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I hope that my 64 gig, 3G iPad arrives in late April as scheduled, not some time in May. I ordered on the first day, so I'm assuming that any delay will not apply to me.
It will really be interesting to see how the naysayers react when they discover that all of Apple's "controversial" design decisions are actually entirely sensible. You know, the wide bezel, the 4:3 aspect ratio, the choice of the iPhone OS instead of the Mac OS, the lack of a bunch of ports and other openings that mar its esthetics. Timing is everything. By the time Dell, HP, and the usual suspects come out with their tablets loaded with Windows 7, the iPad will have established the notion that we don't need a complicated OS on this new category of devices. Ease of use and the ability to do some things really well will be the key, not the ability to do everything. I suspect that the only players will be iPhone OS and Android OS tablets.
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Haven't you heard, the Slate has already been killed by the Joojoo.

That mockup is slick, as is the site's code, but I do have doubts about that as a viable platform. What is known about FusionGarage as a viable tablet OS? How are they marketing Flash 10.1 when it's not yet released for Android? Will a device that weighs a pound more than the iPad, doesn't have 802.11a/n or any 3G cellular tech, and considerably less battery time fare against a proper tablet?
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Haven't you heard, the Slate has already been killed by the Joojoo.

What's a JooJoo? It sounds antisemitic.
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It's one extra slot. An SD card slot aren't that big, they're probably even smaller than the dock connector. I even have a handheld PDA with two adjacent SD slots, and I don't think it ever caused a problem, visually or reliability wise. The issue I have with an adapter is that it's another part to lose, and another part to risk becoming a lever on a heavily used socket when it's in use, I'm very averse to using external attachments on portable devices.

Maybe it's not that big of a deal either way, I don't know. I wonder how well or if solipsism's multi-IO card reader idea would work. Now, if there was a dock-to-USB-mini-B cable and iPad can read from any slot on a standard multi-card reader, that would be pretty nifty.

If they added this slot, there would be no need to buy the units with more than 16 GBytes. We'd all just use SD cards for storage.
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What prevents third parties from selling a USB to 30-pin cable or adaptor that connects a variety of digital cameras to the iPad?

Nothing. But I'm sure Apple will start official Made for iPad licensing, so if they want to use the iPad logo, they'll have to pay Apple the licensing fee (10%, I think). Just like with iPod.
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Haven't you heard, the Slate has already been killed by the Joojoo.

Oh, man. I'd never heard of this before today. That's that's just appalling. Did you notice one of their product images on the front page includes an unlicensed still from Avatar? They need a disclaimer at the bottom that reads, "Screen images extremely simulated."
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I'm under the impression that using an alias whilst BANNED results in a permanent ban.

Some bans aren't permanent. Why it wasn't in this case, I don't know, I didn't do the deed.

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I don't think the argument is against what you mention, but how useful an SD card slot would be for iPad users. I have never taken the 4GB Sd card out of my camera to sync it with my Mac. The only reason I even have a 16GB SD card for my Mac is for the SL Restore Disc so I can forego the DVD altogether, other than that it has never been used.

That would work if you have just one camera or the cameras you have all happen to use the same connector. Most of my cameras use SD, no two seem to use the same connector. Besides, using the camera's connector has usually been the slowest way to fetch the images by a wide margin.

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That mockup is slick, as is the site's code, but I do have doubts about that as a viable platform. What is known about FusionGarage as a viable tablet OS? How are they marketing Flash 10.1 when it's not yet released for Android? Will a device that weighs a pound more than the iPad, doesn't have 802.11a/n or any 3G cellular tech, and considerably less battery time fare against a proper tablet?

I'll believe it's a real product when people start getting them in their hands. I haven't kept track of this project, but it seemed there was a cloud of legal issues that need to be resolved.

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If they added this slot, there would be no need to buy the units with more than 16 GBytes. We'd all just use SD cards for storage.

