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post #41 of 173
3/29/10 at 11:08am
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I'm sure it will. Macs ALWAYS just work.

Not only Macs but iPads, AppleTVs, and Magic Mouse- ANYTHING by Apple justs works!
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post #42 of 173
3/29/10 at 11:13am
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In case anyone was wondering where the OS's OGL support was at now:



Here's the program, also.

So, its just shy of OGL3.0 compliant.
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post #43 of 173
3/29/10 at 11:23am
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Could you elaborate?

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What do you mean REMAINS broken? Preview is one feature I rely on and use on an hourly basis and I have never found it to be lacking. Pray tell.

Sure, I've mentioned this several times before.

The search function in Leopard Preview was fast and accurate. The search function in Snow Leopard Preview is very, very slow and inaccurate. I estimate that it takes roughly ten times longer to search a PDF in Snow Leopard, and it still misses words that are found in Leopard Preview, and even more frustratingly, are found by Spotlight, so you know they're in the document. If you search a lot of big PDFs in Preview (as I do) you'll find that it builds up an index file which can grow quickly to many gigabytes, and when it does, makes the search process even slower. The only solution is to trash it when it gets completely awful. Then it goes back to just being really bad.

Apple also deleted the previously very useful feature in Leopard that automatically highlighted words in PDFs that you'd searched for in Spotlight. Now the search has to be started manually in Preview. Then you wait, wait, wait -- and still Preview doesn't always find the word.

I don't know what Apple was trying to accomplish in Snow Leopard Preview, but they took something really nice and functional and turned it into a world of hurt.
Please don't be insane.
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post #44 of 173
3/29/10 at 11:23am
does this update force you to install itunes 9.0.3?
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post #45 of 173
3/29/10 at 11:24am
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So, its just shy of OGL3.0 compliant.

Any bets on the OpenGL aspects Apple will improve upon in 10.6.4?
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post #46 of 173
3/29/10 at 11:40am
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Any bets on the OpenGL aspects Apple will improve upon in 10.6.4?

Once we see what happens with Valve and Steam for Mac, in addition to most Source Engine games having a good potential for ending up on the Mac (and if rumor becomes truth, some DICE games (like Battlefield Bad Company 2), OpenGL and gaming may get far better treatment from Apple than it did in the past.
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post #47 of 173
3/29/10 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by Jerseymac View Post

I wiped the HD and did a clean install so there should be no need to create any new accounts or delete any preference files. They should all be clean and new right?

Just simply install the OS and reinstall all your Apple programs. Everything will work perfectly.
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post #48 of 173
3/29/10 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post


I don't know what Apple was trying to accomplish in Snow Leopard Preview, but they took something really nice and functional and turned it into a world of hurt.

Don't worry, they always fix this stuff. Once they do, it well be better than anyone could even imagine!
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post #49 of 173
3/29/10 at 11:46am
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SNIP
Date and Time fixes provided for:
Daylight Saving Time rules to reflect recent changes in areas including Argentina, Fiji, Pakistan, and Antarctica.

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I wonder how many users are affected by problems with daylight savings settings in antarctica?
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post #50 of 173
3/29/10 at 11:48am
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Stop downloading the update!
Mine takes too long ...

ROFL best one all day!
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post #51 of 173
3/29/10 at 11:56am
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Hope it fixes my machine or I have to downgrade to plain old Leopard. Don't want to but my iLife apps and dictionary keep quitting unexpectedly. Also downloads folder keeps vanishing from dock, date in iCal icon in dock is always a day behind, can't email a picture and then empty the trash without closing mail first. Several other little bugs.

Hope it works.

Well I hope it works too. In your case though I have to wonder if you have other issues as Snow Leopard was a big step forward for me. Networking became much more reliable on SL and many otherthings just seemed to work much better.

That isn't to say SL doesn't have problems just that I've found it to in general be a big improvement over Leopard.
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post #52 of 173
3/29/10 at 12:05pm
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Hope it fixes my machine or I have to downgrade to plain old Leopard. Don't want to but my iLife apps and dictionary keep quitting unexpectedly. Also downloads folder keeps vanishing from dock, date in iCal icon in dock is always a day behind, can't email a picture and then empty the trash without closing mail first. Several other little bugs.

