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post #361 of 2694
I see self-serving palaces. I'm sure the destitute will understand that sky daddy requires the material goods more than they do.

WWJD? Not build fucking palaces.

 

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post #362 of 2694
New GM CEO's pay package worth $9 million

He must be a Democrat.

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New GM CEO's pay package worth $9 million

He must be a Democrat.

Democrat, Republican, or whatever, this is what's wrong with America. This is also a good example of what's wrong with free market capitalism. And you morons think unions are what makes America uncompetitive?
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This is also a good example of what's wrong with free market capitalism.

How does General Motors have anything to do with free-market capitalism?


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And you morons think unions are what makes America uncompetitive?

It's one thing, yes.

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How does General Motors have anything to do with free-market capitalism?

As long as we don't bail them out, which I oppose -- at least without severe penalties that will guarantee we will be paid back -- they are not a government run-entity.

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It's one thing, yes.

And another thing is greedy people getting 7, 8, 9 million a year in salary. But to see which problem should be dealt with first, we can consider which one of those helps working middle class citizens, and which one helps no one but the super rich?
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As long as we don't bail them out

Too late.


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And another thing is greedy people getting 7, 8, 9 million a year in salary.

No, not really. You're getting cause and effect backwards here.

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post #367 of 2694
UK Teenager banned from US for sending email to White House calling obama a prick.

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A British teenager has been banned from America for life for sending Barack Obama an abusive email, in which he calls the President a p***k.
Luke Angel, 17, insulted Mr Obama while drunk after watching a programme about the 9/11 attacks on the U.S.
Angel was reprimanded by police on both sides of the Atlantic after firing off the message to the White House.

The FBI intercepted the message and contacted police in the UK who went to see Mr Angel at his home in Silsoe, Bedfordshire.
The college student is now on a list of people who are banned from visiting the States.

Bit strong.

So much for Free Speech.

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UK Teenager banned from US for sending email to White House calling obama a prick.



Bit strong.

So much for Free Speech.

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But he's European.
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post #369 of 2694
French Senate passes ban of full Muslim veils
By ELAINE GANLEY, Associated Press Writer 5 mins ago

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PARIS The French Senate has voted overwhelmingly for a bill banning the burqa-style Islamic veil everywhere from post offices to streets, in a final step toward a making it law.
The Senate voted 246 to 1 Tuesday in favor of the bill, which has already passed in the lower chamber, the National Assembly.

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EU condemns French Roma crackdown
An EU commissioner delivers a stern rebuke to France, saying its "disgraceful" treatment of Roma (Gypsies) may trigger legal action.

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Roma deportations by France a disgrace, says EU 14 Sep 2010 15:34 GMT
... EU justice commissioner Viviane Reding brands France's expulsions 'a disgrace' The European Commission today ... option but to launch infringement proceedings against Paris, meaning that it could be hauled before ... discrimination. Over the past six weeks the French authorities have expelled almost 1,000 Roma and ...

Anti-Semitism Rising in France

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Anti-Semitism in France is strongly on the rise, according to the 2009 annual report released late last week by the Jewish Community Protection Service (SPCJ). The organization reported that 832 anti-Semitic incidents were recorded in France in 2009, as compared with 474 such incidents in 2008 - a 75% increase.
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post #370 of 2694
More fun with matches and religious texts.

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A row over France's crackdown on Roma (Gypsy) migrants from Romania and Bulgaria looks set to dominate a summit of EU leaders in Brussels.
President Nicolas Sarkozy was furious after European Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding appeared to compare France's removal of Roma with Gypsy deportations during World War II.

Although France has deported thousands of Romanian and Bulgarian Roma over the past few years, it began accelerating the process last month, as part of a high-profile crackdown on illegal camps in the country.

The EU summit on Thursday is not meant to be about the Roma, but Mr Sarkozy seems determined to go on the offensive in Brussels to defend France's reputation as the home of human rights, says the BBC's Oana Lungescu in Brussels.

