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post #921 of 2499
Your own medicine doesn't taste very good, does it?

 

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Your own medicine doesn't taste very good, does it?

Uh huh.

Anyway...back to the topic of your choice to respond with insults rather than factual, logical and reason-based responses...On second thought...maybe I'll wait for you to either retract the accusation of hypocrisy in that other thread (or back it up.)

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Uh huh.

Anyway...back to the topic of your choice to respond with insults rather than factual, logical and reason-based responses...On second thought...maybe I'll wait for you to either retract the accusation of hypocrisy in that other thread (or back it up.)

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...back to the topic of your choice to respond with insults rather than factual, logical and reason-based responses.

Do you mean like for instance " Sweetie "?

Just asking.
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post #924 of 2499
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First, using little rhetorical tricks like "the state of Texas against an entire country" doesn't really bolster your argument at all.



Maybe. Maybe not.




I have no doubt of that. But, as I said, I think Texas would have far more to fear from the U.S.




Are you saying that governments have a tendency and inclination toward plunder, violence and theft?


What's most interesting about your replies on this topic is your inclination toward a rather dystopian outlook for anyone not under the paternal protection of the U.S. government. As if anyone, without the mighty and benevolent protection and care of the U.S. government, would be utterly defenseless, lost, unable to care for themselves and even poverty-stricken.

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First, using little rhetorical tricks like "the state of Texas against an entire country" doesn't really bolster your argument at all.

Well I'm just saying they wouldn't stand a chance. I'm sure they'd put up a fight but really the entire country of Mexico? Of course the U. S. wouldn't allow it in the end so it's a moot point. But really they'd lose.

[QUOTEWhat's most interesting about your replies on this topic is your inclination toward a rather dystopian outlook for anyone not under the paternal protection of the U.S. government. As if anyone, without the mighty and benevolent protection and care of the U.S. government, would be utterly defenseless, lost, unable to care for themselves and even poverty-stricken][/QUOTE]

Well I just think the idea of Texas succeeding because conservatives aren't really getting their way these days ( which is really the main reason in a nutshell ) is really dumb and kind of childish/shortsighted. But whatever floats their collective boat.
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post #925 of 2499
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Originally Posted by jimmac View Post

Do you mean like for instance " Sweetie "?

Just asking.

Not at all. Sweetie as I used it with you was used as a term of condescension. Now it's possible that BR was being condescending, but I suspect he was simply being insulting.

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post #926 of 2499
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Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post

Not at all. Sweetie as I used it with you was used as a term of condescension. Now it's possible that BR was being condescending, but I suspect he was simply being insulting.

Condescension is a form of insult. And just look what goes with it :

[QUOTEDICTIONARY
condescension
Definition
con·de·scen·sion[ kòndə sénshən ]NOUN
1. snobby and pretentiously kind manner: behavior that implies that somebody is graciously lowering himself or herself to the level of people less important or intelligent
[ Mid-17th century. Via French < ecclesiastical Latin condescension- < condescendere (see condescend) ]
Thesaurus
NOUN
Synonyms: disdain, arrogance, superciliousness, aloofness, haughtiness, snobbery, pomposity, snootiness, contempt Antonyms: respect
][/QUOTE]

Not really surprising.
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post #927 of 2499
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Well I'm just saying they wouldn't stand a chance.

I understand what you opinion of the matter is. I was simply pointing out that your method of argumentation was merely an attempt at a rhetorical trick.


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Of the U. S. wouldn't allow it in the end so it's a moot point.

And so we get back the point I originally stated which is that Texas would have far more to fear from the US than from Mexico. The US's predilection for violence has become ever more clear as time goes on. Sadly this hasn't really abated under the latest administration.

But another possibility, if Texas were to pursue its independence, is other countries entering into collaboration, trade and alliance with the new nation of Texas. Not all international relations need be violent, but they can be collaborative and friendly. For example, the American colonies seceded from the British empire...but now the US and the UK are buddies.


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But really they'd lose.

Repetition of your opinion doesn't a logical argument make.