Wow! You have issues... Other than the weird iCal icon showing the wrong date (only when it isn't running), SL hasn't given me any of those problems on my Mac mini or my MacBook Air. Maybe you should take it to an Apple Store. Those really don't seem like normal issues...
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post #53 of 173
3/29/10 at 12:26pm
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The symptoms I have are all over the internet forums. I would expect everyone at the AI forum to tell me they have never heard of such problems because I suspect that admitting you have a computer problem is like asking for directions at a gas station. I'm not lost honey! It's a shortcut!

Stop being such an ass, people respond the way they do because they don't have the issues you describe. There could be many reasons for that, but shutting off communications by rejecting the comments of others will do nothing for you.
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I wiped the HD and did a clean install so there should be no need to create any new accounts or delete any preference files. They should all be clean and new right?

Yes they should be!
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I have to go to work now so I will play with my Mac later. All I can say is that before upgrading I never had any issues, so I think hardware issues are unlikely. With plain Leopard everything worked perfectly. Gosh, now I sound like an AI forum poster!

Sadly I also have to go to work soon. I'm not sure if I will get the update installed before then. Still I have to believe your opinion of Leopard is misplaced as I had serious problems with that release, all of which where fixed in SL. As far as things like dictionary crashing that has not happened to me. More importantly why would you get worked up over a dictionary crash here and there?
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Thanks for your good wishes.

All I can say is best of luck with this update! If afterwards you still have problems post info with specifics so we will know your problems when we see them. Also it looks like Apple is adding more reporting tools to Snow Leopard so it may pay to run the update to give Apple some debugging info.


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post #54 of 173
3/29/10 at 12:28pm
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Not only Macs but iPads, AppleTVs, and Magic Mouse- ANYTHING by Apple justs works!

Except when it doesn't.
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post #55 of 173
3/29/10 at 12:30pm
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I wonder how many users are affected by problems with daylight savings settings in antarctica?

It was so bad that the penguins were about to switch to Windows 7.
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post #56 of 173
3/29/10 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by Knunez View Post

for some reason my update is 757MB. Maybe I have more updates? It's weird. Here's a link to the screenshot: http://bit.ly/cAPu2n

Perhaps, but so remember that the OS updates from software update are tailored for your machine.

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Any bets on the OpenGL aspects Apple will improve upon in 10.6.4?

Fingers crossed. I hope so and that they're actually taking OpenGL seriously now.
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post #57 of 173
3/29/10 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

QT X likely uses Grand Central and we all know splitting up a small job to many cores is actually slower than doing it on one core.

Likely the time savings come into play with bigger files.

Ha ha! I don't know if you meant that to be funny, but that is a good one! Grand central does suck.
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post #58 of 173
3/29/10 at 12:39pm
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post #59 of 173
3/29/10 at 12:41pm
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I'm not. I've been using both QT7 and QTX with SL since QTX was first released in the Betas. I have never had it take 30x as long as since SL was officially released QTX has been faster for encoding than QT7 ever was or could be due to HW acceleration. I use QTX often, nearly daily, for cropping video and only use QT7 now if I need to quickly join a few.

What are the specs of your system? Perhaps you are re-encoding with QTX but only changing out the container for .MOV in QT7 when saving.. That would explain the variance.

I just did a Save As QucikTime Movie in both versions with a 250MB 1080p music video. It took me 19secs in QT7 and 15secs in QTX. That is just for a container change from MP4 to MOV while keeping the same codecs.

I'll get the specifics for you tonight when I'm at my machine, but I'm talking about simply choosing "save as" from the File menu once a 1080p QuickTime has finished loading via a .qtl wrapper from Yahoo Movies or Apple dot com. I'm on a first-generation Unibody Macbook Pro; I'll include stopwatch times tonight, before and after the update.
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post #60 of 173
3/29/10 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

Sure, I've mentioned this several times before.