France says its policy respects EU laws. It denies that the expulsions target an ethnic group, saying they are done on a case-by-case basis. It also insists that most of them are voluntary.

Many of those deported are offered cash payments of about 330 euros ($423, £274) per adult and 100 euros per child.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11323053

EU vice president sees red and attacks France on Roma

By Oana Lungescu
BBC News, Brussels

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European commissioners tend to refrain from publicly using words like "disgrace" and "shocking" about EU member states, especially about a big founder member state.

Viviane Reding, justice commissioner, vice-president of the EU executive .... attack comes after weeks of tension and condemnations by the UN, the European Parliament, human rights groups and even the Vatican.

It appears to have been triggered not just by the French handling of the Roma (gypsies), but by the French handling of Brussels.

On Monday, a leaked memo from the interior ministry showed that the French authorities had been instructed to target Roma camps, rather than deal with migrants on a case-by-case basis, as the French migration minister and the minister for Europe had assured the European Commission.

"So did the ministers lie?" I asked Mrs Reding.

"I think a part of the French government was saying something else than another part of the French government was doing," she said. "When I see there has been cheating, I say no. Let's be clear - there can be no dismantling of the fundamental values on which our societies are built."

The justice commissioner said she wanted infringement procedures brought against France within weeks, but she was less clear what that could amount to.

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France angered by Roma criticism
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"It's not for me to decide," she said. "I just see that things are going wrong and I hand down the dossier" to the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg.

Her statement was welcomed by most parliamentary groups in the European Parliament, with the notable exception of the centre-right European People's Party, to which the French President Nicolas Sarkozy belongs.

Unlike the European Parliament, Mrs Reding has stopped short of calling on France and others to halt the expulsions.

France, she told me, was "responsible for security on its own territory". She called on Paris to do more to integrate the Roma of French nationality. "Why not concentrate on this and why, for purely populistic reasons and party political reasons maybe, stigmatise a whole group of citizens just because it is popular to do that?"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11302013
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post #373 of 2694
Bu...bu...but I thought the war was over?

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Bu...bu...but I thought the war was over?

It's not a war anymore. It's a police action, like Korea was.

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It's not a war anymore. It's a police action, like Korea was.

We haven't had a declared war since WW2, why stop the trend now?
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post #376 of 2694
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We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
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Sin-eaters were generally poor people paid to eat bread and drink beer or wine over a corpse, in the belief they would take on the sins of the deceased.

Believers thought the sin-eater taking on the sins of a person who died suddenly without confessing their sins would allow the deceased's soul to go to heaven in peace.

While most of the sin-eaters were poor people or beggars, Mr Munslow was a well-established farmer in the area.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-11360659

The sad thing is there was no one to drink beer and eat bread at his funeral.
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post #378 of 2694
UK Proposes All Paychecks Go to the State First

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The UK's tax collection agency is putting forth a proposal that all employers send employee paychecks to the government, after which the government would deduct what it deems as the appropriate tax and pay the employees by bank transfer.

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Tax withholding in the United States

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In the United States income tax system, employers are required to withhold a portion of each employee's income and pay it directly to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service. This withholding acts as a prepayment of tax they will owe at the end of the year, as well as a direct payment of certain other taxes.
Payors of amounts may be required to withhold income or other taxes from such amounts and pay the tax to the government making the requirement. In the U.S., the Federal and most state governments require such withholding for income and social insurance taxes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_wit..._United_States

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If you are an employee, the Withholding Calculator can help you determine whether you need to give your employer a new Form W-4, Employee's Withholding Allowance Certificate to avoid having too much or too little Federal income tax withheld from your pay. You can use your results from the calculator to help fill out the form.

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/artic...=96196,00.html
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Tax withholding in the United States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_wit..._United_States

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http://www.irs.gov/individuals/artic...=96196,00.html

Fascinating stuff.

Quite different from what the UK is proposing, wouldn't you agree?

