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A new test of touchscreen smartphones with a precise laboratory robot has confirmed what a human test already concluded: Apple's iPhone touchscreen is far and away the most accurate touch panel on the market.

The test, conducted by MOTO Labs, compared an iPhone using the SimpleDraw application with a number of other touchscreen smartphones: Google Nexus One, Motorola Droid, Palm Pre, HTC Droid Eris, and BlackBerry Storm 2. As the company, which has no relation to Motorola, discovered earlier this year, the iPhone is in first, followed by the Google Nexus One in a distant second place.

The test was done with both a 7mm robotic "finger," for a "medium touch," and a 4mm robotic finger to represent a "very light" touch. In both tests, the iPhone was found to have straight and accurate lines, with some weaknesses at the edge of the panel with the light touch.

In second was the Nexus One, which MOTO said had "solid performance" much like the Droid Eris, also manufactured by HTC. Both handsets were also specifically named in Apple's patent lawsuit against HTC filed early this month. Apple has accused HTC of "stealing" its patented iPhone technologies, which include touchscreen capabilities.

Both the Palm Pre and BlackBerry Storm 2 performed well in the medium test, but produced significant signal loss when the very light touch was employed.

The poorest performer of the bunch was the Motorola Droid, which featured "significant waviness and stair-stepping," even with the medium touch test. In the light touch, signal drops were extremely common.



MOTO noted that the touch panel alone does not make a good phone -- it must perform well in combination with the phone's operating system to ensure responsiveness for the user. With that, the labs said they do not expect such a high level of variation to exist in future smartphones.

"We know for a fact that the solutions in these phones (other than the iPhone) are all last-generation silicon and touch panel components -- the other touch screen makers are hard at work perfecting their new solutions, and they may just leapfrog Apple in some areas when they arrive on the market over the next year," the report said.
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I agree.
And with my Power Support non- glare film cover, as applied by an Apple store employee himself, it's even better.
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We already knew this.

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"We know for a fact that the solutions in these phones (other than the iPhone) are all last-generation silicon and touch panel components -- the other touch screen makers are hard at work perfecting their new solutions, and they may just leapfrog Apple in some areas when they arrive on the market over the next year," the report said.

Except Apple isn't stopping iPhone development. Oops.
post #4 of 130
No wonder the DROID hype has turned cold like a stale bread. Storm of course went out more like a drizzle. The rest are just copycats.

They will never leapfrog over Apple, because Apple has at least 2yrs advancement and refinement over all of them. It will only get better with time.

iPhone rules. Time will come when will take over 50% of the smartphone market. It will take time, but it sure will happen.
post #5 of 130
keep copying, guys...you're getting close to the iphone...
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A new test of touchscreen smartphones with a precise laboratory robot has confirmed what a human test already concluded: Apple's iPhone touchscreen is far and away the most accurate touch panel on the market.


Yes we all knew this, but what remains to be seen is how accurate the iPad's touchscreen will be.

A problem with touchscreens is the stylus is a big, fat, greasy, gets in the way, finger, lacking the fine pixel level control a cursor point provides.

What would be very interesting to see if the iPad will respond to the detail a stylus provides, and if very positive, then the iPad would make a very interesting device for sketch artists.

If it accepts very detailed and multiple input, then perhaps a whole new breed of paint brushes will appear to mimic real ones and one can just naturally paint too.

Also to see if a mouse/cursor/walcom will work with the iPad, it already has a optional physical keyboard.

Talk about trying to turn the iPad back into a real computer.
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No wonder the DROID hype has turned cold like a stale bread. Storm of course went out more like a drizzle. The rest are just copycats.

They will never leapfrog over Apple, because Apple has at least 2yrs advancement and refinement over all of them. It will only get better with time.

iPhone rules. Time will come when will take over 50% of the smartphone market. It will take time, but it sure will happen.

You are soooo right!! They just won't match them!
post #8 of 130
You know guys.. Imagine how much market share iPhone will
have once they go to verion?The landfills will be full of DROIDS!lol
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Originally Posted by Woohoo! View Post

Yes we all knew this, but what remains to be seen is how accurate the iPad's touchscreen will be.

It's using Apple's touchscreen technology. How the hell accurate do you THINK it will be?

LOL, dollars-to-donuts it'll be pretty damn accurate.
post #10 of 130
Lets see... Apple iPhone. iPhone 3g. iPhone 3gs.

