distancing themselves from President Obama.

"Not only are they running away from President Obama, they're running away from being Democrats in some cases. In some races you actually see the Democratic candidates not really mentioning that they're a Democrat in their campaign ads," Cordes said.


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"Americans don't feel the impact of those pieces of legislation yet," she said. "There's a lot of frustration on Capitol Hill among Democrats who feel like the President led them down this path. They didn't all necessarily want to deal with health care. This was on the president's agenda, and then they felt like he kind of hung them out to dry."

"Not a single Democrat has run an ad in support of the health care bill since April," VandeHei noted.

Cordes pointed out that Democrats are very unhappy about Mr. Obama's speech last week, only the second Oval Office prime time address in his presidency.


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He also suggested that Democrats are much more pessimistic than they were merely three or four weeks ago. He cited a recent Gallup poll that showed Republicans with a 10-point generic edge. "They've been polling for 60 years. We've not seen a number like that."

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post #348 of 2730
Republican campaign strategy 2010:

Divert attention away from corrupt corporations (the ones giving bonuses to CEOs while cutting jobs) by appealing to racism against Muslims.

Sadly, the racists are dumb enough to fall for it.

 

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post #349 of 2730
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Republican campaign strategy 2010:

Divert attention away from corrupt corporations (the ones giving bonuses to CEOs while cutting jobs) by appealing to racism against Muslims.

Sadly, the racists are dumb enough to fall for it.

Interesting. I didn't see much about that as a core issue in the discussion in that article. It all seemed to be about misplaced and incorrect priorities including a failure to do anything that would actually help move the economy in the right direction, passing new entitlement programs against the wishes of the majority of the American public. Like that. But if you want to think its about racism (isn't it always when you oppose Obama).

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post #350 of 2730

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

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post #351 of 2730
Vandalism is bad. No matter how racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and anti-science your organization is, it shouldn't have the building in which it spreads its racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and anti-science messages vandalized. I'm sorry that it happened.

 

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post #352 of 2730
Thank you. Next time you're in Arizona, would you like to come to church with me?

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post #353 of 2730
No, I prefer not to become nauseous over how much tax-exempt money is spent on mormon palaces instead of truly helping society.

 

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post #354 of 2730
Governments try to emulate many of the things we do to help society with our tax-exempt money.

http://providentliving.org/

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post #356 of 2730
Please quote me where I said you can't be good without a belief in God.

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post #357 of 2730
How about donating your money to a secular organization that doesn't have an underlying agenda other than helping the people in need?

 

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post #358 of 2730
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How about donating your money to a secular organization that doesn't have an underlying agenda other than helping the people in need?

This is our "underlying agenda":

All about us there are many who are in need of help and who are deserving of rescue. Our mission in life, as followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, must be a mission of saving. There are the homeless, the hungry, the destitute.

President Gordon B. Hinckley, Our Mission of Saving, Ensign, Nov. 1991, 59

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post #359 of 2730
That doesn't mesh with...





et cetera...

 

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Using the best materials and resources available for the construction of holy temples is certainly not a new concept. It is well documented in holy scripture, and is symbolic of self-sacrifice and offering up the very best we have to God, since He has given us all we have.

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I would also note that - after performing the sacred ordinances of the temple for ourselves - every time we attend the temple thereafter, those ordinances are performed by proxy for our deceased ancestors. So most of the work done in the temple is for the benefit and service of others.

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