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Tax withholding in the United States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_wit..._United_States

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http://www.irs.gov/individuals/artic...=96196,00.html

From the UK article:

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Currently employers withhold tax and pay the government, providing information at the end of the year, a system know as Pay as You Earn (PAYE). There is no option for those employees to refuse withholding and individually file a tax return at the end of the year.

This part sounds pretty much exactly like the US system (though the US system reporting to the government is at least quarterly and may be monthly depending on payroll size.


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If the real-time information plan works, it further proposes that employers hand over employee salaries to the government first.

"The next step could be to use (real-time) information as the basis for centralizing the calculation and deduction of tax," HMRC said in a July discussion paper.

HMRC described the plan as "radical" as it would be a huge change from the current system that has been largely unchanged for 66 years.

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Fascinating stuff.

Quite different from what the UK is proposing, wouldn't you agree?

Offered only as a suggestion to the Brits on an alternative. If the Royal family wanted to set an example--they should go first.
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post #383 of 2694
House may adjourn 3 weeks early to campaign.

No doubt they will tout their perseverance and diligence in meeting the challenges this country faces, and making every single minute of their time count.

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Head of Vatican Bank held on money-laundering charges.

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The head of the Vatican Bank has been put under investigation as part of a money-laundering inquiry, police sources in Rome say.

Ettore Gotti Tedeschi and another senior official were put under investigation after two suspicious transactions were reported to police.

Some 23m euros ($30m; £19m) was also seized from the bank's accounts with another institution.

The Vatican said it was "perplexed" by the claims.

"Perplexed" - classic!!

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post #385 of 2694
Adenovirus-36 may be making kids heavier, new study suggests



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Children exposed to adenovirus-36 were more likely to be obese than were children who had no evidence of infection, according to a study published online September 20 in Pediatrics. The new study is the latest to link the virus to obesity in people. Recent studies of Korean children and both American and Italian adults have shown that obese people are more likely to have antibodies against the virus a sign of a prior infection than normal-weight people are.

Not only were obese children more likely to have antibodies to the virus 22 percent of obese children had antibodies compared with 7 percent of normal-weight kids but the obese kids with evidence of prior adenovirus-36 infections were on average about 35 pounds fatter than obese children who hadnt caught the virus.

Thats enormous, says Richard Atkinson, an endocrinologist at Virginia Commonwealth University and founder of Obetech, a company that tests for antibodies against adenovirus-36. Atkinson also holds a patent on a vaccine against the virus.

Even if adenovirus-36 does prove to increase body weight, overweight people need not be quarantined.

You cant catch obesity from a fat person, Atkinson says. By the time a person becomes obese, the virus is long gone and the person is no longer infectious. Its the skinny person with a cold you have to watch out for."
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post #386 of 2694
NYC's underground grilled cheese

Reminds me a bit of "Danger Dogs" in Los Angeles

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DON'T ASK---AND I WON'T TELL
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post #388 of 2694
We're running $1 trillion (++) budget deficits and the best these geniuses can come up with is a spending freeze?!?!

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We're running $1 trillion (++) budget deficits and the best these geniuses can come up with is a spending freeze?!?!

Yes. Expect the Pelosi crowd to come out shrieking of nothing less than genocide.

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America is an idea an idea that free people can govern themselves, that governments powers are derived from the consent of the governed, that each of us is endowed by their Creator with the unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. America is the belief that any man or woman can given economic, political, and religious liberty advance themselves, their families, and the common good.

And now, the libtard's pledge to America:

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Amerika is flawed - but we can fix that by realizing its people are serfs who cannot think for themselves and need us liberal elite to provide free food, shelter, clothing, cars, health care and enough recreational drugs to keep them subdued and compliant. Government's powers are omnipotent and endows its servants with whatever rights it deems necessary, plus their share of an equal distribution of wealth. Amerika is the belief that any man, woman and trans-gendered persons can - given his her or its equal share of wealth and other entitlements - avoid privation just long enough to keep us in office for our common good.
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The latest round flared up earlier this month when the Japanese coast guard arrested a Chinese captain after what was little more than a fender bender on the high seas. Now China is flexing its muscles in return. The Chinese foreign minister refused to meet with his Japanese counterpart in the wings of the UN General Assembly, usually a convenient and neutral place to iron out differences.