To the best of my knowledge, there have been some minor 'under the hood' changes in processor/dram, but not a lot of change on the touch hardware itself.

So... the companies that are playing catch-up will 'leap frog' the iPhone while Apple obligingly does nothing.

As I don't intend to do any complex drafting on my smart phone, I fail to see how these companies can 'leap frog' the iPhone? I mean, the 'stylus' isn't going to get any more percise (damn fat fingers anyway). So, how much 'better' can the touch experience get?

Yes the iPhone misses my taps some times, and I mis-tap. But a more accurate touchscreen can't shrink the target size, or the gutter size much because my greasy finger won't get more accurate.
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Once again proof why it doesn't matter to have best spec and it shouldn't be buying factor. What you want to have is a device that performs as advertised.

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post #12 of 130
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We know for a fact that the solutions in these phones (other than the iPhone) are all last-generation silicon and touch panel components

Palm Pre released June 6, 2009
iPhone 3GS released June 19, 2009
Motorola Droid released October 17, 2009
Blackberry Storm 2 released October 28, 2009
HTC Droid Eris released November 6, 2009
Google Nexus One released January 5, 2010

Why is it that phones that were released after the last iPhone update are using last-gen silicon and touch panel components while an older iPhone isn't?

That seems like as much of a black eye to these phones as their test results.
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Well it looks like Apple actually did their touch homework.

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post #14 of 130
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What would be very interesting to see if the iPad will respond to the detail a stylus provides, and if very positive, then the iPad would make a very interesting device for sketch artists.

I've been thinking the same.
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I've been thinking the same.

I must say that I was pretty blown away by the sensitivity of the newer iPhones. In fact, the last item I purchased at the local Apple Store required me to "sign" on the screen, just using my finger. It was odd at first, but my signature showed up crisp and clear, as if I had used a pen.

Very impressive indeed.
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"Our competitors can't touch this... at least not accurately."


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Palm Pre released June 6, 2009
iPhone 3GS released June 19, 2009
Motorola Droid released October 17, 2009
Blackberry Storm 2 released October 28, 2009
HTC Droid Eris released November 6, 2009
Google Nexus One released January 5, 2010

Why is it that phones that were released after the last iPhone update are using last-gen silicon and touch panel components while an older iPhone isn't?

Because you can't put it on a spec sheet, so they focused on the display resolution, OLED, CPU clockrate, etc. while ignoring anything to do with the user experience.
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Yes the iPhone misses my taps some times, and I mis-tap. But a more accurate touchscreen can't shrink the target size, or the gutter size much because my greasy finger won't get more accurate.

Likely a cold finger doesn't register as well as a warm one.

I have to tell my older clients to stick their finger under their arm or in their mouths to warm it up before using touch devices.
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It's using Apple's touchscreen technology. How the hell accurate do you THINK it will be?

LOL, dollars-to-donuts it'll be pretty damn accurate.

Are the iPhone's LCD panel and touch sensors designed by Apple?
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Where are the trolls TECHSTUD and extremeskater?
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Another step towards Skynet...
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I have to tell my older clients to stick their finger under their arm or in their mouths to warm it up before using touch devices.

WOAH!! Too much information, dude!
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Another step towards Skynet...

Reading the new AI article about the military going to Apple, which is already using Apple products extensively, I was thinking more along the lines of Umbrella Corp. from Resident Evil.
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Where are the trolls TECHSTUD and extremeskater?

See post #1 - no trolling but still managing to insinuate negativity. Hard not to when you are wired that way.
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Likely a cold finger doesn't register as well as a warm one.

I have to tell my older clients to stick their finger under their arm or in their mouths to warm it up before using touch devices.

I'm trying to wrap my head around this statement.. and getting a headache in the process.

The iPhone touch pad is based on changes in charge/capacitence. The temperature of the finger (within reason) should have no effect. I use my iphone in sub zero weather. This guy is on crack.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around this statement.. and getting a headache in the process.

The iPhone touch pad is based on changes in charge/capacitence. The temperature of the finger (within reason) should have no effect. I use my iphone in sub zero weather. This guy is on crack.

