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post #1 of 50
3/24/10 at 7:15pm
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What America was John BOehNER talking about?

Because for every person they showed on TV against it, there seemed to be someone else for it.

So what is it then?
Are there two different Americas we're talking about?

If ALL of America was against it, then does that mean all those other people happy for it aren't Americans?

When they say "The American People" who are they talking about?
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post #2 of 50
3/24/10 at 9:39pm
America

Real America (Palin's)

Amarica (Bachmann's)





Boehner's speech was horrible, yet so exemplary of the state of the GOP.

 

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post #3 of 50
3/25/10 at 7:49am
They probably see it as " All of America that coiunts for anything " You know, their part..
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post #4 of 50
3/25/10 at 7:52am
I've heard many advocates for the "reform" say the same thing, that "all of America" is for it.

That, of course, is also not true.

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post #5 of 50
3/25/10 at 7:56am
I thought I also read about someone implying that the "real patriots" were the ones supporting Obama and ObamaCare.

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post #6 of 50
3/25/10 at 8:38am
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I thought I also read about someone implying that the "real patriots" were the ones supporting Obama and ObamaCare.

Well that's not anymore true than when the right was saying you're " anti american " if you don't support the war in Iraq.
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post #7 of 50
3/25/10 at 8:41am
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Well that's not anymore true than when the right was saying you're " anti american " if you don't support the war in Iraq.

Then we agree. Obama shouldn't have made this implication. Good. Well, there's one thing we agree about.

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post #8 of 50
3/25/10 at 9:45am
Maybe Boehner means that even American's that are strongly for the bill are publicly against the bill.

Example, Romney- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6DrH...layer_embedded

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post #9 of 50
3/25/10 at 10:18am
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Then we agree. Obama shouldn't have made this implication. Good. Well, there's one thing we agree about.

Before on your statement it was :
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I thought I also read about someone implying that the "real patriots" were the ones supporting Obama and ObamaCare.

Do you have a link to the quote because the " Anti American " statements were not implied?
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post #10 of 50
3/25/10 at 10:20am
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Before on your statement it was :

Do you have a link to the quote because the " Anti American " statements were not implied?

Full text of President Obama's speech on health insurance

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post #11 of 50
3/25/10 at 11:08am
You're either with US, or you're with the insurance companies. With 40,000 lobbyists on their side, and none for the people, its obvious which way this was going to go.
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post #12 of 50
3/25/10 at 2:09pm
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Full text of President Obama's speech on health insurance

So you couldn't find the part you're talking about? I mean it's your claim so it's up to you to provide the proof.
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post #13 of 50
3/25/10 at 7:01pm
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THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, everybody. Its good to be back with some real Patriots.

Sigh...
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post #14 of 50
3/25/10 at 7:16pm
This was a speech at George Mason university's sports center. And what are George Mason's sports teams called? Eagles? Gophers?
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post #15 of 50
3/25/10 at 7:35pm
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This was a speech at George Mason university's sports center. And what are George Mason's sports teams called? Eagles? Gophers?

That's right. He was simply referring to their sports team nickname. (nudge nudge wink wink)

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post #16 of 50
3/25/10 at 7:41pm
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This was a speech at George Mason university's sports center. And what are George Mason's sports teams called? Eagles? Gophers?

The question was asked as if it was very difficult to find in the article. Not saying what his point was, just being a help for those who cannot seem to find a line that was nearly the first thing said...
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post #17 of 50
3/25/10 at 8:40pm
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Sigh...

Yikes! How dare Obama take a jab at those who say that they are the real patriots.

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post #18 of 50
3/25/10 at 8:51pm
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Yikes! How dare Obama take a jab at those who say that they are the real patriots.

And again... Sigh.... \
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post #19 of 50
3/25/10 at 8:58pm
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And again... Sigh.... \

Yeah, because he's taking the piss. About time too!

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post #20 of 50
3/25/10 at 9:32pm
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Yeah, because he's taking the piss. About time too!

The sigh was aimed at you, not "him"...
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post #21 of 50
3/26/10 at 3:08am
How does this;

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Thank you, everybody. It’s good to be back with some real Patriots.


morph into this;

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I thought I also read about someone implying that the "real patriots" were the ones supporting Obama and ObamaCare.

Is this how it was reported on Faux Noise?

Watch out, as I've got you "in my sights."


That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son.
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post #22 of 50
3/26/10 at 3:10am
Reminds me of the "terrorist fist jab?" by the Fauxy Blonde.

Plant the seed, even if wrong... it might take hold.

 

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post #23 of 50
3/26/10 at 3:28am
so when is Rush moving to Costa Rica? He did say he would move if the bill got passed and while he is on his way there, someone remind him that they have national health care over there.
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post #24 of 50
3/26/10 at 6:49am
That's right. He was simply referring to their sports team nickname. (nudge nudge wink wink)

It's called a double entendre. It's a figure of speech in which a spoken phrase is devised to be understood in either of two ways. It's used when, well...let's just see what Wikipedia says:

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It is often used to express potentially offensive opinions without the risks of explicitly doing so.

So we have a person standing in front of a bunch of strong supporters (applauding and repeatedly shouting "Yes we can!"), speaking on a topic (health care) they all presumably support (since we all know, in the modern era, no one who's even slightly opposed to the President or what he's going to talk about is allowed within shouting distance) and says "it’s good to be back with some real patriots." Clearly the use of the word "real" suggests a reference to some others who are claiming to "patriots" but are not real patriots.

It's true, he may very well have been referring to any number of former and current sports teams as not real Patriots.