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Well I just think the idea of Texas succeeding [sic] because conservatives aren't really getting their way these days ( which is really the main reason in a nutshell ) is really dumb and kind of childish/shortsighted. But whatever floats their collective boat.

Secession is certainly not something to be undertaken lightly and I agree that some (but not all) in Texas are likely reacting in a knee-jerk manner. However, one must wonder whether or not the US is too big...trying to mash too many different goals, ideas and value systems together. I think the US has become more balkanized politically, socially, culturally and economically than maybe 50 or 100 years ago.

It actually seems like a reasonable question to ask whether or not the US might work better as a small set of independent nations (NOTE: This might not fall along current state boundaries.)

Furthermore the idea of self-determination and self-governance and independence and liberty suggests that peaceful* secession is a reasonable pathway for large sub-sets of a larger population.

*NOTE: The seceding group might attempt to do so peacefully but, often, the former "parent" entity (e.g., the US government) might respond with violence. I would fully expect the US government to respond to any secession attempts with violence. The US doesn't like when other try to escape from its control. In that way its sorta like an abusive husband.

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Condescension is a form of insult.

It could be, but not necessarily. Condescension is a show of disdain and superiority in which the condescending person patronizes, or considers him/herself superior and "descends" to the level of, the disdained person.

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It could be, but not necessarily. Condescension is a show of disdain and superiority in which the condescending person patronizes, or considers him/herself superior and "descends" to the level of, the disdained person.

Yes but since you've been observed here so well everyone knows that can't be the case so it's an insult. Of course I'm not the only one you've used it with so you must think of yourself as superior to many. Kind of like the mad scientist that says " I'll show you all! ".

Oh well.
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post #930 of 2499
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Yes but since you've been observed here so well everyone knows that can't be the case so it's an insult.

Everyone? Are you speaking for everyone?


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Of course I'm not the only one you've used it with so you must think of yourself as superior to many.

No, only those I've used it with.

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...Texas succeeding because conservatives aren't really getting their way these days...

First of all, Texas isn't succeeding at all, unless you mean succeeding at having the worst education system in the country, and stuff like that. But If Texas were ever to succeed, it would be because Conservatives aren't really getting their way.

Yes, I know you meant seceding.
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Well I'm just saying they wouldn't stand a chance. I'm sure they'd put up a fight but really the entire country of Mexico? Of course the U. S. wouldn't allow it in the end so it's a moot point. But really they'd lose.

[QUOTEWhat's most interesting about your replies on this topic is your inclination toward a rather dystopian outlook for anyone not under the paternal protection of the U.S. government. As if anyone, without the mighty and benevolent protection and care of the U.S. government, would be utterly defenseless, lost, unable to care for themselves and even poverty-stricken]

Well I just think the idea of Texas succeeding because conservatives aren't really getting their way these days ( which is really the main reason in a nutshell ) is really dumb and kind of childish/shortsighted. But whatever floats their collective boat.[/QUOTE] The Texans are not that bright anyway. Look at the idiot George W Bush.
post #933 of 2499
Way to generalize. There are plenty of bright Texans. George W. Bush just wasn't one of them.
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First of all, Texas isn't succeeding at all, unless you mean succeeding at having the worst education system in the country, and stuff like that. But If Texas were ever to succeed, it would be because Conservatives aren't really getting their way.

Yes, I know you meant seceding.

Gosh I guess I'm not the only lousy speller here.
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Everyone? Are you speaking for everyone?




No, only those I've used it with.

So like I've said = insult. And yes you've been observed by everyone here. I think if we took a vote you'd voted most likely to be determined, tenacious, and arrogant ( forgive me but it was used with the definition of Condescenion so if the shoe fits... ). But that doesn't make you superior.
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And yes you've been observed by everyone here.

Clever. I see what you're trying to do there.


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I think if we took a vote you'd voted most likely to be determined, tenacious, and arrogant

OK


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But that doesn't make you superior.

Agreed. Those aren't the characteristics that make me superior.