It's possible, but I don't think it would work that way. The iPad doesn't have a user-accessible file management system, and I think a lot of the programs would have to be reworked to see cards.
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It's one extra slot. An SD card slot aren't that big, they're probably even smaller than the dock connector. I even have a handheld PDA with two adjacent SD slots, and I don't think it ever caused a problem, visually or reliability wise. The issue I have with an adapter is that it's another part to lose, and another part to risk becoming a lever on a heavily used socket when it's in use, I'm very averse to using external attachments on portable devices.

Maybe it's not that big of a deal either way, I don't know. I wonder how well or if solipsism's multi-IO card reader idea would work. Now, if there was a dock-to-USB-mini-B cable and iPad can read from any slot on a standard multi-card reader, that would be pretty nifty.

I have cameras with SD and CF cards (using both micro and mini USB). As much as I hate adapters & dongles, Apple's connector seems to be the best option as long as there are so many different formats out there.

The other issue is as soon as you put an SD slot on an iPhone or iPad, you have to have a file management tool like the Finder. The whole paradigm behind the iPhone/iPad is that "files" where they exist at all belong to an app, not to the media they're on. Removable media means file management. While you and I would no doubt master it, my parents, clients, and even one of my two brothers really don't fully grasp file management.
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What's a JooJoo? It sounds antisemitic.

JooJoo? Isn't that one of those little gummy candies? Oh, wait...

Solipsism, does it actually run on Android? It just says "browser-based operating system" under tech specs and doesn't seem to actually name it. And in its differences from the iPad you forgot to mention that while it is 1lb heavier, it's also 2" larger. But you only get 4GB for the same $499.
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Originally Posted by mark2005 View Post

Nothing. But I'm sure Apple will start official Made for iPad licensing, so if they want to use the iPad logo, they'll have to pay Apple the licensing fee (10%, I think). Just like with iPod.

I also suggested that a simple adaptor, one which probably already made, will suffice.
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JooJoo? Isn't that one of those little gummy candies? Oh, wait...

Solipsism, does it actually run on Android? It just says "browser-based operating system" under tech specs and doesn't seem to actually name it. And in its differences from the iPad you forgot to mention that while it is 1lb heavier, it's also 2" larger. But you only get 4GB for the same $499.

I left out a lot of specs. My concern was the weight issue for a item that is likely intended to be held for prolonged periods. Though with a rating of "up to 5 hours with WiFi" likely being only a couple hours of video or active internet usage that probably won't be a problem.

The OS is reportedly Linux-based called FusionGarage but little is know about the UI which appears to be similar to WebOS and Chrome OS in they are based on webcode, which has potential but I can't see how any such design can be good without public testing. I have to think the pre-orders page is just a gimmick to (hopefully) show potential investors that there is an interest in the device.

There also seems to be a lot of internal issues plaguing this device, according to Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JooJoo
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Once the first 100 million, Kool-aid drinking fanboys get theirs, the demand will dry up.

Apple is doomed!

Once the 6,811,000,000 people on earth get theirs, the demand will dry up.

Apple is doomed!
post #54 of 126
I have an old USB adaptor for an old iPod video model. It did the same function but will it work on the iPad? Apple did change the dock connector a little bit to prevent old chargers from charging the iPhone and iPod touch. Might they have changed to USB portion too?
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There is still no release date for the WiFi+3G or Japan \

Yeah, anyone hear or know if this "pushback" on the WiFi model means the 3G model won't ship until 30 days later or eek, May 12th???

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post #56 of 126
I assume there will be two lines outside the stores at 9 am. One for those who "reserved for pick-up" and the other for those who didn't. Should be interesting.
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I don't think the argument is against what you mention, but how useful an SD card slot would be for iPad users. I have never taken the 4GB Sd card out of my camera to sync it with my Mac. The only reason I even have a 16GB SD card for my Mac is for the SL Restore Disc so I can forego the DVD altogether, other than that it has never been used.

Some users' total lack of imagination is their biggest missing feature.

Apple has never included every port or slot imaginable in their gear, since few users will actually ever need or ever use all those slots. Third-party add-ons and adaptors have always been available to connect to FireWire and USB ports for such things. Since the included 30-pin Dock Connector IS capable of connecting to USB, the point for a USB slot is moot. besides, 802.11n wireless and Bluetooth are also built-in.