The Chinese government has even called on local travel agencies to cancel trips to Japan. It is an indication of China's growing economic clout that this has even become a threat. Tourism from China to Japan has increased by 143% in the past year. According to the Wall Street Journal, one major Chinese healthcare company has decided to scrap plans to send 7,500 workers on their annual jolly to Japan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...sland_row.html

China's Premier Wen Jiabao enters Japan row

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Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao has threatened "further action" against Japan unless it releases a Chinese sea captain, arrested in disputed waters.

China says it will not meet Japanese leaders at a UN summit in New York.

The Chinese foreign ministry said on Tuesday that a meeting between Mr Wen and his Japanese counterpart Naoto Kan on the sidelines of the summit would be inappropriate.

"The atmosphere is obviously not suitable for such a meeting," a spokesman said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11387354



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Ties between China and Japan have been strained by a territorial row over a group of islands, known as the Senkaku islands in Japan and the Diaoyu islands in China

The eight uninhabited islands and rocks in question lie in the East China Sea. They have a total area of about 7 sq km and lie northeast of Taiwan, east of the Chinese mainland and southeast of Japan's southern-most prefecture, Okinawa.

They matter because they are close to strategically important shipping lanes, offer rich fishing grounds and are thought to contain oil deposits.

What is Japan's claim?

Japan says it surveyed the islands for 10 years and determined that they were uninhabited. That being the case, on 14 January 1895 it erected a sovereignty marker that formally incorporated the islands into Japanese territory. The Senkaku islands became part of the Nansei Shoto islands - also known as the Ryukyu islands and now as modern-day Okinawa prefecture.

After World War II Japan renounced claims to a number of territories and islands including Taiwan in the 1951 Treaty of San Francisco. But under the treaty the Nansei Shoto islands came under US trusteeship and were then returned to Japan in 1971, under the Okinawa reversion deal.

Japan says that China raised no objections to the San Francisco deal. And it says that it is only since the 1970s, when the issue of oil resources in the area emerged, that Chinese and Taiwanese authorities began pressing their claims.

What is China's claim?

China says that the Diaoyu islands have been part of its territory since ancient times, serving as important fishing grounds administered by the province of Taiwan. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs says that this is "fully proven by history and is legally well-founded".

Taiwan was ceded to Japan in the Treaty of Shimonoseki in 1895, after the Sino-Japanese war. When Taiwan was returned in the Treaty of San Francisco, China says the islands - as part of it - should also have been returned. But Beijing says Kuomintang leader Chiang Kai-shek did not raise the issue, even when the Diaoyu islands were named in the later Okinawa reversion deal, because he depended on the US for support.
Separately, Taiwan also claims the islands.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11341139

This has the potential to become major conflict between China and Japan. There needs to be a diplomatic solution because if this escalates, it can involve a military showdown between the two nations, possibly getting the US involved.

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BEIJING For the last several years, one big theme has dominated talk of the future of Asia: As China rises, its neighbors are being inevitably drawn into its orbit, currying favor with the regions new hegemonic power.

Washington is leaping into the middle of heated territorial disputes between China and Southeast Asian nations despite stern Chinese warnings that it mind its own business. The United States is carrying out naval exercises with South Korea in order to help Seoul rebuff threats from North Korea even though China is denouncing those exercises, saying that they intrude on areas where the Chinese military operates.

Meanwhile, Chinas increasingly tense standoff with Japan over a Chinese fishing trawler captured by Japanese ships in disputed waters is pushing Japan back under the American security umbrella.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/23/wo...hina.html?_r=1

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Jul. 27 U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clintons remarks on Friday regarding the longstanding South China Sea territorial dispute have garnered a strong rebuke from the powers that be in Beijing, who place the regions hundreds of islands within Chinas core interests alongside the likes of Taiwan and Tibet.

