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Leaders of the U.S. Army's technology command visited Apple's Cupertino, Calif., campus earlier this month to talk about existing products, including the forthcoming iPad, and the development of new, user-friendly technology for use on the front lines.

Maj. Gen. Nick Justice, commanding general with Research, Development and Engineering Command, was joined by key members of his staff on the visit to Apple headquarters on March 5, the Army announced this week. Apple's "it just works" philosophy in particular has caught the Army's eye, as the military agency hopes to create future devices that are simple to use for its soldiers on the battlefield.

"Apple technologies offer unique and proven solutions with intuitive designs that allow users to learn quickly without a training manual," Ron Szymanski, lead computer scientist with the Army's Communications-Electronics Research, Development and Engineering Center, reportedly said. "The Army would like to leverage Apple's experience when designing military operations."

The tour allowed the military officials to see Apple's laboratories and other facilities. Members of the Army also provided the company of examples where existing Apple products are in use on the battlefield. The report noted that the Army's research and development command is currently evaluating a number of handheld solutions from Apple, including the forthcoming iPad, as well as the iPhone, iPod, iMac and MacBook platforms.

The Army's use of Apple products has been growing for years. In 2008, it was revealed that the military had employed custom iPods for on-the-spot translating in Iraq. The new method offered soldiers the ability to translate with technology a fraction of the size and cost of the previously utilized technology.

Photo courtesy U.S. Army, credit C. Todd Lopez

The Army has also used Macs in its IT infrastructure to deter potential hacking attempts, and just last October implemented Apple hardware for video surveillance installations. The Mac hardware was selected, officials said, for security purposes.

This week's latest report noted that the Army's Communications-Electronics Research and Development Center has developed numerous command and control solutions for handheld devices like the iPhone. Currently, the agency is supporting the development and transition of two new iPhone applications: a counter-insurgency information collection tool known as COIN Collector, and a combined planning and social networking environment dubbed MilSpace.

In addition, the Army's official science and technology blog, Army Technology Live, reportedly released a public iPhone application last month, providing news, updates and media to military personnel all from one location.
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Who would Jesus bomb?
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Who would Jesus bomb?

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Just to clarify -

The US military is called "Defense" but in reality it is all about offense - attacking and subjugating countries that would not attack us, unless of course we provoked them.

Can you believe we (occupy) have bases in over 100 countries. Vietnam was never a threat yet we invaded them and subjected American citizens to slavery, er I mean a draft, to fulfill objectives of the old men in charge. We conquered and invaded Iraq on deliberately false pretense and show no sign of getting out. Even 9/11 was a response to significant American meddling in Middle Eastern affairs - so we invaded Afghanistan and are now we are stuck there.

It's disappointing to see Apple get involved with the treacherous (but very lucrative) tentacacles of the US military. But hey, stock price will go up on this news, so that's all that matters!
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Please, no posting of your political and religious views. We have enough arguing here over the future of tech, we don't need to escalate it anymore.
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No "questionable" apps for the app store, but helping in the murder of thousands is fine apparently.

Go Apple!
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Just to clarify -

The US military is called "Defense" but in reality it is all about offense - attacking and subjugating countries that would not attack us, unless of course we provoked them.

Can you believe we (occupy) have bases in over 100 countries. Vietnam was never a threat yet we invaded them and subjected American citizens to slavery, er I mean a draft, to fulfill objectives of the old men in charge. We conquered and invaded Iraq on deliberately false pretense and show no sign of getting out. Even 9/11 was a response to significant American meddling in Middle Eastern affairs - so we invaded Afghanistan and are now we are stuck there.

It's disappointing to see Apple get involved with the treacherous (but very lucrative) tentacacles of the US military. But hey, stock price will go up on this news, so that's all that matters!

Just to clarify -
The U.S. military has been a customer of Apple since, at least, the release of The Macintosh. (1984)
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Alright for Apple!
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Another option for the iPad is a kevlar case.
無心 The idea of wilderness needs no defense, it only needs defenders., Wilderness is not a luxury but a necessity of the human spirit__Edward Abbey
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I have an inside scoop. The military is looking to buy a large supply of iPads which will be used during their high school recruitment programs. After taking an aptitude test on the iPad, the results of which are instantly sent to the Pentagon, kids get to play a game of "America's Army" with their classmates, plowing down those 'evil doers.'

Anyone who signs up that day gets to take the iPad home with them. More importantly though, they will learn what it means to be an American!
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Another option for the iPad is a kevlar case.

Sign me up for the Kevlar case with balistic glass bezel ;-) As long as it doesn't interfere with the touch interface, of course.

<-- I drop things /toe
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Please, no posting of your political and religious views. We have enough arguing here over the future of tech, we don't need to escalate it anymore.

What about discussion of teh Jesus Phone?

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No "questionable" apps for the app store, but helping in the murder of thousands is fine apparently.

Go Apple!

What? You'd rather they use a Microsoft product? (Cue the 'blue screen of death' jokes)...

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The iPad is most definitely not Solider proofed!