The percentage of people wanting to transfer digital images to their iPads will probably be very small, so an extra adaptor suits such users well, while keeping the overall design simpler (and cheaper to produce) for the vast majority of users.
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I have an old USB adaptor for an old iPod video model. It did the same function but will it work on the iPad? Apple did change the dock connector a little bit to prevent old chargers from charging the iPhone and iPod touch. Might they have changed to USB portion too?

I was wondering that too. It sounds like it is probably different though.
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Nothing. Could be done by anyone, any time, and likely will.

You mean they rule the APP store with an iron fist and then let anyone develop anything they wish for the dock connector?
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I have cameras with SD and CF cards (using both micro and mini USB). As much as I hate adapters & dongles, Apple's connector seems to be the best option as long as there are so many different formats out there.

Absolutely!
And with new card formats appearing regularly, how and would they keep up? All Apple needs are complaints that someone's iPad wouldn't recognize an SD-XYZ format card.

If I were doing a lot of photo shooting, I'd bring my MacBook Pro and ExpressCard/32 SD and CF readers.

Anyway, I'm glad I pre-ordered MY iPad early!
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I assume there will be two lines outside the stores at 9 am. One for those who "reserved for pick-up" and the other for those who didn't. Should be interesting.

Then there will be a line at Best Buy AI @

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It's one extra slot. An SD card slot aren't that big, they're probably even smaller than the dock connector. I even have a handheld PDA with two adjacent SD slots, and I don't think it ever caused a problem, visually or reliability wise. The issue I have with an adapter is that it's another part to lose, and another part to risk becoming a lever on a heavily used socket when it's in use, I'm very averse to using external attachments on portable devices.

Maybe it's not that big of a deal either way, I don't know. I wonder how well or if solipsism's multi-IO card reader idea would work. Now, if there was a dock-to-USB-mini-B cable and iPad can read from any slot on a standard multi-card reader, that would be pretty nifty.

An SD card slot would only satisfy one type of camera cards. Don't forget there are other types out there (Compact Flash, Mini Disk, SM, xD, microSD, miniSD, MMC, RS-MMS, MS, MS Duo, Sony Stick). So having the option to either use the SD reader or connect a camera via the USB is a better solution to satisfy ALL.

I alone use 3 different types of media cards. So for me an adapter via the dock connector is a much better option.
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An SD card slot would only satisfy one type of camera cards. Don't forget there are other types out there (Compact Flash, Mini Disk, SM, xD, microSD, miniSD, MMC, RS-MMS, MS, MS Duo, Sony Stick). So having the option to either use the SD reader or connect a camera via the USB is a better solution to satisfy ALL.

I alone use 3 different types of media cards. So for me an adapter via the dock connector is a much better option.

Yeh, kind of get the gist of what you're saying as I look over at my HP 7300 with four slots and a connector port--never used though.
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OMG, that camera connection kit is the dumbest thing I've seen Apple do yet. Seriously, I need another adapter in my desk drawer like I need a hole in my head. Come on Steve, didn't you think an SD card slot would be appropriate? I'll let you in on a secret Steve: I'd pay $29 more for an iPad that *didn't* make me but another damn adapter. It absolutely *ruins* the elegance of the product.

You've obviously never used one before so how would you know?

I have the iPod version for the Classic iPods and it is such a great piece of kit. Simply plug it into the Dock Connector, plug your camera into the USB port, and download the images to your iPod which get synched when you hook into iTunes.

It is an elegant solution contrary to what you believe and guess what you don't have to have it plugged in all the time. Imagine that. You want inelegance how about adding thickness to the iPad in order to allow for built in USB or SD card or both?

The adapter works and it works very well.

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Presumably every iPad will come with a USB cable for connection to a computer. So all anyone will need in addition it seems is an adaptor for male USB to the mini female sizes of USB used on cameras. Probably these can already be purchased. In fact I think I already have a set for a GPS power adaptor I bought from Radio Shack.