But I think we're all bit sharper than that.

We live in a world in which every single word the President speaks in a prepared speech (and, often, even in press conferences) is very carefully prepared and crafted. Each sentence is very carefully designed. This was no different I'm sure. Additionally, Barack Obama, seems to be particularly enamored with his own cleverness and intellectual superiority so seeing him fashion such a statement is completely within the realm of reality and reasonableness.

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post #25 of 50
3/26/10 at 2:20pm
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That's right. He was simply referring to their sports team nickname. (nudge nudge wink wink)

It's called a double entendre. It's a figure of speech in which a spoken phrase is devised to be understood in either of two ways. It's used when, well...let's just see what Wikipedia says:



So we have a person standing in front of a bunch of strong supporters (applauding and repeatedly shouting "Yes we can!"), speaking on a topic (health care) they all presumably support (since we all know, in the modern era, no one who's even slightly opposed to the President or what he's going to talk about is allowed within shouting distance) and says "its good to be back with some real patriots." Clearly the use of the word "real" suggests a reference to some others who are claiming to "patriots" but are not real patriots.

It's true, he may very well have been referring to any number of former and current sports teams as not real Patriots.

But I think we're all bit sharper than that.

We live in a world in which every single word the President speaks in a prepared speech (and, often, even in press conferences) is very carefully prepared and crafted. Each sentence is very carefully designed. This was no different I'm sure. Additionally, Barack Obama, seems to be particularly enamored with his own cleverness and intellectual superiority so seeing him fashion such a statement is completely within the realm of reality and reasonableness.

We all know what he was doing and the context in which he did it and the double entendre.

A non sequitur as it were.

However, your original statement was completely different from what was actually stated.

The word that comes to mind is S-L-O-W, as in very S-L-O-W!
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post #26 of 50
3/26/10 at 2:40pm
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We all know what he was doing and the context in which he did it and the double entendre.

Good, then there's really nothing more discuss other than denouncing him for making the implication.

A non sequitur as it were.

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However, your original statement was completely different from what was actually stated.

Given that my statement wasn't an actual quote but a characterization, wiping away the cowardly double entendre for all to see, then, no, it really wasn't because it wasn't meant to be an exact statement of what was said.


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The word that comes to mind is S-L-O-W, as in very S-L-O-W!

I tried to go as slowly as I could for you and others to keep up because I know that the Obama-apologist mindset requires careful and slow explanations. Sorry if it wasn't good enough.

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post #27 of 50
3/26/10 at 3:41pm
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Good, then there's really nothing more discuss other than denouncing him for making the implication.

A non sequitur as it were.



Given that my statement wasn't an actual quote but a characterization, wiping away the cowardly double entendre for all to see, then, no, it really wasn't because it wasn't meant to be an exact statement of what was said.




I tried to go as slowly as I could for you and others to keep up because I know that the Obama-apologist mindset requires careful and slow explanations. Sorry if it wasn't good enough.

Your original misrepresentation of what was actually said is duly noted.

You admit you were wrong.

Thanks for clarifying your original misrepresentation.
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post #28 of 50
3/26/10 at 3:44pm
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Your original misrepresentation of what was actually said is duly noted.

You admit you were wrong.

Thanks for clarifying your original misrepresentation.

Interesting. Go ahead. You can have it since you obviously feel you must. Go ahead...

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post #29 of 50
3/26/10 at 5:01pm
In case you hadn't notices MJ1970, frank is clearly wandering from thread to thread hoping to provoke someone into something with the whole locked and loaded bit and now the SLOW SLOW Jam routine. Ignoring him works best.

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post #30 of 50
3/26/10 at 5:04pm
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In case you hadn't notices MJ1970, frank is clearly wandering from thread to thread hoping to provoke someone into something with the whole locked and loaded bit and now the SLOW SLOW Jam routine. Ignoring him works best.

He doesn't have to trumpy. The right has proven they're already provoked enough by losing this battle. Also I've seen when you put folks on ignore. How long did that last now?
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post #31 of 50
3/26/10 at 5:18pm
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In case you hadn't notices MJ1970, frank is clearly wandering from thread to thread hoping to provoke someone into something with the whole locked and loaded bit and now the SLOW SLOW Jam routine. Ignoring him works best.

Yes because PO is just so full of lurkers who sit on the edges of their seats waiting for your great prose with bated breath.

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post #32 of 50
4/1/10 at 4:43pm
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So, did the American people vote for Obama?
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post #33 of 50
4/1/10 at 5:08pm
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So, did the American people vote for Obama?

Some. But they've been known to make mistakes from time to time.

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4/1/10 at 5:29pm
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Some. But they've been known to make mistakes from time to time.

Actually most voted for Obama.
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4/1/10 at 5:32pm
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Actually most voted for Obama.

It's true, even a majority can make a mistake.

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post #36 of 50
4/1/10 at 5:34pm
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It's true, even a majority can make a mistake.

Do mean like when they elected Bush twice?

Poor baby. That's our democratic process at work.
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4/1/10 at 5:36pm
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Do mean like when they elected Bush twice?

Sure.

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4/1/10 at 5:42pm
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Sure.

Yes. I'm sure.
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4/1/10 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post

Maybe Boehner means that even American's that are strongly for the bill are publicly against the bill.

Example, Romney- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6DrH...layer_embedded

Mitt is a git.

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4/1/10 at 5:46pm
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so when is Rush moving to Costa Rica? He did say he would move if the bill got passed and while he is on his way there, someone remind him that they have national health care over there.

I'll chip in $5 toward his bus ticket.

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