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Oh, and its truly ugly and squeaks whenever you touch it.

Sounds just like my first girlfriend.
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At this point, one of the only things that I worry about is having tocarry round a bag full of adaptors for my iPhone, iPad, Sonic Impact music player and my camera. The person who comes up with a universal adaptor is going to make a bundle.

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I was wondering that too. It sounds like it is probably different though.
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There is still no release date for the WiFi+3G or Japan \

The announcement for release dates outside the US should happen early April... but that doesn't stop me from checking the Apple store daily!

 

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Apple is doomed!

Just because of a stupid delay?

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Just because of a stupid delay?

Even if you're not familiar with anantksundaram's posts the use of trademark symbol and emoticon indicates that he is joking.
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Even if you're not familiar with anantksundaram's posts the use of trademark symbol and emoticon indicates that he is joking.

Sorry. Just tired of the iPad hate. Can't wait till its finally released.

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post #87 of 126
Steve Jobs (to Ipad): Hello handsome. You're a good looking device, do you know that? People laugh at you, people hate you, but why do they hate you? Because... they are jealous. Look at that delightful interface. Look at that sweet responsiveness. Do you wanna talk about fast silicon? Do you want to talk about sheer convenience? Do you want to talk about the Olympian ideal? You are a God. And listen to me, you are not evil. You... are... good.

iPad: For as long as I can remember people have meh'd the tablet interface. They looked at my screen and my case and they ran away in apathy. In my inadequacy I decided that if I could not inspire love, which is my deepest hope, I would instead cause boredom. I live because this poor half-crazed genius, has given me life. He alone held an image of me as something beautiful and then, when it would have been easy enough to stay out of danger, he used his own silicon as a guinea pig to give me a faster brain and a somewhat more sophisticated way of expressing myself.

Thanks Mel Brooks!
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Sounds just like my first girlfriend.

That is too funny....
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Sorry. Just tired of the iPad hate. Can't wait till its finally released.

It's.
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So, it seems like the first shipment of iPads will sell out on day one. How many iPads could that be?
How many iPads will have been sold in total (including online sales) by the end of next Friday? Anyone care to guess?

Are we talking about half a million iPads, or even more?
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Originally Posted by lowededwookie View Post

Having an SD card slot eliminates the cameras using Compact Flash and XD and Memory Stick. Nope, the iPad Camera Connection Kit is definitely the best option of the lot.

So, interestingly enough, when Apple says, "No, you can't have a choice of whether to run Flash or not. Flash is the past," people applaud and say they're looking towards the future. But when Apple says that they will support fading legacy flash memory formats, you're fine with that. Compactflash is a niche market. Only a handful of cameras still use it, all expensive and bulky "professional" cameras. Consumer cameras have abandoned the format. As of 2010, xD has been abandoned by its two staunchest backers, Olympus and Fujifilm, whose current cameras all accept SD. Likewise, Sony's current consumer lineup all accepts SD in addition to their own more expensive Memory Stick. SD has the economies of scale behind it, with far more competing manufacturers than any other format, making it less expensive for consumers. Seems people don't want to bash Apple for not being "forward-looking" in this case just because it serves their argument.
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Compactflash is a niche market. Only a handful of cameras still use it, all expensive and bulky "professional" cameras. Consumer cameras have abandoned the format.

Being the owner of a Canon EOS 40D, a very popular consumer DSLR, your point sounds moot.
It uses CompactFlash. So does a lot of other popular DSLR's that are just a couple of years old.
Has it occured to you that people may want to be able to use the camera they already own, and not have to go out and buy a brand new camera?
I call that decision from Apple rather "forward looking". Well, it just makes sense, really.
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Being the owner of a Canon EOS 40D, a very popular consumer DSLR, your point sounds moot.
It uses CompactFlash. So does a lot of other popular DSLR's that are just a couple of years old.
Has it occured to you that people may want to be able to use the camera they already own, and not have to go out and buy a brand new camera?
I call that decision from Apple rather "forward looking". Well, it just makes sense, really.

Oh, really? Moot, huh? You don't think a 6x4x3" camera is bulky? That a camera that costs over $1000 with basic lens isn't for professionals or people who have fantasies of doing "serious photography," the so-called prosumers? If you want to play that game, Canon's own Rebel series uses SD, and I bet they're more popular than the 40D. You won't even find ultrazooms that use CF.