Yeah except for one thing, not all cameras use the same USB connection nor do all cameras use the same cards so having a convertor would mean getting a convertor for every type of camera lead out there which will be very expensive. Having an SD card slot eliminates the cameras using Compact Flash and XD and Memory Stick. Nope, the iPad Camera Connection Kit is definitely the best option of the lot.
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Some users' total lack of imagination is their biggest missing feature.

Apple has never included every port or slot imaginable in their gear, since few users will actually ever need or ever use all those slots. Third-party add-ons and adaptors have always been available to connect to FireWire and USB ports for such things. Since the included 30-pin Dock Connector IS capable of connecting to USB, the point for a USB slot is moot. besides, 802.11n wireless and Bluetooth are also built-in.

The percentage of people wanting to transfer digital images to their iPads will probably be very small, so an extra adaptor suits such users well, while keeping the overall design simpler (and cheaper to produce) for the vast majority of users.

Beg to differ. Third-party hardware add-ons are very rare in the iPhone segment of the market. After all, they do generally need some sort of software or drivers, which in the closed App Store is traditionally iffy to get approved. SD is one of the most ubiquitous and useful of expansion slots. That's why Apple finally acquiesed and swapped it in place of the much less useful Express Card slot on the smaller MBPs. But it's not just the photography pros and prosumers who would benefit from such a slot. You don't necessarily need to transfer images. It could also be useful for just viewing the images. People on vacation would probably love to do that with an iPad, rather than either having to lug a laptop along or just looking at the pictures on the tiny camera screen. I doubt it would add much to the cost, considering even bargain basement digital cameras, mp3 players and prepaid cell phones have SD and MicroSD slots.
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iPad will be killed by the HP Slate running Windows long before that


And this was BEFORE the HP Slate.

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Once the first 100 million, Kool-aid drinking fanboys get theirs, the demand will dry up.

Apple is doomed!

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This is gonna be really stupid of a question, but I ordered my iPad early Friday morning (yesterday), and it does say it will ship April 3rd. But I feel like I always get gipped with these things, do you think Apple will keep their word or will i get the April 12th date?
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This is gonna be really stupid of a question, but I ordered my iPad early Friday morning (yesterday), and it does say it will ship April 3rd. But I feel like I always get gipped with these things, do you think Apple will keep their word or will i get the April 12th date?

If Apple says it, you can believe it. They shouldn't change the date shown on your receipt. I wouldn't be worried.
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If Apple says it, you can believe it.

Haha ok. you're right i shouldn't doubt them
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You do realize your on an Apple fansite?

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This is gonna be really stupid of a question, but I ordered my iPad early Friday morning (yesterday), and it does say it will ship April 3rd. But I feel like I always get gipped with these things, do you think Apple will keep their word or will i get the April 12th date?

Check your order status.

This news was just released, so hopefully you made your order before the cut-off!

That's why I ordered mine at 8:38am on March 12th.
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Check your order status.

This news was just released, so hopefully you made your order before the cut-off!

That's why I ordered mine at 8:38am on March 12th.

Ya it says delivers on april 3rd on the order form but ill have to check on the order status in a bit
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It's one extra slot.

It's not one extra slot, it's many. Do you think whiners will be done with that one extra SD card slot? They will keep on with USB slots and more. No matter how many Apple adds, they will keep whining. I think the 30-pin connector fits in there perfectly and there's a netbook for all those plug-in lovers. Steve specifically named a few things that he reckoned iPad would do better than a netbook, but "more holes" was not one of them.
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Reservation-only, instead of FCFS-only.


I wish I was still at the mall so I could take a photo of the big sign in the door of the Apple store that says "first come, first serve. April 3rd starting at 9am"

also the online store says 'ships by April 12'. which means it could ship and deliver on the 3rd. or anytime after up to the 12th. what's the big deal with that. they have sold out/reserved out of the known quantity and are padding so they can underpromise and overdeliver rather than the other way. lots of major releases of various things go this way. just like cutting off reserves so they can count and ship the stock.

