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It took 2.5 months to plug a leak in the Timor Sea back in October 2009. This latest leak could take as long or longer.

"Coast Guard officials said Monday afternoon that the oil spill near Louisiana was now covering more than 1,800 square miles of the Gulf of Mexico, and they have been unable to engage a mechanism that could shut off the well thousands of feet below the oceans surface."
~ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/us/27rig.html?hp
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It took 2.5 months to plug a leak in the Timor Sea back in October 2009. This latest leak could take as long or longer.

"Coast Guard officials said Monday afternoon that the oil spill near Louisiana was now covering more than 1,800 square miles of the Gulf of Mexico, and they have been unable to engage a mechanism that could shut off the well thousands of feet below the oceans surface."
~ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/us/27rig.html?hp

Drill Baby, Drill!!
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Drill Baby, Drill!!

Every technology that people are involved in potentially causes damage to the environment. Battery packs, solar cells (made from petroleum), nuclear power, hydro-electric, coal power, natural gas... Hold the companies accountable for their mistakes and ensure they clean up their messes. Don't just stop them...
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It took 2.5 months to plug a leak in the Timor Sea back in October 2009. This latest leak could take as long or longer.

"Coast Guard officials said Monday afternoon that the oil spill near Louisiana was now covering more than 1,800 square miles of the Gulf of Mexico, and they have been unable to engage a mechanism that could shut off the well thousands of feet below the oceans surface."
~ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/us/27rig.html?hp

How many people would die if we didn't use oil?

Given that number the trade-offs are worth it.

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Every technology that people are involved in potentially causes damage to the environment. Battery packs, solar cells (made from petroleum), nuclear power, hydro-electric, coal power, natural gas... Hold the companies accountable for their mistakes and ensure they clean up their messes. Don't just stop them...

Your point is valid, I was just being extra snarky because I live in a state (NC) that has (potentially) been opened up for offshore drilling by Obama. I've been able to compare the condition of beaches here with the Gulf coast, and greatly prefer ours in their current state. I'm sure the residents of Texas/Louisiana/etc. are happy with the current level of accountability in the oil drilling industry and it's lack of effect on the Gulf environment.

On a separate note since there is no dedicated thread on the subject of the rig explosion, I have to say that my pet theory (no proof, just I wouldn't be surprised if it's the case) is that this was a case of misguided eco-terrorism following the drilling expansion.

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How many people would die if we didn't use oil?

Given that number the trade-offs are worth it.

The numbers would be even better if we expanded nuclear power generation to French or Japanese levels, but for some reason many people oppose this. (I'm not one of them BTW)
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TV news just announced the volcano near us has erupted 500 times so far this year (already almost the same asa last year's total of 535), pumping out some 100,000 tons of ash a month, 90% of which seems to find my car.

They expect another 500+ eruptions this year, with perhaps increasing intensity.

Don't know if any of you have experienced ash; I hadn't before I moved here. It is a royal mess and gets into everything.

 

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On a separate note since there is no dedicated thread on the subject of the rig explosion, I have to say that my pet theory (no proof, just I wouldn't be surprised if it's the case) is that this was a case of misguided eco-terrorism following the drilling expansion.

The numbers would be even better if we expanded nuclear power generation to French or Japanese levels, but for some reason many people oppose this. (I'm not one of them BTW)

That is an interesting point to ponder about the rig explosion.

We are in complete agreement about nuclear power generation.

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That is an interesting point to ponder about the rig explosion.

We are in complete agreement about nuclear power generation.

Doesn't seem likely somehow. Unless one is a bear of very little brain.

There's an old saying; it if looks like an elephant, walks like an elephant, smells like an elephant and makes elephant noises then it's probably not a duck.

The elephant here is obviously the usual capitalist disregard of the environment and money-grabbing cost-cutting to boost profits while exercising the usual attendant ignorance and carelessness that is the hallmark of our beloved leech-sucking corporate scumbag overlords.
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Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

Not sure who the culprits are yet. Wondering whether this is a what happens when the Supreme Court doesn't rule as you like or it is simply "crazy kids":

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The 75-year-old monument was the target of a legal challenge from the ACLU, which charged the cross is a religious symbol that shouldn't be allowed on public land. The U.S. Supreme Court last month refused to order that it be torn down, as the land had already been sold to private owners.