Did it occur to people Apple that people may have wanted to continue using their ADB keyboards and mice rather than have to buy USB ones? That some people wanted to keep using floppy disks? That people wanted to be able to keep visiting the websites they're used to rather than being told, "Too bad. We don't like Flash." Apple has a history of unilateral decisions that may or may not be thinking ahead of the curve, yet as I wrote before, some people won't criticize Apple for not making this one because it suits their argument. BTW, maybe you'd like to take Apple to task for giving preferential treatment to SD in the MBPs rather than supporting all formats. And virtually every other notebook and netbook out there that has media slots.
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Wow... This is really pretty funny. I had pretty much decided that I wasn't interested in the iPad and had my eyes set on the upcoming refresh on the MBP. However, with the horrible and unending delay in waiting for that, I just couldn't put off any longer the need for a second Internet device around the house. We ordered one on Friday and have a confirmed delivery date of 4/3. Looks like we ordered it just in time.

My only real complaint about the iPad is no Flash. Oh well, it will handle all of the other tasks that I need it for and that will be a good thing. Now I can wait patiently for the MBP update, not to mention allow the bank account time to grow to accommodate the new MPB.
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It's one extra slot. An SD card slot aren't that big, they're probably even smaller than the dock connector. I even have a handheld PDA with two adjacent SD slots, and I don't think it ever caused a problem, visually or reliability wise. The issue I have with an adapter is that it's another part to lose, and another part to risk becoming a lever on a heavily used socket when it's in use, I'm very averse to using external attachments on portable devices.

Maybe it's not that big of a deal either way, I don't know. I wonder how well or if solipsism's multi-IO card reader idea would work. Now, if there was a dock-to-USB-mini-B cable and iPad can read from any slot on a standard multi-card reader, that would be pretty nifty.

for something you'd use 1 -2 minutes per day, tops, no it really isn't a big deal. \
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If they added this slot, there would be no need to buy the units with more than 16 GBytes. We'd all just use SD cards for storage.

It's called AirStash.

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That mockup is slick, as is the site's code, but I do have doubts about that as a viable platform. What is known about FusionGarage as a viable tablet OS? How are they marketing Flash 10.1 when it's not yet released for Android? Will a device that weighs a pound more than the iPad, doesn't have 802.11a/n or any 3G cellular tech, and considerably less battery time fare against a proper tablet?

in a word, poorly.

in a few words, like all the rest.
post #98 of 126
I was thinking maybe this female-to-female USB adapter would work just as well as the Apple kit:



Plug the (included) iPad USB cable into one end, and your digital camera cable into the other.

If so, it's a $2 solution. Any reason to believe it would not work?
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At this point, one of the only things that I worry about is having tocarry round a bag full of adaptors for my iPhone, iPad, Sonic Impact music player and my camera. The person who comes up with a universal adaptor is going to make a bundle.

Why would you need to carry a bag full of adapters? You will be able to use the same charger and cord with the iPad as the iPhone. So if you're already carrying an iPhone, you need ZERO more adapters.

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JooJoo? Isn't that one of those little gummy candies? Oh, wait...

Solipsism, does it actually run on Android? It just says "browser-based operating system" under tech specs and doesn't seem to actually name it. And in its differences from the iPad you forgot to mention that while it is 1lb heavier, it's also 2" larger. But you only get 4GB for the same $499.

It's always amazing how people talk about their great iPad killers - and it turns out that they're never as good a deal as the iPad.

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So, interestingly enough, when Apple says, "No, you can't have a choice of whether to run Flash or not. Flash is the past," people applaud and say they're looking towards the future. But when Apple says that they will support fading legacy flash memory formats, you're fine with that. Compactflash is a niche market. Only a handful of cameras still use it, all expensive and bulky "professional" cameras. Consumer cameras have abandoned the format. As of 2010, xD has been abandoned by its two staunchest backers, Olympus and Fujifilm, whose current cameras all accept SD. Likewise, Sony's current consumer lineup all accepts SD in addition to their own more expensive Memory Stick. SD has the economies of scale behind it, with far more competing manufacturers than any other format, making it less expensive for consumers. Seems people don't want to bash Apple for not being "forward-looking" in this case just because it serves their argument.

FORWARD LOOKING means realizing that virtually every digital camera ever make (except maybe the Apple QuickTake in 1992) has a USB port. You would use the USB port to transfer the data. That's a lot more convenient than taking the memory card out of the camera all the time, anyway. It doesn't matter whether you have SD, CF or any other memory card format. Plus, when some camera manufacturer comes out with a new memory card format next year, your iPad doesn't become obsolete. The alternative would be to have slots for half a dozen (or more) different memory formats to suit everyone. Plus, it would still become obsolete when a new format comes out.

This is just a silly argument.
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I was thinking maybe this female-to-female USB adapter would work just as well as the Apple kit:

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Plug the (included) iPad USB cable into one end, and your digital camera cable into the other.

If so, it's a $2 solution. Any reason to believe it would not work?

That works, especially if you think you'll need an extra-long USB connection or wish to connect many different types of USB connectors on one end and USB-A on the other.