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Obama lifts freeze on Guantanamo trials:

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President Barack Obama lifted a ban yesterday on new military trials for Guantanamo Bay terror suspects, apparently conceding that the camp he has vowed to close will not be emptied any time soon.

Obama also issued new guidelines to ensure humane and lawful treatment of suspects deemed too dangerous to release, but officials insisted he was still determined to shutter the controversial war on terror facility in Cuba.


Obama signs off on indefinite detention for Guantanamo detainees:

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Two years ago, Obama vowed in an executive order to close the infamous military detention centre in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Today, in another executive order, the U.S. president created a formal system allowing the indefinite detention of Guantanamo prisoners. His administration also announced that it will start new military commission trials for detainees of the prison. Officials said that Obama is still committed to closing the prison, while he did not mention it himself in a short statement on Monday.

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Let us not forget the third country he will probably start a war in within the middle east.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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Let us not forget the third country he will probably start a war in within the middle east.

I assume you're referring to something other than the secret war they're allegedly running in Pakistan. If so, make that the fourth country.

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Clever. I see what you're trying to do there.




OK




Agreed. Those aren't the characteristics that make me superior.

Well when you find some real reasons to believe that get back to me.
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Well when you find some real reasons to believe that get back to me.

I would, but I don't expect you to believe them, so what's the point?

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I would, but I don't expect you to believe them, so what's the point?



Truly superior people don't need to advertise.
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post #943 of 2499
Unintended consequences start to show themselves:

Debit cards: $50 spending limit coming?

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Right now, every time you swipe your debit card, your bank charges the retailer an average fee of 44 cents, which it shares with its partners. Those little fees, however, add up to about $16 billion per year, according to 2009 data from the Federal Reserve.

But as part of the Wall Street reform legislation that was passed last year, these fees are being slashed. The Fed is currently proposing rules that would go into effect in July and would cap interchange fees at 12 cents.

That's a big enough cut to cost Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) more than $1 billion a year. And Chase may not be alone. Other major issuers are also projecting huge losses from the interchange fee cap.

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And consumers would end up feeling the pain when Bank of America is forced to recoup costs "by increasing the cost of their everyday debit card transactions, limiting their payment choices, and impacting industry innovation," according to the email.

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Aside from mulling over a limit on transaction amounts, Chase is already testing $3 monthly fees on debit cards and $15 fees on checking accounts in certain states. Additionally, the bank announced in November that it has stopped issuing debit rewards cards.

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If a cap like this does make its way into accounts across the board, consumers would be forced to write checks, withdraw cash from ATMs, or put their spending on credit cards.

"The whole model on the debit card side is in flux because of Dodd-Frank," said Brian Riley, senior research director at financial services consulting firm TowerGroup. "The unfortunate thing is that the people who will really get hurt on this are the people who need the most help."

Many consumers with bad credit aren't able to qualify for credit cards -- and when they do, it's often with hefty rates and fees. Additionally, ATMs typically only dole out a limited amount of money at a time and checking accounts are being loaded with fees.

Oops.

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^ No that's just greedy evil banks being greedy and evil. Time to put our boot to someone's neck!
post #945 of 2499
Big, big earthquake (8.9???) off Japan's north-east coast. Large tsunamis hitting the coast. Fires in Tokyo.
The videos are unbelievable.

 

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post #946 of 2499
This quake was huge.

The tsunami was incredible.

 

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Chuck Schumer caught telling the truth:

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Sen. Chuck Schumer was caught in a candid moment Tuesday, instructing fellow Democratic senators to describe GOP spending cuts as "extreme" and to blame the Tea Party for preventing House Speaker John Boehner from cutting a deal to end the budget stalemate, unaware his comments were being listened to by reporters on a conference call.

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"OK," Schumer could be heard telling senators who were preparing to address reporters on the call. "The main thrust is basically that we want to negotiate and we want to come up with a compromise but the Tea Party is pulling Boehner too far over to the right."

"I always use the word extreme," said Schumer, the third-ranking Senate Democrat who is in charge of his party's political messaging. "That's what the caucus instructed me to do the other week."