Theories? Who, pray tell, might have done this?

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Obesity task force urges action:

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Economic incentives to provide inexpensive healthy food and insurance coverage for prevention are among a list of 70 immediate steps that can reduce U.S. childhood obesity, a White House task force recommended in a report on Tuesday.

I'm sure this will be very interesting as the U.S. government becomes a bigger part of the healthcare market, particularly paying for healthcare.

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Obama has labeled childhood obesity a national health crisis.

And we all know the Obama administration's approach to crisis.


But I wonder, have they bothered to recognize the deleterious effects that the massive farm subsidies (and well as agricultural import/export controls), particularly "King Corn" have on people's long term health. Things like making high fructose corn syrup much cheaper and corn so cheap that it (instead of grass) is used to feed cows. Or are we just going to keep stealing money from the tax payers to fund these subsidies (and support agricultural special interests) and then steal more money to help pay for their health effects?

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Doesn't seem likely somehow. Unless one is a bear of very little brain.

There's an old saying; it if looks like an elephant, walks like an elephant, smells like an elephant and makes elephant noises then it's probably not a duck.

The elephant here is obviously the usual capitalist disregard of the environment and money-grabbing cost-cutting to boost profits while exercising the usual attendant ignorance and carelessness that is the hallmark of our beloved leech-sucking corporate scumbag overlords.

It must be fun to imply insults while denying that continuing and growing threat of environmental terrorism.

What happened to the May Day pics BTW? Too busy engaging in the violence to document it?

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Obesity task force urges action:

And we all know the Obama administration's approach to crisis.

We should start a betting pool about the number of pages necessary for the "solution" to the crisis.

I'm thinking it will be at least 1400 pages of unread bill.

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Gordon Brown has stepped down as UK Prime MInister and is asking the Queen to accept his resignation at Buckingham Palace at this moment.

It's one of those moments I am glad I don't live in the UK - for all those who lived under the horror and evils of the Thatcher years they will now seem like a picnic after you just won the lottery.

In the biggest economic crisis in living memory and the country sinking faster than the Titanic the UK now has to face the horrifying prospect of Tory party rule.

From this evening when the Queen accepts Britain will be in the grip of the Tory Party.

It's a chilling and sobering prospect.

God bless you all stuck over there and I wish you all the luck you will need to live through the coming dark, dark years....

There is a beacon of hope - it's a hung parliament and they NEVER last more than a year.

If God is kind another election within 6 months....
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It's one of those moments I am glad I don't live in the UK - for all those who lived under the horror and evils of the Thatcher years they will now seem like a picnic after you just won the lottery.

Can you enumerate some (or all) of the "the horror and evils of the Thatcher years?"

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Can you enumerate some (or all) of the "the horror and evils of the Thatcher years?"

Definitely not all...would take far too long. A random sample:

Massive bankruptcies, house repossessions across the board, 4 million unemployed, businesses failing, decimation of communities.

Closing down industries to outsource leaving whole communities unemployed for a decade: coal, mining, gas and oil....all pared to the bone.

That's the tip of the iceberg for the economic depravity. The 'moral' depredations were, if anything, even worse:

Section 28 - essentially legislation against being gay.

The idea that the individual good transcends all else and the legitimacy of greed.

Selling off every last vestige of what Great Britain used to be.

The Tories have always been utter scum. I would be afraid....
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When President Obama was asked if he would play a round of golf with his talk-radio nemesis Rush Limbaugh, the response, relayed by a top Democrat, was: "Limbaugh can play with himself."


And that's why you gotta love our POTUS.

But the question remains, can Rush play with himself without the help of Viagra????
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And that's why you gotta love our POTUS.

I love Rush's response =>

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http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...106.guest.html
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Well, this ought to be interesting:

Federal judge blocks Gov. David Paterson from imposing furloughs on 100,000 state workers

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Paterson included the furloughs in an emergency spending bill to keep government running. Angry lawmakers were forced to either pass the bill, which they reluctantly did, or shut down state government.

The unions and many lawmakers argued the furloughs were illegal because they were not collectively bargained.