The search function in Leopard Preview was fast and accurate. The search function in Snow Leopard Preview is very, very slow and inaccurate. I estimate that it takes roughly ten times longer to search a PDF in Snow Leopard, and it still misses words that are found in Leopard Preview, and even more frustratingly, are found by Spotlight, so you know they're in the document. If you search a lot of big PDFs in Preview (as I do) you'll find that it builds up an index file which can grow quickly to many gigabytes, and when it does, makes the search process even slower. The only solution is to trash it when it gets completely awful. Then it goes back to just being really bad.

Apple also deleted the previously very useful feature in Leopard that automatically highlighted words in PDFs that you'd searched for in Spotlight. Now the search has to be started manually in Preview. Then you wait, wait, wait -- and still Preview doesn't always find the word.

I don't know what Apple was trying to accomplish in Snow Leopard Preview, but they took something really nice and functional and turned it into a world of hurt.

Mine is working beautifully. Virtually instantaneous and perfect.
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post #61 of 173
3/29/10 at 12:48pm
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Hope it fixes my machine or I have to downgrade to plain old Leopard. Don't want to but my iLife apps and dictionary keep quitting unexpectedly. Also downloads folder keeps vanishing from dock, date in iCal icon in dock is always a day behind, can't email a picture and then empty the trash without closing mail first. Several other little bugs.

Hope it works.

Definitely not normal issues, an update isn't going to fix that. I'd highly recommend creating a new account that is an admin, run disk utility & permissions repair from that account, download & install latest combo update, then make sure that if you have the date & time sync settings set that it is determining the correct location for you.

All those issues you describe are not typical except I also have noticed that you can't empty try without closing e-mail if you have sent a picture to someone. Hopefully that is fixed with this update.
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post #62 of 173
3/29/10 at 12:50pm
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Not only Macs but iPads, AppleTVs, and Magic Mouse- ANYTHING by Apple justs works!

Techstud, what part of being BANNED eludes you? G.O. A.W.A.Y. and troll somewhere else.
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post #63 of 173
3/29/10 at 12:59pm
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Techstud, what part of being BANNED eludes you? G.O. A.W.A.Y. and troll somewhere else.

I'm going to have to ask you to leave mr. ballmer alone.
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post #64 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:00pm
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Apple - when will you PUT BACK the ability to "search multiple/specific Drives" ?

You know - like we were able to do in 10.4 - search Drives A and C, but not Drive B, dig ?

Apple - why did you take away a "feature" ?

When will it return ?

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BC
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post #65 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:03pm
It seems Snow Leopard starts to be ready for release. Oh wait....
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post #66 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by BC Kelly View Post

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Apple - when will you PUT BACK the ability to "search multiple/specific Drives" ?

You know - like we were able to do in 10.4 - search Drives A and C, but not Drive B, dig ?

Apple - why did you take away a "feature" ?

When will it return ?

.

BC

Except this site is not Apple. IF you really want Apple to hear you, why don't you post a bug/feature request at

http://bugreport.apple.com

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post #67 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:13pm
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The symptoms I have are all over the internet forums. I would expect everyone at the AI forum to tell me they have never heard of such problems because I suspect that admitting you have a computer problem is like asking for directions at a gas station. I'm not lost honey! It's a shortcut!

I wiped the HD and did a clean install so there should be no need to create any new accounts or delete any preference files. They should all be clean and new right?

I have to go to work now so I will play with my Mac later. All I can say is that before upgrading I never had any issues, so I think hardware issues are unlikely. With plain Leopard everything worked perfectly. Gosh, now I sound like an AI forum poster!

Thanks for your good wishes.

Crap! He's found us out...
All right! Yes! I admit it. We all have this problem. We just don't want to admit it. Well I'm breaking out here. (even though my life will now be at risk) I am saying it anyway; WE ALL HAVE YOUR PROBLEM.
(wow that feels good to confess)
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post #68 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:13pm
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That's really interesting. I was sure my 8600M GT needed a driver update to take advantage of anything more than 2.1 because I kept failing the 3.1 test so I thought the extensions were there but just couldn't be used. I guess the driver was included in the update.

So we should take this all to mean that OpenGL 3.0 didn't QUITE make it in, huh?