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I assume there will be two lines outside the stores at 9 am. One for those who "reserved for pick-up" and the other for those who didn't. Should be interesting.

not necessarily. Depending on their checks and double checks they could bundle up the units on Monday, send them out on Tuesday and have them at the stores on Weds/Thurs where they are recounted etc for security (no thieving fed ex guys and such). Friday morning they get a count sheet of how many to set aside for reserves. they stack those up on one table and the rest on the other. Friday night they get a list of names,unit size and number.

Saturday AM they have a single line and as each person enters they are asked if they reserved and the sales person goes to the appropriate table to retrieve the stock.

with that way, those that reserved get theirs and the guy that turned up at 2am on Friday because he decided at the last minute to get one doesn't yell and cause a scene because after waiting 7 hours he's told he has to wait 6 more for the reservations to be handled. AND you don't have the mall or local cops yelling about 2 lines etc.

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post #75 of 126
Apple has already charged my credit card for my 3G iPad, so they must be pretty confident about their "late April" ship date. Surprisingly, there's an April 15 ship date showing for the keyboard dock, which was officially delayed. The case is due to ship by April 3.
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And this was BEFORE the HP Slate.



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I think the photo capabilities of the iPad are highly overrated. How many people are REALLY going to use it in that fashion.

What I see is more and more people headed towards direct-to-net uploads of their pictures using a WiFi-capable SD card, like the Eye-Fi, that lets you upload the photos you take straight to your favorite web service or computer without evening taking the SD card out of your camera.

My opinion is that the less we can get people to rely on cables the better off we'll all be. I want EVERYTHING to be wireless, including power (it's coming!).
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Apple has already charged my credit card for my 3G iPad, so they must be pretty confident about their "late April" ship date. Surprisingly, there's an April 15 ship date showing for the keyboard dock, which was officially delayed. The case is due to ship by April 3.

Doesn't Apple (and every retailer) charge when the order enters the shipping process and therefore cannot be canceled?
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OMG, that camera connection kit is the dumbest thing I've seen Apple do yet. Seriously, I need another adapter in my desk drawer like I need a hole in my head. Come on Steve, didn't you think an SD card slot would be appropriate? I'll let you in on a secret Steve: I'd pay $29 more for an iPad that *didn't* make me but another damn adapter. It absolutely *ruins* the elegance of the product.

As an active photographer with an iPad on pre-order, its a big so-what. Whether I'm traveling or doing a day shoot, the camera adapter will never be used except when I'm back in the house/hotel and ready to transfer. If I wanted to bitch about something taking space, I'd have a very long list of junk I have to pedal around before a postage stamp size adapter shows up. Please, if you have to find something to carp about, find something more significant -- maybe the power adapter.

Casual photographers are not much different. The iPad will remain home and be used when the occasion requires it.

As far as the "elegance of the product" goes. Perhaps you'd like to comment on the aesthetics of the protective cases so many of us will be using. I'm sure many of us would like some help in this area as well.

And for all of those nay-sayers; could you please stop flapping your jaws long enough to realize we're not all stupid and understand what we are buying and why. If there is anyone of you that would like I/O, a sd card slot and an open OS, please let me know. I am more than willing to make a deal on a lovely Windows based Fujitsu tablet. It has all the distinctions of a true "value" product: crap screen, useless pen based touch screen (will include a magnifying glass so you can see whatever you need to click on), a lovely virus scanning program that let's you look in awe as the machine is useless for ages (assuming you stand by and click all the dialog boxes that pop up), allows you to feel really geeky as it crashes, multiple touch-screen apps as MS doesn't deliver enough, and complete with specs that will bury an iPad as it labors through any computing task. Oh, and its truly ugly and squeaks whenever you touch it.
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Uh oh. Looks like we may have to segue very rapidly from "Fan boys will buy anything their Lord and Master orders them to" to "Apple's mind control and slick marketing could sell snow to Eskimos."

Yes, this time they will jump to stage 2 before product release

They remind me of the Iraqi Information Minister during US invasion.

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I look forward to a surprisingly early onset of "this abrupt flood of other products that follow Apple's template have better specs and make the iPad look stupid and dated, and anyway they were going to make those all along so Apple didn't change anything fanboys shut up."

Oh, and, Apple is Doomed.

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