The islands of the South China Sea are seen as an integral part of Chinas expanding naval ambitions, but the territory is also believed to hold abundant oil and natural gas reserves beneath its shallow seafloor.

Speaking at the ASEAN Regional Forum in Vietnam on Friday, Clinton called the dispute a leading diplomatic priority for the United States and voiced her countrys willingness to mediate a resolution in a well orchestrated move that appeared to have the backing of many Southeast Asian nations.

The United States has a national interest in freedom of navigation, open access to Asias maritime commons and respect for international law in the South China Sea, Clinton said. She added that the United States supports a collaborative diplomatic process by all claimants for resolving the various territorial disputes without coercion.

http://www.2point6billion.com/news/2...ions-6528.html
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The Diaoyu island issue has been around for a long time, and the issue is no closer to resolution or to confrontation today than it was ten years ago.
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The Diaoyu island issue has been around for a long time, and the issue is no closer to resolution or to confrontation today than it was ten years ago.

But has it ever gotten to this stage where Japan or China have down scaled their diplomatic relations? Also the US has expressed renewed interest in getting involved in the region.

Korea and Japan have similar issues over the Dokdo/Tokto or Liancourt Rock. http://knol.google.com/k/why-is-dokd...ima-a-fiction#
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But has it ever gotten to this stage where Japan or China have down scaled their diplomatic relations?

Absolutely. Ships have been sunk. People have been killed. Then the two (four) nations (Philippines have a claim too) freeze diplomacy for a while, then things gradually thaw out. Then the cycle happens again.
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Absolutely. Ships have been sunk. People have been killed. Then the two (four) nations (Philippines have a claim too) freeze diplomacy for a while, then things gradually thaw out. Then the cycle happens again.

I didn't know that it got to this level before.

You mention 4 nations:

1. China

2. Japan

3. Philippines

4. Taiwan? or were you including the US?

Philippine claims based on what--that Taiwan was part of Philippines because of original tribal peoples?
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I didn't know that it got to this level before.

You mention 4 nations:

1. China

2. Japan

3. Philippines

4. Taiwan? or were you including the US?

Philippine claims based on what--that Taiwan was part of Philippines because of original tribal peoples?

No, fourth nation is Taiwan.

Philippines claims sovereignty over the islands, just like the others. They just aren't so vocal about it.
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No, fourth nation is Taiwan.

Philippines claims sovereignty over the islands, just like the others. They just aren't so vocal about it.

Then I guess then you recognize Taiwanese sovereignty separate from China's? I still don't see the Philippine's claims---Taiwan kinds of gets in the way, unless the Philippines at one time had claims to Taiwan.
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In other news, Blockbuster is bankrupt. I predict that music retailers and video rental and retail shops will all be out of business within 5 years. All music and video retail will be from online sources (Amazon) and megaretailers (Wal•Mart). Until all physical media is completely dead within 10 years. And I believe, quite honestly that it started with the MP3, and the next step was the iPod.

Second hand media shops like indie record shops may survive, but labels and studios will completely stop producing new content on physical media.
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In other news, Blockbuster is bankrupt. I predict that music retailers and video rental and retail shops will all be out of business within 5 years. All music and video retail will be from online sources (Amazon) and megaretailers (WalMart). Until all physical media is completely dead within 10 years. And I believe, quite honestly that it started with the MP3, and the next step was the iPod.

Second hand media shops like indie record shops may survive, but labels and studios will completely stop producing new content on physical media.

Pretty much, yeah. Soon all of this media will be delivered online, which is good. It will be interesting to see if the same fate exists for books. I suspect it will. Magazines and newspapers have also feeling the pinch. If it can be delivered digitally, it will be.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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Meanwhile the UN has reported what everyone with a conscience has always known since it happened. The flotilla attack was illegal.

Story here.
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Then I guess then you recognize Taiwanese sovereignty separate from China's?

Of course. China's claim to Taiwan is about as defensible as France's claim to Holland.
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