If you plan on just using one camera or one connection type I'd just spend the same amount for the adapter with the USB-A female on one end and the other USB port on the other. Saves you from having to carry an extra cable around.
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That works, especially if you think you'll need an extra-long USB connection or wish to connect many different types of USB connectors on one end and USB-A on the other.

If you plan on just using one camera or one connection type I'd just spend the same amount for the adapter with the USB-A female on one end and the other USB port on the other. Saves you from having to carry an extra cable around.

I've been trying to find such a thing (for my camera at least) without any success. Two problems. First, the port on my camera is smaller than USB-B, so I don't know what it is. Second, the cable which comes with the camera has a "load" device on it. Not sure what's in that little compartment, but I'd have to assume that it's needed for some reason, and that a generic USB cable even with the right connectors would/might not work.
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I've been trying to find such a thing (for my camera at least) without any success. Two problems. First, the port on my camera is smaller than USB-B, so I don't know what it is. Second, the cable which comes with the camera has a "load" device on it. Not sure what's in that little compartment, but I'd have to assume that it's needed for some reason, and that a generic USB cable even with the right connectors would/might not work.

What camera model do you have? It's likely mini- or micro-USB. I know Monoprice offers the mini-USB(m)-to-USB(f) for $1.84. I'm not sure about this load issue you mention.
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What camera model do you have? It's likely mini- or micro-USB. I know Monoprice offers the mini-USB(m)-to-USB(f) for $1.84. I'm not sure about this load issue you mention.

A Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2. The load is a plastic cylinder on the cable about an inch long and maybe a half inch in diameter. It's fairly heavy, so something is happening inside. I thought USB-B was "mini" USB.
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A Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2. The load is a plastic cylinder on the cable about an inch long and maybe a half inch in diameter. It's fairly heavy, so something is happening inside. I thought USB-B was "mini" USB.


. . . . . . Micro-USB / Mini-USB / USB-B / USB-A (female) / USB-A (male)
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Perfect illustration, thanks. I was looking for something like that without success.

So, I have a micro-USB female connector on my camera. I'd need micro-USB male at one end and USB-A female at the other, either a short cable or connector. Does anyone make such a beast?

BTW, the load is a Ferrite core. Designed to suppress RF. Probably not strictly needed.
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Perfect illustration, thanks. I was looking for something like that without success.

So, I have a micro-USB female connector on my camera. I'd need micro-USB male at one end and USB-A female at the other, either a short cable or connector. Does anyone make such a beast?

BTW, the load is a Ferrite core. Designed to suppress RF. Probably not strictly needed.

Overstock Micro-USB(m)-to-USB-A(f) $2.99
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post #107 of 126
Perfect, thanks. Cost almost as much to ship as to buy.
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FORWARD LOOKING means realizing that virtually every digital camera ever make (except maybe the Apple QuickTake in 1992) has a USB port. You would use the USB port to transfer the data. That's a lot more convenient than taking the memory card out of the camera all the time, anyway. It doesn't matter whether you have SD, CF or any other memory card format. Plus, when some camera manufacturer comes out with a new memory card format next year, your iPad doesn't become obsolete. The alternative would be to have slots for half a dozen (or more) different memory formats to suit everyone. Plus, it would still become obsolete when a new format comes out.

This is just a silly argument.

If that's the case, why on earth did Apple add an SD card slot on their latest MBPs? That must be BACKWARDS LOOKING.
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If that's the case, why on earth did Apple add an SD card slot on their latest MBPs? That must be BACKWARDS LOOKING.

If the future of most digital cameras would be SD cards -AND- if iPad was designed or was assumed to be used for porting digital images to it by removing said card, then I can see a case for Apple to add an SD card slot to the iPad. As it stands now, that doesn't look to be the case.

However, Macs with SD card slots make sense. I currently use mine for my Mac OS X Restore Disc. Apple made it very easy to use Disk Utility in Snow Leopard to copy the DVD to an SD Card.
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Perfect, thanks. Cost almost as much to ship as to buy.

Given the delicacy of those camera micro usb connectors and the relatively large lever afforded by an adapter like that, I would consider getting a short male micro to male USB A cable (like this guy and then a female to female USB A gender changer.

At a buck a piece might even come out cheaper than the adapter.
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post #111 of 126
Essentially my original plan, but using the original cable that came with the camera. I am a bit wary of the large adapter, at least from the standpoint of whether the bulky end will fit into the fairly restricted location of the camera's USB port.
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Given the delicacy of those camera micro usb connectors and the relatively large lever afforded by an adapter like that, I would consider getting a short male micro to male USB A cable (like this guy and then a female to female USB A gender changer.

At a buck a piece might even come out cheaper than the adapter.