Paterson said he had to do it because unions leaders refused to agree to $250 million in concessions - either foregoing their 4% raises this year or agreeing to a one-week lag in their pay.

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Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

Not sure who the culprits are yet. Wondering whether this is a what happens when the Supreme Court doesn't rule as you like or it is simply "crazy kids":



Theories? Who, pray tell, might have done this?

Liberals, illegals, or illegal liberals.
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Well, this ought to be interesting:

Federal judge blocks Gov. David Paterson from imposing furloughs on 100,000 state workers

Well the Governor was wrong to try to sneak that through uncontested, but the unions are wrong (as usual in most cases) in being willing to bring the entire state to a standstill over a minor concession. Unions had their day, but it boggles my mind that most these days would rather destroy the company/industry that puts food on their table, and end up out of work, than make a reasonable concession that would help balance the budget for the year.

One of the reasons I live in a "right to work" state.
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Childhood obesity report gives D.C. a starting point for improving diets

Ya huh. \

And the money quote:

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"When people think obesity prevention, they automatically think of the Department of Health or the public school system," said Maya Rockeymoore, executive director of Leadership for Healthy Communities. Rockeymoore said every agency and group -- planning, transportation, parks and recreation, public safety, housing, " as well as community groups, churches, nonprofits, and businesses" must be involved in tackling obesity.

"When people think obesity prevention, they automatically think of the Department of Health or the public school system,"...but in fact a whole bevy of government agencies should be involved in your personal health choices.

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"When people think obesity prevention, they automatically think of the Department of Health or the public school system,"...but in fact a whole bevy of government agencies should be involved in your personal health choices.

Cutting welfare payments would encourage some to get labor jobs, thus improving citizen health. Reducing unemployment insurance would likewise push more into labor jobs, thus advancing citizen health. Both of those measures involves reducing government agencies and their toxic effect upon citizen's health and finances.
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Cutting welfare payments would encourage some to get labor jobs, thus improving citizen health. Reducing unemployment insurance would likewise push more into labor jobs, thus advancing citizen health. Both of those measures involves reducing government agencies and their toxic effect upon citizen's health and finances.

Very true, but it will remain a big issue. These people have lost all self control and whilst taxpayers funding them to just get fatter is an outrage, cutting their money supply will still mean we spends billions annually just to keep them alive and therefore gouging themselves even more. That's why personal responsibility sometimes won't happen unless we use all the tools at our disposal. Once a person has proven that they are unwilling to make serious changes to their habits it's time for us to recoup some of the losses that they have caused society. The only way to do that is to to not only STOP spending ANY more money on them but to to see if we can actually make money from them.

I see no valid reasons against using the resources of a person, especially in an age when energy exerts such a large toll on our environment. We should seek to harness that energy supply before they die and it goes to waste. They themselves have consumed already far more than their fair share of resources and simply wasted them. What we should not overlook is that they are a clean energy supply. No drilling, no radiation, no adverse effects at all to use their body fat to power clean energy. If we were take say 4 million of the one's who are the least productive and that have the greatest mounting costs just to keep them alive we would have say 300lb's per person x 4,000,000 (to begin with). That comes to 1,200,000,000 lb's of pure energy probably about enough to power a city of about 100,000 plus a year. All of that from people who were going to die anyway.

The immediate effects I would expect to be profound. Many people would start trying to get into shape. It's important that people know that they won't be used unless they clearly are making no legitimate efforts to lose weight and are above a certain weight. In order for the plan to work those used would have to be the most obese of the obese, the really hopeless cases who would otherwise die naturally without the use of very expensive drugs and medical services keeping them alive. The savings in healthcare costs will obviously be huge. It certainly is harsh and will have it's opponents but when you think of the scale of the problem and the benefits to implementing such a plan and given that we just can't afford to pay for rapidly growing numbers whether it be children or adults it becomes very clear that we need not let this crisis go to waste.