As if on cue, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California, opened the call by urging Boehner "to abandon the extreme right wing of his Republican caucus and come and compromise with us."

Sen. Tom Carper, D-Delaware, followed. He complained about "some of our right-wing extremist friends in the House."

Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Maryland, was next. He urged Boehner that "this is not about satisfying the extreme elements of the Republican caucus."

The repetition on the theme went on from there.

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Asked by CNN about how the precall incident happened, Schumer shrugged, "I don't know." Then he quickly got back on message, arguing the cuts in the House Republican bill HR 1 - go too far.

"I do think HR 1 is extreme. And almost everyone in our caucus does," he said before slipping onto the Senate floor.

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Chuck Schumer caught telling the truth:

Good for him. The Republican cuts ARE extreme, harmful, and it's important that Democrats use a unified message to get this point across. What's the problem here? He didn't ask anyone to lie.
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Good for him. The Republican cuts ARE extreme, harmful, and it's important that Democrats use a unified message to get this point across. What's the problem here? He didn't ask anyone to lie.

Good of you to get on message. Kudos tonton.

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Woman faces charges for alleged threats to kill Wisconsin lawmakers:

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A Wisconsin woman, apparently enraged over the new state law that limits collective bargaining for government workers, is being accused of sending e-mails to 16 Republican state senators threatening to kill them.

Katherine Windels, 26, faces four counts of using a computer to threaten, injure, or harm and creating a bomb scare, authorities said.

A criminal complaint released by the Dane County District Attorney's Office alleges that the woman from Cross Plains, Wisconsin, admitted to the threats. She said she sent the e-mails because she was angry at lawmakers who voted to limit collective bargaining for about 300,000 state workers.

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"We feel that you and your republican dictators have to die...I as well as many others know where you and your family live ... We have all planned to assault you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. ... We feel it's worth our lives because we would be saving the lives of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones," the e-mail said.

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Woman faces charges for alleged threats to kill Wisconsin lawmakers:



What she wrote:

A complete nutjob. So?

MJ, what do you think about the Wisconsin legislation?
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A complete nutjob. So?

Just thought it was interesting.


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MJ, what do you think about the Wisconsin legislation?

I haven't read the specific legislation or followed the situation too closely. But, I'm not opposed to unions at all. Everyone should have the freedom to both associate or disassociate with anyone they wish. Everyone should have the freedom to delegate employment negotiation to whomever they wish. However...no one should have any special, government-protected privileges that force an employer to negotiate with them or with their union, or force anyone to join a union or pay its dues, or force an employer to collect those dues.

Ultimately this case is unclear to me but I suspect, given the sloppy and imprecise use of language these days, that when it is said that the unions are being "stripped of their collective bargaining 'rights'" what's really happening is they are being stripped of the so-called "right" to force the employer (in this case the school districts or the state) to negotiate with the union. I would be fine with stripping them if this so-called "right."

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http://www.desmogblog.com/right-wing...recruit-trolls

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The public relations firm charged on behalf of a political organization to recruit young trolls ennumerated the ideal skillsets of desireable candidates. Successful saboteurs of honest conversation were to be chosen based on strong writing skills, consistent tone, ability to*find or make up facts and statistics to rouse controversy. The ability to use humour, sarcasm and personal insults was considered an asset, and*bonuses were offered for particularly biting and provocative commentary that caused a stir.
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post #957 of 2499

What a waste of money. Not because it is Obama, but seriously, $1 billion?!? Politics gets to be bigger business all the time. When the budget goes up this high during a down economy someone's priorities are not in order.
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"Campaigners on behalf of Bradley Manning, the US soldier accused of leaking classified cables to WikiLeaks, have welcomed assurances that the British government will restate its "concerns" to Washington over the soldier's treatment.

Manning, whose mother is Welsh, is being held in a military prison in Virginia, after being arrested in May 2010 on suspicion of leaking data including 250,000 diplomatic cables to the site.

His supporters argue that the conditions of his imprisonment he is held in solitary confinement, stripped of his clothes every night and subjected to continual checks because he is deemed a suicide risk are punitive and unduly harsh. The UN has launched an inquiry into whether his conditions amount to torture.