There is a causal relationship between a warm finger and extra cold finger being synced by a capacitance touchscreen, but I'd think that his notions would require more than a moment for appropriate blood flow to return to the tips. Seems like he's talking through his Bing hole again.
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There is a causal relationship between a warm finger and extra cold finger being synced by a capacitance touchscreen, but I'd think that his notions would require more than a moment for appropriate blood flow to return to the tips. Seems like he's talking our his Bing hole again.

I'm seeing Mr Burns here and its not pretty, but I agree, cold weather and cold hands has never reduced the sensitivity of my iPhone's screen.
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We already knew this.



Except Apple isn't stopping iPhone development. Oops.

It is odd how articles about Apple product advantages so often say, but someday competitors might go from being behind to being ahead. Kind of a useless statement!
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The iPhone touch pad is based on changes in charge/capacitence. The temperature of the finger (within reason) should have no effect. I use my iphone in sub zero weather. This guy is on crack.

At least, he's being upfront, by admitting that he is from "ipadhateville."
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unfair test

measuring capacitive to resistive. Of course "very light touch" will work best on capacitive.

This is the kind of mindless dribble you fanboys latch on to and drool over.

Umm... Which of these phones have a resistive screen? As far as I know, they're all capacitive.
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At least, he's being upfront, by admitting that he is from "ipadhateville."

He's on another thread calling referring to the US president as Osama. Why hasn't he been banned yet?
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Umm... Which of these phones have a resistive screen? As far as I know, they're all capacitive.

My shoe tastes nasty

I guess I was thrown off by the whole "light press" thing. I thought capacitive just worked no matter how hard you pressed.
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I find all the apple-sheep high-fiving each other in this thread hilarious.

How is having a 4mm-wide robotic touch relevant?

How many of your fingers are 4mm wide?
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unfair test

measuring capacitive to resistive. Of course "very light touch" will work best on capacitive.

This is the kind of mindless dribble you fanboys latch on to and drool over.

<sigh>
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Originally Posted by OC4Theo View Post

No wonder the DROID hype has turned cold like a stale bread. Storm of course went out more like a drizzle. The rest are just copycats.

They will never leapfrog over Apple, because Apple has at least 2yrs advancement and refinement over all of them. It will only get better with time.

iPhone rules. Time will come when will take over 50% of the smartphone market. It will take time, but it sure will happen.

You should see the Android fanboys over on Engadget making all types of excuses for the Droid's performance. They're coming with classics like...

"it's not the Droid itself, it's the drivers..."

"iphone has less resolution"

"Seems to me like the robot was designed around the iphone? I am sure the robot path can be made perfect on any single phone and then when you use that same path on other phones it doesn't work so well."

But you know, Robots are Apple fanboys too.
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unfair test

measuring capacitive to resistive. Of course "very light touch" will work best on capacitive.

This is the kind of mindless dribble you fanboys latch on to and drool over.

Only, afaik, all of the above phones are capacitive. And resistive wouldn't have the wavy lines that capacitive does because it doesn't need to do guesswork. Thus conducting this test on resistive screens would be pretty irrelevant... and definitely wouldn't need a 4mm wide stylus.

Nice to see the Droids godawful touch screen confirmed a little more scientifically. I was excited about the Droid until I got my hands on one and realised it was the biggest pile of ugly, unresponsive, under-clocked crap sporting the worst keyboard I've ever used. I thank the gods I didn't buy one.

Now, where can I buy one of these 4mm robotic fingers? The iPhone is a Settlers free play mode and a stylus away from being un-put-down-able.
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<sigh>

yeah get over it. I already acknowledged my mistake (which you so conveniently left out of your quote.)
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<sigh>

He already made note of his error for all to see. Which is why he's having fillet of . . . sole.

Next time I make an error like that, I hope I can admit as much too.

EDIT: He beat me to it.
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But you know, Robots are Apple fanboys too.

You mean fan-bots....
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EDIT: He beat me to it.

Dammit! I was going to reply with...
Chronster already made note of Champ's post.
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yeah get over it. I already acknowledged my mistake (which you so conveniently left out of your quote.)

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He already made note of his error for all to see. Which is why he's having fillet of . . . sole.

Next time I make an error like that, I hope I can admit as much too.

EDIT: He beat me to it.

I think champ was -- imho, rightly -- sighing over the insults from chronster.

Regardless of whether he was right or wrong about capacitive/resistive, the put-downs were juvenile and unnecessary.
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