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post #69 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:13pm
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Hope it fixes my machine or I have to downgrade to plain old Leopard. Don't want to but my iLife apps and dictionary keep quitting unexpectedly. Also downloads folder keeps vanishing from dock, date in iCal icon in dock is always a day behind, can't email a picture and then empty the trash without closing mail first. Several other little bugs.

Hope it works.

Funny. I've experienced all these issues too. I'm not prepared to ditch Snow Leopard because of them though. I think that's mainly because they can easily remedied (eg; removing iCal from the Dock then replacing it makes it display the correct date). The annoying thing is they'll creep back again and again. Very annoying. Hope it's fixed with this update.
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post #70 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:15pm
Update went fine.

One thing, though: the Colour profile for OS X was reset. I can't remember what I had it on - ColorMatch or Generic RGB or Adobe RGB 1998.

Which profile is best (or intended) for Snow Leopard?
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3/29/10 at 1:18pm
Has anyone heard about any updates unlocking the 64bit kernel for most machines. I have an imac 7,1 that has 64bit efi and cpu and snow leopard always boots 32bit kernel and can't be forced into 64bits. I heard the next couple updates would unlock them once new 64bit drivers became available. Just wondering if anyone has had any luck getting their system to boot in full 64bits after this update?
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post #72 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:18pm
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i wonder how many users are affected by problems with daylight savings settings in antarctica?

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3/29/10 at 1:22pm
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Has anyone heard about any updates unlocking the 64bit kernel for most machines. I have an imac 7,1 that has 64bit efi and cpu and snow leopard always boots 32bit kernel and can't be forced into 64bits. I heard the next couple updates would unlock them once new 64bit drivers became available. Just wondering if anyone has had any luck getting their system to boot in full 64bits after this update?

Have you tried this?

http://www.ahatfullofsky.comuv.com/E...s/SMS/SMS.html
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post #74 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:38pm
Well, JerseyMac, you might want to bust open the Console.app and see what is actually causing the crashes.
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post #75 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:42pm
Yes I have tried every hack or app there is. This app says that my system is 100% able to run 64bit kernel but is currently locked by apple to boot into 32bit mode. right now there are only eight model number macs that will boot into 64bit kernel. Supposedly they are going to unlock more of them via software updates. the next OS won't be 32bit at all so they better get to it otherwise my computer which is only 3 years old will not run 10.7


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Have you tried this?

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post #76 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:44pm
No new driver models listed in the update like the ATI 5000 series but there are references to Fermi. That could mean the upcoming Mac Pro update will have a BTO option for the latest Fermi GT300, which can actually run C++ code and has 512 CUDA/OpenCL cores. That would be a nice machine having a GT300 paired with a 12-core Xeon. Expensive but nice.

There are references to dynamic and glitchless graphics switching in the GPU power management drivers too. Looks like it points to the MacbookPro5 series - the unibody with the 9600M GT + 9400M. Does this still require a logout? Could also refer to NVidia Optimus powering down the external to jump to the internal integrated GPU.

There's an update to the filesystem drivers too and there are write commands in the NTFS one. Are NTFS volumes still read-only?

Certainly no hint of a MBP release tomorrow. Given that the iPad is out on Saturday, next week would probably be a better time to introduce a MBP update.
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post #77 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:44pm
Here's an overview of the new Data Collection feature.

- It is opt in, reports are not submitted to Apple without your consent
- Data Collection can be configured in Console utility
- Apple is collecting information about your OS version, Apple and third-party application versions, and hardware
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post #78 of 173
3/29/10 at 1:45pm
im seeing big improvements to Safari and QuickTime, very nice..
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post #79 of 173
3/29/10 at 2:01pm
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Here's an overview of the new Data Collection feature.

- It is opt in, reports are not submitted to Apple without your consent
- Data Collection can be configured in Console utility
- Apple is collecting information about your OS version, Apple and third-party application versions, and hardware

Aha! Thank you.

Just to add a bit . . .

TO OPT OUT:

Open the Console. Go into Console Preferences.

Then uncheck "Automatically send diagnostic and date usage . . ."

(Nice catch, orion.)
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3/29/10 at 2:11pm
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New.......MacBook........Pros..........waiting.... .....forever.........
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I know Apple never does anything typical, but typically the company announces updates to its hardware products on Tuesdays.
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