Certainly a good way to start the plan would be, like you say, to cease funding their lifestyle choices. Then to show just how much clean power we can get from fat. Many people are already familiar with cars running on the fat from restraunts. There are medical donors already who could be used as examples to the public on creating clean energy from fat to show it's viability. Over time, I would expect many grossly obese people, maybe the bulk, to volunteer, especially the environmentally aware one's as they see that they've got themselves too big to ever regain their productivity and happiness. It might sound extreme now but hopefully in the not too distant future people will be asking "why didn't we start doing that sooner?"
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Cutting welfare payments would encourage some to get labor jobs, thus improving citizen health.

And cutting welfare payments would also encourage some to pursue criminal acts to survive. Which would reduce citizen health. As well as public safety. We could add more police to compensate, adding jobs again, but the costs would likely be more than the welfare savings. And we'd be one step closer to a police state. Which is what Republican policies always seem to lean toward.

The problem with your argument, similar to free-trade and anti-immigration arguments is that it only sees one benefit of the thing you support without weighing the consequences.
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And cutting welfare payments would also encourage some to pursue criminal acts to survive.

Can you provide support for that, or is it just what you think might happen?

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Which would reduce citizen health.

Or that?

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As well as public safety.

Or that?

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We could add more police to compensate, adding jobs again, but the costs would likely be more than the welfare savings. And we'd be one step closer to a police state. Which is what Republican policies always seem to lean toward.

Oh, come on. Really...you're really going there? Cutting welfare is not just mean anymore...now it leads to a police state? Wow.

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The problem with your argument, similar to free-trade and anti-immigration arguments is that it only sees one benefit of the thing you support without weighing the consequences.

And the problem with yours is that you fail to understand some basic, proven truths:

--Need-based welfare discourages work and productivity.

--Despite spending trillion on poverty in the last 50 years, the problem has only gotten worse. At best, we've broken even with the poverty rate since the days of the Great Society.

--Welfare begets failure. Failure begets welfare. Spend some time in a high welfare area and tell me how nice the neighborhood is. In fact, take one block of a thriving neighborhood and put them on welfare and rent subsidies for a few years, and see what happens to that block. Welfare is not a cure for a problem, it IS the problem--at least how it's currently structured.
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The problem with your argument, similar to free-trade and anti-immigration arguments is that it only sees one benefit of the thing you support without weighing the consequences.

You've succinctly encapsulated what Obama is all about - he wants to insert Government in everyone's business. My point is that government is not the solution; matter of fact, in most cases, government is the problem to social issues! In this instance, reference to obesity, government contributes through welfare. Nothing quite so depressing as seeing the citizen ahead of you in the grocery line paying for their stuff with welfare checks and their content more junk food related than my own! While I am not unsympathetic to welfare, I believe it has been abused since generations of poor have grown up on it! Like squirrels in a city park, throwing out free peanuts only yields more squirrels the next day. Welfare is addictive and yields only laziness; it should be a short term commodity and certainly free government $ only contributes to obesity.
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The problem with your argument, similar to free-trade and anti-immigration arguments is that it only sees one benefit of the thing you support without weighing the consequences.

Interesting. That's exactly the same kind of thing I see with things like major government health care laws, various bailout plans, cash for clunkers, "stimulus" bills, government-driven climate change policies, etc, etc., etc.

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And cutting welfare payments would also encourage some to pursue criminal acts to survive. Which would reduce citizen health. As well as public safety. We could add more police to compensate, adding jobs again, but the costs would likely be more than the welfare savings. And we'd be one step closer to a police state. Which is what Republican policies always seem to lean toward.

The problem with your argument, similar to free-trade and anti-immigration arguments is that it only sees one benefit of the thing you support without weighing the consequences.

Interesting... So if I don't pay people not to work, they will become criminals.
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Abu Dhabi unveils world's first Gold Bar ATM:

BBC Video
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Interesting short BBC video on ash cloud- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8685229.stm
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Abu Dhabi unveils world's first Gold Bar ATM:

BBC Video

But that takes all the fun out of bartering with the vendors in the souk!
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Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

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The Supreme Court ruled Monday the federal government has the power to indefinitely keep some sex offenders behind bars after they have served their sentences, if officials determine those inmates may prove "sexually dangerous" in the future.

"The federal government, as custodian of its prisoners, has the constitutional power to act in order to protect nearby (and other) communities from the danger such prisoners may pose," Justice Stephen Breyer wrote for the 7-2 majority.