You make a good point. Micro- and Mini-USB are pretty finicky so having a malable cable connecting to it may be smart.

He already has the cable for his camera, the point was minimize the extra by replacing the cable for an adapter, so all he'll need is the USB-A(f)-to-USB-A(f) adapter.
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Essentially my original plan, but using the original cable that came with the camera. I am a bit wary of the large adapter, at least from the standpoint of whether the bulky end will fit into the fairly restricted location of the camera's USB port.

Yeah, if it's in its little well like most of them, you probably wouldn't be able to get a good socket-- which is even worse for the errant tap exerting enough lateral force to break something.

From working with countless adapters and dongles and doohickies over the years, I almost never use an adapter/barrel if I can get a short cable, and if at all possible I try to get one with a right angle termination to minimize the cantilever and rotational stress on whatever I'm plugging into.

Most electronic makers don't reinforce the connector to the chassis of the device at all, relying on the solder points to the pc board to keep things in place --which means that it really doesn't take much to crack a contact point. In my experience a lot of CE gear failure can be traced to dead I/O ports done in in just this way.
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post #114 of 126
Kind of goes right back to the Apple kit, or someone else supplying a 30 pin to male micro-USB cable. Probably nobody does that now (I've seen 30 pin to mini-USB for chargers), but not micro.
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For those of you requesting an extra connector or slot on the iPad, what about the simple elegance of something like this?



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FORWARD LOOKING means realizing that virtually every digital camera ever make (except maybe the Apple QuickTake in 1992) has a USB port. You would use the USB port to transfer the data. That's a lot more convenient than taking the memory card out of the camera all the time, anyway. It doesn't matter whether you have SD, CF or any other memory card format. Plus, when some camera manufacturer comes out with a new memory card format next year, your iPad doesn't become obsolete. The alternative would be to have slots for half a dozen (or more) different memory formats to suit everyone. Plus, it would still become obsolete when a new format comes out.

This is just a silly argument.

In the industry, that's called "backward compatibility" when you support something that isn't being actively developed in the future, like xD and for the most part, Memory Stick. The fact that you choose to ignore is that camera makers are standardizing on one format. The flash memory format war is over. If you think that SD is going to be replaced by some new, mythical card format in the near future, you're deluded. There will be further evolution of SD, like SDXC, but by the time that's commonplace, we'll be ready for the new 5th gen iPads. The only exceptions are a few cameras designed for pros and pro wannabes who want CF for its greater speed (unnecessary for consumer cameras, even those doing 1080i video recording), supposedly greater ruggedness and the larger form factor that allows easier handling and less risk of dropping with pros who swap cards often. But the advantages are often unrealized with wannabes, who likewise often just stick with one lens on their DSLR.

Again, answer me this: Why is it when Apple restricts choice on something like Flash, you're fine with it, but when you think they don't restrict choice with media cards, you don't complain? Since Apple isn't the one that needs to develop the Flash plug-in, why can't they be "forward-looking" and allow backward compatibility for Flash websites?
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There was a report that the Apple Store was down early this morning. Wonder if it had anything to do with the report just read on Hardmac @

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2010/03/...g-based-attack

that the Apple Store was a target of a phishing attack. Use caution if you get an email regarding your order.
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There was a report that the Apple Store was down early this morning. Wonder if it had anything to do with the report just read on Hardmac @

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2010/03/...g-based-attack

that the Apple Store was a target of a phishing attack. Use caution if you get an email regarding your order.

I'd doubt it. The phishing was email-based and has no barring on the store itself. The user would have to make an error and go to the false site from their email.. Plus, the Saturday night/Sunday morning store maintenance has plenty of precedence.


PS: I understand bringing the store down to generate free press on the internets when new product has arrived, but I don't understand why routine maintenance requires the store to come down. It's not like it's a single AS/400* on the backend.

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I'd doubt it. The phishing was email-based and has no barring on the store itself, but user error. Plus, the Saturday night/Sunday morning store maintenance has plenty of precedence.


PS: I understand bringing the store down to generate free press on the internets when new product has arrived but I understand why routine maintenance requires the store to come down. It's not like it's a single AS/400* on the backend.

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Good to know, thanks.
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Oh, really? Moot, huh? You don't think a 6x4x3" camera is bulky? That a camera that costs over $1000 with basic lens isn't for professionals or people who have fantasies of doing "serious photography," the so-called prosumers?

Look, there is more to life than just SD, and the people using such slots are more than likely going to be in the minority anyway. I have no problem with Apple having only the dock connector on the iPad - it won't slow it down one bit for me, nor the millions of others that will buy it. So all this angst over a slot that is, in the grand scheme of things, wholly inconsequential, is rather boring.
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