In a parliamentary debate late on Monday, the Foreign Office minister Henry Bellingham said staff at the British embassy in Washington had expressed concerns to the state department on 29 March about the treatment of Manning, who has not been tried or convicted. In response to the debate, he said, "we will instruct our officials at our embassy in Washington again to report our concerns to officials in the state department".

While acknowledging that Manning's lawyer has stated that he does not hold a British passport or consider himself to be British, the minister stressed that the soldier "is British by descent" despite being born in the US, thanks to his mother's nationality.

Naomi Colvin, from the UK Friends of Bradley Manning, welcomed the sympathetic approach of British ministers, adding: "We want Bradley to be given consular access. The British government should now support his family here in Wales, and somebody from the embassy should be visiting Bradley to report back."

The question of the 23-year-old soldier's conditions of detention was becoming a "strongly-felt issue" in Wales, said Colvin, "and Welsh nationalists in Plaid Cymru are keen to take this on".

Manning's father Brian, now divorced from his mother, met and married her when he was himself in the US military and stationed at Brawdy, near Haverfordwest. Manning was born in Oklahoma but spent some of his teenage years in Wales.

The case was raised in parliament by the Labour MP Ann Clwyd, who chairs the all-party parliamentary group on human rights. She said Manning's treatment was "cruel and unnecessary and we should be saying so". In response, Bellingham acknowledged that the US president, Barack Obama, had received assurances from the US military that Manning's treatment was "appropriate" and met "basic standards", but restated the government's commitment to "a foreign policy that will always have support for human rights ... at its irreducible core."

"As far as Her Majesty's government are concerned, the conditions in which an individual is detained must meet international standards," he said. "Conditions that fail to meet this standard may amount to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. This is particularly important for an individual in pre-trial detention.""
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"Highly embarrassing colonial-era files detailing the British army's repressive tactics against Mau Mau insurgents in Kenya during the 1950s will be revealed in a landmark compensation case.

The discovery of thousands of documents withheld for decades from the Kenyan government will raise awkward questions about the Foreign Office's attempt to deny liability for the allegedly systematic mistreatment of thousands of Kikuyu victims prior to independence.

The case, brought by four survivors of the notorious detention camps operated by the colonial authorities could also set a precedent by forcing the release of files relating to other colonies once controlled by the UK.

During the so-called "Emergency", detainees were subjected to arbitrary killings, castrations, sexual abuse, forced labour, starvation and violence from camp guards, lawyers for the detainees will argue in the high court on Thursday.

Among those detained and abused was Barack Obama's grandfather."
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"The next big offshore oil disaster could take place in the remote Arctic seas where hurricane-force winds, 30ft seas, sub-zero temperatures and winter darkness would overwhelm any clean-up attempts, a new report warns.

With the ban on offshore drilling lifted in the Gulf of Mexico, big oil companies such as Royal Dutch Shell are pressing hard for the Obama administration to grant final approval to Arctic drilling. Shell has invested more than $2bn to drill off Alaska's north coast, and is campaigning to begin next summer.

But the report, Oil spill prevention and response in the US Arctic Ocean, by the Pew Environment Group, warns that oil companies are not ready to deal with a spill, despite the lessons of the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico.

"There is a lot of pressure by Shell to drill this summer," Marilyn Heiman, director of the US Arctic programme at Pew said. "But the oil companies are just not prepared for the Arctic. The spill plans are thoroughly inadequate."

It took BP three months to bring its ruptured well under control. The former chief executive, Tony Hayward, admitted this week that the company had to improvise its response plan as it went along.

Trying to clean up a spill in the extreme conditions of the Arctic would be on an entirely different order of magnitude. "The risks, difficulties, and unknowns of oil exploration in the Arctic are far greater than in any other area," the report said.

The consequences for the Arctic's environment would be dire, it said, wiping out populations of walrus, seal and polar bear and destroying the isolated indigenous communities that depend on hunting to survive."
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...=ILCNETTXT3487

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