This is a very interesting decision. Questions I have:

- What is the burden of proof to 'determine those inmates may prove "sexually dangerous" in the future?'

- Who will determine if this proof has been provided? A judge? Jury? Prosecutors? Others?

- This seems like it messes a bit with the "double jeopardy" principle. Does it?

- This also seems a bit like another brick in the wall of a "pre-crime regime." Is it?

- Given the whole legal apparatus surrounding "terrorists" or potential terrorists, how long before a similar reasoning is used with them?

- Why not apply this to any crime? Murderers? Thieves? Etc.

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Who says Government Motors can't make a profit?

G.M. Posts Its First Profit in 3 Years as Sales Rise 40 Percent
~ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/bu...18auto.html?hp
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Who says Government Motors can't make a profit?

G.M. Posts Its First Profit in 3 Years as Sales Rise 40 Percent
~ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/bu...18auto.html?hp

Excuse me... what about this small nugget =>

"The Treasury Department still owns 61 percent of G.M., a stake it received in exchange for most of the money it gave to the carmaker. Taxpayers can recoup that money only through the sale of that stock."

If the government (read US taxpayer) is still on the hook for money it gave to GM, how can GM claim a profit?
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Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely



This is a very interesting decision. Questions I have:

- What is the burden of proof to 'determine those inmates may prove "sexually dangerous" in the future?'

- Who will determine if this proof has been provided? A judge? Jury? Prosecutors? Others?

- This seems like it messes a bit with the "double jeopardy" principle. Does it?

- This also seems a bit like another brick in the wall of a "pre-crime regime." Is it?

- Given the whole legal apparatus surrounding "terrorists" or potential terrorists, how long before a similar reasoning is used with them?

- Why not apply this to any crime? Murderers? Thieves? Etc.

It does seem like a system ripe for abuse if the parole board make the decisions, but I'm just guessing that that's who'd make the call. I agree with you it may well set a precedent for other crimes too. That would fundamentally change the justice system.

Here's a good decision, though I don't believe juvenilles should be locked up for life without the possibility of parole even if they have killed someone.

"WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday ruled that juveniles who commit crimes in which no one is killed may not be sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole."
~ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/us...8court.html?hp
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Excuse me... what about this small nugget =>

"The Treasury Department still owns 61 percent of G.M., a stake it received in exchange for most of the money it gave to the carmaker. Taxpayers can recoup that money only through the sale of that stock."

If the government (read US taxpayer) is still on the hook for money it gave to GM, how can GM claim a profit?

In the UK the government bailout of banks is now making the government pretty big profits because the stock has risen so much. The US government will sell that stock for a tidy sum and everyone will be happy.
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Who says Government Motors can't make a profit?

G.M. Posts Its First Profit in 3 Years as Sales Rise 40 Percent
~ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/bu...18auto.html?hp

Easy to make a profit after their entire debt was erased during the bailout, and the government handing them $billions for the Volt and other worthless projects.
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Woody Allen says President Obama should be granted dictatorial powers (seriously):

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The "Scoop" director said it would be a cool idea for President Barack Obama to be dictator for for a few years.

Why?

So he could get things done without all the hassle of opposing views getting in the way.
In an interview published by Spanish language newspaper La Vanguardia (that we translated), Allen says I am pleased with Obama. I think hes brilliant. The Republican Party should get out of his way and stop trying to hurt him.

But wait - there's more!

The director said "it would be goodif he could be a dictator for a few years because he could do a lot of good things quickly."

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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This is why we should all listen to Hollywood actors and whatever they say. They are all so intelligent and actually think through what they are spouting to the media...
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Another Evangelical Christian "Family Values" Republican resigns in disgrace.


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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican U.S. Representative Mark Souder, a self-proclaimed evangelical Christian, said on Tuesday that he had an affair with a female staffer and would resign, effective on Friday.

"I'm resigning rather than put my family through a painful drawn out process," Souder said at a hastily called news conference in his home district in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

Souder likely faced an investigation by the House of Representatives ethics committee if he did not step aside.

In a statement issued by his office, Souder, 59, said he had "sinned against God, my wife and my family by having a mutual relationship with a part-time member of my staff."
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