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Just to clarify -

The US military is called "Defense" but in reality it is all about offense - attacking and subjugating countries that would not attack us, unless of course we provoked them.

Can you believe we (occupy) have bases in over 100 countries. Vietnam was never a threat yet we invaded them and subjected American citizens to slavery, er I mean a draft, to fulfill objectives of the old men in charge. We conquered and invaded Iraq on deliberately false pretense and show no sign of getting out. Even 9/11 was a response to significant American meddling in Middle Eastern affairs - so we invaded Afghanistan and are now we are stuck there.

It's disappointing to see Apple get involved with the treacherous (but very lucrative) tentacacles of the US military. But hey, stock price will go up on this news, so that's all that matters!

You make some points. The cold war was the reason for the vietnam fiasco. But on the whole I agree with you. It has a name and its called blow back. We are the modern day incarnation of Rome.
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Just to clarify -

The US military is called "Defense" but in reality it is all about offense - attacking and subjugating countries that would not attack us, unless of course we provoked them.

Can you believe we (occupy) have bases in over 100 countries. Vietnam was never a threat yet we invaded them and subjected American citizens to slavery, er I mean a draft, to fulfill objectives of the old men in charge. We conquered and invaded Iraq on deliberately false pretense and show no sign of getting out. Even 9/11 was a response to significant American meddling in Middle Eastern affairs - so we invaded Afghanistan and are now we are stuck there.

It's disappointing to see Apple get involved with the treacherous (but very lucrative) tentacacles of the US military. But hey, stock price will go up on this news, so that's all that matters!

Next time someone threatens the US I say you go talk to them.
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You make some points. The cold war was the reason for the vietnam fiasco. But on the whole I agree with you. It has a name and its called blow back. We are the modern day incarnation of Rome.


Isn't the Army primarily a Christian operation? Maybe they want to use the iPad for some type of crusade against the infidels.
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AI "The Army has also used Macs in its IT infrastructure to deter potential hacking attempts, and just last October implemented Apple hardware for video surveillance installations. The Mac hardware was selected, officials said, for security purposes."

This is most reassuring.
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AI "The Army has also used Macs in its IT infrastructure to deter potential hacking attempts, and just last October implemented Apple hardware for video surveillance installations. The Mac hardware was selected, officials said, for security purposes."

This is most reassuring.

It is an interesting situation isn't it? Apple was chose over WinTel PCs because of security. Of course, the military has over 30 years of experience locking down UNIX environments, so that may explain their comfort with OS X.
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Now if only the Air Force being the most tech heavy would see the light. I am forced to use Windows OS (now Vista) we just upgraded from XP like 4 months ago or so, on top of Adobe software, which in turn is competing with resources that are being hogged by anti virus security software!. My shop has 3 Mac users, and we are constantly swearing at our PC's at least every drill weekend. I brought my MBPro in one weekend just so I could be productive.

I hate running windows. Thank jeebus I only have to do it once a month.
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It is an interesting situation isn't it? Apple was chose over WinTel PCs because of security. Of course, the military has over 30 years of experience locking down UNIX environments, so that may explain their comfort with OS X.

Speaking of security (and deliberately going off topic) the PWN2OWN competition starts in 7 minutes.
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Whenever there is a new product, the Army's military hackers and electronic warfare techs need to get a hold of it before it's released to the general public so they can profile it and even test back doors in the device.

The US military has the ability to identify devices from space by it's electronic signature, from that they determine the make, model and perhaps the MAC address of a device which is cross referenced with sales or credit card data.

Apple is likely tight on iPads, so the military came to Cupertino. Why send it out when there is military grade security at the home office?

After all Osama might screw up and buy a iPad.
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The report noted that the Army's research and development command is currently evaluating a number of handheld solutions from Apple, including the forthcoming iPad, as well as the iPhone, iPod, iMac and MacBook platforms.

The iMac and MacBook are considered "handheld" solutions???
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After all Osama might screw up and buy a iPad.

Obama uses a Blackberry. Did he screw up?
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Now if only the Air Force being the most tech heavy would see the light. I am forced to use Windows OS (now Vista) we just upgraded from XP like 4 months ago or so, on top of Adobe software, which in turn is competing with resources that are being hogged by anti virus security software!. My shop has 3 Mac users, and we are constantly swearing at our PC's at least every drill weekend. I brought my MBPro in one weekend just so I could be productive.

I hate running windows. Thank jeebus I only have to do it once a month.

USAF reserves? Go Air Force! Did mine 66'-70'(active).
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Please, no posting of your political and religious views. We have enough arguing here over the future of tech, we don't need to escalate it anymore.

Yes, please drop the politics and religion.

I abandoned another Mac daily news site because it became a political gutter; there was zero Apple or tech discussion. We don't need that to happen here too.

If you feel a need to soapbox, fine. Please find a better place to do it.

As for Apple and the military, America's armed forces will be demobilized well within a decade. It'll be interesting to see what stateside uses this technology will have.
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The iMac and MacBook are considered "handheld" solutions???

Yeh, the Army hasn't figured that one out yet.
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Apple's "it just works" philosophy in particular has caught the Army's eye, as the military agency hopes to create future devices that are simple to use for its soldiers on the battlefield.


Hey AI, April 1st is next week.
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Let's hope each and every solider buys the 'U.S. Military Handbook' for iPhone app!
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Let's hope each and every solider buys the 'U.S. Military Handbook' for iPhone app!

Well I guess if the Boy Scout Handbook has an App- why not?
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The iPad is most definitely not Solider proofed!

I for one would feel safer if all Government computers and PDAs and Phones used OS X versions and add in all infrastructure systems such as power-grid management and power station. The thought of anything that matters running Windows is scary! So this is a good as far as I am concerned.
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The iMac and MacBook are considered "handheld" solutions???

Is this better?
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The report noted that the Army's research and development command is currently evaluating a number of handheld solutions from Apple, including the forthcoming iPad, as well as the current iPhone and iPod, in addition to their Mac OS X-based platforms.
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Just to clarify -

The US military is called "Defense" but in reality it is all about offense - attacking and subjugating countries that would not attack us, unless of course we provoked them.

Can you believe we (occupy) have bases in over 100 countries. Vietnam was never a threat yet we invaded them and subjected American citizens to slavery, er I mean a draft, to fulfill objectives of the old men in charge. We conquered and invaded Iraq on deliberately false pretense and show no sign of getting out. Even 9/11 was a response to significant American meddling in Middle Eastern affairs - so we invaded Afghanistan and are now we are stuck there.

It's disappointing to see Apple get involved with the treacherous (but very lucrative) tentacacles of the US military. But hey, stock price will go up on this news, so that's all that matters!

You should really take advantage of this new iBook store that's coming and try many of the fine books in the history and foreign relations sections. I think you'll find it fills in the gaps from those pamphlets they hand out at drum circles and in front of Trader Joe's.

On a side note: if you think that 9/11 was a reaction to American influence in the MIddle East and not a publicity stunt for the disenfranchised 52nd kid of wealthy Saudi contractor, then I think you must agree that it was the stupidest military tactic ever. Way to go helping your enemy, but that tends to happen when you kill 3000 foreign citizens. But I think it's much more likely that the reason your premise doesn't square with logic or history, is that it's incorrect. I know it's boring and takes a lot of time reading really tedious documents/books, but a scientific approach would really help you test out your theories.

You my friend, are going to love iBooks, lots for you to learn in there.
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Just to clarify -

The US military is called "Defense" but in reality it is all about offense - attacking and subjugating countries that would not attack us, unless of course we provoked them.

Can you believe we (occupy) have bases in over 100 countries. Vietnam was never a threat yet we invaded them and subjected American citizens to slavery, er I mean a draft, to fulfill objectives of the old men in charge. We conquered and invaded Iraq on deliberately false pretense and show no sign of getting out. Even 9/11 was a response to significant American meddling in Middle Eastern affairs - so we invaded Afghanistan and are now we are stuck there.

It's disappointing to see Apple get involved with the treacherous (but very lucrative) tentacacles of the US military. But hey, stock price will go up on this news, so that's all that matters!

Actually, the military can get the job done quick and easy when they're give a free hand. It's the politicians and their restrictions that keep that from happening. "You can bomb here but not there.", 'You have to follow these rules while your enemy is not so handicapped", "You need to use this equipment that you didn't want and don't need that was built in my district."

Vietnam was never a threat, but the folks that were supplying them and were trying to extend their influence (I think they called them Red Communist Chinese back then) were and still are.
The Middle East has been going to hell in a hand-basket since long before the US was even a country. We're blamed when we use our influence and when we don't (they call it a no-win situation).

Are you sure you don't want to change your username to No Stones?
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Is this better?

Reads a lot better. Thanks.
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Sign me up for the Kevlar case with balistic glass bezel ;-) As long as it doesn't interfere with the touch interface, of course.

<-- I drop things /toe

Xgear announced a carbon fiber leather fabric exterior covering an ABS plastic shell. So, Kevlar may not be far off.
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Obama uses a Blackberry. Did he screw up?

You should instead ask, "When didn't he screw up?"
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Obama uses a Blackberry. Did he screw up?

That's a difficult question.

1st: Screwing up assumes there was a standard or demonstrated level of quality in the work before.

2nd: Compared to using an iPhone, using a Blackberry would not help your resumé and would totally torpedo a thin collection of dubious references.

I don't make 'em, but those are the rules, however I don't know enough about Obama to answer your query.
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Is this better?

OK.
The original line;
"The Army's research and development command is evaluating commercial hand-held solutions such as iPad, iPhone, iPod, iMac, and MacBook platforms."
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[QUOTE=\\ Currently, the agency is supporting the development and transition of two new iPhone applications: a counter-insurgency information collection tool known as COIN Collector, and a combined planning and social networking environment dubbed MilSpace.

Wow, someone actually got paid to come up with that App name? That should cause some confusion in the App store when the numismatists go looking for applications! I guess the Army has a sense of humor after all...
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